Joe Canning press conference

ohyesthefinest

What are peoples opinions on his comments on Henry Shefflin?

D1stant

I think he should steer away from that type of thing

Stick to the hurling Joe. Henry is too clever for you off the pitch

GAAman

ohyesthefinest wrote: »

What are peoples opinions on his comments on Henry Shefflin?

Some people wont have seen it, why not say what was said here. Also giving your own opinion on it doesn't hurt

ohyesthefinest

GAAman wrote: »

Some people wont have seen it, why not say what was said here. Also giving your own opinion on it doesn't hurt

I admire his honesty but I want Galway to win very much and if it had been Shefflin saying that about Canning I don't think that would be my attitude.

http://www.newstalk.ie/2012/sport/229953/

willietherock

Shefflin gets stuck into refs all the time. His antics to get Kevin Hynes booked in the Leinster final were a disgrace. But Canning is some fool to come out publically and give Cody his dressing room speech.

Luca Brasi

Kerry and Kilkenny are past masters with the mind games on referees.
Cody was at it after the Tipp game. Mick O Dwyer and the O Se clan are well able for it too. Chatting with the linesmen and umpirers during break inplay as if they are firm buddies. Then when the 50 50 decision comes guess who gets it.

Cannings comments about JJ Delaney criticising Shefflin going for the point will not go down well in the Cats dressingroom.

Utopia Parkway

ohyesthefinest wrote: »

What are peoples opinions on his comments on Henry Shefflin?

Well he's correct in that Shefflin does try to referee games. He is contstantly in the ear of the match officials.

Although to be honest Canning seemed to be saying that Galway have to be cute like that as well whereas the journalists have put a negative spin on it unsurprisingly.

Ultimately it won't matter a jot come the replay which is still 2 and a half weeks away.

Benny Cake

Biggest mistake he could have made, last thing Galway need to do is rile up the KK dressing room. Not the first time this year Canning has opened his gob unnecessarily.....

Utopia Parkway

Benny Cake wrote: »

Biggest mistake he could have made, last thing Galway need to do is rile up the KK dressing room. Not the first time this year Canning has opened his gob unnecessarily.....

If Kilkenny weren't riled up after getting hammered by Galway in the Leinster final then this isn't going to make much of a difference.

Much ado about nothing.

Dirty Dingus McGee

First of all Canning should have shut his mouth, it just puts unnecessary focus on himself.

However is he far off. Shefflin did seem to be doing alot of whinging on Sunday and just because Shefflin is a great player it doesnt mean he is beyond being criticised for his actions on the field.

dastardly00

As Utopia Parkway said, much ado about nothing.

Benny Cake

dastardly00 wrote: »

As Utopia Parkway said, much ado about nothing.

I respectfully disagree. Cody & KK have been known to use this type of stuff to their advantage in th past.....

They obivously won't be stupid enough to say so to the press, but you can be gauranteed it will be used as a motivitational factor in the buildup.

corcaigh07

Canning is spot on, don't see any controversy, he even admits Galway need that bit of cuteness too. Kilkenny, Kerry, Barca, New Zealand- the very best of any sport do what it takes and go as close to the limit as possible to win.

thesultan

Canning gave a little comment but it was put as his main saying. He was right in what he said. Too many times fella's give little opinion, great to see some honesty

lukin

He should have "kicked to touch" with every question about the game. Just give some bland Jamie Redknapp Sky Sports type answer like "full credit to the lads/at the end of the day" yawn etc..
I am surprised Anthony Cunningham allowed him to speak to the media so soon after the game. There should be no interviews given before the replay apart from the press night on the Wed/Thurs. the week before the game.
This is the worst thing about the three week break before the replay; journalists will be looking for tit-bits of information, quotes, trying to make controversies out of nothing in the lead up.

thesultan

He is right to question Shefflin he is always bitching to referees like Donaghy. A auld yellow card thrown at him would quickly quieten him

TBP

Benny Cake wrote: »

I respectfully disagree. Cody & KK have been known to use this type of stuff to their advantage in th past.....

They obivously won't be stupid enough to say so to the press, but you can be gauranteed it will be used as a motivitational factor in the buildup.

What Canning and the rest of the Galway players saw first hand last Sunday could be used as a motivational factor as well.

What he said was the truth and it'll have no bearing on the result in the replay at all. Galway will win and Shefflin will be the first to congratulate Big Joe.

