Re: Stratfor wikileaks - what do you make of this?

Be like Nutella

so I bump into the whole wikileaks from stratfor and this particluar email conversation... verrry interesting.. I underlined the conspiracy theorists wet dream part... starts at bottom

http://mirror2.wikileaks-press.org/gifiles/docs/382150_re-info-another-mossad-intelligence-operation-internal.html

Released on 2012-03-15 12:00 GMT

Email-ID 382150
Date 2010-03-25 23:45:39
From burton@stratfor.com
To sean.noonan@stratfor.com, secure@stratfor.com
Back in the day, the Agency were in just about every major MNC with
international operations. Today, I know one.

How many Chinese or Israeli companies have plants?
Oh about 90 percent.

Who is swirling around the intel bowl?

Er...the one who holds birthday parties for double agents because we have
none.

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From: Sean Noonan
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:30:02 -0500
To: Fred Burton
Cc: 'Secure List'
Subject: Re: Info - Another MOSSAD Intelligence Operation ** internal use
only - pls do not forward **
And why wouldn't the Chinese (especially) or Americans doing this too?

Fred Burton wrote:

Business intelligence.

There is a MOSSAD operative under business cover stealing other
companies secrets from this group.

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From: Sean Noonan [mailto:sean.noonan@stratfor.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 5:27 PM
To: Fred Burton
Cc: 'Secure List'
Subject: Re: Info - Another MOSSAD Intelligence Operation ** internal
use only - pls do not forward **
I'll look into this a little more, but I would find it hard to believe
that a number of other agencies haven't also infiltrated it.

Fred Burton wrote:

http://www.scip.org/

According to the FBI (not for attribution) the MOSSAD has infiltrated
this organziation.


About SCIP

The Society of Competitive Intelligence Professionals (SCIP) is a
global nonprofit membership organization for everyone involved in
creating and managing business knowledge. Our mission is to enhance
the success of our members through leadership, education, advocacy,
and networking.

Specifically, SCIP provides education and networking opportunities for
business professionals working in the rapidly growing field of
competitive intelligence (the legal and ethical collection and
analysis of information regarding the capabilities, vulnerabilities,
and intentions of business competitors). Many SCIP members have
backgrounds in market research, strategic analysis, or science and
technology.

Established in 1986, today SCIP has chapters around the world, with
individual members in nations around the globe. In addition, SCIP has
alliance partnerships with independent affiliate organizations in many
countries.

--
Sean Noonan
ADP- Tactical Intelligence
Mobile: +1 512-758-5967
Strategic Forecasting, Inc.
www.stratfor.com



--
Sean Noonan
ADP- Tactical Intelligence
Mobile: +1 512-758-5967
Strategic Forecasting, Inc.
www.stratfor.com





Back in the day, the Agency were in just about every major MNC with
international operations. Today, I know one.

The conversation was between Fred Burton who is this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Burton
and
Sean Noonan is Tactical Analyst under Nate Huges at Stratfor

This was a candid conversation which was thought to be on a secure email system but it got hacked and given to wikileaks. The comment in question is by Fred Burton (2nd in command at Stratfor)... he' saying blatantly that the US had CIA guys working within every major Multinational Company 'back in the day'... that would seem to mean not just US companies...


anyway make what you will of it I thought it was a very telling and candid comment by somebody of his stature within the intelligence community (previously).

the leaks are here and are fascinating... there's one from the day Assange was picked up beetween Burton and a 'partner' in Australia in a firm called Himalayan consulting and Burton says and I quote
" Revenge is a dish best served cold "...


http://mirror2.wikileaks-press.org/gifiles/date/2010.html

Torakx

Its believable anyway.
Im just not sure how well we could verify its legitimacy.
I dont know alot about wiki leaks sources either.

When was back in the day do you reckon?
And do they mean EVERY multinational company?

So is SCIP pretty much the CIA or Mossad? If its Mossad do you think Israel have taken over the intl bussiness for both them and the states, since they seem to boss the Us around quite alot in general anyway in my eyes.

Example the ex prime minister of Israel getting involved with American media.

Be like Nutella

just think that the guy who made the comment has spent his life in intelligence circles and the comment was just off the cuff in a personal email conversation and so I would say it is believable that he believes it and therefore would I IF I am to believe these leaks are not messed with which I do but that's my own prerogative. I would have thought the CIA had guys inside some companies yeah sure during the cold war but he seems to say they had many many guys out there working in MNC's and by the tone of the comment I reckon in every kind of MNC both American and otherwise. It's a pretty big statement in my view and supports other theories about American government effecting the business world nefariously eg. Boeing vs Airbus situation where the EU found it likely that they had used information gleamed from their intelligence assets to nail Airbus for bribes it made to mid east business guys during a tendering process... a further report which involved an Irish MEP then teased out this case and made a judgement that the 'Echelon' system had been used to listen to communications by Airbus and would-be clients to get to that conclusion... add that (NSA) to the comment we refer to vis a vis CIA 'moles' within many MNC's and you get a picture of a history of eavesdropping and essentially spying on the international business world using the state intelligence apparatus to do so which is... hmmm... not good. But you could say I've added 2 + 2 and gotten 9 if you like... I don't think my conjecture is illogical or unfounded and it's certainly not based entirely on this guys comment I'm merely saying his comment is remarkable given his career and weighted opinion and the fact the comment seems to me as frank and honest within the realms of a personal conversation on what was considered a secure system at the time. It's lengthier to qualify comments here but better than me just saying - he said this therefore - x,y,z and blow up some unbelievable theory as I see regularly.

Torakx

It does seem likely.
I just have a suspicion about wiki leaks i cant quite shake yet.