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Japan..fukushima....it hasn't gone away you know!!!

  • 12-08-2012 9:46am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭


    Well?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    What's the conspiracy theory?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    Maybe its all fixed now. Maybe they cleaned up all the fuel rods that blew all over the place from a gas explosion that should not have happened because of the giant chimmney built to take away hydrogen.
    Maybe they cleaned up their computer systems after stuxnet got into them.

    The place is fcuked and there is no way to talk about it in anything other than a bad light. So its not talked about.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    What's the conspiracy theory?
    Seriously, if you cant see that........


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,891 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    is the conspiracy related to how it happened, or what happened since?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    What's the conspiracy theory?

    Corporate mainstream media black out, dumb down and disinformation from the masses about the true severity of this incident.

    BTW GE has an interest in Corporate Media so it would be of its interest to keep a lid on matters.

    For those that want to know what is really going on out there. here's some good up to date links.

    http://rense.com/

    www.fairewinds.com

    enenews.com


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭EURATS


    is the conspiracy related to how it happened, or what happened since?


    U could say both..but I'm really getting at how strange it is that something so serious..falls off the radar


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,379 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Corporate mainstream media black out, dumb down and disinformation from the masses about the true severity of this incident.

    BTW GE has an interest in Corporate Media so it would be of its interest to keep a lid on matters.

    For those that want to know what is really going on out there. here's some good up to date links.

    http://rense.com/

    www.fairewinds.com

    enenews.com

    You see it's easy to throw out stuff like this but a very quick google search reveals dozens of articles relating to Fukushima written even in the last few days with many detailing the longer term effects of what happened. here and here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭EURATS


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Corporate mainstream media black out, dumb down and disinformation from the masses about the true severity of this incident.

    BTW GE has an interest in Corporate Media so it would be of its interest to keep a lid on matters.

    For those that want to know what is really going on out there. here's some good up to date links.

    http://rense.com/

    www.fairewinds.com

    enenews.com

    You see it's easy to throw out stuff like this but a very quick google search reveals dozens of articles relating to Fukushima written even in the last few days with many detailing the longer term effects of what happened. here and here



    Wow...that's a real media storm..Jaysus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭Mr NoTV


    They'd like us to think it's all gone away. The danger this 'hanging accident' poses to the safety of the world is unimaginable. It is not cleared up, not safe yet and probably never will be. The media have turned a convenient blind eye on what was a good little news story a while back - out of sight, out of mind. No doubt the authorities don't want panic but to allow the human race to wallow in ignorance is a disgrace.
    Fukoshima was to real accident anyway ... general apathy, shoddy management and bad design led to this abandoned live time-bomb.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,379 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    EURATS wrote: »
    Wow...that's a real media storm..Jaysus.

    All dated in just the last few days. I suppose it's much easier to ignore the coverage and pretend it isn't there and then shout about "de gubbermint conspiracy" etc. You see when thousands of people didn't die from Fukushima as the anti-nuclear/conspiracy brigade were predicting and scare mongering about they now have to turn to the next best thing........"TIS ALL A CONSPIRACY".


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭EURATS


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    EURATS wrote: »
    Wow...that's a real media storm..Jaysus.

    All dated in just the last few days. I suppose it's much easier to ignore the coverage and pretend it isn't there and then shout about "de gubbermint conspiracy" etc. You see when thousands of people didn't die from Fukushima as the anti-nuclear/conspiracy brigade were predicting and scare mongering about they now have to turn to the next best thing........"TIS ALL A CONSPIRACY".


    They aren't exactly mainstream media..far from it in fact.
    As for gubbermint..I can only assume that's ur pet name for kenny and co.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    You see it's easy to throw out stuff like this but a very quick google search reveals dozens of articles relating to Fukushima written even in the last few days with many detailing the longer term effects of what happened. here and here

    Most of the stuff that appears on MSM particularly American would be fluff compared to those links.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    shedweller wrote: »
    Maybe its all fixed now.

    Maybe go read about it?
    Maybe they cleaned up all the fuel rods that blew all over the place from a gas explosion that should not have happened because of the giant chimmney built to take away hydrogen.

    I could have sworn a giant tidal hit the country, how dare anything go wrong!
    Maybe they cleaned up their computer systems after stuxnet got into them.

    What?
    The place is fcuked and there is no way to talk about it in anything other than a bad light. So its not talked about.

