Unpopular MMA Opinions

MrStuffins

Having seen these threads on other forums around Boards they always seem to inspire a bit of debate. So I thought i'd start one here.

I'll kick it off with a couple of mine:

Jon Jones is not a c*nt!
I understand why people are rubbed the wrong way by his attitude, but I like him.

Greg Jackson is NOT ruining MMA. And even if he IS tellling his fighters to go out and not take risks, I don't see a lot wrong with telling your fighters to be safe within the game plan. it's not exciting, but pffft!

Georges St Pierre is a better fighter than Anderson Silva and will beat him if they ever fight.

Junior Dos Santos has done nothing to deserve all of the plaudits he gets. If you ranked all of the UFC Champions in a P4P list, i'd have him dead last.... by a mile!

The Ultimate Fighter should be scrapped and replaced by a "TUF: The Comeback" every 1 or 2 years.

cowzerp

Jon Jones is not a c*nt!
I understand why people are rubbed the wrong way by his attitude, but I like him.

He done what he felt was right for him, personally i think it was sad and he basically bottled fighting a lighter fighter who would not be 100% but it's his career.

Greg Jackson is NOT ruining MMA. And even if he IS tellling his fighters to go out and not take risks, I don't see a lot wrong with telling your fighters to be safe within the game plan. it's not exciting, but pffft!

For spectators he certainly is, For fighters he is showing them what works and it cant be argued with most the time

Georges St Pierre is a better fighter than Anderson Silva and will beat him if they ever fight.

I agree

Junior Dos Santos has done nothing to deserve all of the plaudits he gets. If you ranked all of the UFC Champions in a P4P list, i'd have him dead last.... by a mile!

Strongly disagree, I cant think of 1 that would definitely beat him, of course some might but he'd be favourite against pretty much any UFC heavyweight there has been, someone like Randy may have made life hard but probably would have got sparked

The Ultimate Fighter should be scrapped and replaced by a "TUF: The Comeback" every 1 or 2 years.

Good idea if you mean it should be scrapped every 2 years, but its' great tool for the UFC for making average fighters household names

MrStuffins

cowzerp wrote: »

Junior Dos Santos has done nothing to deserve all of the plaudits he gets. If you ranked all of the UFC Champions in a P4P list, i'd have him dead last.... by a mile!

Strongly disagree, I cant think of 1 that would definitely beat him, of course some might but he'd be favourite against pretty much any UFC heavyweight there has been, someone like Randy may have made life hard but probably would have got sparked

Sorry, I meant the current UFC Champions, not past HW Champs. I agree he'd beat most of the former HW Champs.

The Ultimate Fighter should be scrapped and replaced by a "TUF: The Comeback" every 1 or 2 years.

Good idea if you mean it should be scrapped every 2 years, but its' great tool for the UFC for making average fighters household names

True but from the viewers POV it's a stale format and the talent pool becomes ever diluted. Comeback series would be great if they were kept far away from each other. Everyone loves a Rocky story.

Jason McCabe

MMA is not the fastest growing sport in the world

MrStuffins

Jason McCabe wrote: »

MMA is not the fastest growing sport in the world

I read an article recently which compared data from all of the major sports in the US and it had figured that MMA actually IS the fastest growing sport.

However, if you include ALL sports (Major and Minor) the fastest growing sport is competitive eating.

(Obviously the athletes are growing pretty fast too)

Jason McCabe

Mma - the fasted growing major sport in the US ( not the world actually)

MrStuffins

Jason McCabe wrote: »

Mma - the fasted growing major sport in the US ( not the world actually)

Yup, pretty much. In fact I think the data in the article was about just UFC too and comparing them to the other top leagues. Doesn't take into account "grass roots" level if you get me.

Just out of interest, do you know for a fact what IS the fastest growing sport?

cowzerp

Jason McCabe wrote: »

Mma - the fasted growing major sport in the US ( not the world actually)

even that's most likely false, Small sports natural grow much faster % wise, when it was a tiny sport it was growing very fast, now i would say it is a slow growing sport % wise, It annoys the hell out of me when I hear the likes of Joe Rogan still using this BS claim..

unknown13

MrStuffins wrote: »

The Ultimate Fighter should be scrapped and replaced by a "TUF: The Comeback" every 1 or 2 years.

