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Egyptian Copt at Centre of “The Innocence of Muslims” Is A Fanatical Zionist

  • 14-09-2012 12:08am
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    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 Brown Bomber


    An axis-of-evil has been formed between crazed, Coptic Christian-Zionists, Koran-burning militant US Pastors, Egyptian-American convicts and FBI-linked army veteran right-wing extremists to produce a purposely antagonistic anti-Islam film of dubious quality which sadly has inevitably ingited protests in parts of the Muslim world which has already taken lives.

    Much is yet to be revealed but at the centre of the man-made storm at this stage seems to be Morris Sadek of the National American Coptics Assembly. According to earlier reports from Egyptain Coptic sources Sadek is not taken seriously in his Egyptian homeland and is known as an attention whore who has lied about Mohammed to push his anti-Islam agenda.

    Sadek] is ignorant and does not have a clue about what he is talking about,” Ishaq told the Middle East Times in his downtown Cairo office.

    “Here in Egypt, Sadek is not listened to because he doesn’t know anything and is only trying to make himself famous and get people to give him money,” Ishaq said, adding, “What we need to talk about is citizenship, because essentially we are all Egyptians and we need to live together and stop seeing religion as a dividing issue.”


    Other Egyptians point to Sadek’s attacks on Islam in his writings, arguing he is taking advantage of freedom of speech guaranteed in the United States to defame Islam.



    “This is not the first time I meet or see Copts abroad who enjoy cursing Islam because they know they can get away with it,” Egyptian journalist Manar Ammar told the Middle East Times. She added: “I met people in Chicago who cursed the Prophet and criticized him, feeling happy that they were taking advantage of freedom of speech. But their problem is really with [Egyptian] law enforcement, not Muslims.”
    And also,
    Ishaq said that while Sadek’s views are also held by some within Coptic communities abroad, in Egypt, he is seen as “crazy.”


    “Few, if any of the Copts I talk with take this man seriously. He is just so wrong and ridiculous,” Ishaq said.
    According to the Coptic National Assembly’s Web site, Sadek is a member of the District of Columbia bar association and a special legal consultant.


    Only late last year, he fired off a volley of letters stating his belief that Islam is “a religion of hate and violence.”
    According to the journalist, Sadek has on a number of occasions misquoted the Koran to back up his assertions. It is “despicable and horrifying” that someone of his prominence, she said, “could be so blinded by hate that he wants to defame a holy book from a religion.”
    In the same article Sadek’s Zionism and anti-Islamism realy becomes apparent. In the wake of the the systemathic destruction of Gaza by The IDF during Operation castlead and as Gazans still mourned the recently deceased Sadek gloated in their misery in an open letter declaring “Israel’s Victory”.
    In the letter, he called Hamas a part of the Muslim Brotherhood and argued that Palestinians should not complain of their situation vis-a-vis Israel.


    “Soon after Palestinians elected Hamas under the symbol ‘Islam is the solution’ Hamas turned against the Palestinian Authority and declared an Islamic state in Gaza, where they applied the Sharia and killed Christians and burned their stores and kidnapped foreign correspondents,” the duel U.S.-Egyptian citizen Sadek wrote, linking Egypt’s powerful opposition Muslim Brotherhood to Hamas.


    “Hamas sold Gaza to Iran and they sold it in exchange for weapons and tunnels in cooperation with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, and declared jihad on Israel which provides them with food, and Israel sent trucks full of humanitarian supplies over to Gaza,” he continued
    (…)
    “Although the Palestinians are the invaders of the land, instead of thanking Israel for food and help, they declared war. This is Islamic hate. Their place today should be the Higaz [Saudi Arabia] where they came from; and instead of thanking Israel for giving them a piece of its land to live on, they declared war.”
    Time shall tell of the Coptic-Zionists full involvement in the hateful film which shamelessly duped even the actors involved.
    Below is a flowchart demonstrating the associated actors (directly & indirectly) involved at the time of writing (to the best of my knowledge).
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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭ Jonny7


    Coming soon: The innocence of Zionists


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 Duggys Housemate


    The 100 jews bit is a bit dubious.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭ studiorat


    Nice copy and paste job.

