Leap Card

A V A

how much is it? and how do you find how your zone is, for example ,im traveling from connoly to castleknock on the commuter train,it goes in letters like abcd etc tried irish rail.ie for the zones but there is no info

cheers

Stillnotworking

Hope this helps, with the Leap card 2.10 each way http://www.irishrail.ie/index.jsp?p=118&n=198, there may be a cheaper alternative not using the leap card.

Victor

A V A wrote: »

how much is it?

The card itself costs €10 of which €5 is normal credit and €5 is a usable deposit - that is, you can go up to €5 'overdrawn', but you may not be able to start a trip if you balance is less than €0.

Fares are typically 10-15% cheaper than cash. Leap does not suit everyone - monthly /weekly / multi-day tickets may be better for you.

You must tag of on rail trips. Do not tag off on bus trips. Otherwise, you may be overcharged.

A V A

how come u have to tag off on a train trip??

Davy

A V A wrote: »

how come u have to tag off on a train trip??

So it knows where you get off and refunds the credit due from the max fare it took

ixoy

Davy wrote: »

So it knows where you get off and refunds the credit due from the max fare it took

Yep. I registered my Leap Card and I can look at the fare history. For each trip there's two entries: it debits €4.30 when I tag on and then credits me with €2.80 when I tag off because my fare is €1.50.

carveone

Ah. This might explain what happened to me this morning. I "tagged on" at Howth Junction - which opened the gate - and tagged off at Maynooth when exiting through the gate. At Maynooth I got a chance to read the screen which said "max fare: 4:30, balance 21.70".

WTF! It's supposed to be 3.00.

The guy at the desk just said "ring the support line". Yeah, at 0.50/min on my phone and an unknown wait time? Sure...

It must be that I tagged on at Maynooth then and the gate at Howth Junction is faulty?! Could I tag off immediately at the same gate? What happens if you tag on and off at the same station?

Thanks...

donspeekinglesh

How long did the trip take? If it took more than 90 minutes (which is not unusual) it'll charge you the max fare twice. Count both tags as tag on.

LeinsterDub

carveone wrote: »

It must be that I tagged on at Maynooth then and the gate at Howth Junction is faulty?! Could I tag off immediately at the same gate? What happens if you tag on and off at the same station?

Your given a full refund

thisisadamh

I have a leap card question as well. If I am using the luas to go from Connolly to Heuston which are in the same zone and I want to quickly get something from Jervis in the Shopping Centre on the way. Do I have to tag off at Jervis and then tag back on when I continue to Heuson, thus being charged double. Or can I just hop off then hop back on and only tag off at Heuston thus only being charged once.

carveone

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Your given a full refund

DOH! Now I feel like a complete idiot. That was a pint right there

Thanks, LeinsterDub. Next time eh?!

carveone

thisisadamh wrote: »

I have a leap card question as well. If I am using the luas to go from Connolly to Heuston which are in the same zone and I want to quickly get something from Jervis in the Shopping Centre on the way. Do I have to tag off at Jervis and then tag back on when I continue to Heuson, thus being charged double. Or can I just hop off then hop back on and only tag off at Heuston thus only being charged once.

It's a good point - in theory you could tag on and "miss the luas" thus giving you 10 mins. Or more if you "missed two" ! Isn't there a 90 minute window? But if an inspector checked, there may be a tag on timestamp on the card. I'd say it's all good.

carlmango11

thisisadamh wrote: »

I have a leap card question as well. If I am using the luas to go from Connolly to Heuston which are in the same zone and I want to quickly get something from Jervis in the Shopping Centre on the way. Do I have to tag off at Jervis and then tag back on when I continue to Heuson, thus being charged double. Or can I just hop off then hop back on and only tag off at Heuston thus only being charged once.

Be graaand

Dravokivich

thisisadamh wrote: »

I have a leap card question as well. If I am using the luas to go from Connolly to Heuston which are in the same zone and I want to quickly get something from Jervis in the Shopping Centre on the way. Do I have to tag off at Jervis and then tag back on when I continue to Heuson, thus being charged double. Or can I just hop off then hop back on and only tag off at Heuston thus only being charged once.

s'pose you'd need someone from luas to anwser that for ya. How would they of handled it with their own smartcard? the functionality is no different between either at the moment.

carveone wrote: »

It must be that I tagged on at Maynooth then and the gate at Howth Junction is faulty?! Could I tag off immediately at the same gate? What happens if you tag on and off at the same station?

Thanks...

Nope, You'll need to wait at least 2 minutes.