    Yes it is
    http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/video-shows-fukushima-crisis-talks/
    http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-08-10/iaea-nuke-plant-near-fukushima-largely-undamaged
    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/08/09/fukushima-truth-still-elusive-even-after-inquiries.html
    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-08/japan-utilities-emit-record-co2-after-fukushima-disaster
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/11/world/asia/japan-inspectors-study-plant-that-avoided-disaster.html
    There are dozens of articles just from the last few days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,379 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    EURATS wrote: »
    They aren't exactly mainstream media..far from it in fact.
    As for gubbermint..I can only assume that's ur pet name for kenny and co.

    So New York Times, WSJ, Guardian etc aren't mainstream media?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,379 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Most of the stuff that appears on MSM particularly American would be fluff compared to those links.

    But there are news stories and articles there from new York times, sf chronicle, Washington post, Reuters, business week etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    I dont think thousands of people would die unless it was a nuclear explosion,you may be getting mixed up there.It was a meltdown.
    So i presume any related deaths would be minimal in the first few months and would increase as the years go on.

    I have a question for posters here.
    Why do you think the japanese government are taking so long to do the obvious? In relation to the number 4 reactor needing immediate attention.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭EURATS


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    EURATS wrote: »
    They aren't exactly mainstream media..far from it in fact.
    As for gubbermint..I can only assume that's ur pet name for kenny and co.

    So New York Times, WSJ, Guardian etc aren't mainstream media?[/





    Haven't had time to go through them so can't comment.
    Is still SFA....considering the seriousness of the situation!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    But there are news stories and articles there from new York times, sf chronicle, Washington post, Reuters, business week etc.
    One would find very little in those media sources you mentioned discussing the the precarious condition of NO4 and the consequences on a global scale should it collapse.

    Natural News.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    Interestingly(but most likely not true!) the zionist psuedo christian cult i grew up in would say, if armageddon comes there will be a thousand year reign, where Gods people clean up the earth and make it into a paradise.

    Out of curiosity is 1000 years about the same amount of time for a global nuclear fallout to be cleared?
    According to Ct'ers a few blasts of HAARP should do the trick to set it off.(harp larger joke deleted..too cheesy lol)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,379 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    One would find very little in those media sources you mentioned discussing the the precarious condition of NO4 and the consequences on a global scale should it collapse.

    Natural News.

    Wow that article is one of the biggest exercises in scare mongering and whataboutery I've ever read...end of civilisation FFS!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Tomk1


    EURATS wrote: »
    Well?
    Japan..fukushima....it hasn't gone away you know!!!
    ''Fukushima, I presume'' yeap still here, still on the map, unlike Atlantis.

    The only conspiracy maybe is calling the incident or 'Hazard' an actual disaster, no deaths a few injuries, no nuclear-explosion, no financial loss directly related to it, apart from the power station & costal areas being hit by an earthquake + Tsunami.

    i.e. a large forest-fire, burning houses and killing people is a natural disaster, if it burns down a fossil fual electric station, releasing tons of environmentally damaging toxins, the power station is still a hazard not the disaster.

    Yes some radioactive material was released, but any effect whatsoever on people or the environment in reality has been minimal (even nill), by putting it into perspective against the effect of the Tsunami on people & the environment, it's just a distraction from the real disaster.

    Maybe at most Fukasima could be classed as a near-disaster, but that doesn't sell newspapers.

    The sky news corrispondent in Lybia had bullets flying over her head, anti aircraft fire, real movie stuff, then at a cost of a few hundread thousand, jet & helicopter into disaster-Japan, the 20,000 dead and the distruction got boring after a few days, but an impending nuclear explosion live on air, Mushroom clouds, now thats headlines, but after weeks of waiting nothing happened, no mutants or people with blood coming of their eyes, & the stench from all those dead bodies due to teh....eer Tsunami, is getting a bit much, better get back to Lybia.
    Nearly 20,000 people died during the quake off northern Japan and following tsunami. That was a disaster.. \ ..Impending doom is much more fun, especially when there is a villain. Somebody to blame.. \... Once the nuke story got running, it was unstoppable. Instead of filming endless actual suffering, photographers in Japan staked out hospitals hoping to find radiation victims to fan their virtual fire of doom
    More...
    www.thepunch.com.au/articles/Fukushima-was-no-disaster-no-matter-how-you-spin-it/

    I guess though OP weapons Radiation of mass distruction is your conspiracy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭EURATS


    Tomk1 wrote: »
    EURATS wrote: »
    Well?
    Japan..fukushima....it hasn't gone away you know!!!
    ''Fukushima, I presume'' yeap still here, still on the map, unlike Atlantis.

