Fantasy Football - Goalkeepers

Mr Moon

All talk about Goalkeepers to be kept in this thread.

spurskiely

What's people feeling on Foster for WBA . Cheap option at 5 mil . Any thoughts .

Lemlin

spurskiely wrote: »

What's people feeling on Foster for WBA . Cheap option at 5 mil . Any thoughts .

Last season under Hodgson, I'd have agreed. However, this year Steve Clarke is managing West Brom. Perhaps he'll be a great manager but I have my doubts.

Tbh, I'm expecting both WBA and Swansea to struggle under their new managers and I wouldn't be surprised if either and/or both go down.

spurskiely

Was thinking the same thing to be honest . Can't make up my mind who to go with . Still plenty of time left .

carlcon

I think I'm going to find it hard to go with two 4.5s. Begovic is the only one I rate highly, and even he might get chucked out again for Sorensson.

I may have to look at a 5m GK to ease my mind.

Melion

With Clarke in charge West Brom are going to be very solid at the back

Copper_pipe

De Gea and Begovic are my two picks, With vidic back the united backline will be much more stable

Melion

Copper_pipe wrote: »

De Gea and Begovic are my two picks, With vidic back the united backline will be much more stable

Until he gets injured again

spurskiely

Melion wrote: »

With Clarke in charge West Brom are going to be very solid at the back

Thought the same for a while then I remembered Liverpool last season . Hasn't exactly filled me wit confidence . Might be better to see how they start off .

Paully D

The big decision here for me is either go with De Gea for £6.0m and hope that Fergie plays him every week if fit, or go for two rotating goalkeepers.

I think it's vital to have some sort of defensive coverage from both Manchester United and City and with it difficult to predict who will start in United's back four, De Gea looks the best option. Even with Lindergaard signing a new deal it's hard to imagine a £20m goalkeeper not being first choice after an impressive second half to the season.

I personally think there's a much better chance of hitting a clean sheet every week leaving De Gea in rather than having to try and guess by rotate between two goalkeepers. Taken from FF Scout:

By splashing the cash on a top bracket keeper, you’re almost adopting a “fire and forget” approach. Joe Hart could very well be your one stop solution all season and, by pairing him with a benchwarmer such as Radek Cerny or Declan Rudd (both at 4.0), you’ve found yourself a keeper solution for 11.0. Opt for the popular but less secure David De Gea at United and you could even achieve a heavy-hitter setup for just 10.0.

Both City and United should push to and even beyond 16+ clean sheets this term so – how sure can you be of bettering or even matching that with a combination of 9.0 or 10.0 keepers? Will Norwich and West Ham, for example, combine for 16+ clean sheets? It’s certainly debatable and you’d probably have to get your selection spot week on week on to achieve it.

The appeal of De Gea, of course, is that he offers coverage of the United defence for just 6.0. While Anders Lindegaard is a clear threat to his starts, De Gea’s early return from Olympic duty has boosted his stock and confidence in him is now renewed.

While a 4.0 benchwarmer will free up the cash, this is where Adam Federici really comes back into the reckoning. Not only does the Reading stopper offer an immediate double Gameweek, he also combines effectively with Hart, De Gea and Pepe Reina should you want to have the option to rotate your heavy-hitter when faced with stern opposition.

For 10.5, the Federici/De Gea combination looks very strong – particularly when you factor in the initial double Gameweek. The United keeper situation is absolutely key, however. If Lindegaard does materialise as a true contender for league starts, suddenly all bets are off. Our strategy is therefore somewhat in the hands of Sir Alex Ferguson – not for the first time and, doubtless, not for the last.

So what I will do is probably go with De Gea and a £4.5m goalkeeper such as Federici. Federici in for the first gameweek as he has a double and De Gea starting every week after that.

