Counter-Strike: Global Offensive

Grimebox

So this is coming out to general release soon. I'm going to have to buy it considering how many hours I sank into 1.6. I'm not expecting much at all to be honest. I hope to ****ing god they don't implement the "looking down the barrel" aiming system shown in the trailer at around 1.38 in the trailer. I always hated that from COD etc. I can't see half the screen or what I'm shooting at. Molotov's will be removed after the first patch

Cinematic trailer that was released yesterday, its nice to see de_nuke in a different light.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edYCtaNueQY

Genghiz Cohen

Some of the comments make me a sad panda.

Dont be at yourself

Can't wait for this. Used to be hooked on this, but haven't really played it since the early day of 1.6.. We need a server for crack-handed old fogies like myself.

Grimebox

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

Some of the comments make me a sad panda.

First rule of youtube is never read the comments. Even the top rated comment is often drivel

Magill

You can already play the beta if you pre-order on steam.

Grimebox wrote: »

So this is coming out to general release soon. I'm going to have to buy it considering how many hours I sank into 1.6. I'm not expecting much at all to be honest.

I think its good anyway, you'll get a lot of 1.6 "fanboys" that are hating on it without having played the game.. much like how they played source for a few hours within the first year or so of release and never gave it a chance once valve actually made the game decent. Right now, source is perfect as a competitive title.. just gotta have a bit of patience and an open mind !. CS:GO is much better than CSS was even a year after release imo.

I hope to ****ing god they don't implement the "looking down the barrel" aiming system shown in the trailer at around 1.38 in the trailer.

They haven't

Molotov's will be removed after the first patch

They won't, they're actually very interesting imo... a bit of tweaking and they'll be perfect for competitive play, will add a new dynamic to a 13 year old *formula.

It'll be interesting to see how it turns out for consoles tbh, i think if they can somehow work in the most popular mods (Besides gungame, its already there) it could be really popular, the zombie mod is really good and seems to have the support of the developers. That would be a big hit with the CoD community imo.

Overheal

beta is good. Like the ranked matches which basically act like gun game a bit. The twist though is you only upgrade once per round regardless of how many kills you get (more kills you get a better grenade the next round) and it's not always a "better" weapon. eg. you upgrade from the desert eagle into the pump action shotgun and from there into a five seven back into a rifle etc. but thats just one option for play

Hawke

Tell me when no AWP mode. I'd rather not deal with people getting 4K in pubs and proceeding to reduce the skill level of the whole lobby.

Magill

Hawke wrote: »

Tell me when no AWP mode. I'd rather not deal with people getting 4K in pubs and proceeding to reduce the skill level of the whole lobby.

lol. There are already weapon restrictions on some servers (Noob servers, as we like to call them).

Grimebox

Hawke wrote: »

Tell me when no AWP mode. I'd rather not deal with people getting 4K in pubs and proceeding to reduce the skill level of the whole lobby.

AWP is fine. I can't believe there was never any servers out there that restrict flashbangs. The rage they used to give on public servers was insane

Creamy Goodness

first game of cs i've played since 1.6, it's not bad but it's just not the same as it used to be or maybe i'm just too old now.

ShadowHearth

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

first game of cs i've played since 1.6, it's not bad but it's just not the same as it used to be or maybe i'm just too old now.

i think it is already showing its age.

on the other hand me and my buddy went for competitive 5vs5 mode and it was surprisingly sweet! 5v5 is just perfect number. not too crowded and you can be more tactical.

Dcully

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

first game of cs i've played since 1.6, it's not bad but it's just not the same as it used to be or maybe i'm just too old now.

I can only echo these thoughts.
Ive been in the beta about 5 months ,played on and off but it just feels the same.
Not a bad thing for CS fans maybe?

Overheal

Hawke wrote: »

Tell me when no AWP mode. I'd rather not deal with people getting 4K in pubs and proceeding to reduce the skill level of the whole lobby.

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/AWPer_Hand :pac:

Coregan101

Overheal wrote: »

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/AWPer_Hand :pac:

Sadly that's just a reskin of the normal sniper rifle. Made me sad.

st3veebee

Been a fan of CS for a while (never particularly great at it..) so picked up this preorder on Steam.

