New Irish Indo editor

Matt_Trakker

Indo's a crap paper but now it's gonna get a whole lot worse.

http://businessetc.thejournal.ie/stephen-rae-new-editor-irish-independent-588667-Sep2012/

Will the Indo ever be a decent paper again, how would you improve it?

starbelgrade

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

how would you improve it?

Draw moustaches on the faces of the people in the pictures & farts coming out of their bums.

Einhard

Sindo is pretty crap, but I really don't get peoples' hatred of the Indo. The IT is better, but the Indo isn't too bad at all. My theory is that it's just another form of snobbery- now we have media snobbery to go along with music snobbery and all the rest. Happy days.

girl2

Dont have an opinion at all

starviewadams

No decent Irish newspaper left,and hasn't been for at least a decade.It's a dying format too,good luck to them.

Footy101

Shocking appointment.. The Herald?!! 'cause that's a good read. :-(

3ndahalfof6

I want to know how he enditor her.

starbelgrade

Einhard wrote: »

Sindo is pretty crap, but I really don't get peoples' hatred of the Indo. The IT is better, but the Indo isn't too bad at all. My theory is that it's just another form of snobbery- now we have media snobbery to go along with music snobbery and all the rest. Happy days.

My theory is that some Westlife fan invented the term "musical snobbery" in order to get back at people who don't like Westlife. It then became "uncool" to slag off Westlife as you were now seen as a "musical snob".

These days you can't just say that Westlife are shite and that you'd need a frontal lobotomy to listen to a full album of theirs even though it's quite obviously true.

I'm not sure if the same thing applies to The Independent though as I've never read it.

The King of Moo

He was pretty good in The Crying Game, in fairness.

Einhard

starbelgrade wrote: »

My theory is that some Westlife fan invented the term "musical snobbery" in order to get back at people who don't like Westlife. It then became "uncool" to slag off Westlife as you were now seen as a "musical snob".

These days you can't just say that Westlife are shite and that you'd need a frontal lobotomy to listen to a full album of theirs even though it's quite obviously true.

I'm not sure if the same thing applies to The Independent though as I've never read it.

Yeah, there's some truth in what you say, but when I talk about musical snobbery I'm talking about the kind of person who not only can't fathom that other people might have different musical tastes, but can't stop expressing his bewilderment at, and contempt of, those tastes.

As for the Indo, it used to be the paper I'd buy. Then I got to reading the IT one day and saw that its international coverage was far better, and that its content somewhat more serious than the Indo, so i switched to the Times. I think the Times is better, but I don't think the Indo is the rag that some people portray, and I honestly can't see the reasons behind that attitude.

woodoo

Einhard wrote: »

Sindo is pretty crap, but I really don't get peoples' hatred of the Indo. The IT is better, but the Indo isn't too bad at all. My theory is that it's just another form of snobbery- now we have media snobbery to go along with music snobbery and all the rest. Happy days.

Ask a public servant? They have been lying and spinning and smearing them for 3 years.

Sir Pompous Righteousness

In other news, I just farted.

Sir Pompous Righteousness

starbelgrade wrote: »

My theory is that some Westlife fan invented the term "musical snobbery" in order to get back at people who don't like Westlife. It then became "uncool" to slag off Westlife as you were now seen as a "musical snob".

These days you can't just say that Westlife are shite and that you'd need a frontal lobotomy to listen to a full album of theirs even though it's quite obviously true.

I'm not sure if the same thing applies to The Independent though as I've never read it.

Good music has always been there. It's just the likes of Westlife just ruined its reputation.

c_man

Don't buy papers myself but used to like the Sindo GAA coverage (would get to read it when visiting the auld pair) but even that's gone to crap. Was good for a laugh with Alison o Riodran and Gavin Lambe Murphy back in the day though.

John_Rambo

Einhard wrote: »

Sindo is pretty crap, but I really don't get peoples' hatred of the Indo. The IT is better, but the Indo isn't too bad at all. My theory is that it's just another form of snobbery- now we have media snobbery to go along with music snobbery and all the rest. Happy days.

Agreed. The Indo isn't that bad at all. Good supplements too, but, on boards.ie it's fashionable not to like the paper... and, there's a lot of sheep here.

Biggins

Einhard wrote: »

Sindo is pretty crap, but I really don't get peoples' hatred of the Indo. The IT is better, but the Indo isn't too bad at all. My theory is that it's just another form of snobbery- now we have media snobbery to go along with music snobbery and all the rest. Happy days.

John_Rambo wrote: »

Agreed. The Indo isn't that bad at all. Good supplements too, but, on boards.ie it's fashionable not to like the paper... and, there's a lot of sheep here.

To be fair, the Independent has done some good investigative reporting and still does sometimes - whereas the Sunday Indo, to me thats just regurgitated, celeb (who the fcuk are they again half the time?) rubbish. Too often stuffed with filler for the brain dead.
...And don't get me started on the quality of some of the Sunday Indo' articles themselves in the way that they are wrote. A ten year old would compose a paragraph better I think!

No thanks.

eyeball kid

John_Rambo wrote: »

Agreed. The Indo isn't that bad at all. Good supplements too, but, on boards.ie it's fashionable not to like the paper... and, there's a lot of sheep here.

The Indo have been veering towards the tabloid end of things for a long time now. Too many opinion pieces passed off as actual news. Nothing to do with being fashionable or anything like that. Their sports coverage isn't the worst though.

bleg

Einhard wrote: »

Sindo is pretty crap, but I really don't get peoples' hatred of the Indo. The IT is better, but the Indo isn't too bad at all. My theory is that it's just another form of snobbery- now we have media snobbery to go along with music snobbery and all the rest. Happy days.