Utopia Parkway

lukin wrote: »

He should have "kicked to touch" with every question about the game. Just give some bland Jamie Redknapp Sky Sports type answer like "full credit to the lads/at the end of the day" yawn etc..
I am surprised Anthony Cunningham allowed him to speak to the media so soon after the game. There should be no interviews given before the replay apart from the press night on the Wed/Thurs. the week before the game.
This is the worst thing about the three week break before the replay; journalists will be looking for tit-bits of information, quotes, trying to make controversies out of nothing in the lead up.

Think it had something to do with the U-21 final this weekend so Canning had probably given his word he would attend weeks ago.

I have heard that the audio of his interview doesn't make it sound nearly as bad so I feel there is some mischief-making here by the journalists trying to create a story.

Probably didn't help then either that Michael Duignan showed up on Morning Ireland to defend Kilkenny's honour again.

dastardly00

Benny Cake wrote: »

I respectfully disagree. Cody & KK have been known to use this type of stuff to their advantage in th past.....

They obivously won't be stupid enough to say so to the press, but you can be gauranteed it will be used as a motivitational factor in the buildup.

As it's impossible to know what psychology the KK team and backroom staff use for motivation unless you are actually in the dressing room with them :pac:

lukin

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Probably didn't help then either that Michael Duignan showed up on Morning Ireland to defend Kilkenny's honour again.

Really?I didn't hear the interview. I'm not surprised at him jumping to Kilkenny's defence though; He is simply incapable of objectivity when it comes to them.

Deathwish4

Shefflin is a major whinger on the field, he's the same during club games in Kilkenny. I don't see any issue with Joe commenting on that, however it's not his place to comment on JJ's reaction to the penalty.

No harm in having things stoked up a little for the replay. May the best team win, and then gloat until their throats are sore.

Hitchens

Heard those excerpts from the interview, and it was fairly harmless stuff in fairness.
He probably should have kept the JJ comment for an anecdote on 'Up For The Match' in 30 years time!

[-0-]

I didn't hear the interview in full but I'm sure this is being blown out of proportion after listening to the excerpts.

Fair play to him, at least he's honest and he doesn't want to tip toe around people. Not enough honest people around, especially these days.

corner back 2

Maybe poor joe was annoyed that Henrys great performance in the 2nd half took the attention away from him. This could be his effort to put Henry off his game. Joe not averse to a bit of whinging himself and maybe should meet with Henry to get some coaching on how to deal with the media and they could compare All Ireland medal collections!;)

AngeGal

It's an All Ireland final lads, this won't have any effect. It's no harm either to put it out there, the ref for the next day might bear it in mind, Cody is always at it sure and for all we know Cunningham might have told Joe to mention it if he got a chance.

theoneeyedman

AngeGal wrote: »

It's an All Ireland final lads, this won't have any effect. It's no harm either to put it out there, the ref for the next day might bear it in mind, Cody is always at it sure and for all we know Cunningham might have told Joe to mention it if he got a chance.

exactly, Cody was in the media before the final discussing refereeing etc and was out on the pitch on sunday 'influencing' (AKA bullying) the linesman and ref.

Change to see any sportsman expressing an opinion...should be applauded IMO!

dirkmeister

This has been blown out of all proportion, particularly the JJ comments, but what is his problem with Henry complaining to the ref?


It's an All Ireland final, of course Henry (and Joe) are going to fight their own corner!!

however.....

Joe should know better than to use the term "bad sportsmanship" regarding Henry, especially if you watch a replay of the match. Joe wasn't too far away from Barry Kelly giving his two cents for a free or two. He was also over with the linesman for the point Richie Power scored.


As an aside..I had a good laugh listening to one of the questions posed to Canning, it would make you wonder if some of the journo's ever even picked up a hurl..it went something like this "Do you think you had the freedom to play? Do you think you were protected?"

Jesus, it's the backs job to make sure lads don't have "freedom" to play!
And as for "protection"?

Canning gave a decent answer saying no-one goes out to hurt anyone so he wouldn't be in need of "protection"

Mr. Boo

Slow news day tbh.

basillarkin

Much ado about nothing imo, Canning should be staying out of the media and not giving interviews. Corner back is a bit harsh on Canning above when the tatics put in place by Cunningham in the 2nd half nearly came back to haunt him. The media love these 2 guys though and they normally can do no wrong. Back to the game itself, Canning like Shefflin missed some dead ball opportunities, can't see them been as bad the next day

Hulk Hands

Has anyone actually listened to the interview? It was so incredibly harmless. The Shefflin remark was just a small comment, no malice. The JJ thing was more of a laughing remark aswell, just something you say in passing. It is just poor journalists making headlines and idiots who haven't listened to it making ill informed judgements. This shouldnt even be a thread

UnitedIrishman

As Hulk Hands said, most of this is taken out of context. He says the JJ thing and that he was surprised he didn't go for it.. and then qualifies it by saying that he would've taken the point himself at that stage of the game to go a point up. But that's ommitted of course from most articles.

equivariant

This whole thing is all just media waffle. They have run out of stuff to say and so they are trying to whip up a controversy.

