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Pro12: Ulster vs Munster, Fri 14 Sep 7:05pm; Live on RTÉ2/BBC2NI

  • 11-09-2012 7:27pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Finally, a proper match!

    ULSTER SQUAD FORWARDS (15)
    Rob Herring, Nigel Brady,
    Declan Fitzpatrick, Callum Black, Tom Court, John Afoa,
    Lewis Stevenson, Neil McComb, Johann Muller, Dan Tuohy,
    Mike McComish, Stephen Ferris, Chris Henry, Sean Doyle, Nick Williams
    ULSTER SQUAD BACKS (11)
    Paul Marshall, Michael Heaney,
    Niall O’Connor, Paddy Jackson,
    Luke Marshall, Darren Cave,
    Michael Allen, Craig Gilroy, Andrew Trimble, Peter Nelson, Jared Payne

    Unavailable for selection:
    Rory Best, Paddy McAllister, Tommy Bowe, Roger Wilson, Paddy Wallace, Ruan Pienaar

    Ulster have named a 26 man squad which sees the return of Dan Tuohy and Chris Henry. Of this squad; one lock, one backrow and one outside back will miss out on the matchday 23.


    Normally, Munster's team will be named tomorrow. Conor Murray, Ronan O'Gara and Keith Earls are all set to feature, however according to some papers they'll be on the bench. Given there was no mention of Ryan, O'Mahony and Zebo, one can assume they won't feature.

    This will be first time in a couple of years, outside of last year's HEC quarter final, where strong sides will feature for this fixture. Normally this game is set around the Christmas/New Year period where the internationals are rested as per IRFU policy. It should be very interesting and a further chance for Ulster to stake their claim as the No. 2 province.

    Who will win? 59 votes

    Ulster
    0%
    Munster
    54%
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    Delon Armitage
    45%
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭danthefan


    Munster
    So something like:

    Court, Herring, Afoa, Touhy, Muller, Ferris, Henry, Williams, Marshall, Jackson, Gilroy, Marshall, Cave, Trimble, Payne

    Decent side.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    It'll be a travesty if Lewis Stevenson loses his place that quickly. Can't see Anscombe dropping him until he says Tuohy in action from the bench.
    Something like:

    Court, Herring, Afoa, Muller, Stevenson, Ferris, Doyle, Williams;
    Marshall, Jackson, Trimble, Marshall, Cave, Gilroy, Payne

    Brady, Black, Fitzpatrick, Tuohy, Henry, Heaney, NOC, Allen on the bench.

    Strong Ulster team. Munster don't typically perform in Ravenhill so I can see an Ulster win.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,193 ✭✭✭[Jackass]


    Munster
    Ulster missing about 5 first teamers, not sure how many Munster will be missing. It's a decent Ulster team, there are some weak points though where lads are missing. Will be a good game, first real test Munster, will put things in perspective on how they've started. Hoping for an Ulster win and think they'll shade it. Would be the better result for Leinster too imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,073 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    Munster
    It'll be a travesty if Lewis Stevenson loses his place that quickly. Can't see Anscombe dropping him until he says Tuohy in action from the bench.
    Something like:

    Court, Herring, Afoa, Muller, Stevenson, Ferris, Doyle, Williams;
    Marshall, Jackson, Trimble, Marshall, Cave, Gilroy, Payne

    Brady, Black, Fitzpatrick, Tuohy, Henry, Heaney, NOC, Allen on the bench.

    Strong Ulster team. Munster don't typically perform in Ravenhill so I can see an Ulster win.

    Neil McComb came off the bench against Ospreys and looked mightily impressive so he might start in the boiler house.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,943 ✭✭✭✭phog


    From Munsterrugby.ie

    No WdP, Kilcoyne gets the start.
    Rob Penney today named his Munster 23 for round 3 of the RaboDirect PRO12 against Ulster, while Munster A Head Coach Ian Costello has named his side for their Interpro tie with Ulster Ravens.With no change to the backline Dave Foley makes way for the return of Donncha O'Callaghan in the pack while Dave Kilcoyne and BJ Botha join Damien Varley in the front row.
    Munster play Ulster in Ravenhill at 7.05pm and the Munster A's are in action earlier in the day against Ulster Ravens in Deramore Park at 3pm.