    The only conspiracy maybe is calling the incident or 'Hazard' an actual disaster, no deaths a few injuries, no nuclear-explosion, no financial loss directly related to it, apart from the power station & costal areas being hit by an earthquake + Tsunami.

    i.e. a large forest-fire, burning houses and killing people is a natural disaster, if it burns down a fossil fual electric station, releasing tons of environmentally damaging toxins, the power station is still a hazard not the disaster.

    Yes some radioactive material was released, but any effect whatsoever on people or the environment in reality has been minimal (even nill), by putting it into perspective against the effect of the Tsunami on people & the environment, it's just a distraction from the real disaster.

    Maybe at most Fukasima could be classed as a near-disaster, but that doesn't sell newspapers.

    The sky news corrispondent in Lybia had bullets flying over her head, anti aircraft fire, real movie stuff, then at a cost of a few hundread thousand, jet & helicopter into disaster-Japan, the 20,000 dead and the distruction got boring after a few days, but an impending nuclear explosion live on air, Mushroom clouds, now thats headlines, but after weeks of waiting nothing happened, no mutants or people with blood coming of their eyes, & the stench from all those dead bodies due to teh....eer Tsunami, is getting a bit much, better get back to Lybia.
    Nearly 20,000 people died during the quake off northern Japan and following tsunami. That was a disaster.. \ ..Impending doom is much more fun, especially when there is a villain. Somebody to blame.. \... Once the nuke story got running, it was unstoppable. Instead of filming endless actual suffering, photographers in Japan staked out hospitals hoping to find radiation victims to fan their virtual fire of doom
    More...
    www.thepunch.com.au/articles/Fukushima-was-no-disaster-no-matter-how-you-spin-it/

    I guess though OP weapons Radiation of mass distruction is your conspiracy.


    I didn't ask if Fukushima was still there. But thanks for demonstrating ur lack of wit..or at the least the wit of a15 year old.


    Am not sure what way ur heads wired..comparing a meltdown in a nuclear reactor to a house or forest fire...bonkers stuff.


    A release of nuclear radiation on the scale that happened in Japan will take years to fully come to fruition. You obviously watch too many films!! Looking for mutants within weeks..laughable stuff.


    How would u explain all the cancers and deformed kids after Chernobyl? Conspiracy as well? U must have got a dose of it urself...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,379 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    EURATS wrote: »
    I didn't ask if Fukushima was still there. But thanks for demonstrating ur lack of wit..or at the least the wit of a15 year old.


    Am not sure what way ur heads wired..comparing a meltdown in a nuclear reactor to a house or forest fire...bonkers stuff.


    A release of nuclear radiation on the scale that happened in Japan will take years to fully come to fruition. You obviously watch too many films!! Looking for mutants within weeks..laughable stuff.


    How would u explain all the cancers and deformed kids after Chernobyl? Conspiracy as well? I must have got a dose of it urself...

    What's your point exactly? No one knows what the long term effects of Fukushima will be so at the moment it's an exercise in whataboutery and supposition.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    Tomk1 wrote: »
    ''Fukushima, I presume'' yeap still here, still on the map, unlike Atlantis.

    The only conspiracy maybe is calling the incident or 'Hazard' an actual disaster, no deaths a few injuries, no nuclear-explosion, no financial loss directly related to it, apart from the power station & costal areas being hit by an earthquake + Tsunami.

    i.e. a large forest-fire, burning houses and killing people is a natural disaster, if it burns down a fossil fual electric station, releasing tons of environmentally damaging toxins, the power station is still a hazard not the disaster.

    Yes some radioactive material was released, but any effect whatsoever on people or the environment in reality has been minimal (even nill), by putting it into perspective against the effect of the Tsunami on people & the environment, it's just a distraction from the real disaster.

    Maybe at most Fukasima could be classed as a near-disaster, but that doesn't sell newspapers.

    The sky news corrispondent in Lybia had bullets flying over her head, anti aircraft fire, real movie stuff, then at a cost of a few hundread thousand, jet & helicopter into disaster-Japan, the 20,000 dead and the distruction got boring after a few days, but an impending nuclear explosion live on air, Mushroom clouds, now thats headlines, but after weeks of waiting nothing happened, no mutants or people with blood coming of their eyes, & the stench from all those dead bodies due to teh....eer Tsunami, is getting a bit much, better get back to Lybia.