Does anyone seriously think that what Joe Canning said will make even the smallest difference to the outcome of the replay? Is Shefflin going to try harder just because Joe Canning thinks he pressurises refs? If that was the way Shefflin worked, I'd say he wouldn't have 8 all_ireland medals in his pocket

morcheen k

reminds me of managers like wenger in football who try to outwit fergie and never can because he is a master at playing the refs to suit him.Canning is the wenger in this case,getting negative press as oppossed to fergie who the press arse lick something chronic,and he gets so many decisions his way over the years and players get away with much more than any other.do it on the pitch next time Joe and try not to miss the winner this time

AngeGal

morcheen k wrote: »

reminds me of managers like wenger in football who try to outwit fergie and never can because he is a master at playing the refs to suit him.Canning is the wenger in this case,getting negative press as oppossed to fergie who the press arse lick something chronic,and he gets so many decisions his way over the years and players get away with much more than any other.do it on the pitch next time Joe and try not to miss the winner this time

He didn't miss any opportunity to win the game. He's put it in the refs mind and raised attention to it, nice work Joe.

Annuv

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Think it had something to do with the U-21 final this weekend so Canning had probably given his word he would attend weeks ago.

I have heard that the audio of his interview doesn't make it sound nearly as bad so I feel there is some mischief-making here by the journalists trying to create a story.

Probably didn't help then either that Michael Duignan showed up on Morning Ireland to defend Kilkenny's honour again.

Duignan was scheduled for that radio interview prior to Canning's interview so it's not like he immediately jumped to defence of Kilkenny and demanded air time on hearing what Canning said, which seems to be what is being suggested here.

TBP

morcheen k wrote: »

reminds me of managers like wenger in football who try to outwit fergie and never can because he is a master at playing the refs to suit him.Canning is the wenger in this case,getting negative press as oppossed to fergie who the press arse lick something chronic,and he gets so many decisions his way over the years and players get away with much more than any other.do it on the pitch next time Joe and try not to miss the winner this time

Not to sure if you saw the match at all but he did it on the pitch scoring 1-9 the last day and didn't miss any winning score either.

premierstone

Annuv wrote: »

Duignan was scheduled for that radio interview prior to Canning's interview so it's not like he immediately jumped to defence of Kilkenny and demanded air time on hearing what Canning said, which seems to be what is being suggested here.

What is being suggested here is that Duignan is so far up KK's hole he cant see the wood from the trees, and no one can deny that, its actually embarrassing watching he's 'neutral' analysis of a KK game, no wonder he was the loudest critic of Lar Corbett and was still at it on Sunday, he was jealous ffs, Tommy is he's man, hands off Lar

basillarkin

I think he is referring to the off day Canning had at dead balls the same could be said for Henry

TBP wrote: »

Not to sure if you saw the match at all but he did it on the pitch scoring 1-9 the last day and didn't miss any winning score either.

premierstone

basillarkin wrote: »

I think he is referring to the off day Canning had at dead balls the same could be said for Henry

It was odd, RTE were saying it was down to the swirling breeze, but John McGrath score 1-12 from frees in the minor game, 13 out of 13 scores so it cant have been the breeze.

Annuv

premierstone wrote: »

What is being suggested here is that Duignan is so far up KK's hole he cant see the wood from the trees, and no one can deny that, its actually embarrassing watching he's 'neutral' analysis of a KK game, no wonder he was the loudest critic of Lar Corbett and was still at it on Sunday, he was jealous ffs, Tommy is he's man, hands off Lar

"Michael Duignan showed up on Morning Ireland to defend Kilkenny's honour again" implies that his purpose of being on Morning Ireland was to defend Kilkenny's honour, which it was not. Anyway, I agree Duignan has come across as an admirer of Kilkenny hurling in some of his comments in recent years (which of course is completely unacceptable it seems) and I can understand why he wouldn't be most popular in Tipp.

