Dublin tall ships

wellboy76

Does anyone know if there are plans to bring this home to waterford after giving the dubs a loan of it for a year?

The media have been all over it this year predictably unlike when we had it, the city needs to get it back, hopefully as soon as possible to help waterford from dying on its knees. The quays in Waterford suited the event much better in my opinion.

miller50841

Sure dublin bus sent buses down so had a bit of dublin in it all along:D

freedominacup

wellboy76 wrote: »

Does anyone know if there are plans to bring this home to waterford after giving the dubs a loan of it for a year?

God I hope not. I went to see the Tall Ships for the first time last year and hated every second of it. It was like the fifth circle of hell on the quay. Trestle tables along the waterfront stacked high with cheap off license beer, drunks every where a more unsuitable environment for families it's hard to imagine. The dirt and general dissarray of the people and environment was hard to credit. I couldn't see much upside for any business in Waterford from it other than a few offies near the quay and I suppose the hotels.

If there's to be a return I hope real efforts are made to improve the "product" both the event and the venue. Setting up the quay for a huge outdoor p***up doesn't count as making the best use of the oppurtunity.

michellie

freedominacup wrote: »

wellboy76 wrote: »

Does anyone know if there are plans to bring this home to waterford after giving the dubs a loan of it for a year?

God I hope not. I went to see the Tall Ships for the first time last year and hated every second of it. It was like the fifth circle of hell on the quay. Trestle tables along the waterfront stacked high with cheap off license beer, drunks every where a more unsuitable environment for families it's hard to imagine. The dirt and general dissarray of the people and environment was hard to credit. I couldn't see much upside for any business in Waterford from it other than a few offies near the quay and I suppose the hotels.

If there's to be a return I hope real efforts are made to improve the "product" both the event and the venue. Setting up the quay for a huge outdoor p***up doesn't count as making the best use of the oppurtunity.

Ah go away would ya, it was a Fantasic weekend , your the only person I've heard to complain about it and I happen to know some very fussy people!

wellboy76

+1

alexlyons

being on duty for this event this year, there is little or no on street drinking. there is a serious amount of officials from all organisations wandering around and there is a great buzz!

Skuxx

wellboy76 wrote: »

Does anyone know if there are plans to bring this home to waterford after giving the dubs a loan of it for a year?

The media have been all over it this year predictably unlike when we had it, the city needs to get it back, hopefully as soon as possible to help waterford from dying on its knees. The quays in Waterford suited the event much better in my opinion.

I have to agree on the point of Waterford being more suited to the event! I have taken part in the races myself so have been with it to a few different ports around the world, and Waterford was one of the better ones I think! The port layout but also the general atmosphere in around the city was great! I was in dublin yesterday and it was the worst port I've seen it in by far! I don't know why but it just didn't seem to gel with the city!

After having it here 2 years in a row I can't see it coming back for another 5/6 years at least, especially now that we no longer have a ship competing!

Teebor15

alan1990 wrote: »

After having it here 2 years in a row I can't see it coming back for another 5/6 years at least, especially now that we no longer have a ship competing!

I thought it was 2005 and 2011 they were in Waterford.

Skuxx

Teebor15 wrote: »

I thought it was 2005 and 2011 they were in Waterford.

Yeah Waterford 2011 and Dublin 2012....I ment Ireland as a whole not just Waterford

JenniFurr

They'll be back eventually I'd say. Give it a chance, we still haven't taken down last years banner across the quay!

ex_infantry man

JenniFurr wrote: »

They'll be back eventually I'd say. Give it a chance, we still haven't taken down last years banner across the quay!

thats prob because they can't afford to cover up the eyesore that is the flour mill with something else

Professey Chin

ex_infantry man wrote: »

thats prob because they can't afford to cover up the eyesore that is the flour mill with something else

Anybody know anyone with some explosives?
Take it out once & for all.......