Well for me the IT commentary pieces are usually interesting and get quite varied. For the Indo you get the usual out of touch Bruce Arnold types spouting the same crap every day. It's tiresome and doesn't relate to me or to the real world.

It's not snobbery, it's just the IT tends to be more informative, have less spin in factual articles and has more varied commentary...

Roisy7

Started getting the indo on sat as the examiner revamped its weekend section and it takes about 30 secs to read it...

I like the indo on sat, plenty of reading in it! The IT can be pretty out of touch too... The sindo however isn't worth newsprint and paper.

OnTheCounter

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

Indo's a crap paper but now it's gonna get a whole lot worse.

http://businessetc.thejournal.ie/stephen-rae-new-editor-irish-independent-588667-Sep2012/

Will the Indo ever be a decent paper again, how would you improve it?

why do you think its crap?

what is the best daily paper?

ArtSmart

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

Indo's a crap paper but now it's gonna get a whole lot worse.

http://businessetc.thejournal.ie/stephen-rae-new-editor-irish-independent-588667-Sep2012/

Will the Indo ever be a decent paper again, how would you improve it?

by naming it correctly. that way it doesn't confuse readers.

lemme see.....


the the sun is taken, so is the star...em, yes gottit. the moon!

The Moon. i like it.


' The Moon, for Loons.'



it's become such an utter rag, even wiping up vomit would be too good for it, though in fairness, Rae might just be the man for that...

Einhard

woodoo wrote: »

Ask a public servant? They have been lying and spinning and smearing them for 3 years.

I am a public servant.

And I agree with a lot of what the Indo says about the public service. Sorry.

bleg wrote: »

Well for me the IT commentary pieces are usually interesting and get quite varied. For the Indo you get the usual out of touch Bruce Arnold types spouting the same crap every day. It's tiresome and doesn't relate to me or to the real world.

It's not snobbery, it's just the IT tends to be more informative, have less spin in factual articles and has more varied commentary...

I have no problem with this. It's why I read the IT now rather than the Indo. But that's a balanced critique rather than a "oh the Indo is a rag, don't ask me why" that you tend to get.

Incidentally, one of the things I like about the Indo is that it's commentary is quite often more diverse than the IT's. Whenever I get to the comment section of the IT, I find myself anticipating the content, and generally agreeing. At least with the Indo, while I rarely agreed with the likes of Kevin Myers or David Quinn, they challenged my opinions and made me think about them. It's good to hear other opinions now and then, and I think that a lot of people who slam the Indo just don't like hearing opinions that differ from their own (I'm not including you in that).

RubyRoss

The only reason the Indo isn't rubbish is that it copies articles from other international papers. On the whole, I find newspapers, apart from the English Indo, pretty rubbish in so far as they have forsaken news in favour of gossip. The death of the newspaper is no loss in my view and I won't be mourning for the half-arsed opinion of 'journalists'...real reporters on the otherhand will hopefully gain a renewed life through online publication. E.G I'd be willing to pay for quality news whereas I see no point in the current form of print press with all its bull****, lies, and self-important opinion.

finbarrk

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

Indo's a crap paper but now it's gonna get a whole lot worse.

http://businessetc.thejournal.ie/stephen-rae-new-editor-irish-independent-588667-Sep2012/

Will the Indo ever be a decent paper again, how would you improve it?

I wonder which of the UK newspapers is your daily read?
I can't understand why you say will it ever be a decent newspaper again. It's not that bad, and their sales seem to back that up.

mikemac1

Great, lots more stories with quotes from a "source"

If you are a journalist and do this you can put in whatever pack of lies you want

SHOVELLER

The indo is a tabloid in all but name. The fact that its readership is high sums up this country.

OnTheCounter

I find the tone of the Times to be very arrogant and full of rugby related news. Basically a snobbier version of the Indo and if you rely on either for business or economic news you must only use the information as soundbites at your dinner parties.

c_man

Lise Hand's article on Michael Ring today makes reference to "Galway taking on Tipp in the hurling final tomorrow." New editor is off to a flying start.

dublinman1990

c_man wrote: »

Lise Hand's article on Michael Ring today makes reference to "Galway taking on Tipp in the hurling final tomorrow." New editor is off to a flying start.

Any link? Can't see it online.

c_man

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/famous-fixer-cant-solve-loavesandfishes-style-problem-of-croker-tickets-3223249.html

(Much to his chagrin, he won't be in Croker to see his neighbouring county of Galway take on Tipp in the hurling final, as he'll be attending an event in the town to celebrate Westport winning the Best Place to Live in Ireland award.).

wp_rathead

Einhard wrote: »

Sindo is pretty crap, but I really don't get peoples' hatred of the Indo. The IT is better, but the Indo isn't too bad at all. My theory is that it's just another form of snobbery- now we have media snobbery to go along with music snobbery and all the rest. Happy days.

Kevin Myers for a start..

..although IT has that gob****e John Waters, but he gets balanced out with the brilliance of Fintan O'Toole

Roisy7

Kevin Myers and John Waters makes me depressed about my own profession.

There are great journalists fresh out of college dying for a start and those two windbags are allowed peddle their reactionary rubbish, and get paid for it too

Nodin

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

Indo's a crap paper but now it's gonna get a whole lot worse.

http://businessetc.thejournal.ie/stephen-rae-new-editor-irish-independent-588667-Sep2012/

Will the Indo ever be a decent paper again, how would you improve it?

Stop this fecker, for a start