Cineworld dublin screen 17 being rebranded as IMAX again

CMpunked

Off their facebook news feed:

Did you know our screen 17 used to be an IMAX screen? Did you also know it shall be again? Cineworld are bringing IMAX to Dublin!

krudler

real IMAX?

CMpunked

Not sure. I'd love it to be full imax.
Seen TDKR in manchester over the summer and was blown away. If it was that size then I would live in it!

jaykhunter

I was in screen 17 today. It's a lovely screen but it'd want to be a lot bigger before calling it iMAX! I REALLY, REALLY HOPE that Cineworld are getting a proper iMAX screen, as everytime a big movie comes out I consider going to England but ultimately just leave it. The iSense is a bit of a half-assed excuse to be honest, if there's a proper imax in Dublin, that's gonna get my patronage from then on.

krudler

I'd make the trips up for big IMAX stuff for sure, it sucks that we had an IMAX screen back when it was all documentaries and the odd feature and now the tech is being used so much more its gone.

Turtyturd

First up.....Dark Knight Rises re-release.

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If it is going to be real IMAX, first thing I would buy is an unlimited card

Galvasean

flowrider04 wrote: »

If it is going to be real IMAX, first thing I would buy is an unlimited card

Rumour has it this new fangled premium card will be for use with IMAX. That'd be nice.

Sad Professor

It'll definitely be Digital IMAX. Whether it will also be capable of 70mm IMAX (with a screen size to match) remains to be seen. I seriously doubt it. It would be a terrible investment. Those "true" IMAX screens are far too large and impractical for 99.9 percent of films. The BFI IMAX in London only uses half the screen most of the time. Plus it would mean Cineworld having to *shock horror* (re-)hire a projectionist!

Now that Nolan's Batman trilogy is finished, 70mm IMAX will be quickly forgotten about. There's no point having a giant, square IMAX screen if you don't have extremely high resolution content to project onto it. Watching a 70mm blowup of a film shot on 35mm or (worse) digital has all the benefits of watching an upscaled DVD.

S.M.B.

Sad Professor wrote: »

It'll definitely be Digital IMAX. Whether it will also be capable of 70mm IMAX (with a screen size to match) remains to be seen. I seriously doubt it. It would be a terrible investment. Those "true" IMAX screens are far too large and impractical for 99.9 percent of films. The BFI IMAX in London only uses half the screen most of the time. Plus it would mean Cineworld having to *shock horror* (re-)hire a projectionist!

Now that Nolan's Batman trilogy is finished, 70mm IMAX will be quickly forgotten about. There's no point having a giant, square IMAX screen if you don't have extremely high resolution content to project onto it. Watching a 70mm blowup of a film shot on 35mm or (worse) digital has all the benefits of watching an upscaled DVD.

I was surprisingly impressed with the up-scaling job they did for the Skyfall trailer that preceded The Dark Knight Rises to the extent that I'll go out of my way to catch it on IMAX and I'm not a Bond fan at all.

It obviously doesn't rival a film shot on 15/70mm film but it's a sizeable enough market at the moment.

Sad Professor

I'd be very sceptical about the advantages of Skyfall in 70mm IMAX. It was shot on digital so I think Digital IMAX would probably be the best way to see it, even if it means a smaller screen.

Phony Scott

Another thing Cineworld needs to bring back is the old listing screens, the new ones are awful and confusing.

Galvasean

Phony Scott wrote: »

Another thing Cineworld needs to bring back is the old listing screens, the new ones are awful and confusing.

Plus, is it just me or are the colours on those screens sore on the eyes?

Benzino

Turtyturd wrote: »

First up.....Dark Knight Rises re-release.

I think they said at the MovieFest that the Hobbit will be the first movie to be shown on it.

S.M.B.

Sad Professor wrote: »

I'd be very sceptical about the advantages of Skyfall in 70mm IMAX. It was shot on digital so I think Digital IMAX would probably be the best way to see it, even if it means a smaller screen.

