Overhyped players

lala88

This may case a bit of a stur but there is always threads about underrated players so why not one about overrated ones?

After yesterday i feel that Bernard Brogan is hugely over hyped (mainly by the media) but i for one never seen him as being any better then any other player

matildajane

Joe Canning. Unless he really comes up trumps on sunday and has a great game.

intellectual dosser

matildajane wrote: »

Joe Canning. Unless he really comes up trumps on sunday and has a great game.

Not the best argument! Its like saying Kilkenny are awesome, unless they lose on Sunday. If only my bookie saw it this way. Joe Canning was immense against Cork in the semi.

I dont know him, but I've heard that he went up to Donegal and spent a day coaching both under age and senior players - all in his own time, without any rewards or incentives.

That is the GAA.

DoctaDee

lala88 wrote: »

This may case a bit of a stur but there is always threads about underrated players so why not one about overrated ones?

After yesterday i feel that Bernard Brogan is hugely over hyped (mainly by the media) but i for one never seen him as being any better then any other player

Jaysis ... I think his AI medal, All Stars and Footballer of the year awards speak for themselves .... overhyped players generally by their nature have won phaque all ..

It's tedious Dublin lose and open season resumes ......

lala88

DoctaDee wrote: »

Jaysis ... I think his AI medal, All Stars and Footballer of the year awards speak for themselves .... overhyped players generally by their nature have won phaque all ..

1 All Ireland! All Stars and Player of the Year picked by the media something he and his brother are darlings of

2moreMinutes

It is controversial (especially where I'm from) but I do feel that Michael Murphy is overhyped.

He is as strong as an ox, a great target man and one which the vast majority of defenders have trouble coping with under a high ball but this doesnt make him the best full forward in the country (as has been thrown around about him for the last year or two). He simply doesnt score enough from play and some of his misses from fairly easy frees this year have been atrocious (to borrow one of Pat's superlatives:D).

Tom Joad

hmmm Mayo vs Dublin thread gets locked because it descends into complete crap so start a new thread having a pop at a Dublin player ...
Smooth...... :rolleyes: This will end well

lala88

Tom Joad wrote: »

hmmm Mayo vs Dublin thread gets locked because it descends into complete crap so start a new thread having a pop at a Dublin player ...
Smooth...... :rolleyes: This will end well

How is it having a pop at a Dublin player? It might come as a surprise but maybe i just dont rate him

Fr Tod Umptious

Ok here is another controversial one and I am in no way disrepecting this player by putting his name down here.

Andy Moran

All we have heard for 4 weeks is how Mayo could not win without Andy Moran.
He is obvisouly a good player but not so good as the be the only Mayo player capable of winning the game.

lala88

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Ok here is another controversial one and I am in no way disrepecting this player by putting his name down here.

Andy Moran

All we have heard for 4 weeks is how Mayo could not win without Andy Moran.
He is obvisouly a good player but not so good as the be the only Mayo player capable of winning the game.

I have to agree with you on this. Again a good player but better players then him out there

Tom Joad

lala88 wrote: »

How is it having a pop at a Dublin player? It might come as a surprise but maybe i just dont rate him

Day after Dublin go out of the Championship start a thread saying a Dublin player is overrated - come on - thinly veiled attempt a stirring :rolleyes:

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Tom Joad wrote: »

hmmm Mayo vs Dublin thread gets locked because it descends into complete crap so start a new thread having a pop at a Dublin player ...
Smooth...... :rolleyes: This will end well

90% of gaa threads on boards decend into an argument. a lot of threads here are created to bitch about a player/team/manager/referee. its funny to see sometimes though, people getting so wound up

ArielAtom

Must be Kieran Donaghy, a poor mans O'Gara;)

lala88

Tom Joad wrote: »

Day after Dublin go out of the Championship start a thread saying a Dublin player is overrated - come on - thinly veiled attempt a stirring :rolleyes:

I could have stated it at any other time of year and say the same thing. But sure everyone is out to put down the poor Dubs.....

ColeTrain

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Ok here is another controversial one and I am in no way disrepecting this player by putting his name down here.

Andy Moran

All we have heard for 4 weeks is how Mayo could not win without Andy Moran.
He is obvisouly a good player but not so good as the be the only Mayo player capable of winning the game.