I absolutely 100% agree with this opinion. TUF has gone stale and produced some right shít champions such Escoduero, Brookins, Grove, Sadollah & Danzig,

El Guapo!

Dana White is bad for the sport.

Nick Diaz is overrated.

Brock Lesnar should not be inducted into the hall of fame.

And I agree fully, GSP can beat Silva.

unknown13

MMA is not as popular in the UK and Ireland as it once was.

Zuffa in the long run are terrible for the sport.

MrStuffins

Dean09 wrote: »

Dana White is bad for the sport.

How so?

Nick Diaz is overrated.

Really good fighter but not the world beater he was being sold as. Although of anyone he is the one who COULD beat GSP simply because he has a different skill set to the other contenders.

Brock Lesnar should not be inducted into the hall of fame.

I think only Paul Heyman would disagree with this!

unknown13 wrote: »

Zuffa in the long run are terrible for the sport.

How so?

unknown13

MrStuffins wrote: »

How so?

They have no real structure below them for up and coming fighters who aren't at UFC level yet. They have no development promotions, which they own. If they want to get the cream of the crop, they surely have invest in developing fighters that will produce them PPV numbers.

TUF is not that, Zuffa owned promotions are.

Jason McCabe

Running an MMA show will make you money

Running an MMA gym will make you rich. I can tell you for a fact I earn nearly 6 times less than I did 5 years ago

El Guapo!

MrStuffins wrote: »

Dean09 wrote: »

Dana White is bad for the sport.

How so?

I used to like his "take no shít, tell it like it is" attitude, but lately his foul-mouthed rants such as the one against Jones and Greg Jackson really annoyed me.
If someone was an outsider, new to the sport, looking in and the first thing they see is the so-called president going off on one against the champion and his team.......it doesn't look well.
It should look like a professional organisation and having White as the face of it is a bad look for it.
What are people supposed to think when there's a meathead going off on rants, as the President of an organisation.

Sorry if my post makes little sense but I'm out at the minute and on the mobile so bear with me!

Chavways

The UFC was more exciting 2-3 years ago than it is now

darced

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El Guapo!

darced wrote: »

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Couldn't disagree more.

cowzerp

darced wrote: »

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I have no doubt that Ireland will produce UFC stars, all we need is experience and that's what we are doing now-it's coming and in 20 years there will be several Irish challenging in the UFC

Buffer is a bit embarrassing but I like him, poor mans Michael buffer.

reganreggie

Nobody gives a f*ck about about the ring girls

SureYWouldntYa

Lesnar should be in HOF

Silva would destroy GSP

Chavways

reganreggie wrote: »

Nobody gives a f*ck about about the ring girls

Take that back.

unknown13

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

Silva would destroy GSP

How is that an unpopular mma opinion ? because someone clearly hasn't seen the thread directly relating to the topic in which Silva is the clear leader in the poll with the majority picking him by TKO / KO

Chavways wrote: »

The UFC was more exciting 2-3 years ago than it is now

Your right, you wouldn't see UFC having that bad of spell 2-3 years ago, there was some good fights on back then. Since then Zuffa have just killed the sport. Its still watchable but there is few fights now that get my attention that much compared to 2-3 years ago. Also, 2-3 years ago I would have MMA over Boxing the vast majority of the time. Now, Boxing comes first because the better fights are in boxing and there much less frequent aswell.

Jason McCabe

Japaneses are not best martial artists like in TV world

T-K-O

Dana will eventually hold the UFC back - You cant have a Vince McMahon type character controlling a company that desperately wants to appeal to the gen pop.

GSP is not a better fighter than Silva. Of course he could beat Silva but he is not as talented. GSP will not be able to man handle a guy of Silva's size

John Ferguson

Chavways wrote: »

The UFC was more exciting 2-3 years ago than it is now

I think this might be because there was much less of it to watch back then, there was more of a sense of occasion in many ways. Sometimes I think it has gone a little into over kill now with the number of events

cowzerp

And the dilution of talent.

