Blackrock Baths good riddance or a necessary wave breaker?.

Run_to_da_hills

Will this eyesore of the Dublin Southside commute be missed?

I think I was in the place only once in my life time as a child.

Anyone standing on the southbound platform at Blackrock station will now get drowned when there is a storm. :eek:




"The Blackrock baths in Co Dublin are to be demolished after being deemed “dangerous structures” by Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council.

There had been hopes that the seabaths, built in 1839 and, with their high-diving board, for many years the leading venue for water sports, would some day be reopened. They were closed in the 1980s.

Well-known for swimming galas, high-diving and water polo, the baths featured a 50m pool and could accommodate up to 1,000 spectators".

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/0903/1224323536297.html

The Idyll Race

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Will this eyesore of the Dublin Southside commute be missed?

I think I was in the place only once in my life time as a child.

Anyone standing on the southbound platform at Blackrock station will now get drowned when there is a storm. :eek:




"The Blackrock baths in Co Dublin are to be demolished after being deemed “dangerous structures” by Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council.

There had been hopes that the seabaths, built in 1839 and, with their high-diving board, for many years the leading venue for water sports, would some day be reopened. They were closed in the 1980s.

Well-known for swimming galas, high-diving and water polo, the baths featured a 50m pool and could accommodate up to 1,000 spectators".

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/0903/1224323536297.html[/QUOTE]

Jesus.

Only in Ireland would we celebrate losing something of value. Eyesore my eye. The sea baths at Blackrock and Dun Laoghaire were fantastic facilities.

A Ryanair Ireland where we know the price of everything and the value of nothing is where we are.

zagmund

You can see the 2015 news articles now . . . "Councillors were told that to provide a new bathing place by the sea would require an application for a foreshore license, an environmental impact statement, tens of millions of euro in consultants fees, a change to the constitution, would take 15 years, and would be ready just as the new law banning swimming was enacted.

This country is messed up.

By no means was it a brilliant structure, but it was a functioning structure not so long ago. It worked. It provided a service. Yes, it cost money to maintain (so of course they stopped maintaining it), but it's going to cost money to secure and to demolish now. Can you imagine the logistics of demolishing a structure like that which has no road access and is right beside the DART cables ? It's not like they can drive dumper trucks across the strand up to Sandymount, unless we have suddenly acquired a fleet of hover-trucks or something.

It's sad to see

Hungerford

Apparently, they were actually only shut in 1997 when property speculators Treasury Holdings took over. They wanted to demolish it and build "a huge water complex on the site". There was a public outcry and it never came to pass. So it appears that Johnny Ronan and the other one allowed it to decay to such an extent that it had to be demolished.

Dravokivich

It isn't going to be entirely demolished. Only parts of it.

Tabnabs

Hungerford wrote: »

Apparently, they were actually only shut in 1997 when property speculators Treasury Holdings took over. They wanted to demolish it and build "a huge water complex on the site". There was a public outcry and it never came to pass. So it appears that Johnny Ronan and the other one allowed it to decay to such an extent that it had to be demolished.

Or the locals could have shut the **** up and allowed the water complex to be built!

They'll probably assemble en-masse to protest the new DL Harbour baths too :rolleyes:

zagmund

As a matter of interest, who did Treasury buy it from and where did the money go ?

z

Run_to_da_hills

zagmund wrote: »

Can you imagine the logistics of demolishing a structure like that which has no road access and is right beside the DART cables ? It's not like they can drive dumper trucks across the strand up to Sandymount, unless we have suddenly acquired a fleet of hover-trucks or something.

It's sad to see

The platform lifts at Blackrock station and a couple of wheelbarrows.

The Swordsman

The Idyll Race wrote: »

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Will this eyesore of the Dublin Southside commute be missed?
I think I was in the place only once in my life time as a child.

Anyone standing on the southbound platform at Blackrock station will now get drowned when there is a storm. :eek:




"The Blackrock baths in Co Dublin are to be demolished after being deemed “dangerous structures” by Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council.

There had been hopes that the seabaths, built in 1839 and, with their high-diving board, for many years the leading venue for water sports, would some day be reopened. They were closed in the 1980s.

