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Tombi!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/pennsylvania-senate-hopeful-pregnancy-rape-similar-a-baby-wedlock-article-1.1145696

Pennsylvania Senate hopeful Tom Smith sparked controversy Monday after he compared a pregnancy resulting from rape to "having a baby out-of-wedlock" - days after Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.) shocked many by claiming that "legitimate rape" doesn't lead to pregnancy.
Smith tried to distance himself from Akin's comments at the Pennsylvania Press Club in Harrisburg, saying that the congressman "should have never said anything like that," the Harrisburg Patriot-News reported.
'LEGITIMATE RAPE' VICTIMS RARELY GET PREGNANT BECAUSE 'THE FEMALE BODY HAS WAYS TO TRY TO SHUT THAT WHOLE THING DOWN,' SAYS MISSOURI REPUBLICAN TODD AKIN
But when a reporter asked him what he would do if one of his daughters or granddaughters became pregnant as a result of rape, he said that he had "lived something similar to that with [his] own family," referring to his daughter's "out-of-wedlock" pregnancy from consensual sex.
"She chose life, and I commend her for that," Smith said. "She knew my views but fortunately for me … she chose the way I thought. Now don't get me wrong. It wasn't rape."
When pressed by another reporter, the 66-year-old reiterated the comparison of his daughter’s out-of-wedlock pregnancy to becoming pregnant from rape.
"Put yourself in a father's position. Yes, it is similar," he said.
Smith, who is running against incumbent Sen. Bob Casey (D-Pa.) in November, later clarified his statements at the same event.
"No … I said I went through a situation [with a daughter]. It's very, very difficult," Smith said. "But do I condone rape? Absolutely not. But do I propose life, yes I do. I'm pro-life, period."
OPINION: RIGHTLY EMBATTLED REP. TODD AKIN DOESN'T GET IT
Smith's comments come about a week after Akin, a six-term congressman, remarked that victims of "legitimate rape" rarely get pregnant because "the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."

I'd rarely quote anything like this but I'm completely confused as to even what to think. I can usually try to see people's opinions but I can't with this guy. The closest I can think is being raped and pregnant and being pregnant out of wedlock usually means the mother might not have a man supporting her but that's not generally the case out of wedlock.

Ash.J.Williams

ffs....not one of them has spoken about providing support for rape victims who are pregnant.

genericguy

another day, another stupid quote from a bible-bashing cnut.

smash

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I'd rarely quote anything

I can tell by your formatting of paragraphs

Tombi!

smash wrote: »

I can tell by your formatting of paragraphs

I copied and pasted

El Weirdo

Seriously considering starting a megathread for moronic things Republicans say about rape in the run up to the elections in November.

Tombi!

El Weirdo wrote: »

Seriously considering starting a megathread for moronic things Republicans say about rape in the run up to the elections in November.

Didn't we only have three so far? One about women being able to prevent being "raped" by force of will or something stupid and another one about how being pregnant by rape isn't really a bad thing and thne this one?

Gongoozler

El Weirdo wrote: »

Seriously considering starting a megathread for moronic things Republicans say about rape in the run up to the elections in November.

Or maybe we could all just ignore them. Idiots say a lot of idiotic things. Publicity is a wonderful thing for a politician.

pathtohome

Women on this site's obsession with rape in order to support the victim mentality in their heads is getting a bit ridiculous. Seems every day there's 10+ pointless threads on the subject.

mod: banned.

Zulu

Here: After Hours
And here: Politics

Priori

"Put yourself in a father's position. Yes, it is similar," he said.

:eek:

Yes, because he's "a father", he knows.

I doubt he knows how to be a father.

smash

pathtohome wrote: »

Women on this site's obsession with rape in order to support the victim mentality in their heads is getting a bit ridiculous. Seems every day there's 10+ pointless threads on the subject.

You've only been here 10 minutes!

marshbaboon

I reckon we put together an After Hours fund so we can travel to America...

...and rape him.

Duggy747

Mary had Jesus out of wedlock...........engaged, but not married.