MrStuffins

Also, you had big stars with big rivallries. Remember the excitements you got from the build up to Randy v Chuck, Chuck v Tito, Randy v Tito, Penn v Hughes, Penn v Pulver etc.

We don't have them anymore. Silva v Sonnen is about it. Even Jones v Evans was just 2 lads acting like children.

I think, even though there ARE stars now, there's a serious lack of popular poster boys. The champs of the lower weight classes are relevant newcomers to the conciousness of the "casual fan" so you can forgive that. But just look at GSP, Silva, Jones........ these guys are almost universally disliked.

People loved Randy & Chuck and those who hated Tito only hated him in a kinda Pro Wrestling way, not the same way people dislike the current lads.

John Ferguson

cowzerp wrote: »

And the dilution of talent.

Totally agree!!

The problem arises because they simply need more bodies to fill the cards to meet the commercial commitments they have undertaken. It's interesting to watch how it continues to unfold from my from my point of view as I don't see it changing any time soon. In fact I see it getting worse if anything as the UFC further expands into more new territories.

Maybe the UFC fans in this debate can give their opinion on whether or not the watch events just because its UFC or is it only certain fights that will draw them to the TV set or arena.

The reason I ask the above question is that I have long been of the opinion that the brand is in many ways of secondary importance in real terms, I reckon that fans come to CC or UFC or others to watch fights that have interest for them (that interest could be as simple as "My mate is fighting").

I would be pretty confident that if I dropped the CC name tomorrow (not that I am planning to before anybody asks) I would still fill arenas and get decent broadcast viewing figures as what we do is pretty much based around the personality of the fighter rather than the personality of the brand

unknown13

John Ferguson wrote: »

I think this might be because there was much less of it to watch back then, there was more of a sense of occasion in many ways. Sometimes I think it has gone a little into over kill now with the number of events

Sure you only have to look at the event threads here 2-3 years ago. The volume of traffic 2-3 years ago was a hell of a lot higher than it currently is for event threads. Didn't a few threads back then exceed 1000 posts.

Turtyturd

unknown13 wrote: »

Sure you only have to look at the event threads here 2-3 years ago. The volume of traffic 2-3 years ago was a hell of a lot higher than it currently is for event threads. Didn't a few threads back then exceed 1000 posts.

I think that's more to do with over saturation though, 2-3 years ago you generally had a UFC fight card every month, as it is now it appears that there is one happening every week. This cuts down on the anticipation for the big fights because you have so many others in between. I remember looking forward to the GSP/BJ rematch for what seemed like ages, it was also one of the first fights to have a UFC prime time special, to really create a huge buzz for it. Even the fact that there was a card over here 2 weeks before it didn't affect the hype because it wasn't a regular thing, the norm for casual fans was ppv followed by 4-5 weeks of withdrawals waiting for the next ppv. It's impossible to get that kind of excitement or maintain interest now with weekly cards.

califano

OP do opinions have an amnesty against people getting on all indignant and challenging about such unpopular opinions?.

El Guapo!

Totally agree about the UFC losing its appeal lately. But I'd be willing to bet the UFC don't see any problem there. If you were to put the question to them, they'd come back at you with all these viewership figures and sales figures to illustrate how much the UFC is growing worldwide.

But there is a problem.
The talent pool is highly diluted and in my opinion it needs to be seriously slashed.
Maybe they could use Strikeforce as a kind of breeding ground for talent and use it as a feeder for the big leagues (UFC).

TUF needs to be totally overhauled too. I realise they tried this last season with the introduction of live fights but tht clearly didn't work. They just keep pushing the same model and there's even plans for an Indian TUF next year.
I think the current TUF model should be used as a feeder into Strikeforce where fighters can hone their skills and work their way up to the UFC, where only the cream of the crop are on the roster.
TUF the comeback, should definitely be reintroduced and the winners of this should be put back into the UFC.

