New Heating Controls - Best Brands

kk09

I'm upgrading the heating system at home to 3 zone. I the market for (i reckon):
1) 2No. 3/4" valves
2) 2No. Room Stats
3) 1No. Cylinder Stat
4) 3 channel control time clock
There is an existing valve on the heating which is a Myson - have looked into these and seems they do all but the 3 channel time clock - Are these a good brand - any suggestions on others.

shane0007

kk09 wrote: »

I'm upgrading the heating system at home to 3 zone. I the market for (i reckon):
1) 2No. 3/4" valves
2) 2No. Room Stats
3) 1No. Cylinder Stat
4) 3 channel control time clock
There is an existing valve on the heating which is a Myson - have looked into these and seems they do all but the 3 channel time clock - Are these a good brand - any suggestions on others.

1. Myson valves are best.
2. Horstmann digital. (stay away from their motorised valves though)
3. Any really
4. Horstmann H37XL

kk09

shane0007 wrote: »

1. Myson valves are best.
2. Horstmann digital. (stay away from their motorised valves though)
3. Any really
4. Horstmann H37XL

Wasn't too pushed about the digital room stats, but might have a look. Where is the best place for the stat downstairs - would it be okay under a Kitchen Wall Unit, not on the vertical? Who sells Horstmann?

shane0007

kk09 wrote: »

Wasn't too pushed about the digital room stats, but might have a look. Where is the best place for the stat downstairs - would it be okay under a Kitchen Wall Unit, not on the vertical? Who sells Horstmann?

I Would not put a stat in the kitchen, as when you are cooking, the kitchen will be warm and may turn off the heating for the zone. Best place is an average heat area such as a hallway downstairs and the master bedroom upstairs.

If by your title you are in Kilkenny, then Horstmann digital stat buy in Heatmerchants along with Myson valves but the H37XL, buy in Kellihers Electrical.

kk09

shane0007 wrote: »

I Would not put a stat in the kitchen, as when you are cooking, the kitchen will be warm and may turn off the heating for the zone. Best place is an average heat area such as a hallway downstairs and the master bedroom upstairs.

If by your title you are in Kilkenny, then Horstmann digital stat buy in Heatmerchants along with Myson valves but the H37XL, buy in Kellihers Electrical.

Not from KK, but there is a heat merchants near. The hall downstairs is usually cold as heat going upstairs - Was thinking the kitchen because we are in there 80% of time - could do two thermo stats and put it on a switch (second in Sitting Rm.) Thanks.

Why go to Kellihers for H37Xl? Thanks for help

shane0007

You can also buy the H37XL in Heatmerchants but they charge €110 + VAT whereas Kellihers charge €90 + VAT, hence why I said go there.

I Woukd also not put the stat in the living room. Fire on or many people in the room can also give unwanted changes for the stat. Hall is best, cold or not. Insulate the attic, especially the hatch door and draught proof the hatch as it will act as a vacuum of heat from the downstairs hall.

spireland32

kk09 wrote: »

shane0007 wrote: »

1. Myson valves are best.
2. Horstmann digital. (stay away from their motorised valves though)
3. Any really
4. Horstmann H37XL

Wasn't too pushed about the digital room stats, but might have a look. Where is the best place for the stat downstairs - would it be okay under a Kitchen Wall Unit, not on the vertical? Who sells Horstmann?

Great shout on the motorized valves... they are a disaster. I like the sunvic valves haven't given me any trouble.

kk09

Any toughts on the wireless 3 zone packs that can be bought. What are the benifits.

shane0007

spireland32 wrote: »

Great shout on the motorized valves... they are a disaster. I like the sunvic valves haven't given me any trouble.

That's funny! I have fitted absolute 100's of them and I could honestly say I have replaced less than a handful of them. I would fit nothing else.

shane0007

kk09 wrote: »

Any toughts on the wireless 3 zone packs that can be bought. What are the benifits.