Just sayin'......

pathtohome

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I'm male?

Male indoctrinated into an ultra-feminist culture. Not a man.

Genghiz Cohen

Godless Baby Eaters Forum

smash

pathtohome wrote: »

Male indoctrinated into an ultra-feminist culture. Not a man.

It appears that any time you've posted on boards you've been either passive aggressive or just generally aggressive.

Just sayin...

AnonoBoy

http://www.theonion.com/articles/things-that-shouldnt-be-said-in-modern-society-to,29336/

El Weirdo

pathtohome wrote: »

Women on this site's obsession with rape in order to support the victim mentality in their heads is getting a bit ridiculous. Seems every day there's 10+ pointless threads on the subject.

pathtohome wrote: »

Male indoctrinated into an ultra-feminist culture. Not a man.

Don't bother posting in this thread again.

/mod

AnonoBoy

smash wrote: »

You've only been here 10 minutes!

Yeah course he's only been here 10 minutes. :rolleyes:

hatrickpatrick

Let me guess, this guy is a Republican?
*yawn*
I'm delighted to be honest. Every idiotic remark they make is another nail in the coffin of any hope for them to get into power for another 4 years. I'm no fan of Obama's but the Republicans are at least a thousand times worse and I for one am thrilled that they are self destructing so spectacularly.

dr.bollocko

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Let me guess, this guy is a Republican?
*yawn*
I'm delighted to be honest. Every idiotic remark they make is another nail in the coffin of any hope for them to get into power for another 4 years. I'm no fan of Obama's but the Republicans are at least a thousand times worse and I for one am thrilled that they are self destructing so spectacularly.

Unfortunately with the partisan media they have in the US there will be plenty of spin put on this to pander to the republican sympathising parts of the media.

Boombastic

Duggy747 wrote: »

Mary had Jesus out of wedlock...........engaged, but not married.

Just sayin'......

No, No. Joey wasn't the father. She was having it away with GOD at the same time, or else GOD raped her

Grayson

I can see how he might have been misinterpreted or maybe just badly phrasing what he meant.

I think he was trying to say that in both cases a young woman is presented with an unwanted pregancy and has to make what may be a difficult choice.

Of course, that's ignoring the cause and how that too can have an impact on the decision making process. Obviously a woman who's pregnant as a result of an assault has **** loads more to deal with emotionally.

I'm trying to figure out if the guys stupid and can't see a difference or if he's incredibly inarticulate.

El Weirdo

Gongoozler wrote: »

Or maybe we could all just ignore them. Idiots say a lot of idiotic things. Publicity is a wonderful thing for a politician.

No way. Ignore them and they can carry on saying what they want and other morons will lap it up.

Call them out on it, I say - show them up for the fools they are.

hatrickpatrick

Boombastic wrote: »

No, No. Joey wasn't the father. She was having it away with GOD at the same time, or else GOD raped her

Jesus Christ is proof that abstinence is not a 100% effective form of contraception.
:pac:

dr.bollocko

The Republican Party is calling for a crackdown on pornography in a move that could pit social conservatives against hotel operators, television providers and other businesses that profit from the sale of sexually explicit material.

As they prepare to nominate Mitt Romney as their presidential candidate for the November 6 election, Republicans have added language to their official platform that anti-smut activists said would encourage the federal government to step up prosecution of pornography involving adults.

"Current laws on all forms of pornography and obscenity need to be vigorously enforced," the platform says, according to a draft obtained by Reuters. Republicans are planning a Tuesday vote on the document, a nonbinding statement of principles that tackles everything from monetary policy to abortion.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/27/us-usa-campaign-porn-idUSBRE87Q1A620120827

Those bastards.

Scanlas The 2nd

One of the main themes of religion is that of ensuring that a man can contract a woman who he knows has not slept with anyone else therefore ensuring her children are his. When that is your primary goal from a man's point of view who buys into the religious dogma you can see how the two are similar.

Tombi!

Grayson wrote: »

I can see how he might have been misinterpreted or maybe just badly phrasing what he meant.