As the above article says the strategy is left somewhat in the hands of Fergie, but I'd be absolutely amazed if De Gea doesn't play around 35 league games if he's fit all season and look, if the worst comes to the worst and for some reason he isn't playing, I have a starting goalkeeper on the bench to come in for a week in which I can re-evaluate things.

Hogey007

I had de gea and jaaskelinen in but think i'll go for Fedirici now instead of jaaskelinen. was tempted by cech at 6.5, especially with the DGW but i already have ashley cole as a chelsea defender. I have Torres too and want to monitor the Hazard situation so don't think I'll block up that 3rd chelsea postion with Cech.

darego

Paully D wrote: »

The big decision here for me is either go with De Gea for £6.0m and hope that Fergie plays him every week if fit, or go for two rotating goalkeepers.

I think it's vital to have some sort of defensive coverage from both Manchester United and City and with it difficult to predict who will start in United's back four, De Gea looks the best option. Even with Lindergaard signing a new deal it's hard to imagine a £20m goalkeeper not being first choice after an impressive second half to the season.

I personally think there's a much better chance of hitting a clean sheet every week leaving De Gea in rather than having to try and guess by rotate between two goalkeepers. Taken from FF Scout:



So what I will do is probably go with De Gea and a £4.5m goalkeeper such as Federici. Federici in for the first gameweek as he has a double and De Gea starting every week after that.

As the above article says the strategy is left somewhat in the hands of Fergie, but I'd be absolutely amazed if De Gea doesn't play around 35 league games if he's fit all season and look, if the worst comes to the worst and for some reason he isn't playing, I have a starting goalkeeper on the bench to come in for a week in which I can re-evaluate things.

De Gea and Jaaskelainen are looking like a perfect combination tbh looking at their fixtures

Lemlin

I think Robert Green at QPR for 4.5 million is a steal. Despite the mistakes he made in an English jersey, like Paul Robinson he is still a decent 'keeper.

I also think that Hughes will greatly improve the QPR backline. He did it at Fulham and Blackburn and I think QPR will be no different.

miller82

Copper_pipe wrote: »

De Gea and Begovic are my two picks,

+1

Mr. Incognito

Federici (double) and Jaas for me.

If Fed has a bad run Green comes in.

All 4.5

carlcon

Have to disagree with the de Gea & Begovic combo. Both are home on the same weeks, which is pretty much the only mistake you can make with keepers.

massdebater

carlcon wrote: »

Have to disagree with the de Gea & Begovic combo. Both are home on the same weeks, which is pretty much the only mistake you can make with keepers.

I dunno, I've been thinking about this last night. Consider the fact that if DeGea is dropped for Lindegard in the EPL, it'll more than likely be for an easy home game. Therefore, would it not be best to have a sub keeper who will also be playing at home that week?

SpaceCowb0y

Is nobody rating Krul to have another great season?? At 5.5mil i reckon he has to be good value considering how well he done last season!! I m thinking him and a toss up between Mignolet(5mil)/ Begovic(4.5mil)/ Ruddy(4.5mil)

Everyone keeps suggesting Begovic but for the same price Ruddy out scored him last season?

carlcon

massdebater wrote: »

I dunno, I've been thinking about this last night. Consider the fact that if DeGea is dropped for Lindegard in the EPL, it'll more than likely be for an easy home game. Therefore, would it not be best to have a sub keeper who will also be playing at home that week?

The "if Lindegaard plays" argument doesn't do it for me, because if my 6m GK isn't playing every single game, I'm binning him.

There may be 3 or 4 games a season when you'd expect United to definitely concede (away to City, Arsenal, etc). They're the only games I'd be playing my 2nd keeper. For that reason, I think it's better to have my cheap GK at home those weeks.

massdebater

carlcon wrote: »

The "if Lindegaard plays" argument doesn't do it for me, because if my 6m GK isn't playing every single game, I'm binning him.

There may be 3 or 4 games a season when you'd expect United to definitely concede (away to City, Arsenal, etc). They're the only games I'd be playing my 2nd keeper. For that reason, I think it's better to have my cheap GK at home those weeks.

