Water Meters--How will they charge us exactly??

paddy147

So with the domestic water meters due to be installed from this October...how does Irish Water (aka Bord Gais) and Phil Hogan plan to charge us on this??

Is it a flat rate for the 1st year or 2 from 2014 or will it be prices as per "unit of water" used from ther very word go.........just like your gas or leccy bill is measured.


Will "Big Phil" and "Irish Water" screw us all over on the price of water???


Because Im seriously considering have a large 6000 litre underground rainwater harvesting system with a 3 stage filtration and UV sterilization system installed into my back garden....with the pending water meter on it way outside my house.





Comments and Thoughts please.:)

marshbaboon

I don't know about you, but I'm going to make like Bear Grylis and drink my own piss.

Am Chile

paddy147 wrote: »

So with the domestic water meters due to be installed from this October...how does Irish Water (aka Bord Gais) and Phil Hogan plan to charge us on this??

Is it a flat rate for the 1st year or 2 from 2014 or will it be prices as per "unit of water" used from ther very word go.........just like your gas or leccy bill is measured.


Will "Big Phil" and "Irish Water" screw us all over on the price of water???


Because Im seriously considering have a large 6000 litre underground rainwater harvesting system with a 3 stage filtration and UV sterilization system installed into my back garden....with the pending water meter on it way outside my house.





Comments and Thoughts please.:)

How much they want to charge for water remains to be seen-

-I have some Intel on the water charges feel free to share with people-off someone I know who has done the water meter installation course- first some people might be wondering exactly where these water meters are gonna be installed-have a look in your driveway or outside on the footpath just outside your gate-look for the watershore as shown in the picture in the attachment-that's where the water meters are set to be installed-luckily for me the water shore is inside the middle of my driveway so therefore they will have to get access to my private property to be able to install the water meter which I certainly refuse access-I know some might say ah sure they go in on property to install it when people aren,t home-Il just fill up the water shore with cement as a measure- second they won't turn off someones water off completely' what they will do however is fix the pressure with the water meter so all someone is left with is a few drips of water out of the tap- last the good news I have being told by this person water meters are not by any means tamper proof there will be ways to tamper with them to make the water meter underrecord the amount of water used.all that aside there was a campaign against water charges last time they were introduced the campaign won in the end and there will be another anti water charges campaign this time.

paddy147

Am Chile wrote: »

How much they want to charge for water remains to be seen-

-I have some Intel on the water charges feel free to share with people-off someone I know who has done the water meter installation course- first some people might be wondering exactly where these water meters are gonna be installed-have a look in your driveway or outside on the footpath just outside your gate-look for the watershore as shown in the picture in the attachment-that's where the water meters are set to be installed-luckily for me the water shore is inside the middle of my driveway so therefore they will have to get access to my private property to be able to install the water meter which I certainly refuse access-I know some might say ah sure they go in on property to install it when people aren,t home-Il just fill up the water shore with cement as a measure- second they won't turn off someones water off completely' what they will do however is fix the pressure with the water meter so all someone is left with is a few drips of water out of the tap- last the good news I have being told by this person water meters are not by any means tamper proof there will be ways to tamper with them to make the water meter underrecord the amount of water used.all that aside there was a campaign against water charges last time they were introduced the campaign won in the end and there will be another anti water charges campaign this time.

The public won the last battle..but this time we have a massive bailout and its the IMF that are enforcing the water meter instalation.:mad:

"Big Phil" seems to be on a mission with this one.

Supposedly the 1st round of instalations are to start this October and every house will have a water meter by end of 2013.:(

And "supposedly" water charges wil start in early 2014

MJ23

Piss in the garden. Save flushing the toilet.

Am Chile

paddy147 wrote: »

The public won the last battle..but this time we have a massive bailout and its the IMF that are enforcing the water meter instalation.:mad:

"Big Phil" seems to be on a mission with this one.

Supposedly the 1st round of instalations are to start this October and every house will have a water meter by end of 2013.:(

And "supposedly" water charges wil start in early 2014

There was reports earlier in the year that some houses over 40 years old/plus some apartments wont be metered because they wouldnt be suitable for metering so they will be on a fixed charge-there needs to a campaign to block the water meters being installed in the first place as there was a campaign last time to stop/halt disconnections-even before the bailout fianna fail and the green party had plans for water charges even if there was no was no current bailout fine gael would be still want to impose water charges on the public.

paddy147

Anyone with a small "uisce" water shore outside their house will be getting a meter installed in there.
The meter itself costs around 50 euro,and the instalation costs about 100 euro.