    More...
    www.thepunch.com.au/articles/Fukushima-was-no-disaster-no-matter-how-you-spin-it/

    I guess though OP weapons Radiation of mass distruction is your conspiracy.
    Your point is taken, and i can appreciate the sufferign of those who were in that zone at the time.
    However unless its a conspiracy theory it is not relevant here and most likely why it may not have a thread of its own.Unless it has and i missed it.

    As for the future damage if that reactor 4 goes off...are you saying that its not that serious at all?
    Or that something worse has happened.

    I guess everything is relative.Alot die from smoking all around the world,yet its totally legal to sell Cigerettes as a product to consume.But there is no post about that here either that i can see.
    Nuclear power is a another product of humans that i believe is a bigger risk than its worth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    What's your point exactly? No one knows what the long term effects of Fukushima will be so at the moment it's an exercise in whataboutery and supposition.
    The bread and butter of Ct's :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭EURATS


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    EURATS wrote: »
    I didn't ask if Fukushima was still there. But thanks for demonstrating ur lack of wit..or at the least the wit of a15 year old.


    Am not sure what way ur heads wired..comparing a meltdown in a nuclear reactor to a house or forest fire...bonkers stuff.


    A release of nuclear radiation on the scale that happened in Japan will take years to fully come to fruition. You obviously watch too many films!! Looking for mutants within weeks..laughable stuff.


    How would u explain all the cancers and deformed kids after Chernobyl? Conspiracy as well? I must have got a dose of it urself...

    What's your point exactly? No one knows what the long term effects of Fukushima will be so at the moment it's an exercise in whataboutery and supposition.


    My points are laid out clearly...not to be antagonising u...but have u trouble reading them?

    Again..my point being that there is a serious lack of reporting on a serious nuclear disaster. Have yet to see any documentaries on the nuclear side of the overall disaster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    EURATS wrote: »
    I didn't ask if Fukushima was still there. But thanks for demonstrating ur lack of wit..or at the least the wit of a15 year old.


    Am not sure what way ur heads wired..comparing a meltdown in a nuclear reactor to a house or forest fire...bonkers stuff.


    A release of nuclear radiation on the scale that happened in Japan will take years to fully come to fruition. You obviously watch too many films!! Looking for mutants within weeks..laughable stuff.


    How would u explain all the cancers and deformed kids after Chernobyl? Conspiracy as well? U must have got a dose of it urself...

    What is the conspiracy?

    It's the second worst disaster after Chernobyl. Everything is pretty well documented.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,379 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    EURATS wrote: »
    My points are laid out clearly...not to be antagonising u...but have u trouble reading them?

    Again..my point being that there is a serious lack of reporting on a serious nuclear disaster. Have yet to see any documentaries on the nuclear side of the overall disaster.

    If the media reported what MIGHT happen they would be accused of scare mongering and conditioning the sheeple etc. What's the point in massive coverage of whataboutery?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭EURATS


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    EURATS wrote: »
    I didn't ask if Fukushima was still there. But thanks for demonstrating ur lack of wit..or at the least the wit of a15 year old.


    Am not sure what way ur heads wired..comparing a meltdown in a nuclear reactor to a house or forest fire...bonkers stuff.


    A release of nuclear radiation on the scale that happened in Japan will take years to fully come to fruition. You obviously watch too many films!! Looking for mutants within weeks..laughable stuff.


    How would u explain all the cancers and deformed kids after Chernobyl? Conspiracy as well? U must have got a dose of it urself...

    What is the conspiracy?

    It's the second worst disaster after Chernobyl. Everything is pretty well documented.

    Lack of media attention!! Simple as.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    EURATS wrote: »
    Lack of media attention!! Simple as.

    There are hundreds of news articles. I've seen at least 3 or 4 documentaries on UK tv/discovery/national geographic. What more coverage do you want?

    It's basically just a Japanese domestic issue at the moment, highly localised within the vicinity of the site itself. Unless you are Japanese within that region it's nothing to really worry about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭EURATS


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    EURATS wrote: »
    Lack of media attention!! Simple as.

    There are hundreds of news articles. I've seen at least 3 or 4 documentaries on UK tv/discovery/national geographic. What more coverage do you want?

    It's basically just a Japanese domestic issue at the moment, highly localised within the vicinity of the site itself. Unless you are Japanese within that region it's nothing to really worry about.


    Well I have seen no documentaries on the nuclear end of it. And have been keeping an eye. Maybe u can point me in the right direction...name of documentary?