JenniFurr

ex_infantry man wrote: »

thats prob because they can't afford to cover up the eyesore that is the flour mill with something else

I'd say you hit the nail on the head there. I suppose it's better than the creepy child that was on it before.

ex_infantry man

The Great Chinholio wrote: »

Anybody know anyone with some explosives?
Take it out once & for all.......

its the first ever reinforced building ever built in this country so it would be a very hard job to bring that down with explosives

Professey Chin

JenniFurr wrote: »

I'd say you hit the nail on the head there. I suppose it's better than the creepy child that was on it before.

No way! The child picture was different and a great talking point. Looked awesome on foggy days.

ex_infantry man wrote: »

its the first ever reinforced building ever built in this country so it would be a very hard job to bring that down with explosives

Damn.....lots of explosives?

JenniFurr

The Great Chinholio wrote: »

No way! The child picture was different and a great talking point. Looked awesome on foggy days.

Each to their own. Wasn't my cup of tea at all but I'm not particularly fond kids.

Funfair

ex_infantry man wrote: »

its the first ever reinforced building ever built in this country so it would be a very hard job to bring that down with explosives

Give the job to Sinn Fein they'll get the right man for the job :cool:

BBM77

The Great Chinholio wrote: »

Anybody know anyone with some explosives?
Take it out once & for all.......

:eek: NOOOO! With a good architect that could be restored to a new use. The back has a certain architectural quality to it. If the silos and other external metal bits were removed there is a shell of a building that something could be done with exactly like what happened with the granary building. This is the kind of thing that would help Waterford with its jobs problem. Restore this building to office space and work to get a company to move in. There is no large scale office space in the city for a sizeable company to locate in. Why not fix this by redeveloping a brown field site.

Jason Todd

BBM77 wrote: »

:eek: NOOOO! With a good architect that could be restored to a new use. The back has a certain architectural quality to it. If the silos and other external metal bits were removed there is a shell of a building that something could be done with exactly like what happened with the granary building. This is the kind of thing that would help Waterford with its jobs problem. Restore this building to office space and work to get a company to move in. There is no large scale office space in the city for a sizeable company to locate in. Why not fix this by redeveloping a brown field site.

I've often wondered that, surely some of it could be kept/restored/renovated? If there was buildings going to go there, it would seem a bit of a waste to just level the place first.

bilibob

There are loads of empty office buildings, Railway square, Maritana gate, and all the spaces out in the industrial estate. But I know what you mean. The googles and paypals that dublin gets take entire blocks of office space. the buildings on the north quays do have a certain architectural beauty and probably would be big enough and would have room for expansion if needs must.
Thinking of the tall ships, I'm glad Dublin had a good run at it, and I dont think its fair to be almost 'jealous' of their success in Dublin. There were plenty from Dublin who supported our tall ships festival last year.

BBM77

http://buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=record&county=WA&regno=22900908

Just found this, the part I was talking about is older than I thought, it was built in 1905. I think it is just another case of Waterford people not realising the significance of what we have.

Smell the glove

I thought I heard somewhere that it can't come back to Ireland until 2016? If so you can guarantee Dublin will get it with it being the 100 year anniversary of the Easter Rising. So forget about drinking cans on the quay for it that year.

John_Rambo

I was at both the Waterford and Dublin event (and the previous Dublin one a few years ago)... The Dublin event was amazing. Great atmosphere, amazing buzz on the quays stretching in to town. It was very much a family event rather than a drinking cans event, families and kids enjoying the ships and all the good food on offer on either side of the quays. Alan1990 has it all wrong to be honest. I got chatting to a good few of the crews and they felt Dublin was the best stop over.

Skuxx

John_Rambo wrote: »

I was at both the Waterford and Dublin event (and the previous Dublin one a few years ago)... The Dublin event was amazing. Great atmosphere, amazing buzz on the quays stretching in to town. It was very much a family event rather than a drinking cans event, families and kids enjoying the ships and all the good food on offer on either side of the quays. Alan1990 has it all wrong to be honest. I got chatting to a good few of the crews and they felt Dublin was the best stop over.