So I dont know how Phil Hogan can even say that we have to pay 40 euro a year for 20 years to cover the cost of supply and instalation.Is he living on a different planet???

policarp

The same as the new Gas meters.
Remotely. . .

paddy147

policarp wrote: »

The same as the new Gas meters.
Remotely. . .

You mean "pay as you go" gas meters???;)

Bipolar Joe

Fuck this shit, I'm just gonna kill myself. My future is already fucked up thanks to all these asshole Mother fuckers, and the stupid sons of whores who got us into the position where we can be abused by the greedy just because, intent on making me even more penniless than I already am.

Am Chile

paddy147 wrote: »

Anyone with a small "uisce" water shore outside their house will be getting a meter installed in there.
The meter itself costs around 50 euro,and the instalation costs about 100 euro.



So I dont know how Phil Hogan can even say that we have to pay 40 euro a year for 20 years to cover the cost of supply and instalation.Is he living on a different planet???

All depends where the water shore is located if its outside on a footpath or inside on someones driveway-this is one post from another thread I bookmarked ages ago-

A guy that works with me was telling me that in leixlip when he was growing up
years ago when water meters were brought in, people went around and poured
concrete in where the meters were and they were never able to use them again, .

before the water meter installation process begins people can just pour cement down the water shores.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78199548&postcount=483

paddy147

Am Chile wrote: »

All depends where the water shore is located if its outside on a footpath or inside on someones driveway-this is one post from another thread I bookmarked ages ago-



before the water meter installation process begins people can just pour cement down the water shores.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78199548&postcount=483

But what do you do,if you need to turn off mains water to the house in the event of a burst pipe in the garden or driveway (wintertime)??

girl in the striped socks

I have my own water. It's inside the boundary.
Will someone expect me to put my hand in my pocket come October?

RealExpert

paddy147 wrote: »

So with the domestic water meters due to be installed from this October...how does Irish Water (aka Bord Gais) and Phil Hogan plan to charge us on this??

Is it a flat rate for the 1st year or 2 from 2014 or will it be prices as per "unit of water" used from ther very word go.........just like your gas or leccy bill is measured.


Will "Big Phil" and "Irish Water" screw us all over on the price of water???


Because Im seriously considering have a large 6000 litre underground rainwater harvesting system with a 3 stage filtration and UV sterilization system installed into my back garden....with the pending water meter on it way outside my house.





Comments and Thoughts please.:)

As sure as there is a bill on a duck "big phil" and co will try screw us all.

I think they are planning to have a flat rate for each household/flat until the meters are installed.It will probably be up to each individual household/flat to have a meter installed therefore the meter plus installation costs fall on the owner.The reason Im thinking this is not all properties are suitable for water meters so the only way the gov will get every house/flat is the way i mentioned above (flat rate).The gov dont have any costs only all the revenue they take in from it and if or when u get your meter installed by the professional you are keeping them in existing employment and probably not creating any new jobs and the gov are benefitting on the double....ouch
If I were u I wouldnt rush into getting an underground tank to collect rainwater just yet cos I dont think the Irish people are going to stand for anymore of Enda Kennys demands.I live very close to some of the raised bogs that are "closed down" and believe me Enda is not winning the battle of the bogs.nor the household charge and the septic tank charge is next god only knows what the next outragous charge/tax will be.

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Am Chile wrote: »

All depends where the water shore is located if its outside on a footpath or inside on someones driveway-this is one post from another thread I bookmarked ages ago-



before the water meter installation process begins people can just pour cement down the water shores.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78199548&postcount=483

And, the way to deal with this is to have an expensive annual flat rate charge for people who opt to avoid the "cheaper" water metered charges.

Which of the two will most people choose, I wonder...

35x

Interpretation of domestic water allowance?
Curious that there has been no activity on these posts since 08/2012 even though water charges are still a very live topic.
I am currently paying metered water charges for farm / house supply. As I understand it, the domestic component has an allowance of approx 50,000 gals or 225 cub.m. to create "equality" with the domestic only consumers. Currently, some local authorities are billing quarterly through private contractors and dividing the allowance on a per day basis.
However, if there is an under-quota use in one quarter during the year, it does carry forward to next quarter, and in fact you could end up using under your 225 allowance for the year -say 175 cub.m. - and still end up paying for the 'excess' in that one quarter! Surely, if one is entitled to to 225 per year as per Dept. of Environment data, the Local Authority can hardly manipulate the entitlement on a quarterly basis for their own financial gain.
Have they they legal right to do so? Has anybody out there encountered this situation? I'm researching this at the moment but it's proving difficult to get information on it, so I'm hoping boardies can shed light!

