Christian faith and the Olympics

Snappy Smurf

So what are the various opinions on the Olympics?

I have some thoughts which I will share later.

PDN

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

So what are the various opinions on the Olympics?

I have some thoughts which I will share later.

I would advise you to share them quickly. Because, as it stands, I see no reason whatsoever why this thread should remain open in a Forum that exists for the discussion of Christian issues.

Snappy Smurf

PDN wrote: »

I would advise you to share them quickly. Because, as it stands, I see no reason whatsoever why this thread should remain open in a Forum that exists for the discussion of Christian issues.

You might not, but I do and that is what matters.

totus tuus

It's good to hear that they have launched a 24 hour Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration at the Olympics.

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/perpetual-eucharistic-adoration-begins-at-the-olympics/

Snappy Smurf

Well I will share my thoughts. I think that the spectacle of the Olympics is interesting. It is interesting to see the skills and abilities of the participants and so forth.

HOWEVER, and here is where the problem lies: there is also a very much prevalent cult of the body, which is contrary to the Christian faith.

I read also that the Olympic village is a hotbed of sexual immorality, with over 100,000 free condoms provided to participants.

The Lord Jesus, in His revelations to Blessed Ann Catherine Emerich, criticised the athletic activities of the Greeks:

Jesus in most appropriate language treated . . . of trade and commerce with foreign nations, taking occasion at the same time to censure severely the various fashions and frivolities lately introduced from Athens. He condemned likewise the games and juggling now in use among them, and which were also spreading throughout Nazareth and other places. These games were likewise a product of their intercourse with Athens. Jesus stigmatized them as unpardonable since they that indulge in them look upon them as no sin; consequently, they do no penance for them, and therefore they cannot be pardoned.

—The Life of Jesus Christ
as told by the Venerable Anne Catherine Emmerich

I also witnessed the power displays and the aggression on show, especially from yer man Bolt and some dude from the USA. It was shown on the TV. They bumbed chests in a show of aggression. The pride on display was incredible and it is easy to see that holiness has nothing to do with that.

The main thesis then is that competitive sports, of which the Olympics are the pinacle example, are an offense to love and are a shameless display of pride and an idolisation of the human body. The extra-curricular activities of the participants in their luxury village after hours would support this thesis.

georgieporgy

It's a nice change from the usual topics. Peace not War might even appeal to our friends on the alternative forum.
The Olympic Spirit brings out the best in man in many ways. In the modern era we spend too much time working and not enough time interacting socially. The games are an opportunity to pause and look at life from a different angle.

I remember as a young teen being very impressed with the gymnastic events and made a point of getting fit and trying to copy my heroes. I ended up in a sedentary job but thanks to the 2 week Olympic influence I've managed to stay reasonably fit ever since (45 yrs later).
Christianity isn't confined to cerebral activities. The epic struggle against yourself (laziness) to excel and "be perfect" physically can't be a bad thing. strong body sound mind etc.
This is interesting:
http://dawneden.blogspot.ca/2012/07/the-pope-who-helped-save-olympics-st.html

Snappy Smurf

georgieporgy wrote: »

It's a nice change from the usual topics. Peace not War might even appeal to our friends on the alternative forum.
The Olympic Spirit brings out the best in man in many ways. In the modern era we spend too much time working and not enough time interacting socially. The games are an opportunity to pause and look at life from a different angle.

I remember as a young teen being very impressed with the gymnastic events and made a point of getting fit and trying to copy my heroes. I ended up in a sedentary job but thanks to the 2 week Olympic influence I've managed to stay reasonably fit ever since (45 yrs later).
Christianity isn't confined to cerebral activities. The epic struggle against yourself (laziness) to excel and "be perfect" physically can't be a bad thing. strong body sound mind etc.
This is interesting:
http://dawneden.blogspot.ca/2012/07/the-pope-who-helped-save-olympics-st.html

That's interesting, but I don't completely agree with Pope Pius.

I think there is a difference between the sports. Not all of them are equally competitive and not all of them require the same kinds of strength or the same immodest costumes.

In any case, I don't think the Lord would be very impressed with the immodest costumes and the shameless strutting about in nothing but underpants.

At the end of the day, at the end of life, we won't be asked about our six packs or the number of medals we won, but on how we loved God and our neighbour as ourself. Is the sporting field a good formation ground for holiness, for virtue? Or is it a hotbed of pride, lust, and aggression?

PDN

Nice to see that Ireland's one genuine gold medal hope (boxer Katy Taylor) is a committed Christian. She worships at St. Mark's Assemblies of God Church in Pearse Street, Dublin.