If that's the case you may bin him now cause he won't play 38 games this season. He got 29 games last year and I expect him to get more this year but Lindegaard will probably still get 4/5. I doubt he'd sign a new 4 year contract unless he's been told he's going to get a few run outs this year.

Fowler87

Fixtures wise Friedel looks great price at 5.5m

manual_man

i reckon Lind will be used for F.A. cup matches and a few games when the fixtures pile up at Christmas time, not much more than that. pretty much decided i'm getting De Gea in. 6m a bargain for that defense and a great shot-stopper too for the odd extra point here and there

kennyb3

SpaceCowb0y wrote: »

Is nobody rating Krul to have another great season?? At 5.5mil i reckon he has to be good value considering how well he done last season!! I m thinking him and a toss up between Mignolet(5mil)/ Begovic(4.5mil)/ Ruddy(4.5mil)

Everyone keeps suggesting Begovic but for the same price Ruddy out scored him last season?

Newcastle in the europa league - look what that did to stoke last year. Plus most expecting them to do worse this season anyway.

Fritzl Funderland

Given and Federici at 4.5 look good. could be a feel good factor at villa with new manager arriving and reading have 2 games in first week

Al Capwned

Fowler87 wrote: »

Fixtures wise Friedel looks great price at 5.5m

Not if Hugo Lloris goes to Spurs.

Lemlin

Anyone recommend a 'keeper who rotates well with Robert Green at QPR?

I was planning to go with Begovic but he doesn't seem to rotate well and I'm getting more and more worried about his place. Sorensen played again last night and has now retired from international football to concentrate on club football.

Begovic has made a couple of errors in pre-season and last year, I can't remember who it was against, but he made a couple of shocking errors when Stoke got thumped in one game.

With Huth now out, I could see Pulis going with the experience of Sorensen.

I'm trying to keep the cost down to 4.5 million as I think there's great value in cheaper 'keepers who score well. That leaves me with the likes of Federici and Jaaskelainen to choose from?

Does anyone have a master sheet of fixtures?

SpaceCowb0y

Lemlin wrote: »

Anyone recommend a 'keeper who rotates well with Robert Green at QPR?

I was planning to go with Begovic but he doesn't seem to rotate well and I'm getting more and more worried about his place. Sorensen played again last night and has now retired from international football to concentrate on club football.

Begovic has made a couple of errors in pre-season and last year, I can't remember who it was against, but he made a couple of shocking errors when Stoke got thumped in one game.

With Huth now out, I could see Pulis going with the experience of Sorensen.

I'm trying to keep the cost down to 4.5 million as I think there's great value in cheaper 'keepers who score well. That leaves me with the likes of Federici and Jaaskelainen to choose from?

Does anyone have a master sheet of fixtures?

Not sure how he rotates with QPR but again i ask does nobody rate Ruddy from Norwich? at 4.5mil he seems like good value! I had him last season, and while i didn't use him often as i had Vorm when he did step in occasionally he'd usually get 3 points or so? He also scored higher then Begovic, Jaaskelainen and can see Norwich doing better then Reading this season therefore placing him higher then Federici!

massdebater

Anyone considering a Begovic-Sorenson combo for 9.0m total? They scored a combined 134 points last year. This year they don't have the Europa League to deal with so should do better in the EPL. Huth missing a few games is slightly putting me off. Someone please talk me out of this stupid move...

Hogey007

massdebater wrote: »

Anyone considering a Begovic-Sorenson combo for 9.0m total? They scored a combined 134 points last year. This year they don't have the Europa League to deal with so should do better in the EPL. Huth missing a few games is slightly putting me off. Someone please talk me out of this stupid move...

it isn't a great move because you'll only ever have 1 keeper that can play and when they go away to united, city, chelsea, liverpool, arsenal, spurs , everton etc or even at home to those teams you're unlucky to get a clean sheet.

