Obama arming US State departments to the teeth in pre election run up.

Run_to_da_hills

Why are separate US state departments other than the police and the military purchasing lethal artillery in such vast quantities, some which includes deadly hollow point expanding bullets?

IIt is becoming more obvious to me now that the US is gearing themselves up for some pre election bloodshed. Possibly some induced collapse of the financial markers or some false flag that could spark wide scale riots.

Request for Quote for Ammunition Solicitation Number: SSA-RFQ-12-1851
Agency: Social Security Administration

223 Duty Ammunition Solicitation Number: HSCEMS-12-R-00016
Agency: Department of Homeland Security Office: Immigration & Customs Enforcement Location: ICE-OAQ-MS

National Weather Service Follows DHS In Huge Ammo Purchase

Can anyone produce any documentation for similar arms purchases with the above state departments in the past?

The federal government is clearly gearing up for the likelihood of civil unrest on a scale that could outstrip what we’ve already seen in countries across Europe.

While the establishment demonizes the second amendment in light of recent staged mass shootings and legislation is prepared to ban the sale of large quantities of ammunition online, the federal government is acquiring ammunition at levels necessary to fight a full scale domestic war.

DHS classifies new ammo purchases following controversy

The U.S. government's coming war with the American people: Insane quantities of govt. ammo purchases point to only one purpose

Jonny7

So, when is it gonna happen?

gibraltar

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Why are separate US state departments other than the police and the military purchasing lethal artillery in such vast quantities, some which includes deadly hollow point expanding bullets?

yes like most bullets hollow points can be deadly, one advantage is that they are less likely to pass through one person into another ands can therefore prevent secondary injuries, a good choice for law enforcement.

As for vast quantities, 46,000 rounds of ammunition is not vast (mentioned in one of the active links), whats the time frame for delivery? how many departments will share this amount?
Considering the US military usually places orders for tens of millions of rounds over a number of years this is a meaningless amount.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

IIt is becoming more obvious to me now that the US is gearing themselves up for some pre election bloodshed. Possibly some induced collapse of the financial markers or some false flag that could spark wide scale riots.

you have stated that you think martial law will be effected in America before the election, do you still think this?

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The federal government is clearly gearing up for the likelihood of civil unrest on a scale that could outstrip what we’ve already seen in countries across Europe.

While the establishment demonizes the second amendment in light of recent staged mass shootings and legislation is prepared to ban the sale of large quantities of ammunition online, the federal government is acquiring ammunition at levels necessary to fight a full scale domestic war.

DHS classifies new ammo purchases following controversy

The U.S. government's coming war with the American people: Insane quantities of govt. ammo purchases point to only one purpose

Your doing the staged shootings stuff in another thread best not to drag this off topic with more proof by the bible and dave mustaine, lets stick with the facts.

So are you willing to state a timeframe for when this will happen?

Torakx

He isnt a genie...
Might aswell ask you when its going to happen.


Anyway.This is interesting but not suprising.Sounds almost like more of the same which is kinda shocking.
Nothing suprises me now with what the US government would do or get away with.
Coincides well enough with the camps they have dotted around and the containers that apparently are for mass burials.
Which was done many years ago.So as for timing who can say.
If the Feds are gearing up for a civil war, it will be in retaliation against citizens.
So really guessing a time when this could happen, would have to be focussed on civil unrest.

Has anyone got any info or reason to be sure this is not true or is exagerated?

Edit: I posted before seeing one above.So whats the number of bullets purchased by the feds overall? I was lead to think it might be alot more than 46k.One article linked mentioned alot more than that anyway.

Edit 2:Link

UPDATE, 1:07 p.m.: NOAA spokesman Scott Smullen emailed the following statement, clarifying the ammunition order is for fisheries law enforcement, as we suspected:

Due to a clerical error in the federal business vendor process, a solicitation for ammunition and targets for the NOAA Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement mistakenly identified NOAA’s National Weather Service as the requesting office. The error is being fixed and will soon appear correctly in the electronic federal bidding system. The ammunition is standard issue for many law enforcement agencies and it will be used by 63 NOAA enforcement agents in their twice annual target qualifications and training.

Maybe this is relevant,

Jonny7

Torakx wrote: »

He isnt a genie...
Might aswell ask you when its going to happen.

Anyway.This is interesting but not suprising.Sounds almost like more of the same which is kinda shocking.
Nothing suprises me now with what the US government would do or get away with.
Coincides well enough with the camps they have dotted around and the containers that apparently are for mass burials.
Which was done many years ago.So as for timing who can say.
If the Feds are gearing up for a civil war, it will be in retaliation against citizens.

Can you please provide your evidence (names, dates, reasoning, etc) for thinking this?

Tym

I find it kind of depressing that people think America is some dictatorial state like Syria or Russia, beyond all reason.

Or Run to Da Hills is a mega troll:P

gibraltar

Torakx wrote: »

He isnt a genie...
Might aswell ask you when its going to happen.

Not really, I'm not the one making a prediction of "pre election bloodshed". As that phrase is so vague i asked a question hoping for a definite answer, I think thats fair.