PDN

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

At the end of the day, at the end of life, we won't be asked about our six packs or the number of medals we won, but on how we loved God and our neighbour as ourself. Is the sporting field a good formation ground for holiness, for virtue? Or is it a hotbed of pride, lust, and aggression?

We might also be asked about our judgementalism towards others. :eek:

philologos

We can be thankful for people like Katie Taylor. Katie's Christian faith inspires her in what she does.

We can be thankful that there are many Christians in sport who are genuinely trying to live and speak for Jesus as they are doing so. There are many people at the games who believe and who truly know Jesus as their Lord.

That's encouraging.

Before the expected - but does God favour athlete A over athlete B. It isn't about God favouring anyone. It is about the attitude that their faith produces in them. I'm not saying that Christians are going to do any better than non-believers, but what I am saying is that it is encouraging to see Christians truly living and speaking for Jesus in the games.

skooterblue2

I remember as a child being fascinated with two Irish cyclists. I later found that they were both doping after winning major cycling classics. Then I heard the Festina team had more pharmaceuticals than Pfizers. Then while everyone was so excited by an Irish swimmer my father was asking similar questions to Tom Humparies. Then when the swimmer came back as Cian O Connors horse it was too much.

Now with supplements and EPO, nandrolon its hard to know where to draw the line. To top it all to get insulted by doper like Daley Thompson. I wonder if I dropped a clanger like that by calling him a "n" what the press reaction would be. As I recall an Irish swimmer who got done for doping was ever referred to by RTE ever again.

Good diet and training and psychological preparation has been replaced with EPO and steroids and supplements. God gave us Steroids for medical purposes not for recreational pleasure.

georgieporgy

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

That's interesting, but I don't completely agree with Pope Pius.

I think there is a difference between the sports. Not all of them are equally competitive and not all of them require the same kinds of strength or the same immodest costumes.

In any case, I don't think the Lord would be very impressed with the immodest costumes and the shameless strutting about in nothing but underpants.

At the end of the day, at the end of life, we won't be asked about our six packs or the number of medals we won, but on how we loved God and our neighbour as ourself. Is the sporting field a good formation ground for holiness, for virtue? Or is it a hotbed of pride, lust, and aggression?

First let me say the main reason I posted was to keep the thread open before PDN put the lock on:).
And let me also say I don't disagree with Jesus .
Beach volleyball and condoms aside, keep in mind the parable of the tares and the wheat. Generally speaking I think viewers are more impressed with the honest champion rather than the drug enhanced variety. And I don't think every athlete in the village asked for condoms. The roaring lion goes around distributing them.
Moving on from the time of Christ as related by my favourite author A.C. Emmerich, we must now compare the Olympics with the alternatives on offer- total mayhem.

skooterblue2

Jesus was just being sore because they didnt allow Jewish Athletes that year

Effects

Christianity should have nothing to do with the olympics. Sport and religion should be kept seperate. Why infect sport with the views of a single belief?

Effects

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

At the end of the day, at the end of life, we won't be asked about our six packs or the number of medals we won, but on how we loved God and our neighbour as ourself. Is the sporting field a good formation ground for holiness, for virtue? Or is it a hotbed of pride, lust, and aggression?

At the end of life that's what you think is going to happen. In all honesty you are probably wrong and nothing will happen.
How can you love your neighbour as yourself if you condemn him here?

philologos

Effects wrote: »

Christianity should have nothing to do with the olympics. Sport and religion should be kept seperate. Why infect sport with the views of a single belief?

Christianity has to do with peoples lives. Unless you're going to rip peoples faith out of it. We're thankful because there are Christians living as Christians in sport. They are an encouragement to me and others who work in secular jobs. Why? - Because not only are they sportsmen, their identity is rooted in Jesus. It's what I hope when I go to work every day, not that I would just be a software developer, but my heart and mind would be rooted in the Gospel and that others might be able to see that.

It's an encouragement to see Christians in sport, and I hope it continues. It would be a sad day when people are gagged from speaking about their faith in fear of offending secular sensibilities.

From reading a bit about the role that Katie's faith has in her life, and has had in her boxing career that some way serves as an example to me. How am I going to live and speak for Jesus, both in a culture that largely rejects Jesus, and also in serving my employer on a daily basis as God would want me to?

Onesimus

sport is a gift of God. Why keep it separate?

georgieporgy

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

That's interesting, but I don't completely agree with Pope Pius.

I think there is a difference between the sports. Not all of them are equally competitive and not all of them require the same kinds of strength or the same immodest costumes.

