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15-08-2012 1:47pm#1
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amphkingwest wrote: »Often wondered when dealing with the sales reps about the legality of the wetsuits with the 'gill' type flaps on the forearms. Question was never directly answered and usually a muttered 'they're not illlegal' was the reply.
The answer is now definitive http://www.triathlonireland.com/index.php?id=107&nid=885
From Triathlon Ireland:
"As per the ITU rule 4.6 b (i) first bullet point, which forbids artificial propulsion devices, wetsuits with elements which separates from the wetsuit in the propulsion phase of the stroke, increasing the pushing surface, are not allowed."
Rule 4.6
b.) Illegal Equipment:
(i) Athletes must not use:
• Artificial propulsion devices;
I first saw this as a drive system which promises:
Increases the effective cross sectional area of the arm by 8%.
Carbon Drive panels are activated only on the pull portion of the stroke.
Complies with the latest WTC, USAT and ITU regulations.
Be sure of the rules when buying any piece of equipment. Expect to see some of the most expensive wetsuits drop dramatically in price in the next short while, don't be codded.
Never seen these wetsuits, can you give us a link to one?? Solely for research
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The link to the rocketscience is one. Speedo also launched one recently, which I expect will be shortlived.
VORTEXTM stroke panel (patent pending) technology which increases the efficiency of every swim stroke. The panels activate and expand in the pull phase of the stroke, increasing the drag coefficient, thus allowing more energy to be directed to the water.
I can't figure out how to embed pics, but its here: http://www.speedousa.com/female-tri-elite-long-sleeve-wetsuit.shtml0 -
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BetterThanHoyte wrote: »Never seen these wetsuits, can you give us a link to one?? Solely for research
You don't need anything to help you go quicker in the water!!0 -
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amphkingwest wrote: »
But if you want to change your Xterra for something more comfortable...:)
Ha no chance - that big red X across the front along with the Kayenne googles makes me feel like a superhero, perhaps Cyclops from X-men (although not quiet as buff perhaps)
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if i glue 4 garmins 310 on the arms of my wet suit I get far more resitence than this suit , and its legal ......
I assume tapeing those catchers up with duct tape will be fine.Unregistered. wrote: »
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El Director wrote: »Yep saw that a few weeks ago. At the beginning of the season I saw a guy wearing one of these and he showed me these panels that activate on the pull phase....pure Batman sh1t! I laughed and said "sure that has to be cheating!" He laughed too and neither of us thought any more of it. That was until I saw that article and thought back. I e mailed that same guy (top triathlete in Ire, always in top 2/3 of swim) to ask will this effect him. Did not hear back. I assume it will, right? I mean just read this:
"...The improved VORTEX Stroke Panel 2.0 technology increased the power delivery of every swim stroke during your swim. The new forearm panels activate and expand during then pull phase of the stroke, allowing a better hold on the water. Drag is increased by 30% compared to the 2010 model, which creates more energy transfer to the forward propulsion. The panels then de-activate in the recovery phase of the stroke allowing for a regular arm recovery"
It's cheating in my eyes. Big question is....will Tri Ire enforce the rule?
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure I know who you're talking about!
Noticed a new wetsuit talking to him in Valentia.
If so, then I did notice he had swapped back to his previous wetsuit in his last race so perhaps on the back of the regulations!
Mad some waste of money if you'd just bought that bad boy...!
If its same person I'm thinking of, then you could easily ask him yourself
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@OP - great post, and you're probably in a better position than most to comment on this but it's definitely something creeping in across a lot of suits.
In the last couple of years its gone from the 'ridges' on the suit's forearms and now these flaps. As before, to use someone elses phrase it's "cheating" since if it's allowed then the manufacturers will steadily go towards 'mits' for each hand that operate as paddles etc and are easy to slip out of coming to the end of a swim.
But then again, with the wetsuits providing such buoyancy most are effectively cheating anyway. The rules on wetsuit swim or no wetsuit swim are based on water temperature - so why allow the suits that provide free buoyancy and use finishes that reduce drag ? why not just make everyone swim in 'surf' style wetsuits that work by maintaining a layer of water next to the body to keep you warm, provide flexibility but not quite the buoyancy that a swim wetsuit does and doesn't have forearm finishes that facilitate catching and holding more water when pulling ?
