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Formula 1 2012: Round 14 - Singapore Grand Prix

  • 19-09-2012 1:37pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,285 ✭✭✭✭


    Roman Grosjean is back from his one race ban.

    Mercedes to use new exhaust.

    Lotus to use new rear wing and floor.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    The Singapore Grand Prix has quickly established itself as a favourite amongst the F1 paddock with many drivers calling it the race they look forward to most.

    Racing during the night offered plenty of challenges to the teams in the inaugural race in the city state but since then their practices have been honed and adapting to the challenges has been perfected. Even so the prospect of racing under the lights is still one that offers fans a tremendous prospect to see how a Formula 1 car woks.

    The flames spitting from exhausts are visible, the sparks shower from the underbody of the car as it bounces from one bump to another and the challenging street layout offers drivers little margin for error.

    The Marina Bay Circuit
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    Singapore may be the smallest country in South East Asia but its organisers had big ideas when they were confirmed as a host to Formula 1 five years ago. The first race, in 2008, was to be a historic occasion for Formula 1 with Marina Bay hosting the first night race in the history of the sport and since then the race has been a key feature of the F1 season.

    The Singapore circuit echoes more towards the Indy Car style street circuits rather than the challenges of Monaco but its unique characteristics offer a tremendous challenge for drivers.

    Reigning champion, Sebastian Vettel, has struggled for consistency at times in 2012 with the dominant Red Bull of recent years now being relegated to merely a front running car. The German however has always been strong in Singapore and a repeat of last year’s is crucial for him championship hopes.
    Even during his Toro Rosso tenure Vettel has had strong races in Singapore and the double world champion clearly enjoys driving at Marina Bay:

    "Singapore is one of the highlights on the calendar, because the atmosphere of a night race is amazing,” said Vettel. “I also like it because the track is really great to race on - which is partly to do with the fact that we race anticlockwise there. Singapore is a fascinating city to visit and everything seems to be extremely clean and tidy. We all stay on European time for the weekend and because the race doesn't start until 8pm, most of the drivers tend to get up around 2pm – it's pretty unusual."

    The track surface is low grip as a result of being public roads and having to deal with the everyday dust and grime from everyday road users and as a result the grip level changes immensely as the weekend progresses. The track consistently improves and gets faster as more rubber is laid down.

    Strategy and fortune will play a key role

    This weekend’s race in Singapore promises to be one of the most difficult of the season from a strategic perspective. The simple reason for this is that team’s have to think on their feet.

    At every race on the calendar teams have a clearly thought strategy that they know will put them in the best position to win the race. Team strategists look to play the same role of a card shark. They count the cards by studying the form throughout the weekend and take into account past patterns….at Singapore however the deck of cards is stacked against them.

    The City State legalised gambling only within the last three years and have moved to be the world’s second largest gaming hotspot in the world. The house always wins on the blackjack tables, the roulette wheel and on the slot machines but no deck is more loaded than the Singapore Grand Prix.

    The Marina Bay Circuit offers a combination of challenges to teams with the track surface gradually cleaned throughout the weekend offering vastly different characteristics at the start of the weekend to the end of the race.

    The nature of the track layout also offers challenges to teams and drivers with the rear tyres receiving the brunt of wear due to the constant accelerating and braking throughout the lap. As a result it is very easy to overheat the rear tyres while conversely with all corners seeing relatively low apex speeds it is quite difficult for drivers to “load” the front tyres and generate sufficient heat to get the front tyres into their optimum operating window.

    With the Singapore Grand Prix set to last for just under two hours, the longest race of the year, drivers set off from the grid with the heaviest car they will use all year; approximately 170kg. This places a tremendous strain on the tyres and with the nature of the track already causing extreme wear on the rear tyres it is clear that the opening stint of this Grand Prix could be exceptionally short as drivers are forced to deal with a severe lack of rear grip.

    Last year Sebastian Vettel stopped three times en route to his victory. The German enjoyed the advantages of a dominant car last year but with Formula 1 incredibly competitive this year the chances of one driver enjoying a significant advantage are lessoned.