There's too many numbered events too. This number should be cut down and when they do hold them, they should be cards that are stacked from top to bottom. This way, there would be plenty of time for fans to get excited about it in the build up to the event. The Primetime shows would generate serious interest and excitement in the lead up to the event.
And in the meantime, the smaller fight nights could be held maybe once every 2 or 3 weeks to build up the names of the lesser known fighters before they make it to the numbered events.

I don't have all the answers for the UFC and some of my suggestions might not work or might not be realistic, but all I know is there is definitely a problem there and it should be looked at sooner rather than later.

SaoriseBiker

Unpopular MMA Opinions - Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked someone so hard that his foot broke the speed of light, went back in time, and killed Amelia Earhart while she was flying back to America - FACT.

MrStuffins

rounders123 wrote: »

OP do opinions have an amnesty against people getting on all indignant and challenging about such unpopular opinions?.

I don't make the rules.

I just thought it was a good idea for a thread which would spark debate.

califano

MrStuffins wrote: »

I don't make the rules.

I just thought it was a good idea for a thread which would spark debate.

Its a very good idea for a thread. And yes you do make the rules, you started the thread!. I think it would be better if you dont have someone hot on the bit arguing back or taking offence, obv as long as it isnt a personal remark. Otherwise its like any other thread.

So new rule. Debate is fine but umbrage to an unpopular opinion isnt allowed(even if its an opinion on Irish MMA!).

T-K-O

cowzerp wrote: »

I have no doubt that Ireland will produce UFC stars, all we need is experience and that's what we are doing now-it's coming and in 20 years there will be several Irish challenging in the UFC

Buffer is a bit embarrassing but I like him, poor mans Michael buffer.

Bruce is definitely the Danny Devito of the two

Chavways

John Ferguson wrote: »

I think this might be because there was much less of it to watch back then, there was more of a sense of occasion in many ways. Sometimes I think it has gone a little into over kill now with the number of events

Yeah I remember a few years ago I'd have the date in my calender months away from the event.I remember when the first Lesnar v Carwin fight was penciled in for November and I was looking forward to it from June. Me and my friend would watch events together at 5 am and make an effort. Nowadays I've totally lost track of the events and there just isn't the same draw that there used to be.

El Guapo!

rounders123 wrote: »

So new rule. Debate is fine but umbrage to an unpopular opinion isnt allowed(even if its an opinion on Irish MMA!).

Who died and made you a mod?!?


:pac:

MrStuffins

rounders123 wrote: »

Its a very good idea for a thread. And yes you do make the rules, you started the thread!. I think it would be better if you dont have someone hot on the bit arguing back or taking offence, obv as long as it isnt a personal remark. Otherwise its like any other thread.

So new rule. Debate is fine but umbrage to an unpopular opinion isnt allowed(even if its an opinion on Irish MMA!).

If there's no umbrage, the opinion isn't unpopular enough IMO :P

unknown13

I think we should use this thread to generate unpopular opinions and the most common ones that are argued get their separate thread every so often to allow for a wide range of debate in one place without having to quote everything. If we were to use this method, I think the first proper debate thread should be about Zuffa. This is only a suggestion but I do agree though we need some debate here.

Ush1

Only fights that are draws should get an instant rematch.
Jon Jones would beat any fighter in the UFC.
Roy Nelson should not drop to LHW, the talent there is higher and he would suffer because of that.
Gilbert Melendez ain't nowhere near being the best 155er in the world and I thought he lost his last 2 fights.
Shoguns knees are shot to pieces and he will never be back to his pride days(prolly not that unpopular an opinion).
I think Jon Anik is brutal.

califano

No touching gloves during or between rounds should be allowed. Only once at the start and even that is a concession.

Twice a year US UFC's should be brought forward to facilitate a wider audience(Europe). Main event 11pm GMT.

Event organisers like Cage Warriors and Tean Ryano should make more of an effort to answer peoples questions in their threads. Cage Contender has nothing to answer for in this respect.

Bring Barry Oglesby back.