His name still shouldn't be on here despite the other forwards stepping up yesterday.

Moran would make any team in the country, so no way can he be considered overhyped.

Fireball07

Bernard Brogan is very good...on his day. But he hasn't been consistently on his day for a while. Even last year, he wasn't as good as the year before.

I always thought Alan Dillon was slightly overrated, but he was class yesterday.

I think Donnacha O'Connor is overrated too. Good, but not as good as some make him out to be.

corny

If you came down from space in January like Lala and watched BB up to this point you'd have to say yeah there's nothing special about him. Actually he's quite ordinary. If, on the other hand, you haven't goldfish type memory and you remember last year and 2010 you couldn't possibly think the man hasn't got ability.

Just An Opinion

lala88 wrote: »

This may case a bit of a stur but there is always threads about underrated players so why not one about overrated ones?

After yesterday i feel that Bernard Brogan is hugely over hyped (mainly by the media) but i for one never seen him as being any better then any other player

No I don't agree with this at all, and bias aside he has shown over the last few years the real talent he is, granted of course this year his performances left alot to be desired.

He has many times given his markers an absolute torrid time, more often than not is Dublin's top scorer and has single handedly won games for Dublin.

To suggest he is over-hyped is well off the mark, the media do indeed indulge on him but there is in fact substance to his high regard weather you like it or not.

lala88

corny wrote: »

If you came down from space in January like Lala and watched BB up to this point you'd have to say yeah there's nothing special about him. Actually he's quite ordinary. If, on the other hand, you haven't goldfish type memory and you remember last year and 2010 you couldn't possibly think the man hasn't got ability.

And what did he do the years before that? Was no where to be seen. Also i never said he didnt have ability simply that i didnt rate him

corny

I know he's had a bad time of late but i never saw much in Michael Meehan.

yop

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Ok here is another controversial one and I am in no way disrepecting this player by putting his name down here.

Andy Moran

All we have heard for 4 weeks is how Mayo could not win without Andy Moran.
He is obvisouly a good player but not so good as the be the only Mayo player capable of winning the game.

I don't like to attack any poster, but your assessment of Mayo so far hasn't been great, to say the least.

On the Andy Moran comment, a little stat re Andy up to yesterdays game and considering we are now in the AI final, he scored or directly assisted 80% of all Mayo scores.
Go back through all the league games and tell us how over hyped he was.

As for Bernard Brogan, honest to God some lads are blinded by hate, Brogan was incredible last year, his pace, vision and passing was 2nd to none, he hasn't had a good year this season which is to be expected after last years, look at Gooch, he hasn't been up to it for the last couple of years.
Add to that Mulligan, Murphy the Donegal lad has been blowing hot and cold this season also.

So really as it goes, no player is any good.

Threads like this just let ejjits who got the result of yesterdays game wrong and want to vent a little more.

yop

corny wrote: »

I know he's had a bad time of late but i never saw much in Michael Meehan.

The lads been destroyed with injuries for the guts of 3 years, I seen there on another forum where he hadn't even played for his club for 2 years due to injury.

He couldn't have been one of thee best forwards in Galway, pace and power and an eye for a pass, but cut short.

Its hard to judge a lad when he isn't getting games.

lala88

corny wrote: »

I know he's had a bad time of late but i never saw much in Michael Meehan.

Cant agree with this, should have got an All Star for this display in the Q/F in 2008 alone

lala88

yop wrote: »

I don't like to attack any poster, but your assessment of Mayo so far hasn't been great, to say the least.

On the Andy Moran comment, a little stat re Andy up to yesterdays game and considering we are now in the AI final, he scored or directly assisted 80% of all Mayo scores.
Go back through all the league games and tell us how over hyped he was.

As for Bernard Brogan, honest to God some lads are blinded by hate, Brogan was incredible last year, his pace, vision and passing was 2nd to none, he hasn't had a good year this season which is to be expected after last years, look at Gooch, he hasn't been up to it for the last couple of years.
Add to that Mulligan, Murphy the Donegal lad has been blowing hot and cold this season also.

So really as it goes, no player is any good.

Threads like this just let ejjits who got the result of yesterdays game wrong and want to vent a little more.

So because i dont rate him it means i hate him? So i cant have my own view?

DoctaDee

lala88 wrote: »

This may case a bit of a stur but there is always threads about underrated players so why not one about overrated ones?