I really like it. It hasn't changed that much which is great and a little dissapointing as well. Classic levels (no Assault??) and familiar guns are all to be expected but the molotovs, new shotties and proper gun game mode are brilliant.

Only time will tell how quickly I get bored of it though.

Magill

st3veebee wrote: »

Been a fan of CS for a while (never particularly great at it..) so picked up this preorder on Steam.

I really like it. It hasn't changed that much which is great and a little dissapointing as well. Classic levels (no Assault??) and familiar guns are all to be expected but the molotovs, new shotties and proper gun game mode are brilliant.

Only time will tell how quickly I get bored of it though.

haha needs Assault for sure ! It'll no doubt be developed by custom mappers tho

Ri_Nollaig

Grimebox wrote: »

I hope to ****ing god they don't implement the "looking down the barrel" aiming system shown in the trailer at around 1.38 in the trailer. I always hated that from COD etc.

can you tell me why?
I always thought it was a big improvement when games like Call of Duty and Hidden and Dangerous had it, but yet release and after release and CS still remained the same.
Its like they are stuck trying to appease their core fans and yet still trying to keep the game fresh.

I pre-ordered CS:GO when it was a bit cheaper a few weeks ago so have been playing the beta. Its good fun, don't get me wrong and well priced too but as far as I can tell its still just the same 13 year old game with slightly improved graphics now. Will wait for the full release before I'll have really made up my opinion on it.

Grimebox

Ri_Nollaig wrote: »

can you tell me why?
I always thought it was a big improvement when games like Call of Duty and Hidden and Dangerous had it, but yet release and after release and CS still remained the same.
Its like they are stuck trying to appease their core fans and yet still trying to keep the game fresh.

I pre-ordered CS:GO when it was a bit cheaper a few weeks ago so have been playing the beta. Its good fun, don't get me wrong and well priced too but as far as I can tell its still just the same 13 year old game with slightly improved graphics now. Will wait for the full release before I'll have really made up my opinion on it.

Why do you like it? How is it an improvement? I can't see its appeal.

It was a nice novelty at first but just got in the way of playing the game. I can't see almost half the screen. I don't understand how it could possibly be an improvement. Maybe from a realism point of view it could be seen as an improvement but if your playing games like these for realism, your playing the wrong games.

I like that CS:GO is "stuck" trying to appease its core fans. Heaven forbid it tries to be like the rest of the generic shooters that are being churned out recently

balkieb2002

I was quite happy when for example the orginal Call of Duty (COD1) brought in ADS as it made it lot easier to aim (with rifles and the german weapon etc) then in most other shooters around at the time.

In CS:S (and before) there was the bullpup* and the commando krieg* I think that had scopes on the rifles which allowed the right mouse to aim further in the distance but in a non-obtrusive way. I would have liked a secondary mode added to other weapons too.
Am I right to remember you couldn't change the rate of fire in your weapons either (bar the Glock* (terrorist starting weapon)).

Still though I would love to be able to aim down the sights with an AK - still one of the only games where I actually liked using the AK47.

*Forgive the possible bad names but its been a good while since I've felt the urge to play CS.

Canis Lupus

In single player 'iron sights' or whatever you want to call it is fine. In multiplayer it's a total mare. Or I could be just old and bitter due to my failing reactions and inability to deal with change.

Magill

balkieb2002 wrote: »

I was quite happy when for example the orginal Call of Duty (COD1) brought in ADS as it made it lot easier to aim (with rifles and the german weapon etc) then in most other shooters around at the time.

ADS is great for some games but it doesn't make aiming easier on PC(Its handy for snipers/1HK weapons in CoD tho, granted)... on console it helps a lot tho as it allows for 2 sensitivities (Faster sens when not ADS so you can turn faster etc, and a slower sens when ADS, so you can be more accurate when ADS. Theres no real need for that in a game like CS, just as theres no need for it in quake/UT/Halo.

I would have liked a secondary mode added to other weapons too.
Am I right to remember you couldn't change the rate of fire in your weapons either (bar the Glock* (terrorist starting weapon)).