    Still managed to drag the Jews in there all the same, well done Bomber!


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭ humanji


    studiorat wrote: »
    Nice copy and paste job.

    Still managed to drag the Jews in there all the same, well done Bomber!
    The original version of the story claimed that it was a group of 100 Jewish people who backed the film.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,402 ✭✭✭ old_aussie


    I didn't realise that copts had become jews.

    Have catholics now become Baptists.

    I thought the movie was a laugh!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,145 ✭✭✭✭ super_furry


    "Even when it wasn't the Jews, I knew it was the Jews!"


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 921 Border-Rat


    You have two ethnic groups from the Middle East. Jews and Muslims. Hating and ridiculing Muslims is okay. You can sit and accuse them of being the engineers of conspiracy theories. You can even kill them.

    But just mention the word Jew and tables are thrown over, rage is directed at you. In fact, you should even expect a criminal record and hefty jail sentence in many places.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭ studiorat


    Border-Rat wrote: »
    You have two ethnic groups from the Middle East. Jews and Muslims.
    .

    So where does the guy the story is about fit in?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭ Jonny7


    Border-Rat wrote: »

    But just mention the word Jew and tables are thrown over, rage is directed at you. In fact, you should even expect a criminal record and hefty jail sentence in many places.

    Interesting, care to share how much jail-time have you done over your comments?

    The internet is chock-full of anti-Zionist, anti-Jewish videos - where are the enraged mobs of Jews?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭ Royal Irish


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    where are the enraged mobs of Jews?

    Well they're not in Auschwitz anyway.


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  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 Brown Bomber


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Interesting, care to share how much jail-time have you done over your comments?

    The internet is chock-full of anti-Zionist, anti-Jewish videos - where are the enraged mobs of Jews?
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  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 Brown Bomber


    old_aussie wrote: »
    I didn't realise that copts had become jews.
    So you might say "Jew Copt On".
    old_aussie wrote: »
    Have catholics now become Baptists.
    Honestly, WTF are you talking about? Do you know the difference between a Coptic Christian, a Jew and a Zionist?
    old_aussie wrote: »
    I thought the movie was a laugh!
    Well that says more about you...


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 Brown Bomber


    "Even when it wasn't the Jews, I knew it was the Jews!"
    Your Pavolovian response is so pathethic it is equally comical and depressing.

    How you've managed to conclude that an OP that focuses on CHRISTIANS, ALL OF THEM CHRISTIANS...ONE MORE TIME...ALL CHRISTIANS, ONE IS EVEN THE HEAD OF A CHRISTIAN CHURCH FFS is an attack on Jews is quite frankly worrying.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,069 Tzar Chasm


    On the topic of this film, I too am a litle offended by it, now I just saw the trailer but the acting was terrible, the camerawork was atrocious, the script was incomprehensible and the sets were infantile.

    This kind of shoddy work only manages to undo the work done by real masters of the art of satire such as Southpark, it also places those of us who defend freedom of speech in an untennable position as this 'movie' is indefensibly bad


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 Brown Bomber


    It appears I was more or less on the right track. Militant Christian-Zionists and Coptic-Zionists with possible support from the stable of the Zionist-funded professional Islamophobia industry.
    An inflammatory anti-Muslim film that has been blamed in this week's deadly attack on U.S. diplomats in Libya was produced by a Duarte-based Christian non-profit, officials said.



    Media for Christ, which has its administrative offices south of the 210 Freeway in Duarte, took out a film permit for the production, according to City Manager Darrell George.



    The producers also used Blue Cloud studios in Santa Clarita, also known as Blue Cloud Movie Ranch, as the film's location, George said.
    "It was filmed in Santa Clarita," George said. He said he obtained the information from the L.A. County Sheriff's Department.
    http://www.presstelegram.com/breakingnews/ci_21530557/movie-that-set-off-violence-middle-east-produced
    (...)
    According to public records, Media for Christ took out a business license in 2006 at the Duarte location.