Torakx wrote: »

Anyway.This is interesting but not suprising.Sounds almost like more of the same which is kinda shocking.
Nothing suprises me now with what the US government would do or get away with.
Coincides well enough with the camps they have dotted around and the containers that apparently are for mass burials.
Which was done many years ago.So as for timing who can say.
If the Feds are gearing up for a civil war, it will be in retaliation against citizens.
So really guessing a time when this could happen, would have to be focussed on civil unrest.

So they are orginased enough to build sites for mass burials years in advance but cant order bullets without letting the world see the invoices?

Torakx wrote: »

Has anyone got any info or reason to be sure this is not true or is exagerated?

One of the active links explains some of it. One of the orders was not for the weather service but for the National Marine Fisheries Service, they probably have a better reason to have some ammunition.

Torakx wrote: »

Edit: I posted before seeing one above.So whats the number of bullets purchased by the feds overall? I was lead to think it might be alot more than 46k.One article linked mentioned alot more than that anyway.

A staggering amount of ammunition is purchased each year in America, most by the public. Different government agencies purchase for them selfs, orders tend to be large as buying in volume decreases costs and it tends to be contracted over several years - this allows the producer to have a steady order and the customer to get a constant supply at an agreed price.

Another thing is that a lot of ammunition is required for departments you would not expect, the forest service, cost guard all the way up to major law enforcement. When you consider the amount of ammunition used in training and re-certification across all these agencies the numbers might add up quickly.

Another thought is that purchasing ammunition would be a good way to ues up a budget surplus, no idea if it happened just a thought.

Torakx

Jonny7 wrote: »

Can you please provide your evidence (names, dates, reasoning, etc) for thinking this?

Hmm Im very sure he isnt a genie.Metaphysically speaking i doubt they exist and i challenge you sir to provide evidence on the contrary.

Chazz Michael Michaels

No propaganda pictures? Obama dressed as the devil or something?

I'm disappointed...

Jonny7

Torakx wrote: »

Hmm Im very sure he isnt a genie.Metaphysically speaking i doubt they exist and i challenge you sir to provide evidence on the contrary.

No the part about the camps and the mass burials.. are those thoughts actually based on any evidence?

RMD

46,000 bullets wouldn't be sufficient to supply the average infantry platoon in Afghanistan for 6 months. For some mass American bloodshed, they would be placing orders in the millions at a minimum.

hooradiation

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Why are separate US state departments other than the police and the military purchasing lethal artillery in such vast quantities, some which includes deadly hollow point expanding bullets?

Bullets != artillery. Ever.
Use words properly or don't use them at all.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

IIt is becoming more obvious to me now that the US is gearing themselves up for some pre election bloodshed. Possibly some induced collapse of the financial markers or some false flag that could spark wide scale riots.

That sentence is malformed.
It ought to read

I am convinced that the US is gearing themselves up for some pre election bloodshed - this "evidence" fits the conclusion I have already drawn.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Can anyone produce any documentation for similar arms purchases with the above state departments in the past?

If you are asserting these purchases are out of the ordinary, the burden lies with you to demonstrate that this is so.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

While the establishment demonizes the second amendment in light of recent staged mass shootings and legislation is prepared to ban the sale of large quantities of ammunition online, the federal government is acquiring ammunition at levels necessary to fight a full scale domestic war.

Your idea of what is needed "fight a full scale domestic war" is amazingly short of the mark.

Run_to_da_hills

gibraltar wrote: »

yes like most bullets hollow points can be deadly, one advantage is that they are less likely to pass through one person into another ands can therefore prevent secondary injuries, a good choice for law enforcement.

Like the same choice for the London Metropolitan Police force used on Charles de Menezes to blast him apart before he could raise a voice.

So you are suggesting that these hollow point bullets may be used in riot or crowd situations?

gibraltar wrote: »

As for vast quantities, 46,000 rounds of ammunition is not vast (mentioned in one of the active links), whats the time frame for delivery? how many departments will share this amount?
Considering the US military usually places orders for tens of millions of rounds over a number of years this is a meaningless amount.

The DHS is a home agency. It dose not engage in foreign activity, it is not a foreign agency, it deals exclusively with home situations concerning American people on American soil.

Since Obama took office the DHS is contracting to buy 450 million rounds of hollow point ammo and this can only mean DHS plans to use this against the American people.

I doubt very much of this ammunition is purchased for target practice. :rolleyes:

I fact the DHS has no explanation for this purchase.

gibraltar wrote: »

you have stated that you think martial law will be effected in America before the election, do you still think this?

Your doing the staged shootings stuff in another thread best not to drag this off topic with more proof by the bible and dave mustaine, lets stick with the facts.

So are you willing to state a timeframe for when this will happen?

I would guess within days of the forthcoming planned financial market collapse. It will be an ideal detraction to usher in a state of emergency to put off the elections, it will also give them a chance to round up and silence subversives and opponents to his fascist policies in concentration Fema camps indefinitely without trial.