    Niall Ronan who has been out of action since January with cruciate ligament damage is named in the starting line up for the A side. Shannon prop Kevin Griffin is named in the replacments.

    Munster: Denis Hurley; Doug Howlett Capt., Casey Laulala, James Downey, Luke O’Dea; Ian Keatley, Duncan Williams; Dave Kilcoyne, Damien Varley, BJ Botha; Donncha O’Callaghan, Billy Holland; Dave O’Callaghan, Sean Dougall, James Coughlan.

    Replacements: Mike Sherry, Marcus Horan, Stephen Archer, Dave Foley, Tommy O’Donnell, Conor Murray, Ronan O’Gara, Keith Earls.

    Munster A: Sean Scanlon; Ronan O’Mahony, Danny Barnes, JJ Hanrahan, Ivan Dineen; Scott Deasy, Peter Stringer; James Cronin, Sean Henry, Christy Condon; Philip Donnellan, Brian Hayes; Niall Ronan, Barry O’Mahony, Paddy Butler.
    Replacements: Duncan Casey, Kevin Griffin, Alan Cotter, Cathal O’Flaherty, Shane Buckley, Cathal Sheridan, Corey Hircock, Cian Bohane.

    Injury Update: Johne Murphy is recovering after under-going knee scope surgery yesterday


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭Volvic12


    Have to say, quite like the look of the A Squad. Plenty of youngsters their who have the ability to make it into the main team this year. Should be a very competitive squad if Penney allows it to be.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭ormond lad


    Delon Armitage
    Who is kevin griffin? he's on bench for A game?

    EDIT: He's from Kilfeacle, now playing with Shannon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Munster:
    Denis Hurley; Doug Howlett Capt., Casey Laulala, James Downey, Luke O’Dea; Ian Keatley, Duncan Williams;
    Dave Kilcoyne, Damien Varley, BJ Botha; Donncha O’Callaghan, Billy Holland; Dave O’Callaghan, Sean Dougall, James Coughlan.

    Replacements: Mike Sherry, Marcus Horan, Stephen Archer, Dave Foley, Tommy O’Donnell, Conor Murray, Ronan O’Gara, Keith Earls.

    Is WdP injured or rested? If it's the latter, it's a strange game to rest him in given Afoa will probably be at tighthead. Great to see Kilcoyne start at the same time, big chance for him to make himself the definitive backup to du Preez.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,456 ✭✭✭Cpt_Blackbeard


    Is WdP injured or rested? If it's the latter, it's a strange game to rest him in given Afoa will probably be at tighthead. Great to see Kilcoyne start at the same time, big chance for him to make himself the definitive backup to du Preez.

    Hopefully he's just being rested. I'm delighted to see Kilcoyne given the nod; Horan's injury two weeks ago looks to have allowed Kilcoyne jump ahead of him in the pecking order.

    It'll be very interesting to see how Kilcoyne fares against Afoa. If he manages to get somewhere near parity, we'll have the makings of a very good LH on our hands. The backrow battle between DOCII and Ferris should be great too. It'll be another chance to get the measure of one of our youngsters against a top class international.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,193 ✭✭✭[Jackass]


    Munster
    Munster definitely making progress. They've shored up the midfield and have good options there, some good back 3 players, Zebo and Jones improving, Keatley has looked very good so far this season, perhaps spent his summer holidays with ROG, O'Mahony emerging in back-row and Dougal looks like a very shrewd signing, young, IQ and massively abrasive and good props, all be it NIQ. If players keep improving, they could be a threat this season or next.