Well-known for swimming galas, high-diving and water polo, the baths featured a 50m pool and could accommodate up to 1,000 spectators".

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/0903/1224323536297.html

Jesus.

Only in Ireland would we celebrate losing something of value. Eyesore my eye. The sea baths at Blackrock and Dun Laoghaire were fantastic facilities.

A Ryanair Ireland where we know the price of everything and the value of nothing is where we are.

There was also one at Clontarf that I used when I was a kid. Thought it was a great place. They used to have Christmas morning swims every year. What became of that?

donspeekinglesh

The Clontarf one is still there, closed up.
Think there was a planning application to build a restaurant there, but I don't know what became of that.

Seaswimmer

Tabnabs wrote: »

Or the locals could have shut the **** up and allowed the water complex to be built!

They'll probably assemble en-masse to protest the new DL Harbour baths too :rolleyes:

great idea. Lets let developers build whatever they want and wherever they want.

oh, hang on. I think we tried that already..

L1011

zagmund wrote: »

As a matter of interest, who did Treasury buy it from and where did the money go ?

z

Pembroke Estates I believe. And out of the country to whatever English gentry still own that...

The Idyll Race

MYOB wrote: »

Pembroke Estates I believe. And out of the country to whatever English gentry still own that...

Funny then how a bunch of English toffs provided facilities that "our own" took away from us.

Ironic, eh?

dowlingm

The way the baths were allowed to decay - how very Iarnrod Eireann! Who says different parts of government can't learn from each other. At least the LA in Limerick tried to slap a preservation order on the Foynes line, whereas when an LA has to cough up to keep something standing no notion of preservation orders, even though tenements built in 1939 can be found to have "outstanding heritage value"

Numpties.

end of the road

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council.

enough said. i'm surprised they haven't gone on a chainsaw massacre of anything of possible historical signifficance yet. oh wait didn't they demolish the old station at Dún Laoghaire? or am i thinking of something else? maybe their hoping for some more appartments that nobody wants? oh wait, now come to think of it, i'm wrong on that, i forgot the property/development boom has gone.

dublinman1990

Dun Laoghaire Baths have been repainted and are still retained to this very day.

I am surprised that the physical condition of the place in Blackrock went down so rapidly. The only people I see down at the Blackrock Baths now, when boarding or leaving a DART, are young people and Travellers.

I think that the only mad method (which IMO will never happen) would be through an controlled explosion.

Another consequence when that happens would be, that if it was demolished during the day, DART/Commuter Services could be curtailed and then returned to normal.

MadsL

end of the road wrote: »

enough said. i'm surprised they haven't gone on a chainsaw massacre of anything of possible historical signifficance yet. oh wait didn't they demolish the old station at Dún Laoghaire? or am i thinking of something else? maybe their hoping for some more appartments that nobody wants? oh wait, now come to think of it, i'm wrong on that, i forgot the property/development boom has gone.

Carlisle Pier ring a bell.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0522/1224270894714.html

THE DÚN Laoghaire Harbour Company may have to reinstate a Victorian railway station on Carlisle Pier following a ruling by An Bord Pleanála that its demolition last autumn required planning permission.

The Idyll Race

dowlingm wrote: »

The way the baths were allowed to decay - how very Iarnrod Eireann! Who says different parts of government can't learn from each other. At least the LA in Limerick tried to slap a preservation order on the Foynes line, whereas when an LA has to cough up to keep something standing no notion of preservation orders, even though tenements built in 1939 can be found to have "outstanding heritage value"

Numpties.

Ha ha, DLR CC "care and maintenance" all right! They certainly must have learned from the masters..

Judgement Day

CIE led the way as usual with the destruction of Cloncurry's Towers at Maretimo



- and Dun Laoghaire Rathdown Council/An Taisce presided over the destruction of the adjacent Romanesque bathing pavilion below.

patrickbrophy18

Tabnabs wrote: »

Or the locals could have shut the **** up and allowed the water complex to be built!