Torakx

Jonny7 wrote: »

No the part about the camps and the mass burials.. are those thoughts actually based on any evidence?

lol sorry i thought my sarcasm might throw you off the scent
Nah, just speculation based on film footage really.
I think the camps are officially holding sites for immigrants/flood victims etc.But they are fenced in not out.
Not sure the official reason for those fields of plastic containers, thats pure speculation me thinks.

gibraltar

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Like the same choice for the London Metropolitan Police force used on Charles de Menezes to blast him apart before he could raise a voice.

Many many people have died as a result of bullets (cant believe I have to point this out), hollow point and otherwise so this has no connection. lets keep on track and move on.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

So you are suggesting that these hollow point bullets may be used in riot or crowd situations?

I do not think its a good idea to use any bullets in a riot or crowd situation, you might feel different and thats your right but I think the risk of accidental injury is too great. If there was no choice but to fire a weapon in a crowd than a hollow point is a better option due to the lower chance of secondary injuries. in reality many other factors would matter such as the weapon used, distance, weather conditions and even the maintenance of the weapon but lets not cloud the issue.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The DHS is a home agency. It dose not engage in foreign activity, it is not a foreign agency, it deals exclusively with home situations concerning American people on American soil.

Since Obama took office the DHS is contracting to buy 450 million rounds of hollow point ammo and this can only mean DHS plans to use this against the American people.

I doubt very much of this ammunition is purchased for target practice. :rolleyes:

I fact the DHS has no explanation for this purchase.

The rolleyes should not be there you might have hit the nail on the head with target practice.

The link you posted mentioned a period of five years and 450 million bullets, lets round this up to 500 million to make things easier.

how many armed agents of the DHS are there? Considering a population of 300 million the DHS would need huge numbers to control the most heavily armed populace on earth but lets say 20,000.

So that works out at 25,000 rounds per person over five years = 5000 a year or lets say 100 a week.

Do you know how many rounds are fired for training and firearm recertification? Would you use more or less than an average of 100 rounds per week on training and recertification?

For such a staunch defender of the second amendment this should be an easy question so I look forward to a definite answer.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I would guess within days of the forthcoming planned financial market collapse. It will be an ideal detraction to usher in a state of emergency to put off the elections, it will also give them a chance to round up and silence subversives and opponents to his fascist policies in concentration Fema camps indefinitely without trial.

OK so the "forthcoming planned financial market collapse" will happen before the elections?

Can you please state a timeframe for clarification purposes.

As for the fema camps - come on now your only evidence for tis is the book of revelations so again lets put that aside with all the nonsense and look at facts and keep the thread on track, ok?

Run_to_da_hills

gibraltar wrote: »

I do not think its a good idea to use any bullets in a riot or crowd situation, you might feel different and thats your right but I think the risk of accidental injury is too great. If there was no choice but to fire a weapon in a crowd than a hollow point is a better option due to the lower chance of secondary injuries. in reality many other factors would matter such as the weapon used, distance, weather conditions and even the maintenance of the weapon but lets not cloud the issue.

And other instances where there isn't a crowd will they refrain from using them? I doubt it.

gibraltar wrote: »

The rolleyes should not be there you might have hit the nail on the head with target practice.

The link you posted mentioned a period of five years and 450 million bullets, lets round this up to 500 million to make things easier.

how many armed agents of the DHS are there? Considering a population of 300 million the DHS would need huge numbers to control the most heavily armed populace on earth but lets say 20,000.

So that works out at 25,000 rounds per person over five years = 5000 a year or lets say 100 a week.

Do you know how many rounds are fired for training and firearm recertification? Would you use more or less than an average of 100 rounds per week on training and recertification?

No one has yet to show me references to previous orders and according to you the are spending millions on specialised bullets so that they can practice on and test guns. It doesn't seem to make any sense at all and still avoids the question of this big elephant in the room.

You have to admit that a massive increase in artillery in the last four years yet there has been a little increase in actual violence on the streets. Its becoming more adherent they are gearing up for something big.

gibraltar wrote: »

For such a staunch defender of the second amendment this should be an easy question so I look forward to a definite answer.



OK so the "forthcoming planned financial market collapse" will happen before the elections?

Can you please state a timeframe for clarification purposes.

I would go by higel Farge statement on this one.

Nigel Farage -They Will Collapse The System & Enslave People

Going right back through our history books financial crashes seem to have a habit of occurring in later part of the year.

gibraltar wrote: »

As for the fema camps - come on now your only evidence for tis is the book of revelations so again lets put that aside with all the nonsense and look at facts and keep the thread on track, ok?

I don't need any book of revelation to find credibility in FEMA concentration camps, you only have to look through the list of recent EO's signed by Obama requesting the indefinate internment without trial of Ameican citizens, Where do you expect the will put these "criminals"? Disney land?

Another point, Obama never fulfilled his promise of disbanding Guantánamo concentration camp. Holding camps are in the interest of any fascist leader so why should he disband them.

gibraltar

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

And other instances where there isn't a crowd will they refrain from using them? I doubt it.
/QUOTE]

Who are "they"? what are the other instances? please dont answer, it would be a waste of time to get sidetracked into a so many hypotheticals.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

No one has yet to show me references to previous orders and according to you the are spending millions on specialised bullets so that they can practice on and test guns. It doesn't seem to make any sense at all and still avoids the question of this big elephant in the room.