    Unfortunately...in a modern world..where goods and people are shipped around the world..I think ur view of it being simply a local issue is bizarre to say the least. Optimistic though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,261 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    EURATS wrote: »
    Lack of media attention!! Simple as.

    You don't know much about Japan do you?

    They are extremely insular and are not ones for mass panic things.

    It's not even a CT, it's just down to the culture.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭EURATS


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    EURATS wrote: »
    Lack of media attention!! Simple as.

    You don't know much about Japan do you?

    They are extremely insular and are not ones for mass panic things.

    It's not even a CT, it's just down to the culture.


    I didn't do a phd on Japan...no
    Am aware of their insular culture alright. Nothing new there. But the yanks don't seem to want to do any digging either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    EURATS wrote: »
    Well I have seen no documentaries on the nuclear end of it. And have been keeping an eye. Maybe u can point me in the right direction...name of documentary?

    Look it up. Multiple BBC documentaries and pieces, esp on the anniversary of the tsunami, e.g. "Horizon", "Panorama". Also quite a few on for Discovery, National Geographic, e.g. "seconds from disaster".
    Unfortunately...in a modern world..where goods and people are shipped around the world..I think ur view of it being simply a local issue is bizarre to say the least. Optimistic though!

    It's largely a local issue. It was 10% to 40% the release of Chernobyl, most of which fell over the Pacific. The Japs are monitoring everything, including food, soil samples, air, ... everything. I mean there have been around 2,000 nuclear weapons tests worldwide, it's well documented and studied, if there was reason to be worried then Fox news and other sensationalist outlets would be all over it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭EURATS


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    EURATS wrote: »
    Well I have seen no documentaries on the nuclear end of it. And have been keeping an eye. Maybe u can point me in the right direction...name of documentary?

    Look it up. Multiple BBC documentaries and pieces, esp on the anniversary of the tsunami, e.g. "Horizon", "Panorama". Also quite a few on for Discovery, National Geographic, e.g. "seconds from disaster".
    Unfortunately...in a modern world..where goods and people are shipped around the world..I think ur view of it being simply a local issue is bizarre to say the least. Optimistic though!

    It's largely a local issue. It was 10% to 40% the release of Chernobyl, most of which fell over the Pacific. The Japs are monitoring everything, including food, soil samples, air, ... everything. I mean there have been around 2,000 nuclear weapons tests worldwide, it's well documented and studied, if there was reason to be worried then Fox news and other sensationalist outlets would be all over it.


    I told u already I've seen the tsunami documentaries. That's not what I'm on about. I also think ur 10-40% figures relative to Chernobyl are amusing. Where u pluck that from? Why would u say there's such a big exclusion zone around the plant? For the laugh?

    A lot of the nuclear weapons testing went on underground. So that figure isnt entirely accurate either.

    As for trusting the japs with their figures...they already got it wrong once...hence the problem in the first place!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,261 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    EURATS wrote: »
    I didn't do a phd on Japan...no
    Am aware of their insular culture alright. Nothing new there. But the yanks don't seem to want to do any digging either.

    There are dozens of documentaries on what happened.

    But again, Japan is very much an insular country. Unlike the West they tend to just fix the problem without much fuss. Look at the photos of the highways around Japan directly after the Tsunami, and again just a few weeks later. They were completely fixed up.

    The Japanese authorities did stay very quiet at the time about how bad the meltdown was, but that was mainly down to not wanting to cause a mass hysteria, and can you blame them for that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    EURATS wrote: »
    But the yanks don't seem to want to do any digging either.

    The US sent teams, monitored the situation closely, they set up a review of all their nuclear sites, changed and updated safety procedures.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    EURATS wrote: »
    I told u already I've seen the tsunami documentaries. That's not what I'm on about. I also think ur 10-40% figures relative to Chernobyl are amusing.

    These documentaries are about Fukushima.

    The NILU (Norwegian) report
    http://www.nilu.no/Nyhetsarkiv/tabid/74/language/en-GB/NewsId/157/Reactor-accident-Fukushima--New-international-study.aspx
    Where u pluck that from? Why would u say there's such a big exclusion zone around the plant? For the laugh?

    Because it's unsafe.
    A lot of the nuclear weapons testing went on underground. So that figure isnt entirely accurate either.

    The figure is entirely accurate.
    As for trusting the japs with their figures...they already got it wrong once...hence the problem in the first place!!!