    Steve Klein, who claims to have consulted a Jewish filmmaker using the name Sam Bacile, said Media for Christ "had nothing to do with the filming of this movie." But Klein also said he could not say where exactly the video was filmed.

    It was "somewhere in California," he said. "I don't know where."

    The Associated Press reported that Bacile is actually a California Coptic Christian convicted of financial crimes who acknowledged his role in managing and providing logistics for the production.

    Nakoula Basseley Nakoula,
    55, told the Associated Press in an interview outside Los Angeles that he was manager for the company that produced "Innocence of Muslims."

    Nakoula however denied he directed the film and said he knew the self-described filmmaker, Sam Bacile. But the cellphone number that AP contacted Tuesday to reach the filmmaker who identified himself as Sam Bacile traced to the same address near Los Angeles where AP found Nakoula. Federal court papers said Nakoula's aliases included Nicola Bacily, Erwin Salameh and others.

    Nakoula denied he had posed as Bacile. During a conversation outside his home, he offered his driver's license to show his identity but kept his thumb over his middle name, Basseley. Records checks by the AP subsequently found it and other connections to the Bacile persona.

    Klein said he has taped a television show called "Wake Up America" on The Way TV, which shares the same Duarte address as Media for Christ, according to public records.

    The Way TV offers Arabic Christian programming.

    "I talk about different current events, what's happening in the Middle East," Klein said.

    Public records list Steve Klein as director of Courageous Christians United. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center web site, Klein "has a long history of ties to militant Christian organizations."

    Klein lives in Hemet.

    Both Media for Christ and The Way TV are run by Joseph Abdelmasih of Arcadia, who is listed as chief executive officer for both entities, and president of Media for Christ, public records show.
    ttp://www.presstelegram.com/breakingnews/ci_21530557/movie-that-set-off-violence-middle-east-produced

    Nasralla and the Islamophobia Industry

    Nasralla (also spelled Nassralla) participated in the 2010 anti-mosque rally at Ground Zero, also sponsored by Geller and Spencer, and received media coverage because of an incident at the event. The crowd surrounded Nasralla and another Egyptian speaker mistaking them as Muslims.

    Spencer is the director of Jihad Watch, a program of David Horowitz's Freedom Center. Spencer and Geller founded Stop Islamization of America (SIOA), an affiliate of Stop Islamization of Europe and a project of their American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI). The AFDI is the sponsor of anti-Muslim advertisements on buses in Manhattan and San Francisco. Spencer and Geller describe their inflammatory activism as being "pro-Israel," although they have no doubt alienated many supporters of Israel. Sources, including a 2011 Slate article, counted the references to Geller, Spencer, and their collaborators in the writings of Norway's mass killer Anders Breivik, and found them cited over 250 times.

    It was Spencer and Geller that organized the 2009 rallies around Rifqa Bary, the Muslim girl who ran away from home with the aid of her Christian proselytizers. See previous posts on this issue ( 1, 2, and 3) including the role of controversial pastor Terry Jones, who has also been reported as promoting the movie in question.

    Media for Christ

    Media for Christ received its non-profit designation with the IRS in 2009 and is described in the filings as follows.
    "Media for Christ is a non-denominational evangelical Christian organization providing spiritual aid to people worldwide through its web site and its satellite TV station, the Way TV."

    According to the organization's 990 tax forms, Nasralla (listed as Joseph N. Abdelmasih) is the president, Kamal Rizk of Raleigh, N.C. is vice president and CPA, and Rania W. Mossad is secretary of the non-profit. Income increased from 65,000 dollars in 2007 to over one million dollars in 2011. The latest available 990 showed a "program expense" of $10,500 dollars for "TV broadcast" in Egypt.