Better off waiting to see which of them start the season and then pair them with a 4.5 goalkeeper that's likely to start every week (if you want the 9.0 mil combo) so that you can rotate when stoke have those tricky games.

some decent shouts for 4.5 mil keepers out there, federici, jaaskelinen, ruddy, green.

kennyb3

massdebater wrote: »

Anyone considering a Begovic-Sorenson combo for 9.0m total? They scored a combined 134 points last year. This year they don't have the Europa League to deal with so should do better in the EPL. Huth missing a few games is slightly putting me off. Someone please talk me out of this stupid move...

Look at all teams goals against home v away records over the last 2/3 seasons. Then you'll see why its important to rotate home keepers.

Lemlin

SpaceCowb0y wrote: »

Not sure how he rotates with QPR but again i ask does nobody rate Ruddy from Norwich? at 4.5mil he seems like good value! I had him last season, and while i didn't use him often as i had Vorm when he did step in occasionally he'd usually get 3 points or so? He also scored higher then Begovic, Jaaskelainen and can see Norwich doing better then Reading this season therefore placing him higher then Federici!

Norwich kept very few clean sheets last year. I don't have the stats but I'd imagine they only kept 2 or 3 all season, if even that.

He only scored higher than Begovic because Begovic and Sorensen were rotated. Pulis likes to give 'keepers a run when he does pick one so you'd probably be best off wait and see who he plays and just run with them.

At the moment, I'm thinking of Green and Federici as I think Green is great value and Federici has the double gameweek first week.

SpaceCowb0y

Lemlin wrote: »

Norwich kept very few clean sheets last year. I don't have the stats but I'd imagine they only kept 2 or 3 all season, if even that.

He only scored higher than Begovic because Begovic and Sorensen were rotated. Pulis likes to give 'keepers a run when he does pick one so you'd probably be best off wait and see who he plays and just run with them.

At the moment, I'm thinking of Green and Federici as I think Green is great value and Federici has the double gameweek first week.

Federici may have a double gameweek but what are the chances that Reading will keep a clean sheet in either game? I fancy stoke to at least score against them if not win and then they face Chelsea at The Bridge! I would think it would be better to have a keeper that will more then likely keep a clean sheet then one who will concede in 2 games? Then your stuck with a poor keeper too!

Lemlin

SpaceCowb0y wrote: »

Federici may have a double gameweek but what are the chances that Reading will keep a clean sheet in either game? I fancy stoke to at least score against them if not win and then they face Chelsea at The Bridge! I would think it would be better to have a keeper that will more then likely keep a clean sheet then one who will concede in 2 games? Then your stuck with a poor keeper too!

That's what I'm thinking too. To be honest, if I knew who Puls would start, I'd have them and Green as my 'keepers in a heartbeat. Perhaps the press might get it out of Tony next Friday.

Mr Moon

DDG and Vorm both work well with their fixtures, but can Swansea do aswell this season??

SpaceCowb0y

Mr Moon wrote: »

DDG and Vorm both work well with their fixtures, but can Swansea do aswell this season??

Mad money to spend on 2 keepers though surely!!!:eek:

Mr Moon

SpaceCowb0y wrote: »

Mad money to spend on 2 keepers though surely!!!:eek:

2 Solid keepers with great fixtures, for 11.5? That's not bad at all, I normally stay away from a big team keeper but I can't find a Utd defender I want.

SpaceCowb0y

Mr Moon wrote: »

2 Solid keepers with great fixtures, for 11.5? That's not bad at all, I normally stay away from a big team keeper but I can't find a Utd defender I want.

How Solid are Swansea going to be this year though, i don't see them doing as well this season... i could be proven very wrong though!

kennyb3

If you get DDG how often will you rotate him. 5 games in a season. Combine him with Bego or Fedirici and put the €1m elsewhere imho.