After yesterday i feel that Bernard Brogan is hugely over hyped (mainly by the media) but i for one never seen him as being any better then any other player

Seeing as how you started a previous thread regarding Northern teams being overhyped, it's fair to say that yer a WUM and have a little thing going for overhype

LeoB

Every county has over hyped players. It goes with being an inter county player, but Darren O'Sullivan comes to mind.

The over hyping could be looked on as a bit of promotion for a amateur player who has a good spell for his county and club and there is nothing wrong with that. In fairness to Bernard Brogan had he goaled yesterday I suspect he might not be mentioned in this. Pehaps a better title would be who is the most underrated player and I would say to this Keith Higgins. I think Higgins or a lad like him say just out of collage looking for a job would like to be hyped up and I would not begrudge them, I just use Higgins as an example by the way.

What I would not like to see is disrespect coming into our games. Joe Canning goes up to Donegal and does a bit of coaching with kids and adults and that is a great gesture from the man. He aint overhyped in my opinion as year after year he has delivered on more than one occasion. I know for a fact Brian Cody does a lot of gigs for people and all in the right spirit of G.A.A. But if we look at any top county we have gems in every one who visit sick and elderly people, Children in hospital, host fundraisers and do loads of untold good deeds.

bruschi

corny wrote: »

I know he's had a bad time of late but i never saw much in Michael Meehan.

you mustnt have watched him v kerry in the quarters in 2008 so. Put on an immense display that day.

lala88

DoctaDee wrote: »

Seeing as how you started a previous thread regarding Northern teams being overhyped, it's fair to say that yer a WUM and have a little thing going for overhype

Show me anything that i said that was wrong in that thread?

Fr Tod Umptious

yop wrote: »

I don't like to attack any poster, but your assessment of Mayo so far hasn't been great, to say the least.

On the Andy Moran comment, a little stat re Andy up to yesterdays game and considering we are now in the AI final, he scored or directly assisted 80% of all Mayo scores.
Go back through all the league games and tell us how over hyped he was.

As for Bernard Brogan, honest to God some lads are blinded by hate, Brogan was incredible last year, his pace, vision and passing was 2nd to none, he hasn't had a good year this season which is to be expected after last years, look at Gooch, he hasn't been up to it for the last couple of years.
Add to that Mulligan, Murphy the Donegal lad has been blowing hot and cold this season also.

So really as it goes, no player is any good.

Threads like this just let ejjits who got the result of yesterdays game wrong and want to vent a little more.

Off Topic
I think that has to do with 30 + years of seeing Mayo get my hopes up only to be disappointed, all last week my thoughts were going from 'this Mayo team are certainly good enough to beat Dublin' to 'the forward mix or Conroy/Doherty/Freeman/Varley are the poorest link in this team and thus the think that will deny Mayo a win'

But I am quiet confident Mayo will beat Donegal though, sorry.

Anyway on Topic
In hindsight I think Moran's absence was more over-hyped than Moran himself.

Sorry Andy.

corny

yop wrote: »

The lads been destroyed with injuries for the guts of 3 years, I seen there on another forum where he hadn't even played for his club for 2 years due to injury.

He couldn't have been one of thee best forwards in Galway, pace and power and an eye for a pass, but cut short.

Its hard to judge a lad when he isn't getting games.

I appreciate that and just reading my original post makes it sound like i think he's awful. I don't. Good player but sometimes RTE would have you believe he's a great player.

yop

lala88 wrote: »

So because i dont rate him it means i hate him? So i cant have my own view?

Absolutely you can, its what the GAA forums are about. But others views are there just to "soften" out your view

celt262

Seanie Johnston.

DDC1990

Ha I disagree with every name mentioned so far!

Brogan had a bad year. He was untouchable for the last 2.
Even the Gooch has had a bad run in his career.

Murphy, Moran, Donaghy, Dillon and Donnacha O'Connor are all top quality footballers IMO.
Problem is, Forwards are often only as good as the ball into them.
Forwards can be double marked or triple marked as Cooper was vs Donegal.