    With Pirelli bringing their softest two compounds of tyres to this weekend’s race the difficultly facing the drivers is quite high. The heavy fuel, close field and challenging tyres will make it very easy to push too hard too soon and suffer excessive tyre wear. These factors will give the cars that are gentle on their rear tyres a significant advantage.

    Teams such as Sauber, who have shown a great turn of speed at late, be able to take advantage of making one stop less than their opposition and also give themselves an additional strategic fillip will limit the potential of a safety car hampering their pace in the race.

    The possibility of the safety car being deployed is quite high in Singapore with each of the previous races having seen accidents cause the deployment. As a result teams will do their utmost to ensure that they are in a position to make a “free” pitstop under a neutral track. This plays into the hands of the likes of Sauber and Toro Rosso who will do their utmost to make just a single pitstop as they try to move through the order from rows five, six of seven on the gird.

    One of the most surprising elements of races in Singapore has been that once a car gets falls into the midfield it is all but impossible for them to get back to the front of the field, regardless of the speed of their car.

    This was illustrated perfectly by Felipe Massa in 2008. The Ferrari driver set the pace throughout the weekend and he came into the pits for a scheduled stop in the lead but after a disastrous stop that saw him leave the pits with the fuel hose still connected the Brazilian found himself in the midfield and unable to finish better than eighth.

    Due to this difficultly, and the 24s pit time, teams will do their best to limit the amount of time spent in pitlane and will do their best to be as flexible in case the safety car is deployed.
    Balance the key for Singapore setups
    Qualifying is key in Singapore. In the previous five races only Felipe Massa was unable to convert his pole position into a win. The Brazilian dominated the 2008 weekend until his first pitstop when the fuel nozzle jammed in to his car and the championship contender dragged it down the pitlane.

    The incident cost him dearly and he spent the rest of race mired in the midfield. In dirty air he was unable to take advantage of his speed advantage and with the layout of the track not favouring overtaking it was to be race that played a key role in how Massa lost on the world title by the slimmest of margins to Lewis Hamilton.

    Sauber’s head of track engineering, Giampauli Dall’Ara discussed the difficulty facing teams in finding the perfect setup for qualifying so that they can avoid the midfield fight:

    "Singapore is a street circuit with lots of corners and short straights,” said the Italian. “Therefore overtaking is difficult, which makes qualifying particularly important. Good traction is crucial on this stop-and-go track with mainly low speed and just a couple of medium speed corners.

    “In some places the surface is very bumpy - something to bear in mind when setting up the car. You have to keep an eye on the brakes, because they have very little time to cool down between corners. The track surface is not very rough. Pirelli will allocate the supersoft and the soft compounds, which should work well in qualifying, but I don't expect any chance of a one-stop strategy in the race.”


    Mark Gillan, Williams’ head of trackside engineering, made a point of talking about the difficulties that the track places on the car throughout the race:

    “It's a long and physically demanding race for both driver and car,” said Gillan. “The circuit is extremely severe on brakes and due to the hot ambient temperatures we will be required to open the bodywork for engine cooling. Aero wise we run near the maximum down-force level and from a set-up perspective you have to be mindful of the harsh kerbs. Finally the weather is difficult to track in Singapore and heavy rain is always a possibility.”
    Formula 1 revolves around Pirelli tyres
    Pirelli will take their super-soft and soft compound tyres to this weekend’s race and they will, once again, challenge the field to find the best balance between speed and tyre wear.

    The Italian company’s motorsport boss, Paul Hembery, knows the challenge facing his customers this weekend but the Englishman clearly is looking forward to another exciting race:

    "Personally speaking I love the Singapore Grand Prix: it makes for an amazing spectacle at night with a great atmosphere and a fantastic challenge for our tyres,” commented Hembery in the leadup to the Grand Prix.

    “Due to the unusual circumstances in which the race is run, under more than a thousand spotlights, the teams and drivers have to think very hard about strategy - as track conditions and evolution are somewhat different than you would find in a normal daytime race.

    "One factor that could certainly come into play is safety cars: during every single Singapore Grand Prix that has been held so far since 2008 the safety car has come out at some point. This means that strategies have to be flexible as well as effective in order to quickly take advantage of any potential neutralisation. While the humidity is constantly high, it hasn't yet rained in any Singapore Grand Prix so this should be the same again this year and we are likely to see the ultimate performance offered by the two softest slick compounds in our Formula 1 range.

