Buying Machinery Abroad

farmer_dave

Does anyone do this?

I've been searching the internet for bale wrappers and notice the following:

http://www.tabor24.com/METAL-FACH-OWIJARKA-SAMOZALADOWCZA-Z577-2012-bale-wrapping-machine/o/214185

This is listed for €5,882 (£4,708). There is a UK supplier selling these for £7,995 (€9,987):

http://clifforddennisagriculturalsupplies.co.uk/agri-machinery/metal-fach-z577-self-loading-bale-wrapper/offer-advert-13-2/


My question is this - it is cheaper for me as an individual to purchase this directly from Poland? I'm curious as I can't see where the extra €4,000 is going.

Will there be export duty upon leaving Poland and import duty on top when entering here? I'm assuming it cannot be avoided?

There has to be a catch as I'm sure everyone else would be doing it too. What is the catch?

Just seen this site (Hungary I think), which shows the same wrapper for €4,819, but then adds 27% VAT leaving it at €6,120 (£4,876). Plus there will be import/export duty as well I guess.

http://www.mascus.co.uk/agriculture/used-round-balers/metal-fach-z-577-tipusu-vontatott-balacsomagolo-el-balacsomagolo--balafoliazo--csomagolo--foliazo-/opwpshud.html

As an aside, how much do similar Conor and McHales retail for new?

epfff

Dont know a lot abt it
but free movement of goods labour and capital within eu
also no vat on exported goods
problem i see is organising shipment

reilig

There's no import tax on products sold from EU to EU.
You have to pay vat on it - unless you have a VAT number.

I'd be sceptical of the quality of the ould Rad Masz bale wrappers. If they were cheap and of good quality, they'd be here already. As well as that, Poland is one of the biggest importers of McHale products. If they could produce to McHale's quality, they wouldn't give the business to Ireland.

Some of the Polish round balers imported into this country in the last few years are dire crap!!

farmer_dave wrote: »

Does anyone do this?

I've been searching the internet for bale wrappers and notice the following:

http://www.tabor24.com/METAL-FACH-OWIJARKA-SAMOZALADOWCZA-Z577-2012-bale-wrapping-machine/o/214185

This is listed for €5,882 (£4,708). There is a UK supplier selling these for £7,995 (€9,987):

http://clifforddennisagriculturalsupplies.co.uk/agri-machinery/metal-fach-z577-self-loading-bale-wrapper/offer-advert-13-2/


My question is this - it is cheaper for me as an individual to purchase this directly from Poland? I'm curious as I can't see where the extra €4,000 is going.

Will there be export duty upon leaving Poland and import duty on top when entering here? I'm assuming it cannot be avoided?

There has to be a catch as I'm sure everyone else would be doing it too. What is the catch?

Just seen this site (Hungary I think), which shows the same wrapper for €4,819, but then adds 27% VAT leaving it at €6,120 (£4,876). Plus there will be import/export duty as well I guess.

http://www.mascus.co.uk/agriculture/used-round-balers/metal-fach-z-577-tipusu-vontatott-balacsomagolo-el-balacsomagolo--balafoliazo--csomagolo--foliazo-/opwpshud.html

As an aside, how much do similar Conor and McHales retail for new?

20silkcut

Still though you would have to say for a simpler machine like a wrapper it's worth a shot for a saving of 4 grand.

reilig

20silkcut wrote: »

Still though you would have to say for a simpler machine like a wrapper it's worth a shot for a saving of 4 grand.

Don't you think that if they could be bought so cheap and if they were of useable quality for Irish conditions that farm machinery importers in this country would already have them on sale here in mass quantities?

Black Smoke

In my day job, we experimented with outsourcing engineering work to Poland for nearly four years. Stamped steel components, CNC machining of various different castings, simple to medium complex fabrications and assemblies.

Success I'm afraid was limited to say the least. Capacity to consistently adhere to specifications and manufacturing / QA control procedures was never more than patchy.
We gave up in the end!!

I'd leave that wrapper where I found it!

20silkcut

reilig wrote: »

Don't you think that if they could be bought so cheap and if they were of useable quality for Irish conditions that farm machinery importers in this country would already have them on sale here in mass quantities?

Did the op not say a uk company are importing this wrapper?

If its good for the uk why not this country?

Surely a wrapper is a low risk piece of equipment with very little intricate parts.

bob charles

I would sooner buy a 10yr old mchale

Farmer Pudsey

No matter how simple a machine if there is not a parts supplier in Ireland I leave them where they are. I have a Sprayer from Poland, however I bought it off a NI supplier, there are also supplier in the south now if I could import it cheaper from Poland I would but I would know that I could get parts if I need them.
But buying a machine that there are no machinery dealers supplying in Ireland leaves you in the situation of not being able to get a part for now it is all grand and dandy saying that you will source a spurious part or get one made imagine trying when you need to wrap a few hundred bales

reilig

20silkcut wrote: »

Did the op not say a uk company are importing this wrapper?

If its good for the uk why not this country?

Surely a wrapper is a low risk piece of equipment with very little intricate parts.

The Uk company is selling them at £8000 + VAT which is approximately €12000. You'll buy a McHale or a Connor or a Tanco here for that money - a tried and tested machine for Irish Conditions with a full parts backup.

As I said above, if these machines were cheaper and suitable for Irish conditions, Irish machinery dealers would have pounced on them long ago and they would be imported here in their thousands.

But they are not. I wonder Why?

Here they are in the flesh:

farmer_dave

Them bales weren't a great shape and there was lots of loose grass as well...

There is a guy in Dublin (Collins) importing Pronar stuff and Metal Fach is imported by a man in Tipp (Butler in Shronell Beg).

Really, is there much to a wrapper. Just the main table bearing - the rest of it is just metal frame and a control box. I know some of the early ones with high bale counts suffer from fatigue cracks which require webs welded in to strengthen it.

Might end up opting for a Vicon/Kverneland as their lower CoG would suit our hilly land better than the McHales or these European ones. Although I've not seen these side by side to see if there is much of a difference in the table height. Has anyone seen these different types side by side?
http://www.mascus.co.uk/agriculture/used-wrappers/vicon/bw1600+electronic/images/nhzjoltp.html

bob charles

reilig wrote: »

Here they are in the flesh:

The only item I would like to have in my possession from that video is the blonde at the end