Even DDG and williams at the back saves a crucial €0.5m over the above combo if you want coverage of both teams

Lemlin

SpaceCowb0y wrote: »

How Solid are Swansea going to be this year though, i don't see them doing as well this season... i could be proven very wrong though!

I'm not that sure about Laudrup to be honest. Rodgers had Swansea playing in a system that suited them and I'm not sure any other manager could do the same.

I'd have to agree that 11.5 million is mad money for two 'keepers. I'm planning on spending 9 million on mine. Goalkeeper is the one position where I feel there isn't great value in shelling an extra 1.5 million out on the likes of De Gea.

Last season, for example, Hart was top scorer with 166 points. How much did Vorm and Krul below him cost? They were both less than ten points behind and cost considerably less.

The top teams do tend to concede less but goalkeepers for poorer teams often pick up points from the amount of saves they have to make, whereas Hart and De Gea can often be a spectator for some matches.

grohlisagod

Al-Habsi and Green is what I'm on at the moment. Nice rotation and Wigan were very solid at the back end of last season. Will probably change my mind again though.

kennyb3

Lemlin wrote: »

I'm not that sure about Laudrup to be honest. Rodgers had Swansea playing in a system that suited them and I'm not sure any other manager could do the same.

I'd have to agree that 11.5 million is mad money for two 'keepers. I'm planning on spending 9 million on mine. Goalkeeper is the one position where I feel there isn't great value in shelling an extra 1.5 million out on the likes of De Gea.

Last season, for example, Hart was top scorer with 166 points. How much did Vorm and Krul below him cost? They were both less than ten points behind and cost considerably less.

The top teams do tend to concede less but goalkeepers for poorer teams often pick up points from the amount of saves they have to make, whereas Hart and De Gea can often be a spectator for some matches.

Everything you said makes sense and I can't argue with it.

But two things:

1. last season was last season. Take the season before and Hart got 175 points whereas Friedel only got 111 that season. They were only 13 points apart last season. Each season is different.

Trying to pick this years Krul, Vorm or Friedel is the difficult bit.

2. With so much rotation in teams now (it seems to get worse every year) in terms of defence, midfield an forwards for the big teams I think some people are looking to spend the extra few quid on goalies.

I fully expect to see people get rid of their expensive goalies/defenders once it becomes obvious who is solid and goals go in against their 6m+ defence. The problem is people don't know yet. For example;

Spurs - AVB high line

Newcastle - Europa league, will they do as well this year?

Swansea - Laudrup, no Caulker, Allen or Siggy

Sunderland for me look the best option but their fixtures are only okay.

Man U have a handy enough first 4 matches - so id say people may try capitalise on that till it becomes obvious who is solid defensively.

grohlisagod

Lemlin wrote: »

The top teams do tend to concede less but goalkeepers for poorer teams often pick up points from the amount of saves they have to make, whereas Hart and De Gea can often be a spectator for some matches.

I think De Gea made about as many saves per game last season as any other keeper bar Hennessey. United let teams have plenty of shots last season.

Lemlin

kennyb3 wrote: »

Everything you said makes sense and I can't argue with it.

But two things:

1. last season was last season. Take the season before and Hart got 175 points whereas Friedel only got 111 that season. They were only 13 points apart last season. Each season is different.

Trying to pick this years Krul, Vorm or Friedel is the difficult bit.

2. With so much rotation in teams now (it seems to get worse every year) in terms of defence, midfield an forwards for the big teams I think some people are looking to spend the extra few quid on goalies.

I fully expect to see people get rid of their expensive goalies/defenders once it becomes obvious who is solid and goals go in against their 6m+ defence. The problem is people don't know yet. For example;

Spurs - AVB high line

Newcastle - Europa league, will they do as well this year?

Swansea - Laudrup, no Caulker, Allen or Siggy

Sunderland for me look the best option but their fixtures are only okay.

Man U have a handy enough first 4 matches - so id say people may try capitalise on that till it becomes obvious who is solid defensively.