    "Last year's race was won with a three-stop strategy by Sebastian Vettel, but Lewis Hamilton finished fifth after stopping four times and taking a drive-through penalty as well. As average speeds are not very high, degradation should not be an issue if wheelspin is controlled out of the slower corners, which can lead to overheating."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    Cant wait for this weekend's race. First F1 race Im going to since Monaco! Im flying into Singapore on Friday morning so should be able to make the entire weekend....although Ill be wrecked by the end of Friday practice!

    I've lined up an interview with Caterham's Mark Smith so PM me if you have any specific questions that you'd like to ask an F1 technical director and I'll try to work them into the interview.

    As ever I'll try and post a few stories from within the paddock throughout the weekend


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,537 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    The Singapore Grand Prix has quickly established itself as a favourite amongst the F1 paddock with many drivers calling it the race they look forward to most.
    :confused:
    Really? I hate it, one of the worst of the year IMO. Abu Dabai / Valencia in the dark.
    With the Singapore Grand Prix set to last for just under two hours, the longest race of the year, drivers set off from the grid with the heaviest car they will use all year; approximately 170kg. This places a tremendous strain on the tyres and with the nature of the track already causing extreme wear on the rear tyres it is clear that the opening stint of this Grand Prix could be exceptionally short as drivers are forced to deal with a severe lack of rear grip.
    Sounds like a tyre and fuel management session to boot this year too. I can't imagine it'll be worth anything more than 3/10 on Monday's pole.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Grim.


    :confused:
    Really? I hate it, one of the worst of the year IMO. Abu Dabai / Valencia in the dark.
    .

    ah congrats when did you become a member of the F1 paddock?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,537 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Grim. wrote: »
    ah congrats when did you become a member of the F1 paddock?

    :rolleyes:
    ok so they like it and fans don't...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    :rolleyes:
    ok so they like it and fans don't...

    Its F1...I'll take it. Last Sunday wasn't that exciting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    Very heavy shower a couple of hours ago so the track should be pretty wet for the start of FP1. The GP2 guys are out now and in some places a drier line is already emerging


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Rascasse


    Heres a rainfall radar that may come in useful this weekend. Arrow point to the circuit.

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    Also, anyone else think the lights on VET's helmet look like cheap xmas tree lights? I really dont see the point!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭steve_r


    Love the night race but way too much sport this weekend with the all-ireland, liverpool utd and the F1!

    It's a challenge but watching the race in HD is an absolute treat.

    Great preview by Frostie as always, hope you enjoy the race!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,285 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    Who do you want to win the race?

    I'd happily take a Hamilton win. Hopefully he will drive like he did at Monza :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    I can see the finger kid being strong here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭Northern Monkey


    frostie500 wrote: »
    Cant wait for this weekend's race. First F1 race Im going to since Monaco! Im flying into Singapore on Friday morning so should be able to make the entire weekend....although Ill be wrecked by the end of Friday practice!

    I've lined up an interview with Caterham's Mark Smith so PM me if you have any specific questions that you'd like to ask an F1 technical director and I'll try to work them into the interview.

    As ever I'll try and post a few stories from within the paddock throughout the weekend


    I went to this last year and it was amazing, you get so close to the cars compared to a normal circuit.

    Pictures here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,285 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    Hamiltons new helmet:

    208870.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Its quite tight with this, looking like a cracking race.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    Not really too much went on yesterday off the track. The rumours about Lewis are still swirling but Martin Whitmarsh seems pretty relaxed about it all but did say that it wont be resolved until later in the year

    THe new calendar was provisionally released. New Jersey is on the schedule (not sure if that will go ahead) and a few dates have been shifted around. There's a lot of back to back races and Singapore is on the list even though it doesnt have a contract yet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    I wont be able to put up too many photos from the weekend but here's one of Vettel. He was very impressive yesterday, quick from the off but the dangerous thing for the rest of the field was that the Red Bull finally looked like it did for much of last year.