1 player (and this isn't a pop at Dublin because of the day thats in it) that comes to mind, is Diarmuid Connolly. He puts in some super performances, scoring big scores and on any given day can put 3 or 4 goals away. However he cannot seem to do this with any consistancy, being anonymous in many games. You generally know how Connolly is going to go after his first attempt. If it goes over, he'll go on and bang away 1-8. If he misses, then he might get a point or 2, but he will miss far more then that. He is very highly rated in Dublin, and if you watched the Dublin Tyrone game or the Dublin Laois game last year its easy to see why. But for me as a Top Class forward, he is far too hit and miss. Yesterday Dublin had an attack which eventually led to a free out to Mayo (I think). The ball fell to Connolly after the whistle, and Connolly tried to put the ball into the empty net, but fired wide. A few minutes later he got the ball, 43 meters out, took on Richie Feeney, beat him and banged it over the bar, before disappearing for the rest of the match other then a few scuffles. That summed up his afternoon, and his career for me. He is capable of great things, and is always expected to perform, but too often his confidence takes a hit and his game suffers.

Again, not having a go at Dublin, or Connolly's character, its just how I see him.

Anyway its easier to think of vastly underrated players then overrated players:

Kevin McLoughlin (Mayo) - The New Paul Galvin... better then Paul Galvin has been in the last 2 years.
Kevin McManaman (Dublin) - Exciting attacking threat. Not greedy, knows when to pass and knows when to go for goal. Sat on the bench for 50 minutes while Dublin forwards struggled.
Anthony Maher (Kerry) - Huge fan of his. Great fielder and ball distrubuter. Along with Sheehan forms a strong midfield partnership
Karl Lacey (Donegal)- No matter how highly he is rated (and he is rated highly), his importance to Donegal at the moment cannot be overrated :P

Any others?

Just An Opinion

celt262 wrote: »

Seanie Johnston.

This 100% - unbelievable the hype this name stirred this year.

Neeson

If the Brogans would spend less time on their twat machines and less time posing with models in St. Stephen's Green and focused more on their game then they'd be up there with the best.

Alaska1

Neeson wrote: »

If the Brogans would spend less time on their twat machines and less time posing with models in St. Stephen's Green and focused more on their game then they'd be up there with the best.

I think they have been POTY's each the last 2 years have they not ?

On that alone, they are up there with the best.

DoctaDee

Neeson wrote: »

If the Brogans would spend less time on their twat machines and less time posing with models in St. Stephen's Green and focused more on their game then they'd be up there with the best.

LMAO... dear oh dear ....

threebeards

lala88 wrote: »

After yesterday i feel that Bernard Brogan is hugely over hyped (mainly by the media) but i for one never seen him as being any better then any other player

That's a ridiculous statement, and I'm saying that as a Mayo man. He has been a class act for years, and still has another few years left. In addition to his obvious footballing abilities, he is also a great ambassador for the GAA in promoting the game to kids. He did very little wrong yesterday - he pointed most, if not all of his frees, and was unlucky to come up against 1 of the top 2 goalkeepers in the country for the 1 on 1. I would be very happy if he was a Mayo man

Neeson

Alaska1 wrote: »

I think they have been POTY's each the last 2 years have they not ?

On that alone, they are up there with the best.

Yeah, they could still do with spending less time with Nadia Forde and the likes.

DoctaDee

Neeson wrote: »

Yeah, they could still do with spending less time with Nadia Forde and the likes.

"Down with this sort of thing" Ted

brandon_flowers

Jason Sherlock.

The most over-rated everything GAA, Soccer, TV presenter. How a man can score a few goals in 1995 and remain around for 13-14 years after it baffled me. He was cat.

He wouldn't lace Bernard Brogan's mothers shoes.

corny

DDC1990 wrote: »

Ha I disagree with every name mentioned so far!

Brogan had a bad year. He was untouchable for the last 2.
Even the Gooch has had a bad run in his career.

Murphy, Moran, Donaghy, Dillon and Donnacha O'Connor are all top quality footballers IMO.
Problem is, Forwards are often only as good as the ball into them.
Forwards can be double marked or triple marked as Cooper was vs Donegal.