Bar Mignolet the 'keepers above are all more than 5.0 million, that's the max I would spend on a goalie. I think I've decided on Jaaskelainen and Green. Their fixtures rotate fairly well for the first few weeks and both managers are fond of building from the back by not giving much away.

When its discovered who the good cheap 'keeper is this year, I'll transfer one of them out for same. I'd expect it to be Jaaskelainen to be honest and I never envisaged myself going with him but I see Green as my main 'keeper and Jusse rotates well.

I think the saving of 1.5 million by going for the two cheapies and not Dea Gea/4.5 keeper is warranted.

As for the stats above re saves, any info to back this up? You may well be right but I'd be interested in seeing same. From my experience, goalkeepers for the lesser teams tend to be under alot more pressure and get more 'save points' than those at the bigger clubs.

gosplan

I have only seen it elsewhere but apparently Stoke and Hamers rorate really well for the first few weeks.

You imagine that with Pulis and Alerdyce, they'll be as good a bet for clean sheets as anyone outside the top four.

I reckon for a combined 9m in total, it's hard to look beyond that. Obviously a new Vorm or Krul (or maybe even Vorm or Krul themselves) might emerge but you should be OK for a couple of weeks before you jump on that bandwagon.

The only doubts about it for me are...

1: Stoke didn't do as well as expected last season in terms of clean sheets

2: Krul might be worth the 1m extra. TBH though with Everton away, Spurs and Chelsea in the first four matches, I'm prepared to wait.


The only alternative I can see to this is DDG or Hart + cheap keeper but that's an extra 1.5/2m

premierstone

Going to rotate Green and Mignolet myself, although far from set on that pair.

Who_8_Paul?

Anybody else think Szczesny and Friedel for 11m - 5.5 each, perfect rotation, is good value for the 4th and 5th most clean sheets last year (provided Spurs don't sign Lloris)? I've been chopping and changing DDG with a cheapie and 2 mid price keepers but none of them fill me with confidence, I think the 4.5 options could leak a lot of goals, with Begovic maybe being the exception, although he's not nailed on for the season so; 11m for Szczesny and Friedel is only 0.5 more than Mignolet and Krul which was the option I was looking at initially

mufcboy1999

does anyone think hart will start the weekend? he's down as an injury doubt, missed the chelsea game and has pulled out of the england squad?

Grid.

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

does anyone think hart will start the weekend? he's down as an injury doubt, missed the chelsea game and has pulled out of the england squad?

Looking doubtful , apparently has a slipped disc. Pantilimon will be in for a few rounds I'd say.

mufcboy1999

Grid. wrote: »

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

does anyone think hart will start the weekend? he's down as an injury doubt, missed the chelsea game and has pulled out of the england squad?

Looking doubtful , apparently has a slipped disc. Pantilimon will be in for a few rounds I'd say.

Cheers man I might get in paltimon in and change him once hart is fit for ruddy, that way I'm covered city wise if hart makes an appearance.

massdebater

I think DDG is worth it this year. A lot of people saying 10.5m is too much to be spending on a keeper but you need to consider who your defenders are.

DDG 6.0m + Any starting defender 4.0m = 10.0m

Any starting keeper 4.5m + Ferdinand 6.0m = 10.5m

There are no 4.0 keepers who'll play whereas there are plenty of 4.0m defenders. This sways it towards DDG imo as he's the cheapest way into the Utd clean sheets while still having regular starters in your squad.

Note: If Rafael gets his game regularly at 5.5m it'd be worth taking a 4.5m keeper in DDG's place but until then it's not worth it.

mufcboy1999

I was going to go with DDG and still might but I think he'll be in rotation a bit with lindergard as the season goes on.

Hart ATM for me because lescott is not a nailed on starter with city playing 3 at the back and 7.5 for kompany is a bit too much IMO so in all harts the safest bet to gain entry into city's defence IMO but him bring a doubt has kind of ruined my plans.