The famas also has a burst fire mode... USP HAD a silencer and the M4 silencer will be added in the near future apparently. There is no real need for alternate firing rates on the other guns tho when you can just do controlled bursts yourself.

balkieb2002

Magill wrote: »

ADS is great for some games but it doesn't make aiming easier on PC(Its handy for snipers/1HK weapons in CoD tho, granted)... on console it helps a lot tho as it allows for 2 sensitivities (Faster sens when not ADS so you can turn faster etc, and a slower sens when ADS, so you can be more accurate when ADS. Theres no real need for that in a game like CS, just as theres no need for it in quake/UT/Halo.

Thats was my bad wording. I didn't actually mean easier as in easier kills, I just meant you could be more accurate i.e. aim down the sight, line up the shot and fire... i mean with everything from pistols to shotguns.

I'm not sure I could compare CS to arena shooters like Quake and UT as I found it myself to be a more tactical, slower shooter compared to the latter (though some rounds do turn out the other way!).

Magill wrote: »

The famas also has a burst fire mode... USP HAD a silencer and the M4 silencer will be added in the near future apparently. There is no real need for alternate firing rates on the other guns tho when you can just do controlled bursts yourself.

Ah yeah I did forgot about the famas.
You are right though about the above as I do remember tapping the mouse for those long single shots... just probably too used to having this option is most of the recent shooters.

Grimebox

Bullpup and Krieg (Steyr Aug and SG552) had a slower rate of fire when you zoomed in. I never really found much of a use for it though

st3veebee

To get that little bit more accurate you crouch! Job done.

Honestly Valve were gonna get some hate regardless:

Change the game (Add ADS, different weapons, modes etc new sounds) and people would say "this isn't Counter Strike anymore, just call it something enw and stop using the title to sell"

Keep it the same, as they have, and people say "what's the point? Just new graphics? Bleh"

I'm happy with what they have done anyway!

Magill

balkieb2002 wrote: »

Thats was my bad wording. I didn't actually mean easier as in easier kills, I just meant you could be more accurate i.e. aim down the sight, line up the shot and fire... i mean with everything from pistols to shotguns.

I'm not sure I could compare CS to arena shooters like Quake and UT as I found it myself to be a more tactical, slower shooter compared to the latter (though some rounds do turn out the other way!).

I don't get how it'd be easier to line up a shot tho your still aiming for the center of the screen... only now you'd have a big gun blocking half your view !

Ri_Nollaig

Grimebox wrote: »

Why do you like it? How is it an improvement? I can't see its appeal.

It was a nice novelty at first but just got in the way of playing the game. I can't see almost half the screen. I don't understand how it could possibly be an improvement. Maybe from a realism point of view it could be seen as an improvement but if your playing games like these for realism, your playing the wrong games.

It is more immersive, it allows for two stances when holding the gun, quick hip fire/panic and aimed.
When CS originally came out it was the first real tachical shooter (that I remember anyway) that became popular online. Everyone else were still playing Qauke and UT. I perfered CS because I perfer using real world (ish) weapons then sci-fi.
Cod1 was the first popular multiplayer shooter that introduced ADS or whatever you want to call it. It was a great game for its day and up till Cod4 was still a great series (ignoring the console only 3), fell off a cliff after that...
Its just on one hand you have people saying CS is better as its more realistic/tachincal yet on the other you are ignore fairly obvious ways where it can be enhanced. Why?

I like that CS:GO is "stuck" trying to appease its core fans. Heaven forbid it tries to be like the rest of the generic shooters that are being churned out recently

I don't see how adding ADS makes it another "generic shooter".
If I remember correctly; CS:S got a lot of hate too when it was first released. It seems value really can't do much to improve the game without pissing off their fans.

st3veebee wrote: »

To get that little bit more accurate you crouch! Job done.

Honestly Valve were gonna get some hate regardless:

Change the game (Add ADS, different weapons, modes etc new sounds) and people would say "this isn't Counter Strike anymore, just call it something enw and stop using the title to sell"

Keep it the same, as they have, and people say "what's the point? Just new graphics? Bleh"

I'm happy with what they have done anyway!

Pretty much it in a nut shell. But as they have priced it appropriately I think it works. It is value for money anyway and I am saying that before I have even played the full verison!

ED E

Just up.

Grimebox

ED E wrote: »

Just up.

****ing TotalBiscuit... I will reluctantly watch this. He is a pet hate of mine. He casts starcraft 2 sometimes and doesn't know a thing about the game.