Since everyone is wearing them nobody is cheating eh
and lets face it, money makes the world go around and around and ....
** was swimming last night, alone, without a wetsuit, hat, goggles and realised how f*cking inhibited the things make you feel in the water and how they completely alter your body position from the stroke you've worked on in the pool. Naturally, Ill be donning my highly buoyant suit, because of the rules, this weekend ... but just once, in July or August, it'd be nice to do a triathlon (in Ireland) without the wetsuit.0 -
interested wrote: »@OP - great post, and you're probably in a better position than most to comment on this but it's definitely something creeping in across a lot of suits.
In the last couple of years its gone from the 'ridges' on the suit's forearms and now these flaps. As before, to use someone elses phrase it's "cheating" since if it's allowed then the manufacturers will steadily go towards 'mits' for each hand that operate as paddles etc and are easy to slip out of coming to the end of a swim.
But then again, with the wetsuits providing such buoyancy most are effectively cheating anyway. The rules on wetsuit swim or no wetsuit swim are based on water temperature and associated safety - so why allow the suits that provide free buoyancy ? why not just make everyone swim in 'surf' wetsuits that work by maintaining a layer of water next to the body to keep you warm, provide flexibility but not quite the buoyancy that a swim wetsuit does ?
Since everyone is wearing them nobody is cheating eh
was swimming in OW last night without a suit and realise how restricted and remote swimming in a wetsuit is
...and why allow bikes with gears when single speeds are ok and in the olden days everyone used to run in cloggs so runners are effectively cheating too!
A certain amount of technology can aid a sport. the wetsuit issue in regards to pull flpannels is different. It's an unfair advantage.
The added buoyancy of a wetsuit is a different matter and you say is based on safety. It can also make the difference between someone trying the sport and someone just not bothering as the swim is too off-putting.0 -
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I probably didn't make my point very well in retrospect as i was too busy trying for sarcasm
. What I was trying to get across that I wouldn't consider wetsuits as cheating.
You come from a swim background so don't need the aid of wetsuit buoyancy as much as some of the rest of us. I mean look how many people were disappointed when Austria went to a non-wetsuit swim and most of them would be considered able swimmers.
Wanting the option to complete the swims without wetsuits is an elitist thing. I don't mean that in a bad way, more that it's predominately the top few % of swimmers who would prefer that option - the elite. A non-wetsuit swim would give them a bigger lead going into T1 too. I'm pretty much middle of the pack and would hate to swim OW without a suit with added buoyancy. Yes if I was racing abroad and had to then it wouldn't be a problem as it's the same as a pool swim.
I actually agree with a lot you are saying. Maybe the wetsuits do give a feeling of invincibility to weak swimmers and if they had to prove they could do the swim before entering events then there would be a lot less people not completing. Perhaps similar to the OW events, smaller events/distances should be mandatory to be completed before being allowed to compete in the larger events.0 -
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this post will earn you from somebody a comment that you have wetsuit envy ;-)
edit ups i see iam too late with that commentinterested wrote: »@OP - great post, and you're probably in a better position than most to comment on this but it's definitely something creeping in across a lot of suits.
In the last couple of years its gone from the 'ridges' on the suit's forearms and now these flaps. As before, to use someone elses phrase it's "cheating" since if it's allowed then the manufacturers will steadily go towards 'mits' for each hand that operate as paddles etc and are easy to slip out of coming to the end of a swim.
But then again, with the wetsuits providing such buoyancy most are effectively cheating anyway. The rules on wetsuit swim or no wetsuit swim are based on water temperature - so why allow the suits that provide free buoyancy and use finishes that reduce drag ? why not just make everyone swim in 'surf' style wetsuits that work by maintaining a layer of water next to the body to keep you warm, provide flexibility but not quite the buoyancy that a swim wetsuit does and doesn't have forearm finishes that facilitate catching and holding more water when pulling ?
Since everyone is wearing them nobody is cheating eh and lets face it, money makes the world go around and around and ....
** was swimming last night, alone, without a wetsuit, hat, goggles and realised how f*cking inhibited the things make you feel in the water and how they completely alter your body position from the stroke you've worked on in the pool. Naturally, Ill be donning my highly buoyant suit, because of the rules, this weekend ... but just once, in July or August, it'd be nice to do a triathlon (in Ireland) without the wetsuit.0 -
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