    Seb was able to put the car where he wanted and stamp on the throttle earlier than most. This is from the right-left at the end of the lap and only him and Fernando Alonso were able to carry as much speed through the corner. Button was impressive through here as well but had to really manhandle the car to get it to take the same approach as the Red Bull and Ferrari.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    Alonso wasnt too confident about his chances for the weekend when was speaking after FP2 but from trackside the Ferrari looked to be handling well. Im interested to see how it goes in quali when the fuel load is low
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    The main concern for Ferrari is their race pace. For much of FP2 Alonso and Massa were out together and Fernando never really dropped Felipe....its either encouraging that both were on the limit of their car or else worrying that Alonso wasnt quicker....
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    Merc were in bullish mood after FP1 about their upgrades but by the end of the day it was clear that improvements are still needed to the car
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    No major stories doing the rounds but a few notes from out on track...

    The Ferrari is mega over the kerbs and both Massa and Alonso can put it wherever they want to. At turns 10,11,12-the chicane with the high kerbs-both drivers were monstoring the kerbs and able to flick the car through the much better than everyone else.

    Button wasnt able to do it at the chicane, might have been fuel loads for him at that point, but he was very good from turn 11 all the way to turn 17 and was very aggressive with his steering and throttle inputs. Hamilton was ultra smooth at most of the corners I was standing at....bit of a role reversal for the Macca drivers but Lewis was the same at the other races I was at this weekend.

    Vettel was smooth and quick everywhere but I was actually more impressed by Webber even if he had his off.

    The Lotus looks a handful. Kimi had a few oversteer slides exiting the slower corners and Grosjean seemed to struggle under braking when I saw him.

    Hope this helps with the competition guys....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭Max_Charger


    The super soft panic begins.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    Sauber and Lotus are not as fast this weekend if qualifying is anything to go buy.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭Max_Charger


    Kimi not going to be happy! Cant wait for Q3, Lewis V Seb.

    This place is very quite, where is everyone?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭hawkwind23


    why havent they changed this qualifying set up?
    used to be the highlight of the weekend watching all cars trying to go as fast as they can.
    now its tyre strategy, bit ridiculous for the casual spectator


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    Yes, get in there. The sooner Hamilton resigns for McLaren the better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Rascasse


    Well thats me screwed in the comp.

    Wonder why McLaren didn't Hamilton to abort when it was clear he had pole (and wasn't faster anyway).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭Max_Charger


    recyclebin wrote: »
    The sooner Hamilton resigns for McLaren the better.

    Eh? why's that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭Frankie Lee


    I'd love it if Maldonado was to get the better of Hamilton, unfortunately the pace of the McLaren lately means that this world title is Hamilton's to lose.


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,631 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    I don't think this will be a clear cut race. There will be a few safety cars which will mess up all the strategies!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭Max_Charger


    The look on Seb's face when an interviewer asked Maldonado where that fast lap came from, priceless! :D
    I'm not a fan of Paster but i must admit,credit where it's due, that was some lap from him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,412 ✭✭✭lolie


    Eh? why's that?

    Maybe he meant re-signs not resigns.
    Looks like lewis could run and hide tomorrow, unless himself and pastor get cosy of the startline.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Fantastic showing by Hamilton, back to his best lately & screw the begrudgers, he's an exceptional talent.

    Stunning lap by Maldonado too, should make for an interesting first corner tomorrow though which could play into Vettels hands :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    Eh? why's that?
    Because i'm a Mclaren fan and Mclaren need Hamilton.

    And sorry I meant re-signs and not resigns


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭Max_Charger


    recyclebin wrote: »
    Because i'm a Mclaren fan and Mclaren need Hamilton.