I never knew an opinion could be wrong!
You were chatting to some crew who gave their opinion, I gave my opinion....who decides which is right and which is wrong??

John_Rambo

alan1990 wrote: »

I never knew an opinion could be wrong

Well you learn something new every day. Now, I'm (unlike you) not putting down the Waterford event, I really enjoyed it, I just think your opinion of the event not suiting Dublin is wrong. The Dublin event was enjoyed by an awful lot of people!!

Skuxx

John_Rambo wrote: »

Well you learn something new every day. Now, I'm (unlike you) not putting down the Waterford event, I really enjoyed it, I just think your opinion of the event not suiting Dublin is wrong. The Dublin event was enjoyed by an awful lot of people!!

Where did I put down the Waterford event? I'm pretty sure I said it was one of the better ones I've been at!

Listen I'm not going to argue with you about it, and I'm not going to be ignorant and tell you your opinion is wrong, it's your opinion and I respect that! I've been to the tall ships in Waterford both times, I was crew on a ship in Gdynia, St Petersburg and Turku, I was in Dublin this year and in my opinion out of all the ports I've been to I felt Dublin was the worst!
Don't get me wrong I enjoyed it and it was great to see the ships, but I'm entitled to my opinion!

Do you mind me asking what crews you were talking to? Permie crew who travel the world on the boats or the trainees who sailed over form La Coronia, because I'm sure they would give you very different answers!

John_Rambo

No, you put down the Dublin event.

It was a massive success, the quays were shut down and pedestrianised, there were hundreds of food stalls, it was very well organised. Everyone I met there was having a ball, visitors and crews. I was out in the bay for the floatilla... overall a great regatta and family weekend.

Benimar

John_Rambo wrote: »

No, you put down the Dublin event.

It was a massive success, the quays were shut down and pedestrianised, there were hundreds of food stalls, it was very well organised. Everyone I met there was having a ball, visitors and crews. I was out in the bay for the floatilla... overall a great regatta and family weekend.

You obviously aren't including the Luas in this. I was at the Dublin one on Sunday and to say public transport was a joke would be an understatement.

The Luas was packed, to crushing levels, with no-one at the stops controlling people getting on. It was actually dangerous, and thankfully there wasn't an accident. They then decided to terminate some services at Heuston, despite the tram being packed, meaning everyone had to get off and wait for the next, already overflowing, tram to arrive.

I think this may be where the idea that Waterford is better suited for the Tall Ships comes from. Getting into and out of Dublin City Centre was a nightmare, compared to getting into Waterford last year.

I also felt the atmosphere wasn't great for some reason. There was an awful lot of people there, but for some reason there was a lack of 'buzz'. As silly as it sounds, I think it was too packed and people were getting hot and bothered trying to get around.

Jason Todd

John_Rambo wrote: »

No, you put down the Dublin event.

It was a massive success, the quays were shut down and pedestrianised, there were hundreds of food stalls, it was very well organised. Everyone I met there was having a ball, visitors and crews. I was out in the bay for the floatilla... overall a great regatta and family weekend.

The bit I've bolded is identical to the Waterford event. :pac:

John_Rambo

Benimar wrote: »

It was actually dangerous

Really, that's terrible, you must be traumatised. I got a Dublin bike myself, you should try them, then I got a Dart to Howth, it was packed, but that isn't a bother to most people...

Jason Todd wrote: »

The bit I've bolded is identical to the Waterford event.

Thanks, but no need, as I have already said, the Waterford event was great.

JenniFurr

Benimar wrote: »

You obviously aren't including the Luas in this. I was at the Dublin one on Sunday and to say public transport was a joke would be an understatement.

The Luas was packed, to crushing levels, with no-one at the stops controlling people getting on. It was actually dangerous, and thankfully there wasn't an accident. They then decided to terminate some services at Heuston, despite the tram being packed, meaning everyone had to get off and wait for the next, already overflowing, tram to arrive.