No, thats not what I said, first of all I never said hollow points are specialised, specialised would be maybe something like black talons - a specific type of hollow point. Saying a hollow point is specialised is like saying a hatchback is specialised.

Secondly I asked a question; Do you know how many rounds are fired for training and firearm recertification? Would you use more or less than an average of 100 rounds per week on training and recertification?

Again you are a firm supporter of gun ownership I pressume you have some knowledge of the subject so you should be able to answer this.

As I have demonstrated an amount of 500 million bullets spread over five years among thousands of people could be detailed as less than 100 rounds per person per week, check out how many rounds would be fired on an average visit to a range and go from there.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You have to admit that a massive increase in artillery in the last four years yet there has been a little increase in actual violence on the streets. Its becoming more adherent they are gearing up for something big.

Dont talk about artillery, another poster has already stated what you already know - bullets do not equal artillery.

So the increase in spending has resulted in lower level increases in crime, sounds like a wise investment to me.

As for gearing up for something big, again would you please answer the questions you are asked; will this happen before the elections?

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I would go by higel Farge statement on this one.

Nigel Farage -They Will Collapse The System & Enslave People

Going right back through our history books financial crashes seem to have a habit of occurring in later part of the year.

He mentions 3 to five years but you seem to be indicating the next couple of months, again can you please clarify an answer.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I don't need any book of revelation to find credibility in FEMA concentration camps, you only have to look through the list of recent EO's signed by Obama requesting the indefinate internment without trial of Ameican citizens, Where do you expect the will put these "criminals"? Disney land?

Ok let me clarify this, your opinion that Obama is the antichrist based on your decoding of the book of revelations - put that aside and instead deal with real world evidence - it appears you are struggling to find questions to ask that generate the answer you want. can we leave all that aside in this thread and use non biblical evidence?

Ok back on topic, can you answer the questions that have been asked please.

You started this thread so of course if you want to continue with a biblical themed prediction theory then you are 100% entitled but I would ask that you state this and allow me to abandon this thread if so, thank You.

Run_to_da_hills

gibraltar wrote: »

As I have demonstrated an amount of 500 million bullets spread over five years among thousands of people could be detailed as less than 100 rounds per person per week, check out how many rounds would be fired on an average visit to a range and go from there.

So the increase in spending has resulted in lower level increases in crime, sounds like a wise investment to me.

An increase in spending and nothing has even happened yet.

gibraltar wrote: »

As for gearing up for something big, again would you please answer the questions you are asked; will this happen before the elections?

I believe it will and I have already explained my reason and am not going to repeat myself again.

gibraltar wrote: »

He mentions 3 to five years but you seem to be indicating the next couple of months, again can you please clarify an answer.

'Plan for an economic 9/11': Analysts warn Americans to buy guns and gold, predicting market crash and street riots within a year

The above came out in January, I cannot see a financial crash in the new year, I said before most seem to occur in fall..late October November and being artificial It would not make any sense to have it before the elections again I gave my reason.

gibraltar wrote: »

Ok let me clarify this, your opinion that Obama is the antichrist based on your decoding of the book of revelations - put that aside and instead deal with real world evidence - it appears you are struggling to find questions to ask that generate the answer you want. can we leave all that aside in this thread and use non biblical evidence?
Ok back on topic, can you answer the questions that have been asked please.

You started this thread so of course if you want to continue with a biblical themed prediction theory then you are 100% entitled but I would ask that you state this and allow me to abandon this thread if so, thank You.

Ok leaving the book of revelations and the Bible aside, there is another book that I could quite possibly predict the direction that Barack Obama's regime is heading, its called Mein Kampf,

We have quite a lot of similarities between the rise of Adolf Hitler and the rise of Obama. Both have a lot in common, right down to the sinister symbols used, socialising of society, false flags, militarisation of the police forces, roll out of barbed wired camps, similar EO's in the name of "combating terrorism", dirty tricks to gain power, gun contril, ID cards AKA real ID, (Except Hitler did not have the privilege of electronically embedded cards and a vast digital system to monitor every inch of society and potentially weed out subversives)

So going by the above and taking all his dirty tricks into consideration I would not be be surprised if anything happened just to give him an advantage to his up and coming election, he might even strike gold and get on the world stage if all went by plan, something Adolf Hitler would have wet himself for. .

Monty Burnz

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

An increase in spending and nothing has even happened yet.

1. Can you please back up this claim?
2. Should spending on something only increase after something happens? Surely according to your argument, they could have organised 'something' to justify any spending increases - why did they not do this? (assuming spending has increased, which you have not demonstrated, just claimed)

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

We have quite a lot of similarities between the rise of Adolf Hitler and the rise of Obama. Both have a lot in common, right down to the sinister symbols used, socialising of society, false flags, militarisation of the police forces, roll out of barbed wired camps, similar EO's in the name of "combating terrorism", dirty tricks to gain power, gun contril, ID cards AKA real ID, (Except Hitler did not have the privilege of electronically embedded cards and a vast digital system to monitor every inch of society and potentially weed out subversives)

This stuff is frankly hilarious. It's so wrong, I don't even know where to start dismantling it - but it does give us an idea of how little you appear to know about history.