PS changed from different forum to here...am I in right place?

Gee_G

What is the story with houses that are already on a water scheme and paying charges? We already pay about €150/year in water charges.

B.A._Baracus

I'm calling it. Give it a few years and the government will be charging you a flat rate for usage of your sewage system. Sure they already hit people who owned septic tanks. Now its time for everyone else.


I am waiting for the day air is to be taxed.

Cantona's Collars

Bump:

It came to light today that Irish Water will be allowed to up their charges if demand isn't high enough to cover their costs or during times of drought.

Fucking typical of the way things are run in this country.

Just like motor tax,they made reductions on low emmission vehicles then when they realised that they weren't raking in enough revenue they upped the charges again.
There's always something that this government does to let them screw the public over & over again.One of the wettest countries in Europe & we've to pay for water and then they are going to charge us more if we don't use enough of the stuff.:rolleyes:

Saucy McKetchup

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

Fuck this shit, I'm just gonna kill myself. My future is already fucked up thanks to all these asshole Mother fuckers, and the stupid sons of whores who got us into the position where we can be abused by the greedy just because, intent on making me even more penniless than I already am.

You still with us joe?

Filibuster

zerks wrote: »

Bump:

It came to light today that Irish Water will be allowed to up their charges if demand isn't high enough to cover their costs or during times of drought.

Fucking typical of the way things are run in this country.

Just like motor tax,they made reductions on low emmission vehicles then when they realised that they weren't raking in enough revenue they upped the charges again.
There's always something that this government does to let them screw the public over & over again.One of the wettest countries in Europe & we've to pay for water and then they are going to charge us more if we don't use enough of the stuff.:rolleyes:

Tis terrible Joe

galwayrush

Not going to pay until I'm happy with the service. Fix the leaks, clean the water and give enough pressure into my house first.

Karl Stein

Ah shower... of bastards.

_Kaiser_

Filibuster wrote: »

Tis terrible Joe

Is it just me or is anyone else sick of seeing this "witty" response on this site? Wonder if you'll still think it's as funny in a two/three years when the bills are 50%+ higher?

Cantona's Collars

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Is it just me or is anyone else sick of seeing this "witty" response on this site? Wonder if you'll still think it's as funny in a two/three years when the bills are 50%+ higher?

Methinks many of the witty posters here are still having mammy & daddy paying the bills.
As you said wait until all these charges start to affect them directly.

dxhound2005

zerks wrote: »

Bump:

It came to light today that Irish Water will be allowed to up their charges if demand isn't high enough to cover their costs or during times of drought.

Fucking typical of the way things are run in this country.

Just like motor tax,they made reductions on low emmission vehicles then when they realised that they weren't raking in enough revenue they upped the charges again.
There's always something that this government does to let them screw the public over & over again.One of the wettest countries in Europe & we've to pay for water and then they are going to charge us more if we don't use enough of the stuff.:rolleyes:

We are not as wet as countries like Italy, Germany and The Netherlands, all of which charge for water. The amount of precipitation is not a factor in the cost of providing treated water, unless in very dry countries.

meoklmrk91

Where I live there is at least one water outage a month, it usually lasts the day, sometimes two. The water is Limey and disgusting, I was posting on the frugal living thread about where to get cheap bottled water and someone posted that I should just fill the bottle up from the tap, if they saw the ****e that comes out if my tap they wouldn't say that. I would have no problem paying for water in theory, as long as it was clean and there wasn't so many outages, but I know for a fact, considering that this is Ireland, that this will continue and I will be paying for Limey crap and I will still be checking the local co. councils twitter feed in the morning to check if there is an outage.

They will be allowed to charge what they want as they will have a monopoly, they have spent €50million of our money already to pay for "consultants", the most important thing for them is making this a financially viable venture and not providing a good, CLEAN, reliable water service for the country. It's a load of ****e if you ask me.

Fiery mutant

zerks wrote: »

Bump:

It came to light today that Irish Water will be allowed to up their charges if demand isn't high enough to cover their costs or during times of drought.

Fucking typical of the way things are run in this country.

Just like motor tax,they made reductions on low emmission vehicles then when they realised that they weren't raking in enough revenue they upped the charges again.
There's always something that this government does to let them screw the public over & over again.One of the wettest countries in Europe & we've to pay for water and then they are going to charge us more if we don't use enough of the stuff.:rolleyes:

I don't mind paying for water so long as it's a good service, and the water is clean and the service maintained to a high standard.

