Anti-social prisons

Big Mouth

I have what I think is a great idea, how about making "anti-social" prisons in army barracks.

For example if Johnny Toerag with his 250 convictions smacks someone with a bottle but as usual only gets 6 months with 3 suspended due to his drug addictions, pregnant girlfriend, history of drink problems etc how about sending him to 6 months hard labour.

Now the hard labour would be an army controlled operation so Johnny Toerag would be shipped up to the Curragh camp say and woken up with a cold hose every day @ 5am and he'll break rocks or build stuff (bit of hard graft) for 10 hours and then maybe do an hour or two education in the evening.

With longer sentences say 6 years you could make them do first year in army prison and transfer to regular if the pass exams, tests etc and then any problems in regular jail will result in them going back for another spell until they get their act together

I think the initial costs would be outweighed by the long term savings

The pro's of this would be:

1) Keep the army boys busy

2) Not overloading the revolving door prisons

3) Prison guards have more controlled enviorment

4) Discipline the clearly anti-social people who so badly need order in their lives

The Cons:

You tell me...........

Jonny7

Not sure how long this topic will last but here's a rather successful Norwegian model

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18121914

Memory Of 98

It wouldn't work, you'd have all the looney-lefties crying about how he is just a poor, misunderstood chap.

SocSocPol

Big Mouth wrote: »

I have what I think is a great idea, how about making "anti-social" prisons in army barracks.

For example if Johnny Toerag with his 250 convictions smacks someone with a bottle but as usual only gets 6 months with 3 suspended due to his drug addictions, pregnant girlfriend, history of drink problems etc how about sending him to 6 months hard labour.

Now the hard labour would be an army controlled operation so Johnny Toerag would be shipped up to the Curragh camp say and woken up with a cold hose every day @ 5am and he'll break rocks or build stuff (bit of hard graft) for 10 hours and then maybe do an hour or two education in the evening.

With longer sentences say 6 years you could make them do first year in army prison and transfer to regular if the pass exams, tests etc and then any problems in regular jail will result in them going back for another spell until they get their act together

I think the initial costs would be outweighed by the long term savings

The pro's of this would be:

1) Keep the army boys busy

2) Not overloading the revolving door prisons

3) Prison guards have more controlled enviorment

4) Discipline the clearly anti-social people who so badly need order in their lives

The Cons:

You tell me...........

Two problems
1) The European convention on Human Rights
2) The Constitutional rights of those you plan on incarcerating.

In my honest opinion I would consider this thread as trolling , and best suited to AH but I must and do respect that mods have left it here.

Eggy Baby!

Send him to a re-education camp to teach him about the virtues of actual labour and moral living. Hitting rocks does not a man make.

2) Not overloading the revolving door prisons

And who would keep an eye on the prisoners in the army barracks? The sergeants? The officers? Wouldn't they have enough on their hands minding the troops?

4) Discipline the clearly anti-social people who so badly need order in their lives

Where you say discipline, I say rehabilitate. Look at Norway's prison system and see how that correlates to their low crime rates. Then look at America's prison system and then look at their massive crime rates.

1) Keep the army boys busy

If they aren't busy training/doing jobs already.

3) Prison guards have more controlled enviorment

How?

Also, we already have community service implemented in some cases.

It wouldn't work, you'd have all the looney-lefties crying about how he is just a poor, misunderstood chap.

People aren't born antisocial. Its their environment/mental health which impacts on them and defines who they are.

southsiderosie

MOD NOTE:

OP, this could actually make for a good topic if not for the "Johnny Toerag" attempts at snark which only encourage useless one-liner comments like this:

Memory Of 98 wrote: »

It wouldn't work, you'd have all the looney-lefties crying about how he is just a poor, misunderstood chap.

Next time, try to be more mindful of where you are posting, and in the meantime, save it for your blog. However, if you want to clean this up and start over again, PM me. In the meantime, thread closed.