Run_to_da_hills

Monty Burnz wrote: »

This stuff is frankly hilarious. It's so wrong, I don't even know where to start dismantling it - but it does give us an idea of how little you appear to know about history.

You don't even need a degree in History to compare the similarities between Adolf Hitler and Barack Obama and the conclusion is inevitable.

I didn't even mention the health reform bill, the fact that both ruled in countries they weren't born in, both had national socialist ideologies, both spoke at large outdoor gatherings. Perhaps one very worrying thing is that today Obama has has nuke buttons at his finger tips, Adolf Hitler did not. :eek:

gibraltar

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

An increase in spending and nothing has even happened yet.

Yes increased spending and no increase in crime, so the extra spend has had a preventative effect?

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I believe it will and I have already explained my reason and am not going to repeat myself again.
'Plan for an economic 9/11': Analysts warn Americans to buy guns and gold, predicting market crash and street riots within a year

The above came out in January, I cannot see a financial crash in the new year, I said before most seem to occur in fall..late October November and being artificial It would not make any sense to have it before the elections again I gave my reason.

Again you are being vague and hedging your bets with this, you predict something before the elections and something after them, however as you have predicted pre election bloodshed can you give more details on that?

To be fair bloodshed is anything form one person injured to many dead, for your prediction to have any value details will be needed.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Ok leaving the book of revelations and the Bible aside, there is another book that I could quite possibly predict the direction that Barack Obama's regime is heading, its called Mein Kampf,

Words fail me, really... really... I could predict the direction Obama is heading in using any book from team of rivals to twilight, but it would still be a fantasy of my creation.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

We have quite a lot of similarities between the rise of Adolf Hitler and the rise of Obama. Both have a lot in common, right down to the sinister symbols used, socialising of society, false flags, militarisation of the police forces, roll out of barbed wired camps, similar EO's in the name of "combating terrorism", dirty tricks to gain power, gun contril, ID cards AKA real ID, (Except Hitler did not have the privilege of electronically embedded cards and a vast digital system to monitor every inch of society and potentially weed out subversives)

False flags, ID cards, satanic symbols - these are all the standard throaways from your book of revelations theories that you said you would leave aside. Please can you try to give answers that do use your decoding of the bible as real world evidence.

Back on topic- arming of US State departmemts - you started this thread about a large purchase of ammunition that you think can only be used against americans, I have offered an alternative a few times now and asked the same question;

Do you know how many rounds are fired for training and firearm recertification? Would you use more or less than an average of 100 rounds per week on training and recertification?

If you cant answer this then thats fine but IMO it means your theory that the ammunition is for sinister purposes is dead in the water.

gibraltar

This is getting silly now

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You don't even need a degree in History to compare the similarities between Adolf Hitler and Barack Obama and the conclusion is inevitable.

Your conclusion was inevitable but only because you started with the answer you wanted and only asked the questions that lead to it.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I didn't even mention the health reform bill

Good as it is meaningless in this discussion.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

the fact that both ruled in countries they weren't born in,

Saying this when you and I both know its wrong does you no favors, it just devalues even further everything else your try to write.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

both spoke at large outdoor gatherings.

Now this one makes me sad, the fact that you had to resort to saying the fact that two people spoke to crowds means Hitler and Obama are linked, please stop it, its not even funny, its just sad.

francois

Obama is nothing like Hitler-this is a disgusting and disgraceful comparison. Whatever one may think of his politics ( and I'm no fan), comapring him to one of the most revolting mass murderers in history shows a complete and utter ignorance of history, politics and sociology. Your ramblings belong to the realms of a deluded fantasy of a paranoiac. You have offered not one jot of concrete evidence, and frankly you are embarrassing yourself
But then again, I would say that because no doubt I am part of the conspiracy

Run_to_da_hills

gibraltar wrote: »

This is getting silly now

and yes because you have yet to prove to me the reason why Obama is arming his state departments to the teeth with enough weaponry to wage a 7 year war against the American people.

Your reason of target practice and testing guns is miserable and dose not hold one drop of water. :rolleyes:

You have yet to show me purchase orders of similar quantities of bullets for these same departments prior to Obams's current term in office because you can't.

You are still trying to hid the huge elephant in the room and you cant admit it.

gibraltar wrote: »

Good as it is meaningless in this discussion.

Meaningless to those that cant answer my question with a logical amswer, IE Why the fcuk is US internal Government arming itself up to the teeth.

I also forgot to mention Bulletproof roadside checkpoint booths familiar, Germany had similar, why would the US Government want these? So that they can play soldiers and target practice with their live dubdum rounds. :rolleyes:

gibraltar wrote: »

Now this one makes me sad, the fact that you had to resort to saying the fact that two people spoke to crowds means Hitler and Obama are linked, please stop it, its not even funny, its just sad.