Tarabuses

thisisadamh wrote: »

I have a leap card question as well. If I am using the luas to go from Connolly to Heuston which are in the same zone and I want to quickly get something from Jervis in the Shopping Centre on the way. Do I have to tag off at Jervis and then tag back on when I continue to Heuson, thus being charged double. Or can I just hop off then hop back on and only tag off at Heuston thus only being charged once.

You are making two journeys, one to Jervis for shopping and the second to Heuston. You need to tag off and then tag back on. Anything else and you are chancing your arm.

Winters

If you have any queries about your leap card credit at all email customer.care@leapcard.ie and they can reimburse you. That's what they are there for.

On a couple of occasions I thought it had tagged off but didnt and they topped up my card with the refund.

Dravokivich

Winters wrote: »

If you have any queries about your leap card credit at all email customer.care@leapcard.ie and they can reimburse you. That's what they are there for.

On a couple of occasions I thought it had tagged off but didnt and they topped up my card with the refund.

Just to note, they'll only do Irish rail.

jimmycrackcorm

Tarabuses wrote: »

You are making two journeys, one to Jervis for shopping and the second to Heuston. You need to tag off and then tag back on. Anything else and you are chancing your arm.

How's that any different than getting the same zone ticket from the machine?

devnull

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

How's that any different than getting the same zone ticket from the machine?

It's not, both are still fare evasion if you make more than one trip on a single ticket. The clue is in the name.

Would you get on a bus and ask for a 2.65 journey, get off half way and then do the remainder of the leg later?

Winters

Dravokivich wrote: »

Just to note, they'll only do Irish rail.

They should cater for any interactions you have had while using a leap card. They are the middle men so to speak. Have you had a different experience?

Dravokivich

Winters wrote: »

They should cater for any interactions you have had while using a leap card. They are the middle men so to speak. Have you had a different experience?

They don't. We know this by people posting before of having to go into O'Connell St to Dublin Bus for their refunds. It's also mentioned in their T&Cs as well that the operator is meant to be responsible for any issues with fares.

jimmycrackcorm

devnull wrote: »

It's not, both are still fare evasion if you make more than one trip on a single ticket. The clue is in the name.

Would you get on a bus and ask for a 2.65 journey, get off half way and then do the remainder of the leg later?

Afair doesn't the ticket say it's valid until the last tram? Seems the only way you can get caught is if you are observed both getting off one tram and on to another.

The bus analogy is different as you have to pass the driver so pot luck on getting pulled up, plus the bus ticket shows the relevant actual bus details eg. Start time

sbell2205

im kinda confused with the leap card system.. just moved to ucd i hate carrying the change all the time for buses, i might only use them 3-5 times a week so the weekly pass is not for me. As a student we hate payin full prices, my journey is a 3-8 stage fare of 1.90. If i buy a leap card for a 1-3 stage fare can i use it for a longer journey or how can this be checked?? Does the driver know what fare you paid??

Dravokivich

sbell2205 wrote: »

im kinda confused with the leap card system.. just moved to ucd i hate carrying the change all the time for buses, i might only use them 3-5 times a week so the weekly pass is not for me. As a student we hate payin full prices, my journey is a 3-8 stage fare of 1.90. If i buy a leap card for a 1-3 stage fare can i use it for a longer journey or how can this be checked?? Does the driver know what fare you paid??

Yes, because you have to tell the driver what fare you are looking for. Drivers and Inspectors can read the card and should be able to tell you've gone over the amount of stages you paid for.

bk

Leap card works by just being a replacement for cash.

So when you get on the bus with a leap card you place the card on the reader next to the driver and tell the driver which ticket you want:

Stages 1 – 3 € 1.25
Stages 4 – 7 € 1.70
Stages 8 – 13 € 1.95
Over 13 Stages € 2.40

Usually you just tell the driver the amount (e.g. €1.70) and it gets deducted from your card.

Note that by using leap card you are getting a reduction over the cash price.

BTW if you use the leap card on the card reader on the right hand side (furtherest away from the driver), then you will be charged the maximum €2.40 fare.

If you ask for a €1.25 and then go over that the driver will notice as you talked to him to ask for the ticket earlier and he will pull you up on it. Also ticket inspectors can check the leap card to see where exactly you boarded, how much you paid and if you went over the stage or not.

In other words you will be caught.

Also do you really think it is ok to steal? Would you steal a bottle of milk from a store?

For everyone else, it is this sort of rampant carry on that we need to look to move to a tag-on/tag-off per km system. It would totally eliminate this regular carry on of people paying just the lowest fare.

Renn

Is the 10 Journey Travel 90 card still going?