I think he was trying to say that in both cases a young woman is presented with an unwanted pregancy and has to make what may be a difficult choice.

Of course, that's ignoring the cause and how that too can have an impact on the decision making process. Obviously a woman who's pregnant as a result of an assault has **** loads more to deal with emotionally.

I'm trying to figure out if the guys stupid and can't see a difference or if he's incredibly inarticulate.

Wait, isn't out of wedlock just not being married? I don't know many rape victims but I don't think the rapists stay around to support the children.

I'm not arguing with you or anything; I'm just still really curious as to what it could be interpeted as.

hatrickpatrick

dr.bollocko wrote: »

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/27/us-usa-campaign-porn-idUSBRE87Q1A620120827

Those bastards.

herp derp SMALL GOVERNMENT hurr durr OBAMA IS AN ANTI FREEDOM FASCIST etc etc etc

AnonoBoy

dr.bollocko wrote: »

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/27/us-usa-campaign-porn-idUSBRE87Q1A620120827

Those bastards.

Well that's them sunk.

Pornography is as American as apple-pie.

Except Swedish pornography which is as Swedish as Ikea (and often filmed on their furniture)

Grayson

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Wait, isn't out of wedlock just not being married? I don't know many rape victims but I don't think the rapists stay around to support the children.

I'm not arguing with you or anything; I'm just still really curious as to what it could be interpeted as.

I mean a teenage girl in the US who gets pregnant is faced with two options. a) have an abortion. b) Keep it. They're the same two options a rape victim has.

Esentially the guy is right. But like I said he's ignoring the cause of the pregnancy which lets face is is a huge factor in the decision making. So he's technically right, but really wrong.

Honestly I think it might be 50% stupidity and 50% inability to articulate his sentiments.
I mean, come on, the guy at one point felt he had to say that he was not a supporter of rape.

smash

Grayson wrote: »

I mean a teenage girl in the US who gets pregnant is faced with two options. a) have an abortion. b) Keep it. They're the same two options a rape victim has.

They're the same 2 options that any woman has, not matter what her circumstances are.

Grayson wrote: »

Esentially the guy is right.

No he's not. Not at all.

Grayson

smash wrote: »

No he's not. Not at all.

That's it. Ignore the next sentance.

smash

Grayson wrote: »

That's it. Ignore the next sentance.

I didn't ignore it. You even went on to say "he's technically right, but really wrong." which is also not true. He's not right in the slightest.

Tombi!

smash wrote: »

I didn't ignore it. You even went on to say "he's technically right, but really wrong." which is also not true. He's not right in the slightest.

I kind of understand what he's right in. Assuming (generally speaking) that the majority of women that are raped also have boyfriends that will stay with them if they get pregnant would be around the same as women who get pregnant out of wedlock then it is technically correct that they're both in the same situation (pregnant and the boyfriend might run away).

But it's not "right" in any moral sense, though.

Grayson

smash wrote: »

I didn't ignore it. You even went on to say "he's technically right, but really wrong." which is also not true. He's not right in the slightest.

He is. Both girls would face an extremly difficult decision.
He's wrong because he's ignoring all the other stuff.

But hey, don't let yourself see the grey areas in any argument.

smash

Grayson wrote: »

He is. Both girls would face an extremly difficult decision.
He's wrong because he's ignoring all the other stuff.

But hey, don't let yourself see the grey areas in any argument.

It's the same choices for any woman who gets pregnant without planning it disregarding if she's single, married, unmarried or has been raped.

Grayson

smash wrote: »

It's the same choices for any woman who gets pregnant without planning it disregarding if she's single, married, unmarried or has been raped.

So there's no difference between rape, unplanned pregancy and a planned pregnancy? Shouldn't you be in florida?

smash

Grayson wrote: »

So there's no difference between rape, unplanned pregancy and a planned pregnancy? Shouldn't you be in florida?

Same choices about the foetus but like I said earlier, there's a big difference so you can't compare the scenarios.