Like I said, I was pleasntly surprised by the trailer, enough to make me go check it out there out of interest at least. The BFI have just installed a new digital projector so they can make the most of when there's no 15/70mm film doing the rounds.

Actually, might go check out the Raiders of the Lost Ark restoration instead and report back.

Guy:Incognito

What size was the IMAX screen there before?

Have they room for a full proper IMAX screen without getting the builders in and raising the roof? If not I'd say that answers the question on whether it will actually be IMAX.

Sad Professor

It was my understanding that UGC (now Cineworld) converted the whole building when they bought Sheridan out. I was never in the old IMAX, so I don't know the exact measurements, but it was definitely IMAX size: 50-60 feet high. Screen 17 would be less than half as tall, not nearly big enough for 70mm IMAX, but the perfect size for Digital IMAX.

Bullseye1

If true I personally think its good news. I attended a number of screenings at the original IMAX there. It wasn't anywhere near as big as the the ones I've attended in the US but it was still pretty impressive.

CMpunked

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Have they room for a full proper IMAX screen without getting the builders in and raising the roof?

It is my understanding that is exactly what they are doing.

Guy:Incognito

CMpunked wrote: »

It is my understanding that is exactly what they are doing.

Excellent. I very much want to see more IMAX movies having seen TDKR.

Sleepy

Turtyturd wrote: »

First up.....Dark Knight Rises re-release.

Surely it'd be Batman Begins first!?

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Chatted to one of the Managers today at Movie Fest about the IMAX conversion and he said it will be Digital IMAX. He also said that they will be doing some construction work to the building (mostly the roof) so they can get a bigger screen in, but will not be anyway near the original IMAX screen that was first installed. They will not be removing Screen 3 & 4 which was converted from the original IMAX screen Also said that Screen 17 will be closed for 2 months.

But hey looks like Dublin will get an official IMAX Screen

Guy:Incognito

flowrider04 wrote: »

Chatted to one of the Managers today at Movie Fest about the IMAX conversion and he said it will be Digital IMAX. He also said that they will be doing some construction work to the building (mostly the roof) so they can get a bigger screen in, but will not be anyway near the original IMAX screen that was first installed. Also said that Screen 17 will be closed for 2 months.

:mad::(

CMpunked

flowrider04 wrote: »

Chatted to one of the Managers today at Movie Fest about the IMAX conversion and he said it will be Digital IMAX. He also said that they will be doing some construction work to the building (mostly the roof) so they can get a bigger screen in, but will not be anyway near the original IMAX screen that was first installed. They will not be removing Screen 3 & 4 which was converted from the original IMAX screen Also said that Screen 17 will be closed for 2 months.

But hey looks like Dublin will get an official IMAX Screen

Did they say how high it should be?

Whats the difference in digital imax and 'standard'?

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CMpunked wrote: »

Did they say how high it should be?

Whats the difference in digital imax and 'standard'?

He didn't say how high it was going to be

Say Sad Professor will be along to explain the differences

Sad Professor

CMpunked wrote: »

Whats the difference in digital imax and 'standard'?

70mm "real" IMAX = celluloid, extremely high resolution, projected onto a very tall square screen. A unique cinematic experience, but totally impractical for nearly every film ever made due to the aspect ratio. Only four or five mainstream feature films have been shot using the 70mm IMAX format, and even then only partially. The old IMAX theatre in Dublin screened nature documentaries because they had nothing else. 35mm or digitally-shot films can be converted or blown up to 70mm IMAX, but the benefits are questionable.

Digital "fake" IMAX = digital, 2k resolution, projected onto a slightly larger than ordinary size screen, often with the seats pushed closer to make it seem more immersive. A fairly ordinary cinematic experience held to a very high standard. It's considered a watered down version of old IMAX or even a con by many people. But most of the time when you hear about "IMAX" these days, this is what is being referred to. Nearly all the big films are being released this way.

CMpunked

Sad Professor wrote: »

Digital "fake" IMAX = digital, 2k resolution, projected onto a slightly larger than ordinary size screen, often with the seats pushed closer to make it seem more immersive. A fairly ordinary cinematic experience held to a very high standard. It's considered a watered down version of old IMAX or even a con by many people. But most of the time when you hear about "IMAX" these days, this is what is being referred to. Nearly all the big films are being released this way.