Its is sad but true.

gibraltar wrote: »

Back on topic- arming of US State departmemts - you started this thread about a large purchase of ammunition that you think can only be used against americans, I have offered an alternative a few times now and asked the same question;

Do you know how many rounds are fired for training and firearm recertification? Would you use more or less than an average of 100 rounds per week on training and recertification?

Again I don't buy your argument one bit. Governments don't make massive purchases of such scale without a reason and you can't come up with a logical answer.

I don't buy your logic at all, expensive live hollow point rounds are NOT used for training purposes or recalibrating guns, they are used specifically for the purpose of killing people. Put this question to any shooting forum and they will tell you the exact same. A minute percentage may may be used for initial testing and calibration but that would be about it.

Your logic is dead duck in the water.

Run_to_da_hills

francois wrote: »

Obama is nothing like Hitler-this is a disgusting and disgraceful comparison.

I you cared to do a simple Google search on the comparisons between Adolf Hitler and barack Obama you would be quite surprised.
Are you familiar with any of his potentially dangerous EO's have been passed since he took up office?

Do you even know that Obama is currently trying to push a bill that can indefinitely intern US citizens without trial?

Did you know that Obama can now enforce martial law and take over / shut down the internet in a state of emergency?

francois wrote: »

Whatever one may think of his politics ( and I'm no fan), comapring him to one of the most revolting mass murderers in history shows a complete and utter ignorance of history, politics and sociology. Your ramblings belong to the realms of a deluded fantasy of a paranoiac. You have offered not one jot of concrete evidence, and frankly you are embarrassing yourself
But then again, I would say that because no doubt I am part of the conspiracy

Should his comparisons and the current economic and political climate alone not ring alarm bells?

It will probably be too late anyway before the masses come to an understanding just as it was in Adolf Hitlers and Joseph Stalins time.

Obama has the potential to kill far more people than Adolf Hitler and in fact any other leader that set foot on this planet. It is a horrible proposition to have to come up with. Just think about it, that man who "came out of no where" in the last decade has far more weaponry including nukes at his finger tips than any other man in living history.

Of course main stream media will foolishly tell you that this can never happen again. :rolleyes:

francois

I'm not going to indulge your ridiculous fantasies, you need help
Goodbye

Run_to_da_hills

gibraltar wrote: »

Now this one makes me sad, the fact that you had to resort to saying the fact that two people spoke to crowds means Hitler and Obama are linked, please stop it, its not even funny, its just sad.

Let me rephrase that, two people came to power, both had a startling similar socialist agendas, both were very charismatic and could draw the crowds and convince the masses.

--Kaiser--

Thread Godwinned already

Jonny7

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I you cared to do a simple Google search on the comparisons between Adolf Hitler and barack Obama you would be quite surprised.

RTDH - there is no comparison between Hitler and Obama, two utterly different leaders from two very different era's.

Run_to_da_hills

Jonny7 wrote: »

RTDH - there is no comparison between Hitler and Obama, two utterly different leaders from two very different era's.

The obvious difference is of course that one has an moustache and the other one doesn't.

hooradiation

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Did you know that Obama can now enforce martial law and take over / shut down the internet in a state of emergency?

This won't become true, no matter how often you say it.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Let me rephrase that, two people came to power, both had a startling similar socialist agendas, both were very charismatic and could draw the crowds and convince the masses

Obama a socialist? On what fucking planet? He's a centerist (by american standards) at best.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

t will probably be too late anyway before the masses come to an understanding just as it was in Adolf Hitlers and Joseph Stalins time.

Frankly, you're on a bit of a losing streak with these predictions of late. So, we'll add this in the long-term bet box along with all your other ones.
Let's see who's right, shall we?

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Obama has the potential to kill far more people than Adolf Hitler and in fact any other leader that set foot on this planet.

"Potential" is not intent. Nor is it a damning evidence of inevitable action.
Also, you seem to have confused the President of the united states with a mythical construct of "god king of the united states".

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It is a horrible proposition to have to come up with. Just think about it, that man who "came out of no where" in the last decade has far more weaponry including nukes at his finger tips than any other man in living history.

I have thought about it - but unless I'm convinced of his nefarious intentions A priori then this makes him no different to every president before him from WW2 onwards, and as well as the head of every great empire on the face of the earth since the dawn of time.

It's hardly compelling evidence for what you seem to be convinced of.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You have yet to show me purchase orders of similar quantities of bullets for these same departments prior to Obams's current term in office because you can't.

The burden of proof, it lies with you.
Stop trying to get other people to make your arguments for you.

Run_to_da_hills

hooradiation wrote: »

This won't become true, no matter how often you say it.

That's what the powers that be would like us to believe. :rolleyes:

The provisions are in there.

hooradiation wrote: »

Obama a socialist? On what fucking planet? He's a centerist (by american standards) at best.

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New Obama slogan has long ties to Marxism, socialism

hooradiation wrote: »

The burden of proof, it lies with you.
Stop trying to get other people to make your arguments for you.

The very fact that this topic of concern has come to light and raised alarm bells is enough to say the least

Nothing of this concern against the ordinary people of America has ever occurred yet in recent United States history.

The writing is on the wall.