1 player (and this isn't a pop at Dublin because of the day thats in it) that comes to mind, is Diarmuid Connolly. He puts in some super performances, scoring big scores and on any given day can put 3 or 4 goals away. However he cannot seem to do this with any consistancy, being anonymous in many games. You generally know how Connolly is going to go after his first attempt. If it goes over, he'll go on and bang away 1-8. If he misses, then he might get a point or 2, but he will miss far more then that. He is very highly rated in Dublin, and if you watched the Dublin Tyrone game or the Dublin Laois game last year its easy to see why. But for me as a Top Class forward, he is far too hit and miss. Yesterday Dublin had an attack which eventually led to a free out to Mayo (I think). The ball fell to Connolly after the whistle, and Connolly tried to put the ball into the empty net, but fired wide. A few minutes later he got the ball, 43 meters out, took on Richie Feeney, beat him and banged it over the bar, before disappearing for the rest of the match other then a few scuffles. That summed up his afternoon, and his career for me. He is capable of great things, and is always expected to perform, but too often his confidence takes a hit and his game suffers.

Again, not having a go at Dublin, or Connolly's character, its just how I see him.

Anyway its easier to think of vastly underrated players then overrated players:

Kevin McLoughlin (Mayo) - The New Paul Galvin... better then Paul Galvin has been in the last 2 years.
Kevin McManaman (Dublin) - Exciting attacking threat. Not greedy, knows when to pass and knows when to go for goal. Sat on the bench for 50 minutes while Dublin forwards struggled.
Anthony Maher (Kerry) - Huge fan of his. Great fielder and ball distrubuter. Along with Sheehan forms a strong midfield partnership
Karl Lacey (Donegal)- No matter how highly he is rated (and he is rated highly), his importance to Donegal at the moment cannot be overrated :P

Any others?

On Connolly: I don't think he's overrated or underrated. People know what you get from him. I've never heard anyone speak glowingly about him without the preface he has very obvious weaknesses.

Can't have the description of McManamon either. 'Knows when to pass'??????? Runs into blind alleys far too often for that to be true.

Neeson

brandon_flowers wrote: »

Jason Sherlock.

The most over-rated everything GAA, Soccer, TV presenter. How a man can score a few goals in 1995 and remain around for 13-14 years after it baffled me. He was cat.

He worked on children's tv.

LowOdour

As a Galway man, I have found Sean Armstrong over-hyped. Think he is/was living of his hatrick in the 2005 U-21 final. I know Meehan also scored 3 goals that day, but when fit, I feel he has always added something to the galway attack. Don't get me wrong, Armstrong is a decent player but would take someone like a Derek savage or Nicky Joyce any day of the week

matildajane

Henry Shefflin - I mean what has he ever done or won. totally overhyped.

Fireball07

I think Meehan is one player that isn't overhyped...I know I'm about to join in what be considered "overhyping" but I think he is one of the top 5 most talented footballers of the last 10 years. Unbelievable player...just a shame about the injuries.


Don't think McManamon is underrated, he has severe limitations. Easier to contain than you'd think. If there are any underrated players on the Dublin team it'd be someone like Flynn or Nolan or someone.

cavan4sam

one joseph brolly was seriously overhyped , scored a bit but is mainly remembered for blowing kisses at the crowd ... what an annoying ass , he was hard to watch now he's even harder to listen to ,

DDC1990

Fireball07 wrote: »

I think Meehan is one player that isn't overhyped...I know I'm about to join in what be considered "overhyping" but I think he is one of the top 5 most talented footballers of the last 10 years. Unbelievable player...just a shame about the injuries.


Don't think McManamon is underrated, he has severe limitations. Easier to contain than you'd think. If there are any underrated players on the Dublin team it'd be someone like Flynn or Nolan or someone.

Meh, I'm a big fan, even after his goal that snatched the All Ireland away, so he must be doing something right.

In response to Corny, I rarely see him run up blind allys, but teams do put 2 or 3 men around him at times which limits his scoring ability. Mayo did it yesterday, and fouled him anytime he got up a head of steam.

I'd agree 100% that Flynn is underated. Puts in a great shift. Mayo noticed that and targetted him yesterday. Kept him out of the game for long periods until McLoughlin went off with the head injury, and MDMA was switched to Midfield.

Alaska1

Neeson wrote: »

Yeah, they could still do with spending less time with Nadia Forde and the likes.

And that has what to do with their ability....??

augustus gloop

darren o sullivan a wee headless chicken
and 100000% seanie johnston

The_Kew_Tour

DJ Carey was in hurling in his time.

Pearse O Neill was, although people tend to not hype him now like around 2008/9 thankfully.