Ri_Nollaig wrote: »

It is more immersive, it allows for two stances when holding the gun, quick hip fire/panic and aimed.
When CS originally came out it was the first real tachical shooter (that I remember anyway) that became popular online. Everyone else were still playing Qauke and UT. I perfered CS because I perfer using real world (ish) weapons then sci-fi.
Cod1 was the first popular multiplayer shooter that introduced ADS or whatever you want to call it. It was a great game for its day and up till Cod4 was still a great series (ignoring the console only 3), fell off a cliff after that...
Its just on one hand you have people saying CS is better as its more realistic/tachincal yet on the other you are ignore fairly obvious ways where it can be enhanced. Why?

I don't consider almost half the screen being obscured to be an enhancement in any way.

So realism does come into why you like "ADN". Whatever it gives it immersion is not worth it imo. Immersion is not a word you often hear when people refer to online shooters. They are highly competitive by nature. I would go play LA Noire if I wanted to get immersed in a game. I don't consider CS to be a game striving for realism nor do I think any game is better purely becuase it is more realistic. I think that's a fallacy when it comes to gaming. Realism != better. If I wanted that, there is always ARMA 2.

Ri_Nollaig wrote: »

I don't see how adding ADS makes it another "generic shooter".
If I remember correctly; CS:S got a lot of hate too when it was first released. It seems value really can't do much to improve the game without pissing off their fans.

Sorry I was being a bit flippant with that remark. I have only played Modern Warfare 2 and Battlefield 3 out of all the modern shooters. In my ignorant opinion, they all seem to look the same and all have the ever infuriating ADN system which seems to be standard now. It would be more daring to not have it in a new game these days.

kearneybobs

I've got a beta ticket if someone wants to trade for it. PM me if you do. I know I wouldnt have the time to get into the game.

Edit: Nevermind. Thanks Zapp.

Zapp Brannigan

Beta ends today as the game launches tomorrow.

I've been playing it, not played CS for about 6-7 years, but I still remember some of the maps. I suck though

super_furry

I'm actually tempted to get this on the Xbox rather than PC - initially at least. PC Counter Strike players are at such a huge level above new players, I've tried numerous times over the last two or three years to get into it, but everyone playing it is just so much better than those not. Will probably them pick it up for a few euros in the Christmas sale.

ShadowHearth

st3veebee wrote: »

To get that little bit more accurate you crouch! Job done.

Honestly Valve were gonna get some hate regardless:

Change the game (Add ADS, different weapons, modes etc new sounds) and people would say "this isn't Counter Strike anymore, just call it something enw and stop using the title to sell"

Keep it the same, as they have, and people say "what's the point? Just new graphics? Bleh"

I'm happy with what they have done anyway!

This makes sense. No matter what valve will do, there will be moaners.

I personally don't know what to think of it. There is barely any change from source. Just a few reskins of weapons. I expected them to add at least good few new weapons.
On the positive side I like that heavy machine guns don't suck balls aside as they did before.

Magill

ShadowHearth wrote: »

This makes sense. No matter what valve will do, there will be moaners.

I personally don't know what to think of it. There is barely any change from source. Just a few reskins of weapons. I expected them to add at least good few new weapons.
On the positive side I like that heavy machine guns don't suck balls aside as they did before.

It really depends on what level you play the game at, anyone who played CSS competitively will tell you its a huge change. Recoil, movement, hit boxes are all noticeably different. Something like the Molotov is a massive change for the competitive side of CS aswel.

You have to remember that CS:GO was originally just going to be a port of CSS for the consoles, it wasn't really until they got feedback from the PC community that they changed their focus back to the PC market. Im sure for 90% or more on the console side, its a completely new game.

The best thing about the game being released is that its actually uniting the pro scene from 1.6 and top level source players (Aswel as a lot of CoD players). Which is great as FPS in esport has been diminishing for a while now. At the end of the day, CS owes most of its success to the competitive community, to simply ignore that side of the community in favor of CoD style gameplay would be just silly from valve.

Overheal

super_furry wrote: »

I'm actually tempted to get this on the Xbox rather than PC - initially at least. PC Counter Strike players are at such a huge level above new players, I've tried numerous times over the last two or three years to get into it, but everyone playing it is just so much better than those not. Will probably them pick it up for a few euros in the Christmas sale.