    Their real problem or weakness imo is the defensive system. If they had a rock solid defence then their stock would rise ten fold.

    Not happy. :p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    Hmm...interesting selections. Great to see Kilcoyne get a start in a big match like this, hopefully he can prove himself. Same with LOD.

    Williams gets one last chance to prove himself, I'd have liked to see Murray play tbh and I thought that Stringer looked good enough off the bench the last day, definitely sped things up a bit.

    Should be a good game. Big test for Keatley too, I suppose.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭theKramer


    Id like to see Keatley with Murray for at least 20 minutes before ROG is brought on...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭finatron


    [Jackass] wrote: »
    Munster definitely making progress. They've shored up the midfield and have good options there, some good back 3 players, Zebo and Jones improving, Keatley has looked very good so far this season, perhaps spent his summer holidays with ROG, O'Mahony emerging in back-row and Dougal looks like a very shrewd signing, young, IQ and massively abrasive and good props, all be it NIQ. If players keep improving, they could be a threat this season or next.

    Their real problem or weakness imo is the defensive system. If they had a rock solid defence then their stock would rise ten fold.

    Not happy. :p

    Munster's defensive is looking much better i think it won the Edinburgh game




  • re:Kilcoyne, this is a test indeed, but it should not be a marker. Remember Cian Healy getting shamed against Toulouse? There's an awful lot of scope for scrummaging improvement in someone of Kilcoyne's experience. If he holds himself well, he will impress, but if he gets torn apart (unlikely) it simply means he's not ready 'yet', I wouldn't write him off on the back of it though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭totallegend


    re:Kilcoyne, this is a test indeed, but it should not be a marker. Remember Cian Healy getting shamed against Toulouse? There's an awful lot of scope for scrummaging improvement in someone of Kilcoyne's experience. If he holds himself well, he will impress, but if he gets torn apart (unlikely) it simply means he's not ready 'yet', I wouldn't write him off on the back of it though.

    I don't know a whole lot about Kilcoyne; how would his work in the loose compare with others LHs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    re:Kilcoyne, this is a test indeed, but it should not be a marker. Remember Cian Healy getting shamed against Toulouse? There's an awful lot of scope for scrummaging improvement in someone of Kilcoyne's experience. If he holds himself well, he will impress, but if he gets torn apart (unlikely) it simply means he's not ready 'yet', I wouldn't write him off on the back of it though.

    I don't know a whole lot about Kilcoyne; how would his work in the loose compare with others LHs?
    He's very good in the loose but questionable in the scrums


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,902 ✭✭✭budhabob


    Delon Armitage
    He's very good in the loose but questionable in the scrums

    To be fair he hasnt looked under too bad in most scrums to date, he's held his own in most.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,902 ✭✭✭budhabob


    Delon Armitage
    ULSTER (v Munster): J Payne; A Trimble, D Cave, L Marshall, M Allen; P Jackson, P Marshall; T Court, N Brady, J Afoa, J Muller ©, L Stevenson, S Ferris, S Doyle, N Williams.

    Replacements: R Herring, C Black, D Fitzpatrick, N McComb, M McComish, M Heaney, P Nelson, C Gilroy.

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/rugby/all-change-for-ulster-566760.html

    Strong enough Ulster Side. Ferris and Williams make a very physical back row.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Nigel Brady plays and Michael Allen keeps his place!

    Anscombe is a bit like Schmidt with his random selections.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Henry and Tuohy line out for the As instead, cheers Mark! :D

    Although you didn't start NOC at 10, which disappoints...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,669 ✭✭✭who_me


    Big test for Munster, too early IMO. I'd be massively impressed if they come away with the win.

    I'd like to see Keatley given more time with Murray (or even Stringer). Williams has been given a decent amount of gametime, and hasn't impressed at all, IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    Strong side...but it could have been even more intimidating.