Tym

The obvious difference is of course that one has an moustache and the other one doesn't.

Yes, Hitler supported Gay marriage and multicultural society...

Monty Burnz

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I didn't even mention the health reform bill, the fact that both ruled in countries they weren't born in, both had national socialist ideologies, both spoke at large outdoor gatherings. Perhaps one very worrying thing is that today Obama has has nuke buttons at his finger tips, Adolf Hitler did not. :eek:

These points are all laughable, I'm afraid.

1. What does health reform have to do with Nazism?
2. Obama does not rule in a country he was not born in.
3. In what sense is Obama a Nazi?
4. They are not the only two politicians who speak at large outdoor gatherings. Gandhi, Daniel O'Connel, Nelson Mandela and...just about every politician who could command an audience has done the same. Jackie Healy Rae too, in all likelihood. Perhaps he is the anti-Christ? It would explain his weird chrome helmet hairdo at least.

Monty Burnz

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Let me rephrase that, two people came to power, both had a startling similar socialist agendas, both were very charismatic and could draw the crowds and convince the masses.

Can you please outline exactly how Obama's social policies parallel Hitler's?

Can you further explain how 2012 USA does not look a whole lot like Germany 1937?

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

New Obama slogan has long ties to Marxism, socialism

So if you ignore all of his policies and everything he has done, and focus solely on finding links to a single-word slogan, then he's just like Hitler?

Fair enough. Jesus is also just like Hitler - they both had penises.

hooradiation

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

That's what the powers that be would like us to believe. :rolleyes:

The provisions are in there.

And for the Nth time that does not say what you claim it does.
As Sisyphean a task as this is, I'm going to try, yet again, to get you to lay out, citing the document you've linked, where your assertion that this executive order gives Obama the ability to "shut down the internet".

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

New Obama slogan has long ties to Marxism, socialism

You said Obama is a socialist. Demonstrate how this is so. it should be a simple matter from his policies to do so. Less so than simply implying that the use of the word "Forward" makes him a socialist.

Here's a hint - the house of congress is currently enjoying a mid-teens approval rate and is general perceived as being an intractable malaise, incapable of doing anything.
What, in this context, might the concept of "forward" actually mean?
Especially so seeing as the GOP ticket has selected as it's VP a man who's the embodiment of said obstructionist congress.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The very fact that this topic of concern has come to light and raised alarm bells is enough to say the least

No it's not.
The fact that you've chosen to contrive concern out of this is indication of nothing more than that.
Your particular misinterpretations do not constitute anything of value on their own. They must be backed by something substantive.

So far, nothing.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Nothing of this concern against the ordinary people of America has ever occurred yet in recent United States history.

Then it should be simple for you to demonstrate that this is the case.
Y'know, that burden of proof thing I talked about earlier.
It's important.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The writing is on the wall.

No, it isn't.
This is 1 part fact, 9 parts make believe.

Every dumb dogwhistle and hysterical talking point rolled into one blog post. Preaching to the choir of "true-believers".
Which is fine for them, but don't expect anyone else to simply give this a pass on the grounds that you earnestly believe, but cannot demonstrate , it to be true.

Run_to_da_hills

Tym wrote: »

Yes, Hitler supported Gay marriage and multicultural society...

Yeah, Hitler wasn't confronted with a general election. :rolleyes:

Anyway to answer the above questions, this thread is starting to go off course.

It is really about the US Government arming various departments to the teeth with bullets, and no one has yet to give me a good reason other than for target practising and calibrating equipment.

Monty Burnz

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Yeah, Hitler wasn't confronted with a general election.

Wait a minute - you mean Obama hasn't banned other political parties, established a dictatorship, persecuted ethnic and social minorities and had his enemies murdered?

And they were looking so similar there for a minute. :rolleyes:

golden lane

was obama born in austria.....??????

Run_to_da_hills

golden lane wrote: »

was obama born in austria.....??????

Hirler Austria

Obama Kenya.

Both born outside their jurisdiction of power.

--Kaiser--

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Obama Kenya.

Both born outside their jurisdiction of power.

Any proof that Obama was born in Kenya? More or less a rhetorical question as I know that you don't

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

Tym

Wait a minute - you mean Obama hasn't banned other political parties, established a dictatorship, persecuted ethnic and social minorities and had his enemies murdered?

And they were looking so similar there for a minute.

Thought the proof was in the penis:(

It is really about the US Government arming various departments to the teeth with bullets, and no one has yet to give me a good reason other than for target practising and calibrating equipment.

Have you proven there has been a colossal jump in arms or munition buying?

gibraltar

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

and yes because you have yet to prove to me the reason why Obama is arming his state departments to the teeth with enough weaponry to wage a 7 year war against the American people.

Your reason of target practice and testing guns is miserable and dose not hold one drop of water. :rolleyes:

I have asked you the question three times now and you have still not answered,

Do you know how many rounds are fired for training and firearm recertification? Would you use more or less than an average of 100 rounds per week on training and recertification?

Is it that you are unwilling or unable to answer this question? if my argument does not hold water then please answer my question and demonstrate where I am wrong.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You have yet to show me purchase orders of similar quantities of bullets for these same departments prior to Obams's current term in office because you can't.