El Guapo!

rounders123 wrote: »

No touching gloves during or between rounds should be allowed. Only once at the start and even that is a concession.

Why?
I think the touching of gloves is great sportsmanship.

rounders123 wrote: »

Twice a year US UFC's should be brought forward to facilitate a wider audience(Europe). Main event 11pm GMT.

That would be great. We'd actually be able to watch events in the pub. Maybe even an mma forum night out for an event!
I doubt the UFC would do it though.

rounders123 wrote: »

Bring Barry Oglesby back.

Yeah Barry was cool. But based on the prison thread I don't think the admins would allow it.

El Guapo!

unknown13 wrote: »

I think we should use this thread to generate unpopular opinions and the most common ones that are argued get their separate thread every so often to allow for a wide range of debate in one place without having to quote everything.

Good idea.

MrStuffins

rounders123 wrote: »

No touching gloves during or between rounds should be allowed. Only once at the start and even that is a concession.

I kind of agree with this. it's good sportsmanship but it's at that point where it seemingly has to be done all of the time. if it were outlawed , the sportsmanship wouldn't disappear.

It's kinda like how I feel about putting the ball out for an injured player in football. I think the rule should be changed so that ONLY the referee has the power to stop the game in that situation and putting the ball out of play on purpose is a Yellow Card offence. It therefore takes the pressure off the players in possession who are getting stick from the fans and opposition to put the ball out so some lad who's rolling around on the deck with the intention of wasting time or just acting the maggot!

if you added up the incidents where the ball is put out of play so attention can be given to a player, at most you'd have 1 in every 20 incidents being one where the player is actually in need of immediate attention.

It's faux sportsmanship!

califano

Dean09 wrote: »

Why?
I think the touching of gloves is great sportsmanship.

Usually because its just incincere. Also the build up they are both saying how useless the other is so why the glove touch during the fight. The glove tough just contradicts this. Its good to have a bit of needle in fights and touching gloves says this isnt the case. Always dissapoints me. Hug and kiss to your hearts content after the fight but its a hurt game so no need to sugar coat business by touching gloves. Its like saying ''Good luck',' its insincere.

El Guapo!

MrStuffins wrote: »

I kind of agree with this. it's good sportsmanship but it's at that point where it seemingly has to be done all of the time. if it were outlawed , the sportsmanship wouldn't disappear.

But what's the harm in taking a half a second to touch gloves if the fighters want to?
Most of the time the fighters give each other a little nod or a shake of the head to indicate whether or not they want to touch gloves. Some guys like to touch gloves. Others like to get stuck in straight away.
I don't see any harm in them doing it if they want to.
I even like it sometimes if the fight has been an absolute war and they both come out and give a quick hug at the start of the last round. I think it's fantastic sportsmanship and it'd be a shame to ban it. It's not like it takes a long time to touch gloves.

El Guapo!

rounders123 wrote: »

Dean09 wrote: »

Why?
I think the touching of gloves is great sportsmanship.

Usually because its just incincere. Also the build up they are both saying how useless the other is so why the glove touch during the fight. The glove tough just contradicts this. Also its good to have a bit of needle in fights and touching gloves says this isnt the case. Always dissapoints me. Hug and kiss to your hearts content after the fight but its a hurt game so no need to sugar coat business by toughing gloves. Its like saying ''Good luck',' its insincere.

But they only do it if they want to. No one forces them to do it. If they don't want to touch gloves then they don't.

MrStuffins

Dean09 wrote: »

But they only do it if they want to. No one forces them to do it. If they don't want to touch gloves then they don't.

They're not forced, but they feel they have to anyway IMO.

El Guapo!

MrStuffins wrote: »

They're not forced, but they feel they have to anyway IMO.

Yeah I agree. That's a fair point.
Some might feel that if they don't touch gloves they're seen as the bad guy.
That attitude needs to change. I don't think banning it is the right way to go about it though.
As I said its up to the fighters themselves to decide if they want to do it or not. A little shake of the head beforehand is all it takes and then they both know where they stand.