They'll probably assemble en-masse to protest the new DL Harbour baths too :rolleyes:

Unfortunately, NIMBY driven politics is to blame for the decay of Blackrock and Dun Laoghaire Baths and the general decline of business around the coastal towns of the Dun Laoghaire Rathdown burrough. The prolonged decay of the baths in question has made them a safety hazard. It wasn't exactly a huge help that it was frequently bombarded with salt water which is notorious for speeding up the rate of decay. Quite ironic really!;):D

zagmund

Fingal . . . Blackrock . . . tell us more.

z

Judgement Day

zagmund wrote: »

Fingal . . . Blackrock . . . tell us more.

z

Thanks - it's not the first time that I've done that! Can't get used to the new names.

Cookie_Monster

Hooray!
Remove the eysore, restore the fore shore and beach.

Now just have to convince them to knock the one in Dun Laoghaire down too before it falls down.

Victor

Given that this is Commuting & Transport‏, can we stick to the transport implications - how this will affect the station and pedestrian access.

Moderator

MadsL

Judgement Day wrote: »

CIE led the way as usual with the destruction of Cloncurry's Towers at Maretimo



- and Dun Laoghaire Rathdown Council/An Taisce presided over the destruction of the adjacent Romanesque bathing pavilion below.

An Taisce do not own that structure, nor have any control beyond making the usual observations/appeals on planning applications. In what respect did they 'preside' over destruction?

A particular heritage and architectural interest on this short section of route is the attractive 19th Century
Built Heritage structure of Lord Cloncurry’s Bridge. This structure is currently under the ownership of CIE
and is not used and in need of restoration. There is an opportunity for a partnership between S2S and CIE
to restore, reuse and enhance the bridge as a significant architectural feature in the area.

http://www.dra.ie/PDF/06_FINAL_report_section_12.pdf

The headland which is currently in private ownership is important for its built heritage. The
built heritage sites of the headland include Lord Cloncurry’s Temple Baths House, a Doric
temple with sea baths; a small stone built harbour and pier, an octagonal summerhouse, and
a small grotto. Although all of these sites are listed protected structures they have fallen into a
state of disrepair.

http://www.dra.ie/PDF/06_FINAL_report_section_12.pdf

You might want to enquire with DLRC as to the status of this report: DLP/246/10

Lord Cloncurry Bridge, Vance's Harbour and remains of Romanesque Temple

Question: Councillor V. Boyhan

“To ask the Manager to arrange for the Conservation Officers department to carry out an inspection of Lord Cloncurry Bridge, Vance's Harbour and the remains of the Romanesque Temple and to bring a report back to thic committee?"

Reply:

The Conservation Division will bring a report to the council on the 3 no. items referred to in the coming months, dependent on resources.

http://www.dlrcoco.ie/Meetings/2010/DLPT/May10.htm

Judgement Day

I'd like to reply to this but as Victor has requested no further off-topic posts and is probably just waiting to give me a site ban I will decline. This is why we need a Heritage sub-forum not that that will save the Cloncurry Towers or Temple.

Cookie_Monster

history & heritage would be appropriate forum, no?

What impact on transport would there be anyway? Some of the platform fenced off while the walls are pulled down, not much more than that?

Judgement Day

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

history & heritage would be appropriate forum, no?

What impact on transport would there be anyway? Some of the platform fenced off while the walls are pulled down, not much more than that?

Sadly not. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056737314

The Idyll Race

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

history & heritage would be appropriate forum, no?

What impact on transport would there be anyway? Some of the platform fenced off while the walls are pulled down, not much more than that?

Well, a good deal of the posts by regulars advocates closing or making useless for public transport significant chunks of the public transport infrastructure, so destruction of industrial and built heritage is on the same page, no?

Victor

Judgement Day wrote: »

I'd like to reply to this but as Victor has requested no further off-topic posts and is probably just waiting to give me a site ban I will decline. This is why we need a Heritage sub-forum not that that will save the Cloncurry Towers or Temple.

Feel free to post on Train & Rail Systems about it.

Africa

A shame, but ultimately, probably the right decisions. They arent used and havent been in ages, and all they do now is provide shelter to knacker drinking and druggies; before someone calls me on that, I see this on a nearly daily basis when commuting home.

The bit about the storms is accurate too. Its awful when the winds are up. So if removing this, what is now an eyesore, will help, then so be it.

Interesting point about how it will be demolished though with minimal impact on surrounding infrastructure.