So there would be no specific size to digital imax?

Sad Professor

CMpunked wrote: »

So there would be no specific size to digital imax?

No, no more than there is for 70mm IMAX. But it's generally larger than average.

CMpunked

Sad Professor wrote: »

No, no more than there is for 70mm IMAX. But it's generally larger than average.

either way, i'm excited. I hope it lives up to the hype in my head.
Although I've been told my friends in manchester that the odeon imax there is like one of the biggest in europe, so i think i'm going to have to lower my standards a little.

jaykhunter

Is 2k resolution the new standard for new films digitally released these days? I thought Real IMAX was in the ballpark of 8000p?

S.M.B.

jaykhunter wrote: »

Is 2k resolution the new standard for new films digitally released these days? I thought Real IMAX was in the ballpark of 8000p?

4k would be the most recent standard now but it would only be available in a small number of UK and Irish cinemas.

johnny_ultimate

Most digital cinema these days show at 2k. Note the big hype that the Hobbit will be in 4k. In selected cinemas, of course.

I wouldn't get hopes up that this is going to be anything other than a really big screen. As Prof said, proper IMAX is in limbo at the moment after TDKR, so would be a silly time to invest in such an impractical setup.

So to all extents and purposes they're basically making Screen 17 bigger.

belmulletman

I was surprized to find out how much different that something called iMax can actually be.
Here's an image of the different size screens in the UK - http://twitpic.com/at3fz7/full

I'd be interested in seeing the details that Cineworld release as to the specifics of the screen / tech being used!

Sad Professor

belmulletman wrote: »

I was surprized to find out how much different that something called iMax can actually be.
Here's an image of the different size screens in the UK - http://twitpic.com/at3fz7/full

I'd be interested in seeing the details that Cineworld release as to the specifics of the screen / tech being used!

Only the top 5 in that image are "true" IMAX screens. The rest are regular size cinema screens, i.e. "fake" IMAX. As it current stands, Screen 17 in Cineworld would be about the same size as the smallest screen in that image. As you can see, Cineworld would have to do a lot more than raise the roof to fit a true IMAX screen in there. They'd probably have to add two extra floors to the building.

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Sad Professor wrote: »

Only the top 5 in that image are "true" IMAX screens. The rest are regular size cinema screens, i.e. "fake" IMAX. As it current stands, Screen 17 in Cineworld would be about the same size as the smallest screen in that image. As you can see, Cineworld would have to do a lot more than raise the roof to fit a true IMAX screen in there. They'd probably have to add two extra floors to the building.

I did ask the question would they be removing Screen 3 & 4 and was told no. They are also trying to make as little dent in the current building. So
I'm leaning towards more "Fake" IMAX.

maximoose

I've never managed to get to an IMAX cinema, so this is good news to me even if it isn't the full thing and I'm looking forward to it

Wonder what the pricing on tickets will be like....

Mitch Connor

Sad Professor wrote: »

Digital "fake" IMAX = digital, 2k resolution, projected onto a slightly larger than ordinary size screen, often with the seats pushed closer to make it seem more immersive. A fairly ordinary cinematic experience held to a very high standard. It's considered a watered down version of old IMAX or even a con by many people. But most of the time when you hear about "IMAX" these days, this is what is being referred to. Nearly all the big films are being released this way.

So would Veu (I think) and Dungarvan offer a better experience with the new 4k projectors, rather than a 2k Imax digital? (obviously I mean when showing movies shot in 4k - TDKR for example)

Sad Professor

Mitch Connor wrote: »

So would Veu (I think) and Dungarvan offer a better experience with the new 4k projectors, rather than a 2k Imax digital? (obviously I mean when showing movies shot in 4k - TDKR for example)

Potentially, yes, but it depends. I don't know about Dungarvan, but Vue use these Sony 4K projectors which, if there's a 3D filter in place, aren't really 4k at all, rather two 2k images superimposed on top of each other to compensate for light loss in 3D projection. And in most cases the 3D filter isn't removed for 2D showings.