    And sorry I meant re-signs and not resigns

    Ah, you meant re-signs, not resigns, too very different things. I agree with you 100%.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    Gotta say whoever thought a night race was a good idea......
    Im sure it's not too bad if you stay on Euro time but I've been away the last couple of weeks and am seriously wilting by the time we get to the end of the action!
    Even so the quali was really good. Was out on track so I'd say that you all know far more about everything that went on but I've a couple of things worth noting.
    Obviously tyre's are gonna be the key for the race but the one thing that impressed me throughout the weekend has been how easy Maldonado is driving. He isnt pushing the car, he's just letting it glide from turn in to apex and exit.
    He's one of the few drivers that isnt sawing at the wheel which is obviously going to save his tyres well during the race. It's easy to mock him for his mistakes but he's looked legit all weekend....just like he did in Barcelona. Im not saying he'll win it but I wouldnt be surprised to see him challenge. His front row start wasnt luck; he's been building all weekend towards it.
    Vettel was pretty subdued after the session and clearly disappointed with third. It seemed like he was fighting the car more in quali than at other points this weekend. He'll be dangerous tomorrow but it's going to be hard for him to beat Hamilton who has looked very quick all weekend.
    I was surprised to see Alonso down in fifth, and even more so Massa in 13th, given how comfortable the Ferrari looked in FP3....it seems that they fooled me! I still think that they can come good in the race.
    Great Q3 lap from di Resta. With Maldonado on the front row it's crucial that Force India have a good result otherwise they could fall behind in the Constructors table.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,285 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    EnterNow wrote: »
    Fantastic showing by Hamilton, back to his best lately & screw the begrudgers, he's an exceptional talent.

    Stunning lap by Maldonado too, should make for an interesting first corner tomorrow though which could play into Vettels hands :(

    Hamilton was sensational today. Here's hoping he will have a good start like he did at Monza.

    Maldonado did a super job too. I'll be happy if he stays behind Hamilton at the start and keeps Vettel and Alonso behind him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    Lewis is clearly thinking in terms of the dangers placed by Maldonado at the start of the race...."I hope he races for himself but he's aware that he has some championship contenders around him. It's not all or nothing but trying to get a good result for his team - and that will be the same for me."

    The one thing about Pastor is that he has shown what he can do when the opportunity to win presents itself. He was mega in Barcelona even though he was under race long pressure from Alonso. Id be surprised if he forces the issue tomorrow, particularly at the first corner


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    Here's a couple of shots from quali:

    Lewis was superb throughout and while I wasnt surprised to see him take the pole a margin of half a second was a shock! Vettel admitted afterwards that in Q3 he couldnt find the balance for a quick time but that even if it was perfect Lewis' lap would have been hard to beat. This is Hamilton launching over the monster kerbs at turn 10
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    In Q2 Vettel looked well placed to battle for the pole but couldnt get it done in the last ten minutes. He's confident though that tomorrow will be different, “I think the speed is there. We have been competitive throughout the weekend. The race is very long here, a lot of things can happen – safety cars – so it’s important to be in the right place at the right time and then we go from there.” This is Seb in Q1 with a view of City Hall and some of the skyline
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    Fernando Alonso was fifth fastest but was pretty happy afterwards with the fact that he got all he could from the F2012, “Today, pole position was absolutely out of our grasp: Hamilton was on another planet... We must settle for this fifth place but that doesn’t mean we are not hoping to improve on it tomorrow: our target is the podium. The result pretty much matches what we expected"

    I think that in race trim the Ferrari will be a lot more competitive. This shot shows the underbody sparking off the kerbs after Fernando looked to try and shorten the track as much as possible.
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    Here's a couple more shots from the session of Timo Glock and Jean Eric Vergne
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Rascasse


    I'm sure Williams will make very clear to him. Imagine where they would be in the constructors without his DNFs and penalties. He may bring them $$$ but he's costing them serious prize money too.

    Anyway, the left side of the starting grid is meant to be pretty grimey here (street track and all) so unless Hamilton screws up his start Maldonado will be Vettel's problem.

    Frostie, Your photos aren't showing up for me (none have on this thread bar the circuit map). Can anyone else see them? Edit: must be my laptop. Can't see them in Chrome or Safari but can in Firefox.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,285 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    I love that shot of Hamilton with the front-right wheel of his McLaren off the ground.

    You're pic of Alonso going over the kerbs reminds me of watching Grosjean in qualy today. He was monstering the kerbs :eek:

    You get very close to the action there Frostie. I can tell by looking at the photo you took of Glock. Close, really close :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    I expect a pileup at turn 1 tomorrow!