I don't know how this is any different to the Luas the majority of the time. I used to get the red line everyday. I've many memories like being called out for a fight with a 16 year old girl, overhearing chats between shoplifters on their way to court and being squished in general.

Benimar

JenniFurr wrote: »

I don't know how this is any different to the Luas the majority of the time. I used to get the red line everyday. I've many memories like being called out for a fight with a 16 year old girl, overhearing chats between shoplifters on their way to court and being squished in general.

At the best of times it can be a nightmare ok, but Sunday was the worst I've seen. People were getting off from Jervis on and walking down as they couldn't handle it any more. As much as a previous poster tried to trivialise it, people were literally wedged in.

All it would have taken was for someone to be at the 'major' stops either allowing or stopping people getting on.

John_Rambo

Benimar wrote: »

people were literally wedged in

Just shows you how popular the Dublin event stop over was. As mentioned yourself, even with the huge volumes, there wasn't an accident. Cracking, well organised event.

Benimar

John_Rambo wrote: »

Just shows you how popular the Dublin event stop over was. As mentioned yourself, even with the huge volumes, there wasn't an accident. Cracking, well organised event.

More through luck than any good planning by the way. The numbers were also increased by the All Ireland semi final.

Well organised event it most certainly was not.

Partizan

wellboy76 wrote: »

Does anyone know if there are plans to bring this home to waterford after giving the dubs a loan of it for a year?

The media have been all over it this year predictably unlike when we had it, the city needs to get it back, hopefully as soon as possible to help waterford from dying on its knees. The quays in Waterford suited the event much better in my opinion.

It wont be back in Ireland for another 5 years and then it will be held in Belfast. I'm afraid Waterford will not get it again for a long time. It will take more than a Tall Ships event every few years to stop Waterford from dying on its arse.

John_Rambo

Benimar wrote: »

The numbers were also increased by the All Ireland semi final.

I forgot about the All Ireland. Great that the city can handle the largest festival in the country along with the All Ireland, the city was really jumping, great friendly buzz around the place. I was just talking to a few friends that sailed up from Waterford, they thought it was one of the best festivals they have every been to.

Great write up here in the Times.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0826/breaking18.html

The negative comments about the Dublin event here are petty.

Jamie2k9

I was at both the Waterford and Dublin event (and the previous Dublin one a few years ago)... The Dublin event was amazing. Great atmosphere, amazing buzz on the quays stretching in to town. It was very much a family event rather than a drinking cans event, families and kids enjoying the ships and all the good food on offer on either side of the quays. Alan1990 has it all wrong to be honest. I got chatting to a good few of the crews and they felt Dublin was the best stop over.

Was at Dublin this year and in Waterford the last two times and a number of other cities in Northern Europe over the last few years. Felt Dublin lacked atmosphere/buzz compared to Waterford larger crowds could have an affect IMO and a few people who were there said the same. Dublin lost out on a larger number of ships as they were in London which was unlucky but it was still great.

Public transport in Dublin was a disgrace in particular trains, overall I felt that DCC and public transport operators should of come together and came up with plans. (they probably did but it wasn't reflected in the shambles over the weekend.)

Just shows you how popular the Dublin event stop over was. As mentioned yourself, even with the huge volumes, there wasn't an accident. Cracking, well organised event.

No disrespect but have you evdience to back that statement up as I have heard differently and i also don't think its revelent.

I have herad stories about peoples impression many who were visitors to Ireland and it was very mixed but expect that is from all events.

John_Rambo

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

No disrespect but have you evdience to back that statement up as I have heard differently and i also don't think its revelent

Ah, jealous, bitchy pub talk is all you heard! Regarding evidence, I'm afraid you can't bottle the type of atmosphere Dublin produces at a festival! But... You have my word and there are plenty of reports and articles in various papers and websites that will tell you how good it was, and what a success it was. And, of course it's relevant, it's a thread about the Dublin Tall Ships Festival!