    I have been unable to find additional information on the other two registered officers of Media for Christ - Kamal Rizk and Rania Mossad - but the 2011 obituary of Kamal Rizk's brother describes him as "the son of a furniture shop owner in Cairo." Kamal Rizk is quoted in the obituary,

    Kamal Rizk described his brother as a devout Christian who attended a Jews for Jesus worship service on weekdays and a regular church service on Sundays. He was also an active supporter of Israel and traveled to Washington each July to work with a group led by evangelist John Hagee to lobby Congress for support of Israel.


    The Way TV includes a show hosted by Steve Klein called "Wake Up America." Klein has told press that he "consulted" on "The Innocence of Muslims" movie, but denied to the press that Media for Christ produced the film. Klein and others have pointed to a "Sam Bacile" as director of the film, apparently a fictitious name. See the SPLC's report on Steve Klein.

    Klein, Nasralla, and Gary Cass are partners in an anti-Muslim student outreach effort titled 911 Defend Our Students, which has included handing out fliers to students as they leave their schools. A Christian Newswire press release describes the program in the words of Cass,

    "Muslims are trying to convert and radicalize our young people. By telling them the truth about the dangerous doctrines of Islam and the and wicked practices of Mohammad we are protecting our children."

    Cass, former executive director of James Kennedy's Reclaiming America for Christ, co-founded the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission with General William S. Hollis. Projects have included a series of videos titled "Seven Reasons Barack Obama is not a Christian." The advisory board includes Matt Staver, Rick Scarborough, Lou Sheldon, Dick Bott, Ted Baehr, Don Wildmon, Leslee Unruh, and other Religious Right luminaries. Cass is one of the "Broadcast Celebrities of The Third Rail, along with Gen. William "Jerry" Boykin, Larry Pratt, and other "veteran patriots."

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    In photo at right, Joseph Nasralla (left) and Morris Sadek (right) are featured at the 2011 rally sponsored by Spencer and Geller. Morris Sadek leads the National American Coptic Assembly and is reported as promoting the "Innocence of the Muslims" video in Egyptnasrallawithsadek2copy.jpg
    In photo at right, Joseph Nasralla (left) and Morris Sadek (right) are featured at the 2011 rally sponsored by Spencer and Geller. Morris Sadek leads the National American Coptic Assembly and is reported as promoting the "Innocence of the Muslims" video in Egypt





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    The above photo shows Sadek with the President of anti-Islam group Act! For America which is funded by the Zionist Aubrey Chernick through his Fairbrook Foundation.

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    Nasrallah & Geller


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 JustinDee


    Great. Now who's behind the orchestration in each country too? At least one has blood on their hands.
    The alleged 'outrage' has been hijacked by the usual myopes.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 Brown Bomber


    JustinDee wrote: »
    Great. Now who's behind the orchestration in each country too? At least one has blood on their hands.
    The alleged 'outrage' has been hijacked by the usual myopes.

    TheZionist in the OP kickstarted it all in Egypt:
    CAIRO — A crude video about the Prophet Muhammad that triggered an unprecedented outbreak of anti-American protest last week moved from being a YouTube obscurity in the United States to a touchstone for anger across the world through a phone call less than two weeks ago from a controversial U.S.-based anti-Islam activist to a reporter for an Egyptian newspaper.



    Morris Sadek, a Coptic Christian who lives in suburban Washington, D.C., whose anti-Islam campaigning led to the revocation of his Egyptian citizenship earlier this year, had an exclusive story for Gamel Girgis, who covers Christian emigrants for al Youm al Sabaa, the Seventh Day, a daily newspaper here. Sadek had a movie clip he wanted Girgis to see; he e-mailed him a link.



    “He told me he produced a movie last year and wanted to screen it on Sept. 11th to reveal what was behind the terrorists’ actions that day, Islam,” Girgis said, recalling the first call, which came on Sept. 4. Sadek, a longtime source, “considers me the boldest journalist, the only one that would publish such stories.”
    Girgis said he watched the movie and found it insulting. He didn’t want to write about it. But Sadek called Girgis back and urged him to, telling him he could not deny that the movie existed.