    Afoa will be a massive test at scrum-time for Kilcoyne. Ferris will be the comfortably the standout forward on the field, and it'll be a very big Ulster backrow...big test for the likes of DOC2, and it'll be Dougall's first outing against such a strong side.

    Half-back pairings are both interesting, obviously Jackson is comfortably better than NOC but he's not the finished article yet. Keatley's done well enough so far, hopefully he'll get time with Murray.

    I reckon we actually have the upper hand in the outside backs (even if it is very close) and we have Earls to come in and make an impression too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭sixy


    Munster
    Anscombe fed up of NOC already with Nelson on bench for fullback and payne to 10 if required? Interesting selection.

    Surprised Henry and Tuohy didnt make bench but McComb and McCormish played well so far. Surprised Gilroy dropped as well, maybe he will realise he has to tackle or maybe MA just wants some firepower of the bench


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Bah, I thought my bet was safe when Henry and Touhy were named in the squad. Presumably there's some cobwebs needing clearing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,943 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Interesting that he has chosen Allen ahead of Gilroy, maybe it being a home game he decided to try Allen.

    Either way it's strong team and I fear Ferris and Nick Williams in the back row. Good test for Dave O'D & Dougall and huge test for Kilcoyne, hope he doesn't have a game like he did in TP against the Ospreys.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 607 ✭✭✭ed7890


    phog wrote: »
    Interesting that he has chosen Allen ahead of Gilroy, maybe it being a home game he decided to try Allen.

    Either way it's strong team and I fear Ferris and Nick Williams in the back row. Good test for Dave O'D & Dougall and huge test for Kilcoyne, hope he doesn't have a game like he did in TP against the Ospreys.

    What game was that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭Tox56


    phog wrote: »
    Interesting that he has chosen Allen ahead of Gilroy, maybe it being a home game he decided to try Allen.

    Either way it's strong team and I fear Ferris and Nick Williams in the back row. Good test for Dave O'D & Dougall and huge test for Kilcoyne, hope he doesn't have a game like he did in TP against the Ospreys.

    Also (as suggested above) I think Anscombe probably wants someone on the bench who can come on and change the game, and also combat the fact Munster have Earls on their bench.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,943 ✭✭✭✭phog


    ed7890 wrote: »
    What game was that?

    Sorry, that was Archer :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,874 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Munster
    sixy wrote: »
    Anscombe fed up of NOC already with Nelson on bench for fullback and payne to 10 if required? Interesting selection.

    Surprised Henry and Tuohy didnt make bench but McComb and McCormish played well so far. Surprised Gilroy dropped as well, maybe he will realise he has to tackle or maybe MA just wants some firepower of the bench

    Has Payne ever played 10 in NZ? I'd say Luke Marshall is more likely to be the back up 10. Gilroy got shown up for the Glasgow try the other week but you have to remember he was coming from the other side of the pitch and therefore Seymopur was always going to have the momentum to step him, but still a top top international would expect to make that tackle and maybe that's why he hasn't quite made the grade yet with Ireland....although I don't think any of Ireland's current back three players are great tacklers either...

    Anyway tonight will be a good test of both sides depth as they're missing players and important players. In fact I'm a bit surprised Munster fans aren't more confident given the players Ulster are missing. Best, Henry, Pienaar and Wallace are particularly significant losses as they were arguably our four most important players last season! Also Munster have some firepower on the bench in Murray, O'Gara and Earls, if it's close with 20 minutes to go I'd fancy Munster will sneak it.

    I think we're marginal favourites because we're at home but it's going to be very close.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,592 ✭✭✭GerM


    bilston wrote: »
    Has Payne ever played 10 in NZ? I'd say Luke Marshall is more likely to be the back up 10.