    What?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭EURATS


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    EURATS wrote: »
    I told u already I've seen the tsunami documentaries. That's not what I'm on about. I also think ur 10-40% figures relative to Chernobyl are amusing.

    These documentaries are about Fukushima.

    The NILU (Norwegian) report
    http://www.nilu.no/Nyhetsarkiv/tabid/74/language/en-GB/NewsId/157/Reactor-accident-Fukushima--New-international-study.aspx
    Where u pluck that from? Why would u say there's such a big exclusion zone around the plant? For the laugh?

    Because it's unsafe.
    A lot of the nuclear weapons testing went on underground. So that figure isnt entirely accurate either.

    The figure is entirely accurate.
    As for trusting the japs with their figures...they already got it wrong once...hence the problem in the first place!!!

    What?


    They built a reactor that wasn't able to cope with a tsunami, in an area that's prone to tsunamis. That doesnt sound too complicated to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭EURATS


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    EURATS wrote: »
    I didn't do a phd on Japan...no
    Am aware of their insular culture alright. Nothing new there. But the yanks don't seem to want to do any digging either.

    There are dozens of documentaries on what happened.



    I didn't say documentaries about what happened. I was talking about what it was like in the months after it happened up until the present.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭EURATS


    EURATS wrote: »
    Jonny7 wrote: »
    EURATS wrote: »
    I
    Where u pluck that from? Why would u say there's such a big exclusion zone around the plant? For the laugh?

    Because it's unsafe.


    Exactly...and we are all exposed to a lot more sh1t because of it!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    EURATS wrote: »
    They built a reactor that wasn't able to cope with a tsunami, in an area that's prone to tsunamis. That doesnt sound too complicated to me.

    It was able to cope with tsunami's just not one of that scale. There was negligence and poor planning involved. The other nuclear power plant was hit by the same tsunami but it's backup systems weathered the emergency and it held out.

    Ships fail, planes crash, sometimes it's negligence, sometimes it's mother nature, often a combination of the two.. how on earth is that a conspiracy theory?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    EURATS wrote: »
    Exactly...and we are all exposed to a lot more sh1t because of it!!

    No you are much more at risk from just about every other form of pollution.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭EURATS


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    EURATS wrote: »
    They built a reactor that wasn't able to cope with a tsunami, in an area that's prone to tsunamis. That doesnt sound too complicated to me.

    It was able to cope with tsunami's just not one of that scale. There was negligence and poor planning involved. The other nuclear power plant was hit by the same tsunami but it's backup systems weathered the emergency and it held out.

    Ships fail, planes crash, sometimes it's negligence, sometimes it's mother nature, often a combination of the two.. how on earth is that a conspiracy theory?

    I never uttered the words(conspiracy theory). U keep saying them. Unfortunately when it comes to nuclear safety..it can't be dismissed on a grand scale of things as being comparable to a plane crash


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    Is it a lie that a massive portion of north america would be uninhabitable if reactor 4 caught fire?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    EURATS wrote: »
    I never uttered the words(conspiracy theory). U keep saying them. Unfortunately when it comes to nuclear safety..it can't be dismissed on a grand scale of things as being comparable to a plane crash

    Why is it in these forums then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,379 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Torakx wrote: »
    Is it a lie that a massive portion of north america would be uninhabitable if reactor 4 caught fire?

    I would suspect yes. Most of the radiation if it were to happen would fall into the Pacific Ocean. That's just a sensationalist claim with no basis in reality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭EURATS


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    EURATS wrote: »
    I never uttered the words(conspiracy theory). U keep saying them. Unfortunately when it comes to nuclear safety..it can't be dismissed on a grand scale of things as being comparable to a plane crash

    Why is it in these forums then?

    Because the mod sharpshooter told me to put it here..and I guess they had a point. My perspective was that it isn't getting anywhere near the coverage it deserves...for whatever reason that may be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭EURATS


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Torakx wrote: »
    Is it a lie that a massive portion of north america would be uninhabitable if reactor 4 caught fire?

    I would suspect yes. Most of the radiation if it were to happen would fall into the Pacific Ocean. That's just a sensationalist claim with no basis in reality.


    I suppose once it lands in the pacific...then everything is ok. None of the worlds fish live there or wildlife either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,379 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    EURATS wrote: »
    I suppose once it lands in the pacific...then everything is ok. None of the worlds fish live there or wildlife either.

    Who said that? The claim in the article was that much of North America would be uninhabitable. But hey strawmanning is easy to do I suppose.


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