Rock of Gibraltar

Renn wrote: »

Is the 10 Journey Travel 90 card still going?

Yep €21.50 for the 10 journey, you can still buy single ones at the airport.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Fares--Tickets/Tickets/2-Journey-Daily-Weekly/

Don't think these have been loaded onto leap yet.

Dravokivich

No tickets on the leap card yet. Still just acts on a prepaid credit basis. Nothing else has been made public since it was launched.

Renn

Rock of Gibraltar wrote: »

Yep €21.50 for the 10 journey, you can still buy single ones at the airport.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Fares--Tickets/Tickets/2-Journey-Daily-Weekly/

Don't think these have been loaded onto leap yet.

Thanks.

Can it be used for outer suburban routes?

foggy_lad

Renn wrote: »

Thanks.

Can it be used for outer suburban routes?

It is valid on all Dublin bus journeys including expresso and lasts for 90minutes from the time it is activated so you could get any bus and transfer to any other bus or buses for a period of 90minutes from first validating your ticket.

Renn

Thought as much. So it's really a no brainer then, I'll just use the Travel 90 card. What's the advantage of the Leap Card then?

etchyed

Renn wrote: »

Thought as much. So it's really a no brainer then, I'll just use the Travel 90 card. What's the advantage of the Leap Card then?

For fares over 13 stages or outer suburban, there is no advantage to the Leap Card. As you have surmised, you're better off with a Travel 90.

Leap remains a half-finished product. The ability to load other tickets (like daily, weekly, monthly and Travel 90) onto Leap Cards has been "coming soon" for ten months now.

Infini

Leap cards best if your taking erratic single journeys or multiple forms of transport (bus/luas/rail). If your a regular traveller or commuter tho best to just buy an unlimited use weekly its usually more convenient.

foggy_lad

If you take a short journey on buses a few times a week leap can be useful, otherwise there are tickets like ramblers etc which are cheaper and better value. Leap card is like e-voting, a massive waste of taxpayers money for something that may as well have stayed on the shelf for all the use it is.

Victor

foggy_lad wrote: »

It is valid on all Dublin bus journeys including expresso and lasts for 90minutes from the time it is activated so you could get any bus and transfer to any other bus or buses for a period of 90minutes from first validating your ticket.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Fares--Tickets/Tickets/2-Journey-Daily-Weekly/

10 Journey Travel 90 Adult €21.50

Valid for 10 journeys of 90 minutes unlimited travel
Valid on Dublin Bus scheduled services including Xpresso (excluding Airlink, Nitelink, Tours, Special Events and Private Contract services)
Tickets are for individual use only and may not be used by a group
No CIE photo ID required

LXFlyer

Key point is that the final journey has to commence within 90 minutes of the first - so you can get more than 90 minutes out of the ticket.

vwgolfmk504

Hi i'm a complete noob to this, can anyone let me know how much id have to top up a week on the following journey

Dart from shankill to Connolly return, and luas from connolly to kylemore return

5 days a week

Thanks

LXFlyer

vwgolfmk504 wrote: »

Hi i'm a complete noob to this, can anyone let me know how much id have to top up a week on the following journey

Dart from shankill to Connolly return, and luas from connolly to kylemore return

5 days a week

Thanks

Firstly that is a hell of a commute - you will be spending a long time travelling.

Secondly, it is far faster to get off the DART at Tara Street and walk to Abbey stop than to get off at Connolly.

Thirdly, I think that you need to realise that at the moment this is not the sort of journey that LEAP facilitates and that you need a period pass instead.

Using LEAP that journey will work out at:
DART - €2.75 per trip or €25.70 per week
LUAS - €2.05 per trip or €20.50 per week

Total using LEAP - €46.20 per week.

You should instead consider getting a monthly or annual Rail/LUAS ticket - this costs €161 per month or €1,610 per year. This will allow you unlimited travel on all DART and commuter rail services and all LUAS services.

You can buy the ticket at any DART station.

Those tickets can also be purchased under the taxsaver scheme at www.taxsaver.ie if your employer is prepared to participate in it.

Depending on your tax rate, the tickets could then actually cost you far less, as they are deducted from your gross salary.

With a 20% tax rate the ticket will cost effectively:
Monthly - €111.09
Annual - €1,110.90

With a 41% tax rate the ticket will cost effectively:
Monthly - €77.28
Annual - €772.80

There is also a weekly rail/LUAS ticket available, priced around €43 - I can't find the actual price online - you can get it at any DART station.

Bottom line - DO NOT USE LEAP for this sort of journey!!

vwgolfmk504

Thank you very much lxflyer