And afaik the DCP for most films is still only 2k, but some big films have gone out in 4k. I'm not sure if TDKR was one of them.

CMpunked

How big is the odeon isense? I seen a poster in blanchardstown centre that said "3 storey high screen", thought it might be a bit of a stretch.

Mitch Connor

Sad Professor wrote: »

Potentially, yes, but it depends. I don't know about Dungarvan, but Vue use these Sony 4K projectors which, if there's a 3D filter in place, aren't really 4k at all, rather two 2k images superimposed on top of each other to compensate for light loss in 3D projection. And in most cases the 3D filter isn't removed for 2D showings.

And afaik the DCP for most films is still only 2k, but some big films have gone out in 4k. I'm not sure if TDKR was one of them.

Not sure on the ones Veu have, as they are the older 4k machines but the Dungarvan ones are the latest spec - without the filter as far as I know, it is all built in to how the machine operates now from what I have been told. Was also told that TDKR was def shown in 4k, on the 4k projectors and the quality was unreal.

Was told I should check it out but I really couldn't be bothered driving all the way to Dungarvan to see it!

Galvasean

maximoose wrote: »

Wonder what the pricing on tickets will be like....

€17 I'm hearing...

Certainly the one in London was about £20.

Sad Professor

CMpunked wrote: »

How big is the odeon isense? I seen a poster in blanchardstown centre that said "3 storey high screen", thought it might be a bit of a stretch.

iSense Point Village is a little bit larger than Cineworld. I assume Blanch is about the same. About 9 metres tall.

iSense is basically faux-IMAX btw. A lot of cinemas don't want to pay IMAX for the branding so they invent their own.

delbertgrady

Sad Professor wrote: »

iSense Point Village is a little bit larger than Cineworld.

... but the sightlines are dire. I remember when the Odeon opened and several people on this forum made the point that the seats in front often blocked the bottom of the screen. Unforgiveable, frankly.

maximoose

Galvasean wrote: »

€17 I'm hearing...

Certainly the one in London was about £20.

Hmmmm. I see on the Cineworld UK site it says the premium on top of normal ticket prices for IMAX is £4.50, so about €5.70.

I assume it'll be like 3D films where if you have an unlimited card you just pay the premium?

grimm2005

It would be nice to get a proper IMAX screen but I'm sure this will just be a digital "fake" IMAX but it's better then nothing tbh, i certainly wouldn't object to them making an already massive screen even bigger, I would not like to have to pay extra on top of my unlimited subscription to use it though (unless the new premium card will allow that).

maximoose

Premium card eh? Whats this?

I wouldn't mind paying a little extra to see a film on this screen, as long as it's not a ridiculous fee.

Galvasean

maximoose wrote: »

Premium card eh? Whats this?

No one really knows TBH. There's a thread about it in this forum.

Axwell

Sad Professor wrote: »

No, no more than there is for 70mm IMAX. But it's generally larger than average.

Original iMax was apparently 23mx30m (76ft x 97ft)

LieMax as its known is 8.5mx18m (26ft x 58ft

http://www.slashfilm.com/qa-imax-theatre-real-imax-liemax/

Axwell

maximoose wrote: »

Premium card eh? Whats this?

New black unlimited card for those that have been signed up a year or more. 25% discount on food/drink and no extra surcharge for 3D films.

grimm2005

For anyone interested, they are now booking tickets to the Hobbit IMAX 3D screenings. The price of a peak time ticket is €16.30. They don't have IMAX pricing in the price section on the website but if you work it out as €11.30 for an adult ticket + €2 for 3D, you can come to the assumption that IMAX screenings will be €3 extra.

Hoping it'll be a little less for Unlimited members (3D is €1.50 for Unlimited).

http://www.cineworld.ie/whatson/5758?cinema=75&date=advanced

Tar.Aldarion

wonder what it would be for the unlimited members of over one year, they get 3d for free.