  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 Brown Bomber


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭ studiorat


    The film is being used as an excuse for "more Islamist than-thou" political posturing. And is being used to great effect. The Islamist movements organizing the protests have shown that "they excel in using an insult (real or perceived) as part of their culture wars: their tactic is to portray themselves as the sole defenders of the faith. It seems that the politics of outrage are too much of a temptation.

    Why for example, is the Egyptian government condemning the lack of security at the US embassy, while the president's political movement, which just spent the last week wooing American investors, calls for more protests?

    Nader Bakkar – from the Al-Nour Party, told an Al Jazeera channel broadcast across the Arab world “that the film had been broadcast on U.S. channels.” Why would he say that?

    And why, despite the risks of escalation made obvious by the attack that killed four American diplomats in Benghazi, did the Muslim Brotherhood’s secretary general, Mahmoud Ghozlan, call for new protests after Friday prayers?

    And why again was Albert Ayyadr, an Egyptian copt sent to jail for "sharing" parts of the film on his blog, while Khaled Abdallah who showed it on Television is allowed to roam free.

    http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/rights-group-condemns-detention-copt-over-video

    In Egypt perhaps this photo sums up exactly what the protests are really about...

    http://twitter.com/AmrAladin/status/245609896605798400/photo/1/large

    And from Syria :

    https://twitter.com/emmasuleiman/status/246580499663970304/photo/1/large


    So the conspiracy? A bunch of self-appointed mullahs decide to drag up some obscure film from the internet and use it to generate political currency and garner support for themselves. And a bunch of twits on the internet help them by creating a "vast network" of Zionists behind the film. Looks like someone has a case of the Hebrew-Jeebies again.
    “At the police station, an officer incited a number of prisoners to attack Ayyad. Eventually, someone assaulted him, wounding him in the neck with a sharp blade. It was proven during the investigation [that the attack was incited] by the public prosecution,” the organization added.

    The group claimed a number of angry citizens forced Ayyad’s mother to leave her home Friday morning after threatening to kill her and burn down her house.

    “The Association for Freedom of Thought and Expression believes that expressing one’s opinions, even if they are shocking and unfamiliar to the majority of the society, should never lead to [one’s] imprisonment or to their family’s displacement, as is the case with Ayyad’s family,” the statement said.

    “The association emphasizes the danger of ignoring the incitement to violence practiced by a number of religious TV channels against Copts, after the uproar over the American film that criticizes Islam,” it added.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 JustinDee


    TheZionist in the OP kickstarted it all in Egypt:
    Its not only those big bad evil Jews involved here.
    The reaction is being capitalised upon, using folk gullible enough to kill, harm or vandalise and obviously orchestrated in each locale. This isn't something that just appears on the street.

    How many videos are posted on YouTube insulting non-believers (and worse still) such as Jews or Christians? Ffs, have you ever been in Edgware Road or Church St Markets in London?


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  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 Brown Bomber


    JustinDee wrote: »
    Its not only those big bad evil Jews involved here.
    You might want to get your eyes checked you are seeing "Jew" when it clearly says "Copt".

    Otherwise for the rest of your post - and this goes for studiorant too --> The topic is the film itself; not the reaction to it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,069 Tzar Chasm


    ah but the film itself was created IMO for the sole purpose of inciting this very reaction, I have tried to watch som more of it, but seriously is painfully Sh1te, now who is using it to incite the masses and to what end are the important qustions here.

    if it really is a bunch of zionist/coptic eyptians then what is their aim, surely something like this plays right into the hands of the 'mentalmullahs'


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 Brown Bomber


    Tzar Chasm wrote: »
    ah but the film itself was created IMO for the sole purpose of inciting this very reaction, I have tried to watch som more of it, but seriously is painfully Sh1te, now who is using it to incite the masses and to what end are the important qustions here.

    if it really is a bunch of zionist/coptic eyptians then what is their aim, surely something like this plays right into the hands of the 'mentalmullahs'
    It does, but the Muslim Brotherhood are not the Salafists who are the ones who are really accelerating the protests.