    Pretty sure he hasn't. I'd expect Marshall to be the back up if required although I'm sure some gringos have better insight than me. He's a decent enough option there but a lack of exposure at 10 will hurt him if it comes to pass. I think the game will be decided by the respective outhalves and back rows. Back rows give outhalves their opportunities. Whichever 6-10 can win the collisions and provide scoring opportunities for their half backs will win. I'd fancy Ulster to sneak it by a score. I think Williams and Ferris will have just too much power in the tank for Munster. Stevenson is the Irish player of the season (after only 2 weeks admittedly) and is undeservedly underrated. He'll give them a big collision winner from lock also.

    Tonight is a big opportunity for PJ to put his hand up. IK was the Wolfhounds starting outhalf last season. If PJ can overshadow him, he's in with a great chance of getting a call up for the squad that will face Fiji.

    Really looking forward to this one. Games like this really show that the efforts of the past couple of years by the IRFU and provinces are paying off. Two outhalves that aren't ROG or Sexton or Dr. Dave. Irish qualified looseheads. Irish tightheads on the bench but guys that have done well this season and one that showed up well in NZ of all places. Young Irish backs all over the place. Bodes well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,874 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Munster
    GerM wrote: »
    Pretty sure he hasn't. I'd expect Marshall to be the back up if required although I'm sure some gringos have better insight than me. He's a decent enough option there but a lack of exposure at 10 will hurt him if it comes to pass. I think the game will be decided by the respective outhalves and back rows. Back rows give outhalves their opportunities. Whichever 6-10 can win the collisions and provide scoring opportunities for their half backs will win. I'd fancy Ulster to sneak it by a score. I think Williams and Ferris will have just too much power in the tank for Munster. Stevenson is the Irish player of the season (after only 2 weeks admittedly) and is undeservedly underrated. He'll give them a big collision winner from lock also.

    Tonight is a big opportunity for PJ to put his hand up. IK was the Wolfhounds starting outhalf last season. If PJ can overshadow him, he's in with a great chance of getting a call up for the squad that will face Fiji.

    Really looking forward to this one. Games like this really show that the efforts of the past couple of years by the IRFU and provinces are paying off. Two outhalves that aren't ROG or Sexton or Dr. Dave. Irish qualified looseheads. Irish tightheads on the bench but guys that have done well this season and one that showed up well in NZ of all places. Young Irish backs all over the place. Bodes well.

    I've never seen Marshall play 10 myself but I think he played there quite a bit for Ballymena last season...when he was fit...

    Yes it is an intriguing battle tonight. Hopefully we'll see some big performances from the youngsters on both sides but it could be someone like Muller or Ferris that makes the difference for Ulster or ROG or Earls for Munster from the bench.

    It's pretty blustery up here with some showers about at the moment so that might affect the match later, I hope not because both sides are playing attractive rugby and it would be good to see an open free flowing game of rugby.

    Edit - Doyle vs Dougall will be an interesting tussle. An Ulsterman up against an Aussie...!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Munster
    bilston wrote: »
    I've never seen Marshall play 10 myself but I think he played there quite a bit for Ballymena last season...when he was fit...
    saw him play there for the combined provinces team when aviva stadium was just opening




  • saw him play there for the combined provinces team when aviva stadium was just opening

    it was PJ at 10, and then Cathal Marsh.

    Luke played 12.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Munster
    it was PJ at 10, and then Cathal Marsh.

    Luke played 12.

    coulda sworn he played 10 that night, my mistake


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    it was PJ at 10, and then Cathal Marsh.

    Luke played 12.

    coulda sworn he played 10 that night, my mistake
    He played 12 but he ran the show


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,874 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Munster
    He played 12 but he ran the show

    Mention of this match made me look up that Ulster/Leinster side, it's interesting to see the progress these guys have made in the last two years...inevitably I know more about the Ulster players but in general they seem to have made the most progress...maybe through Ulster's greater need...