But it wouldn't surprise me if what you say is true. If not enough people are using it, charge more. Such a typically Irish attitude.

Fcukin wasters.

Kippure

Could a mod merge the other water meter thread with this one, its on page 3

Cantona's Collars

Fiery mutant wrote: »

I don't mind paying for water so long as it's a good service, and the water is clean and the service maintained to a high standard.

But it wouldn't surprise me if what you say is true. If not enough people are using it, charge more. Such a typically Irish attitude.

Fcukin wasters.

It was on the news at 12pm on Today FM,I was seriously pissed off listening to it,especially that they'll be installing mine within the next week or so.

They must have gotten the Vintners Federation as consultants,their philosophy is "if people aren't drinking as much in the pubs anymore,we'll keep putting up the price of drink to compensate".It seems the same idea has been implemented in Irish Water.

dxhound2005

Fiery mutant wrote: »

I don't mind paying for water so long as it's a good service, and the water is clean and the service maintained to a high standard.

But it wouldn't surprise me if what you say is true. If not enough people are using it, charge more. Such a typically Irish attitude.

Fcukin wasters.

You don't even know what the system is yet and you are calling it typically Irish. It might turn out to be typically European but as it happens there does not seem to be any typical system in Europe. Even when every other country has a long history of water charges unlike ourselves.

http://www.publicpolicy.ie/domestic-water-charges-in-europe/

The average price of water across many European Cities varies from €0.40 up to €5.75 per 1,000 litres. Within countries huge variation can be seen. In Sweden, for example, citizens in Malmo pay just €1.03 while those in Gothenberg pay €4.19 per 1000 litres.

Of the 65 western European cities reported on who charge for water (Dublin, Cork and Belfast being the only ones who do not) only one city (Glasgow) has a decreasing price structure, i.e. the more water you use the less you pay per litre. This can be thought of like a bulk buying discount. 20 cities (mainly located in Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy) have increasing pricing, so the more you use the more you pay per litre. The remaining 44 cities (Germany, France and UK) have linear charging schemes, so you pay the same price per litre regardless of how much you are using.

Cantona's Collars

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You don't even know what the system is yet and you are calling it typically Irish. It might turn out to be typically European but as it happens there does not seem to be any typical system in Europe. Even when every other country has a long history of water charges unlike ourselves.

http://www.publicpolicy.ie/domestic-water-charges-in-europe/

The average price of water across many European Cities varies from €0.40 up to €5.75 per 1,000 litres. Within countries huge variation can be seen. In Sweden, for example, citizens in Malmo pay just €1.03 while those in Gothenberg pay €4.19 per 1000 litres.

Of the 65 western European cities reported on who charge for water (Dublin, Cork and Belfast being the only ones who do not) only one city (Glasgow) has a decreasing price structure, i.e. the more water you use the less you pay per litre. This can be thought of like a bulk buying discount. 20 cities (mainly located in Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy) have increasing pricing, so the more you use the more you pay per litre. The remaining 44 cities (Germany, France and UK) have linear charging schemes, so you pay the same price per litre regardless of how much you are using.

But only in Ireland will we be penalised if we don't use enough water.Wasn't part of the propaganda the notion that water conservation was at the heart of this scheme? So if we are conserving water it's gonna cost us more:rolleyes: But of course the guys running Irish Water will still have to be paid the big bucks & it's gotta come from somewhere.

I'm afraid you are defending the indefensible,most have said that they won't mind paying for a good service with good quality water but this revelation today is just taking the piss.

dxhound2005

zerks wrote: »

But only in Ireland will we be penalised if we don't use enough water.Wasn't part of the propaganda the notion that water conservation was at the heart of this scheme? So if we are conserving water it's gonna cost us more:rolleyes: But of course the guys running Irish Water will still have to be paid the big bucks & it's gotta come from somewhere.

I'm afraid you are defending the indefensible,most have said that they won't mind paying for a good service with good quality water but this revelation today is just taking the piss.

I'm not defending anything. I don't know what the charging structure will be any more than you do.

It's good that people will be prepared to pay for a good service with good quality water. That is what the 30,000 people in Dundalk have and that is much more typical than the ones that have a poor service. In the 1970's Dundalk's water used to be cut off overnight for most of the summer due to increasing population and dependence on a century old resevoir which could not cope. A major scheme was put in place to bring water from Lough Muckno in Co Monaghan with much of the funding coming from EU sources, over IR£90 million from memory. And later on a brand new waste water treatment plant was built again costing many millions.