However, I did notice a change in attitude to Kilkenny being exhibited by Duignan during commentary on the final. He seemed to make a few comments about Kilkenny players that suprised me a little, he seemed eager to highlight anything negative about Kilkenny (makes a change says you), for example stating authoritatively that Paul Murphy threw the hurl for Burkes goal when replays and images on sportsfile showed that he did not, the hurl came from his hand after the ball was struck and as he hit the ground:

http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF897/682424.jpg

basillarkin

Agreed PS, unless the wind picked up which it didn't imo, RTE making excuses for the media darlings.

premierstone wrote: »

It was odd, RTE were saying it was down to the swirling breeze, but John McGrath score 1-12 from frees in the minor game, 13 out of 13 scores so it cant have been the breeze.

augustus gloop

he was dead right to say it.
whats all this about giving cody his dressing room speech? how? how will cody use what canning said? i dont understand how he could motivate KK with this?
people saying it puts unnecessary focus on Joe, how? Joe has more focus on him than anyone else on the pitch anyway, it will put the focus squarely on henry and the ref.... you can bet henry wont try to shout the odds at the ref next time?
as far as i can see it was a well thought out ploy, delivered by galways most well known hurler

Mr. Boo

The flags were pointing down behind the hill all afternoon until the gathering thing started. From then on one minute they'd be heading for Cloniffe rd, the next they'd be back towards the canal end. There were some substantial gusts up in the upper stands too which had thousands of us taking our jackets on and off.

Psychedelic

What Joe Canning actually said:
http://soundcloud.com/off-the-ball/what

TBP

premierstone wrote: »

It was odd, RTE were saying it was down to the swirling breeze, but John McGrath score 1-12 from frees in the minor game, 13 out of 13 scores so it cant have been the breeze.

There was a good hour or so between the minor and senior game though and as we all know the wind can change like a shot.

I was on the Hill and compared to the lads holding down that big baloon/float thing down the Davin end the lads holding the one down my end were having a an awful time of it, I tought they were going to take off with the balloon at one stage!

premierstone

Annuv wrote: »

"Michael Duignan showed up on Morning Ireland to defend Kilkenny's honour again" implies that his purpose of being on Morning Ireland was to defend Kilkenny's honour, which it was not. Anyway, I agree Duignan has come across as an admirer of Kilkenny hurling in some of his comments in recent years (which of course is completely unacceptable it seems) and I can understand why he wouldn't be most popular in Tipp.

However, I did notice a change in attitude to Kilkenny being exhibited by Duignan during commentary on the final. He seemed to make a few comments about Kilkenny players that suprised me a little, he seemed eager to highlight anything negative about Kilkenny (makes a change says you), for example stating authoritatively that Paul Murphy threw the hurl for Burkes goal when replays and images on sportsfile showed that he did not, the hurl came from his hand after the ball was struck and as he hit the ground:

http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF897/682424.jpg

I actually commented on that to a few of my friends on Sunday we were astounded, it was the first time I have ever heard him say anything remotely negative about KK, I think though Duignan's hatred for Tipp outweigh's he's admiration for KK, he was invited by our club one time as a guset speaker and made no bones about refusing in he's own words to 'cross the border for love nor money'.

I myself thought maybe it stemmed from the Babs era and all that went with that, but am led to believe it goes back much further than that and a simple misunderstanding in the build up to the '84 AI is to blame for alot of fans from Banagher and surrounding parts dislike for Tipp.

premierstone

TBP wrote: »

There was a good hour or so between the minor and senior game though and as we all know the wind can change like a shot.

I was on the Hill and compared to the lads holding down that big baloon/float thing down the Davin end the lads holding the one down my end were having a an awful time of it, I tought they were going to take off with the balloon at one stage!

Fair enough, I guess thats something you can't really gauge unless you are there, just from the TV pics there didnt seem to be any great shift in the breeze.

Randy Watson

Not surprised to see the usual Kilkenny mouthpieces wheeled out to defend their man. You could set your watch by them.

Blown out of all proportion in my opinion. I'm sure Shefflin has had a lot worse said to his face in the heat of battle. I doubt he will pay the comments any heed. I can see Cody's cheeks getting a little redder though.

The fact the something major is being made out of this shows how banal the quotes that most players come out with these days (not that their are obliged to give insightful quotes)

buck65

Henry should have gone for goal, he bottled it. JJ thinks so , so does Joe.

premierstone

buck65 wrote: »

Henry should have gone for goal, he bottled it. JJ thinks so , so does Joe.

Considering JJ looked like a milk truck turning when he was turned by Canning in the first half, and Joe missed a free that an average club hurler would be dissapointed with missing, are either entitled to criticise or have an opinion

Davin Stand

You are dead right buck65. Henry should have gone for goal. I was more than surprised that he did not.