    15 Sam Coghlan Murray (Leinster)
    14 Craig Gilroy (Ulster) - closing in on 50 caps for Ulster, played for Ireland against the Barbarians, played in a HEC final.
    13 Alex Kelly (Leinster)
    12 Luke Marshall (Ulster) Captain - beginning to nail down a spot in the Ulster team
    11 Andrew Boyle (Leinster) - scored a lot of tries for the Irish U20s, where is he now?
    10 Paddy Jackson (Ulster) - now 1st choice Ulster out half, played in a Heineken Cup Final
    9 Peter du Toit (Leinster) - I always thought this guy looked a decent player, where is he now?

    1 James Tracy (Leinster) - didn't he play in the recent U20 WC or am I confusing him with someone else?
    2 Jonny Murphy (Ulster)
    3 Martin Moore (Leinster) - impressive for Ire U20s, until injury, how's he going now?
    4 Iain Henderson (Ulster) - has a couple of Ulster caps now, was very impressive for the Irish U20s

    5 Robert Hynes (Leinster)
    6 Steven Lecky (Ulster) - went to Uni outside of NI (Glasgow maybe?), not sure where he is now, but he was a terrific prospect at schoolboy level.
    7 Mark McGroarty (Leinster)
    8 David McGuigan (Ulster) - struggled with injuries, plays for 'Hinch I believe
    Replacements
    16 Paddy Carroll (Leinster)
    17 Andy Warrick (Ulster)
    18 Mark Fallon (Leinster)
    19 Paddy Marks (Ulster)
    20 Conor Spence (Ulster) - always looked a better 9 to me than McIlroy or Heaney but never even made the Ulster Academy as far as I know
    21 Cathal Marsh (Leinster) - Leinster A player now?
    22 Michael McAuley (Ulster) - gets the odd game for the Ulster Ravens


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz


    bilston wrote: »
    11 Andrew Boyle (Leinster) - scored a lot of tries for the Irish U20s, where is he now?
    Still in the Leinster Academy. Unlikely to progress to the senior side if you ask me. He's talented, but the competition at Leinster is too strong.
    9 Peter du Toit (Leinster) - I always thought this guy looked a decent player, where is he now?
    Playing rugby down in Perth, don't know if he still is or not.
    1 James Tracy (Leinster) - didn't he play in the recent U20 WC or am I confusing him with someone else?
    He played two years ago, and was very good. Still in the Leinster Academy.
    3 Martin Moore (Leinster) - impressive for Ire U20s, until injury, how's he going now?
    Very well. He's got 3 senior appearances, in all 3 he looked impressive. Should be one for the future.

    If I remember correctly, Gilroy got the first ever try in the new Lansdowne, and look at him now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,592 ✭✭✭GerM


    Of the Leinster contingent from the starting side, Bilston:

    SCM: In the Leinster academy. Contracted meningitis last year which badly affected his year but he's on the road to recovery. Might prove detrimental in the long run as he has never caught the eye as much since.
    Andrew Boyle: Leinster academy. Looks decent and has a real nose for the line. Showed up well in the senior pre-season games. Might get a run this season in the Pro12.
    Alex Kelly: Very talented lad but I heard he became a bit miffed with rugby overall and didn't fancy the pro game. Finishing off in college and playing AIL for UCD alongside SCM and Boyle. Was a talented lad that kept Macken out of the Irish U20 side at times.
    James Tracy: In the academy also. He's a talented bloke but going to have his work seriously cut out for him given the young Irish looseheads already there and one of the Byrne twins coming up behind him.
    Martin Moore: Big hope at tighthead went on to be a serious player at U20 level. Had a serious injury ahead of the JWC that cost him his summer but allowed Furlong to take his spot. Has already make two senior appearances this season and looked comfortable in both at scrum and in open play.
    Robert Hynes: Was playing in UCD last I heard. Didn't make it.
    Mark McGroarty: As above.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭Quint2010


    Delon Armitage
    As a neutral really looking forward to this game now. Wouldnt not put it past Munster to sneak a victory.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,354 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Is this game on radio anywhere or just TV? I'll be out and about at this time, be nice to listen in...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,619 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    Nice of BBC to file the article for this game under Welsh rugby.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/19574979

    Come on BBC, your televising it on BBCNI, get your **** together.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,193 ✭✭✭[Jackass]


    Munster
    Hagz wrote: »
    If I remember correctly, Gilroy got the first ever try in the new Lansdowne, and look at him now.