You are still trying to hid the huge elephant in the room and you cant admit it.

Why would I bother trying to find purchase orders?, your the one who is concocting this theory. As for the elephant... well I suggest you reread my posts I think you might have missed some pertinent information.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Meaningless to those that cant answer my question with a logical amswer, IE Why the fcuk is US internal Government arming itself up to the teeth.

First of all I said you mentioning healthcare was meaningless in this discussion, go back an read my post before continuing, good now lets move on.

450 million rounds of ammunition over five years - armed to the teeth? come on thats not even 3 bullets for every legally held weapon in the country.

You do realise that their are plenty of individuals in America who buy ammunition by the ton? Its the most heavily armed country in the world and you think Obama is going to fight the american people with handguns and a total 2.25 bullets per possible enemy?

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Its is sad but true.
Again I don't buy your argument one bit. Governments don't make massive purchases of such scale without a reason and you can't come up with a logical answer.

I don't buy your logic at all, expensive live hollow point rounds are NOT used for training purposes or recalibrating guns, they are used specifically for the purpose of killing people. Put this question to any shooting forum and they will tell you the exact same. A minute percentage may may be used for initial testing and calibration but that would be about it.

Your logic is dead duck in the water.

Answered your own question there, why do governments (or anyone ) purchase in large volume?

As you yourself note - the expense of ammunition - this can be undercut, as with most products, by agreeing an order over a longer timeframe, this has many advantages, steady supply at a fixed cost being the main one.

Now you mention firearms training and offer an opinion on it, I have now asked four times for an answer from you about this very subject, perhaps you will answer me now?

Saying that hollow points are not used for target shooting is beyond absurd and highlights how little you know about the subject.

Here is a little bit of free information for you, hollow points as I'm sure you have guessed have a hollow point, this means the round is shorter than a roundnose, this can lead to two things that are of benefit in target shooting 1; smaller surface area of the round allows for less wind to interfere with the rounds trajectory thus increasing accuracy and 2; more mass located towards the rear of the round witch helps reduce the rate that velocity is lost thus increasing accuracy.

If you have any other hopelessly wrong information that you would like corrected please post it and I will help out.

golden lane

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Hirler Austria

Obama Kenya.

Both born outside their jurisdiction of power.

i believe you have to be born in the us....to become president..

not sure about germany.....but hitler had to become a citizen to be chancellor....

hitler then proceeded to reduce the population of europe (including germany).......some mention about lebensraum and a thousand year reich.....

what a gob****e.....

gibraltar

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Hirler Austria

Obama Kenya.

Both born outside their jurisdiction of power.

Please stop this, just stop... it really is desperately sad to see you trot out what you know is nonsense just to get a reaction. You are beginning to make me feel sad for you by doing this, we get it ok - Obama - Kenya, antichrist blah blah ... ok great now let it go, just let it go.

Monty Burnz

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Any proof that Obama was born in Kenya? More or less a rhetorical question as I know that you don't

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

Yes, it would be interesting to stack up the piles of evidence to compare them.

Hint: being black does not mean that you were born in Africa.

Run_to_da_hills

gibraltar wrote: »

Saying that hollow points are not used for target shooting is beyond absurd and highlights how little you know about the subject.

I know enough about the subject, they will only use a small quantity of what vast quantities of bullets they got for training, the rest will be used against American People when Martial law breaks out.

gibraltar wrote: »

Please stop this, just stop... it really is desperately sad to see you trot out what you know is nonsense just to get a reaction. You are beginning to make me feel sad for you by doing this, we get it ok - Obama - Kenya, antichrist blah blah ... ok great now let it go, just let it go.

More to the point Obama Liar, says he's from America but in reality he is from Kenya.

If he lies about the small things of life surely he will do the same with the bigger things, like causing terror and blaming boogeymen so that he can frighten the masses and fulfil his agendas.

--Kaiser--

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

More to the point Obama Liar, says he's from America but in reality he is from Kenya.

If he lies about the small things of life surely he will do the same with the bigger things, like causing terror and blaming boogeymen so that he can frighten the masses and fulfil his agendas.

Are you going to prove this or keep spouting spurious claims?

Run_to_da_hills

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Are you going to prove this or keep spouting spurious claims?

This subject has been flogged to death on several threads on this forum and I have no intention of bringing it up here.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056643630

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71916492

--Kaiser--

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

This subject has been flogged to death on several threads on this forum and I have no intention of bringing it up here.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056643630

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71916492

I have no intention of wading through several pages of heasay and conjecture. If you have proof perhaps you can present it? I would be intrigued to see such evidence. As would millions of people around the world

Monty Burnz

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

This subject has been flogged to death on several threads on this forum and I have no intention of bringing it up here.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056643630

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71916492

Yes, the myth that he was born outside Hawaii was flogged to death because there was zero evidence to support it compared to the mountain of evidence to refute it.

You are a victim of truthiness, I feel. Your main criteria for believing something seems to be 'do I want to believe it?' - the facts that go against this belief are then completely ignored.