    There's a lot of guys out of position on the grid and given that overtaking is so difficult in Singapore you'd have to imagine one or two drivers putting a wheel down the inside into T1. For what it's worth Pastor said after quali that "overtaking is difficult...but possible" and flashed that devilish smile of his!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    Rascasse wrote: »
    Frostie, Your photos aren't showing up for me (none have on this thread bar the circuit map). Can anyone else see them? Edit: must be my laptop. Can't see them in Chrome or Safari but can in Firefox.
    It might be an issue because Im linking to facebook, I've tried it in a couple of different browsers and made sure to have the album as public so not sure what the problem is!
    Jordan 191 wrote: »
    You get very close to the action there Frostie. I can tell by looking at the photo you took of Glock. Close, really close :D

    Cheers J191! Yeah you can pretty close to the action at a street track, bit different to somewhere like Qatar where it always feels like you're looking out over a desert of gravel traps towards the track!

    It was funny when I was taking the shot of Glock it did scare me a bit! I have a couple more shots from there of Heikki and Webber that I was properly scared when I was shooting! There's a big concrete wall but it's still tough to trust it!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Rascasse


    Has anyone heard anything about tyre strategies? I don't think the BBC mentioned it which is odd considering how key it is here. I'm assuming 3 with some chancing 2.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    Rascasse wrote: »
    Has anyone heard anything about tyre strategies? I don't think the BBC mentioned it which is odd considering how key it is here. I'm assuming 3 with some chancing 2.

    I was actually chatting to a couple of people over the weekend ranging from tyre guys from Pirelli to a couple of engineers. This is probably the biggest lottery of the season as far as tyres are concerned.

    The gap between the option and prime can be as much as 1.5s-1.8s per lap (with so many slow speed corners having the traction under accelerating gives a huge benefit) so even though the option tyre is lasting only about 10 laps it will be used quite a lot through the race, even if it means having to make an extra stop. Of course the penalty for stopping is quite severe in Singapore-longest pit lane of the year and its at a slower speed.

    I would still say however that you'll see a three stop strategy from most of the field with this kind of profile

    stop one-lap 9-11 option
    stop two-lap20-23 option
    stop three-lap 34-37 prime


    If you can make the option tyre last 15 laps, the Saubers and maybe the Force Indias, you could make the two stops work otherwise its three stops all the way out front from what I've seen and the McLarens were really consistent in FP2 when they went on longer runs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Rascasse


    Will be interesting to see if Hamilton's advantage in quali (.5 & 1s over VET & ALO respectively) is the same in the race. It gives him a lot flexibility with strategy if so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,969 ✭✭✭antomorro-sei


    Looking forward to tomorrow. Haven't gotten to see any of the action so far though. Lewis and Pastor at the first corner should be some craic! :pac:

    Cracking photos btw frostie!


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    frostie500 wrote: »
    I would still say however that you'll see a three stop strategy from most of the field with this kind of profile

    stop one-lap 9-11 option
    stop two-lap20-23 option
    stop three-lap 34-37 prime

    As usual track position will probably mean a couple of lads sticking the softs on in an earlier stop and splitting the field.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    As usual track position will probably mean a couple of lads sticking the softs on in an earlier stop and splitting the field.

    No doubt and in fairness at every race we hear how "the tyres are on a knife-edge and we're going to hit the cliff at lap X" and yet once the race starts the drivers are able to work around the limitations.

    Saying that its a two hour race here so I cant see too many being able to make it one a two stopper. Add in the fact that there are so many drivers locking up at the likes of turn 8, 13 and 20 and its easy to see why it will be tough on tyres

    Should be a good race one way or another!


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    frostie500 wrote: »
    No doubt and in fairness at every race we hear how "the tyres are on a knife-edge and we're going to hit the cliff at lap X" and yet once the race starts the drivers are able to work around the limitations.

    Saying that its a two hour race here so I cant see too many being able to make it one a two stopper. Add in the fact that there are so many drivers locking up at the likes of turn 8, 13 and 20 and its easy to see why it will be tough on tyres

    Should be a good race one way or another!

    I didn't say it would work. :pac: Just meant after each main window there'll like be a couple of trains and a load of people will have their races ruined. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭Max_Charger


    Lewis away clean thank christ, JB up to 3rd


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If Button can get an extra 2-3 laps on these tyres he could be a dark horse, Seb and Lewis flying away.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 15,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭rebel girl 15


    Massa had a puncture


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