    Du Toit is gone?? That's a shame, thought he looked very promising. Was he in the academy proper or just on development?

    I suppose with Cooney and McGrath coming through, it's not the end of the world.

    Coughlan-Murray was one I was really hoping to see break through, seems to be behind Hudson though in the pecking order. I saw him before his illness, he reminded me a lot of Shane Williams, nippy, steppy little fecker who could run a circle around you in a phone box. Would love if he developed into the senior side.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz


    [Jackass] wrote: »
    Du Toit is gone?? That's a shame, thought he looked very promising. Was he in the academy proper or just on development?

    I think he's only playing in Perth for a year, he might be finished. I know that he's doing a degree in UCD, so he'll probably be playing AIL. Was never in the Academy, probably the sub-academy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Munster
    Hagz wrote: »
    I think he's only playing in Perth for a year, he might be finished. I know that he's doing a degree in UCD, so he'll probably be playing AIL. Was never in the Academy, probably the sub-academy.
    a year in SA with the sharks (U21 currie cup) and now a year in Perth

    He is getting the international experience


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 503 ✭✭✭Brendan97


    Munster
    bilston wrote: »
    Mention of this match made me look up that Ulster/Leinster side, it's interesting to see the progress these guys have made in the last two years...inevitably I know more about the Ulster players but in general they seem to have made the most progress...maybe through Ulster's greater need...

    15 Sam Coghlan Murray (Leinster)
    14 Craig Gilroy (Ulster) - closing in on 50 caps for Ulster, played for Ireland against the Barbarians, played in a HEC final.
    13 Alex Kelly (Leinster)
    12 Luke Marshall (Ulster) Captain - beginning to nail down a spot in the Ulster team
    11 Andrew Boyle (Leinster) - scored a lot of tries for the Irish U20s, where is he now?
    10 Paddy Jackson (Ulster) - now 1st choice Ulster out half, played in a Heineken Cup Final
    9 Peter du Toit (Leinster) - I always thought this guy looked a decent player, where is he now?

    1 James Tracy (Leinster) - didn't he play in the recent U20 WC or am I confusing him with someone else?
    2 Jonny Murphy (Ulster)
    3 Martin Moore (Leinster) - impressive for Ire U20s, until injury, how's he going now?
    4 Iain Henderson (Ulster) - has a couple of Ulster caps now, was very impressive for the Irish U20s

    5 Robert Hynes (Leinster)
    6 Steven Lecky (Ulster) - went to Uni outside of NI (Glasgow maybe?), not sure where he is now, but he was a terrific prospect at schoolboy level.
    7 Mark McGroarty (Leinster)
    8 David McGuigan (Ulster) - struggled with injuries, plays for 'Hinch I believe
    Replacements
    16 Paddy Carroll (Leinster)
    17 Andy Warrick (Ulster)
    18 Mark Fallon (Leinster)
    19 Paddy Marks (Ulster)
    20 Conor Spence (Ulster) - always looked a better 9 to me than McIlroy or Heaney but never even made the Ulster Academy as far as I know
    21 Cathal Marsh (Leinster) - Leinster A player now?
    22 Michael McAuley (Ulster) - gets the odd game for the Ulster Ravens

    Loved reading this :) i remember the game but i forgot the players, really interesting:D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Yep, that was the day I bought Luke Marshall PJ's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭eyeball kid


    Does anyone know if this is on the radio anywhere? Thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Munster
    Does anyone know if this is on the radio anywhere? Thanks.

    don't think so


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭ongarite


    Jesus, Hook won't shut up about ROG already.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Is the kick off delayed or something?


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