The game will be interplatform, meaning you may find yourself in servers with both Xbox 360 AND PC Players in the same matches as each other.

You've been warned, joystick ninja.

Zapp Brannigan

Overheal wrote: »

The game will be interplatform, meaning you may find yourself in servers with both Xbox 360 AND PC Players in the same matches as each other.

You've been warned, joystick ninja.

I thought they dropped cross platform between consoles and computer gamers?

Ri_Nollaig

Overheal wrote: »

The game will be interplatform, meaning you may find yourself in servers with both Xbox 360 AND PC Players in the same matches as each other.

You've been warned, joystick ninja.

Any idea how that is even meant to work?
Force PC users to use a controller/massive amount of auto-aiming for the console?
I really can not see any other way really! Console players would be at a huge disadvantage and would very quickly lose interested.

Burgo

Zapp Brannigan wrote: »

I thought they dropped cross platform between consoles and computer gamers?

Yeah they did http://www.joystiq.com/2012/03/05/counter-strike-global-offensive-loses-cross-play/

balkieb2002

Zapp Brannigan wrote: »

I thought they dropped cross platform between consoles and computer gamers?

Yeah I read that this had been dropped early in its development.

It was in an earlier thread!

st3veebee

Had a few more games last night on the Beta. It's a really solid game.

+ I really like the shotguns in this game, unlike COD, they are useful.
+New maps are fun, with lakehouse level being great fun.
+Molotovs can get you out of tricky situations


-Hitboxes/registering can be sporadic. Random strafe shooting can get more headshots then careful aiming. Sometimes.

CrazyFish

Will get this at the end of the month. Also just realized its only 13 euros.

balkieb2002

I bought it last night once I saw in that in the video they had added new gamemodes including one of my favourites from CS:S; GunGame (albeit under a different name). Also very nice price point.

I'm hoping they expand more on the gamemodes but with thier usually consistant updating it does look promising.

Am i right in saying the beta is around a 5GB download?

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Edit: Actually is there any point in downloading the beta as the full game is released in a few hours?

2smiggy

just wondering when this is coming to the PS3 , i seen it on the US PS3 store as a preorder at lunch time today, but nothing on the normal PS3 store. I heard it was being released today.

puffishoes

2smiggy wrote: »

just wondering when this is coming to the PS3 , i seen it on the US PS3 store as a preorder at lunch time today, but nothing on the normal PS3 store. I heard it was being released today.

today

moonlighting

just bought it but cant install it on steam only the beta can be installed
is it the same thing

balkieb2002

moonlighting wrote: »

just bought it but cant install it on steam only the beta can be installed
is it the same thing

The game is not fully released for a few hours and I would presume its a different install to the beta. I may be wrong and they may somehow incorporate the beta with the full game but I doubt it.

If you have fast internet you can download the beta to test out the game or you wait for the full release.

Edit: Actually I just went into steam now and the beta tag has disappeared so I'm presuming the current download in the full game!

TheChrisD

Looks like they just released CS:GO - by renaming the Beta.

balkieb2002

TheChrisD wrote: »

Looks like they just released CS:GO - by renaming the Beta.

Yeah it was strange, just noticed that.

Must have released an update too.

Sierra Oscar

Yeah it has been officially released.

CS:GO LAUNCHING NOW

Valve, creators of best-selling game franchises (such as Half-Life and Team Fortress) and leading technologies (such as Steam and Source), today announced Counter-Strike: Global Offensive is now available via Steam, with the North American PSN launch and worldwide Xbox launch happening later tonight and tomorrow morning. .

CS: GO expands on the classic team-based action gameplay that Counter-Strike pioneered. Featuring an arsenal of over 45 weapons, loads of maps, new game modes, new visuals, leaderboards and over 165 Steam Achievements.

For more information on Counter-Strike: Global Offensive visit counter-strike.net

moonlighting

thanks for the info
guess i just had to wait a few hours its showing the install option now.

Sierra Oscar

Steam is getting hammered at the moment following the release of the game, so it could have something to do with that moon.

Genghiz Cohen

Well that game is fun