    Also, the Zionist goals for Egypt dovetails in with the extremist Copts responsible for the film

    Morris Sadek: Useful Idiot or Tool of Zionism?

    http://theflowerthrowers.wordpress.com/2012/09/17/morris-sadek-useful-idiot-or-tool-of-zionism/


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,804 Wurzelbert


    Tzar Chasm wrote: »
    On the topic of this film, I too am a litle offended by it, now I just saw the trailer but the acting was terrible, the camerawork was atrocious, the script was incomprehensible and the sets were infantile.

    This kind of shoddy work only manages to undo the work done by real masters of the art of satire such as Southpark, it also places those of us who defend freedom of speech in an untennable position as this 'movie' is indefensibly bad

    i think you might have a point there…


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,633 SamHarris


    Tzar Chasm wrote: »
    On the topic of this film, I too am a litle offended by it, now I just saw the trailer but the acting was terrible, the camerawork was atrocious, the script was incomprehensible and the sets were infantile.

    This kind of shoddy work only manages to undo the work done by real masters of the art of satire such as Southpark, it also places those of us who defend freedom of speech in an untennable position as this 'movie' is indefensibly bad

    I can't think of anyone that defends free speech purely on the basis of the artistic merit of the speech in question. The idea that its only free speech if its deemed 'quality' has no basis in fact whatsoever. Its a **** production, yes, and intended to insult, yes. Still undoubtedly covered by the umbrella of free speech.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,069 Tzar Chasm


    Oh yeah, I get that, and I feel the same way as yourself, but in some instances a really shoddy product such as this one damages the campaign as it is clear that whoever made the video did it purely for the purposes of inciting the reaction we see

    Those that fall in the 'i'm all for free speech.....but' camp can cite this as to why there should b some limits.

    Abie philbin bowman was on the last word during the week talking about doing his show
    'Jesus, the guantanamo years
    In pakistan, its slightly less sacreligious but still if the nutters wanted to get offended they easily could, however it went down well because its actually funny


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 JustinDee


    You might want to get your eyes checked you are seeing "Jew" when it clearly says "Copt".

    Otherwise for the rest of your post - and this goes for studiorant too --> The topic is the film itself; not the reaction to it.

    When you've finished adopting the role of self-appointed moderator, you might realise that in these posts of yours, the subject of Zionism keeps getting a bang in. By all means, take it down the "Christians can be Zionists . . . blah . . . blah". This doesn't detract anything in your thread.

    Obssessed.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 Brown Bomber


    JustinDee wrote: »
    When you've finished adopting the role of self-appointed moderator, you might realise that in these posts of yours, the subject of Zionism keeps getting a bang in. By all means, take it down the "Christians can be Zionists . . . blah . . . blah". This doesn't detract anything in your thread.

    Obssessed.

    Again, if you could pay close attention:
    1. The people behind the video are Christians
    2. The people behind the video are Zionists.
    3. Therefore the people behind the video are Christian-Zionists.
    Any attempts to conflate an expression of these facts with anti-semitism is dishonest and idiotic.

    Not only that it cheapens actual anti-semitism.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 Brown Bomber


    SamHarris wrote: »
    Still undoubtedly covered by the umbrella of free speech.
    Could you explain this please?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,633 SamHarris


    Could you explain this please?

    As in allowing speech deemed 'offensive' is central to freedom of speech. If you do not beleive people should be allowed to make offensive movies, no matter how ****ty they are, then by defenition the person in question does not beleive in freedom of speech.

    There are often commentators and individuals who claim 'I believe strongly in free speech but ...' - its merely an attempt to have the nomenclature attached to their argument, as so many people find it incredibly important. Being honest and stating they do not think free speech is in and of itself a good thing instantly attaches a contrarion label to them and their position.


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