If you are going wireless make sure you choose 868Hz and the cheaper 4**Hz (can't remember the exact frequency). The 868 uses pulse signals and must be to a higher standard that of the 4*** and is the same as that is used in hospitals. It cannot be a continuous signal so can be much stronger on pulse and therefore more accurate.

You will still require a good bit of hard wiring anyhow, so if at all possible I would hard wire the lot. You can then guarantee no interference, no batteries and more reliable.

kk09

shane0007 wrote: »

You will still require a good bit of hard wiring anyhow, so if at all possible I would hard wire the lot. You can then guarantee no interference, no batteries and more reliable.

Only problem i think on wiring will be the downstairs stat. All masonary.

spireland32

[/QUOTE]That's funny! I have fitted absolute 100's of them and I could honestly say I have replaced less than a handful of them. I would fit nothing else.[/Quote]

You said stay away from the hortsmann mini valves in your 1st reply which I was agreeing with. They are branded as heatmerchants aswell and in my experience with them they are brutal. Id say I fitted approx 20 of them and replaced 6 or 7 in a short space of time.

Sunvic on the other hand, have fitted a huge amount of them in the last 10yrs and have given no trouble.

shane0007

Sorry I read your post wrong. I thought you meant that Myson valves were a disaster. Apologies.

kk09

Think I'm there so lads, thanks. Will go with the hard wire option, with myson everything except the programmer (horstmann). Not sure what room stats to go with but that is small decision. A bit of cabling and some wiring centres and junction boxes and sur I'll chance it;). Any final advice?

shane0007

Just make sure there is a neutral to the room stats. Are you a sparks, boiler technician or DIYer?

shane0007

You will also require an automatic bypass valve installed? Make sure all system parameters are not compromised also.

kk09

shane0007 wrote: »

Just make sure there is a neutral to the room stats. Are you a sparks, boiler technician or DIYer?

A chancer DIYer. father is a sparks for the most part and i've a good idea of the plumbing side.

kk09

shane0007 wrote: »

You will also require an automatic bypass valve installed? Make sure all system parameters are not compromised also.

That was bothering me, but i came to the conclusion the pump would pump water out the overflow and draw from the supply tank, likely causing some overflow from the tank over my back door. And no harm to the pump. None of the schematics I picked up from the internet show a bypass.

I can't imagine the original plumber had significant parameters which might be comprimised. It is a basic gravity system.

shane0007

You should still install an ABV.

Also be careful when zoning that each circuit when operating has access to the f & e and the osvp. I could see this ending in tears!

kk09

shane0007 wrote: »

You should still install an ABV.

Also be careful when zoning that each circuit when operating has access to the f & e and the osvp. I could see this ending in tears!

Wow, somethin just flew over my head.

shane0007

Sorry, it was sort of meant to! Just wanted you to realise that there is a bit more to it than chucking in a couple of zone valves, etc. and you have a perfectly zoned system, especially on an open vented system. You must have a decent eye to foresee potential problems, risks and other criteria to have an operable and safe system.

It is all well and good to offer advise on the overall basics on a forum but one examination of the actual installation by a trained and experienced eye may show up many more considerations, so just beware. It is why this trade exists as a trade!

kk09

shane0007 wrote: »

Sorry, it was sort of meant to! Just wanted you to realise that there is a bit more to it than chucking in a couple of zone valves, etc. and you have a perfectly zoned system, especially on an open vented system. You must have a decent eye to foresee potential problems, risks and other criteria to have an operable and safe system.

It is all well and good to offer advise on the overall basics on a forum but one examination of the actual installation by a trained and experienced eye may show up many more considerations, so just beware. It is why this trade exists as a trade!

Fair enough, but i chanced plumbing the house myself so i'm sure i'll manage that side and as for the wirin between myself and the father we should not break anything. Thanks for the help lads.

kk09

How about Sauter. Are these reliable?

DoneDL

kk09 wrote: »

How about Sauter. Are these reliable?

Yes and they come with a 5 year warranty.

Outkast_IRE

kk09 wrote: »

How about Sauter. Are these reliable?

Sauter are my favourite i use them all the time never had any issues.