In any case, I don't think the Lord would be very impressed with the immodest costumes and the shameless strutting about in nothing but underpants.

At the end of the day, at the end of life, we won't be asked about our six packs or the number of medals we won, but on how we loved God and our neighbour as ourself. Is the sporting field a good formation ground for holiness, for virtue? Or is it a hotbed of pride, lust, and aggression?

I agree with everything you say here and would add I haven't watched the Olympics at all, even though I'm in London. It's very quiet here by the way.I think all the Londoners have gone to France.
However , looking at it from the christian point of view, the Olympics exist- you have to jump in there with your fishing rod. There's always a catch to be had if you put your nets out the other side.

skooterblue2

Effects wrote: »

Christianity should have nothing to do with the olympics. Sport and religion should be kept seperate. Why infect sport with the views of a single belief?

As politics and sport should be kept separate so should religion. If you bring religion into it, its about to be hijacked by fundamentalists. X won because Allah/Jesus/Krishna wills it. There are enough distractions.

philologos

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

That's interesting, but I don't completely agree with Pope Pius.

I think there is a difference between the sports. Not all of them are equally competitive and not all of them require the same kinds of strength or the same immodest costumes.

In any case, I don't think the Lord would be very impressed with the immodest costumes and the shameless strutting about in nothing but underpants.

At the end of the day, at the end of life, we won't be asked about our six packs or the number of medals we won, but on how we loved God and our neighbour as ourself. Is the sporting field a good formation ground for holiness, for virtue? Or is it a hotbed of pride, lust, and aggression?

A lot of me is skeptical with posts like these. Most of the gear that athletes wear aren't a sexual thing, it's simply because gear like that facilitates the best performance.

Part of me has to question the almost Pharasaic attitude involved. Why is it always the case that it is the people who are wearing regular gear for participating such events that are allegedly arousing lustful thoughts by what they are wearing? Is there no responsibility on the part of the onlooker as to what they are thinking in this matter?

The Olympics have done a great deal of good here in London particularly on the east end of the city, and it's great to see communities come together and churches get involved in it.

Snappy Smurf

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I remember as a child being fascinated with two Irish cyclists. I later found that they were both doping after winning major cycling classics. Then I heard the Festina team had more pharmaceuticals than Pfizers. Then while everyone was so excited by an Irish swimmer my father was asking similar questions to Tom Humparies. Then when the swimmer came back as Cian O Connors horse it was too much.

Now with supplements and EPO, nandrolon its hard to know where to draw the line. To top it all to get insulted by doper like Daley Thompson. I wonder if I dropped a clanger like that by calling him a "n" what the press reaction would be. As I recall an Irish swimmer who got done for doping was ever referred to by RTE ever again.

Good diet and training and psychological preparation has been replaced with EPO and steroids and supplements. God gave us Steroids for medical purposes not for recreational pleasure.

Most, if not all, the athletes are on something. Now whether that be creatine or Testosterone simulators or stimulants. Those things are mostly permitted I expect. So it's not all natural even if they avoid the steroids.

Effects wrote: »

At the end of life that's what you think is going to happen. In all honesty you are probably wrong and nothing will happen.
How can you love your neighbour as yourself if you condemn him here?

I didn't condemn, I merely judged the fruits I see on display. One can judge fruits, don't forget.

philologos wrote: »

Christianity has to do with peoples lives. Unless you're going to rip peoples faith out of it. We're thankful because there are Christians living as Christians in sport. They are an encouragement to me and others who work in secular jobs. Why? - Because not only are they sportsmen, their identity is rooted in Jesus. It's what I hope when I go to work every day, not that I would just be a software developer, but my heart and mind would be rooted in the Gospel and that others might be able to see that.

It's an encouragement to see Christians in sport, and I hope it continues. It would be a sad day when people are gagged from speaking about their faith in fear of offending secular sensibilities.

From reading a bit about the role that Katie's faith has in her life, and has had in her boxing career that some way serves as an example to me. How am I going to live and speak for Jesus, both in a culture that largely rejects Jesus, and also in serving my employer on a daily basis as God would want me to?

See this is what I'm talking about. I hate boxing as a 'sport', and even more so when done by women or girls. At the end of life, I don't think boxing anybody is going to win brownie points with God, who will judge us according to our works. How, pray tell, boxing the face off someone is a breeding ground for virtue and sanctity is really beyond me, hence my disgust when I read about priests who promote boxing among boys.

philologos

skooterblue2 wrote: »

As politics and sport should be kept separate so should religion. If you bring religion into it, its about to be hijacked by fundamentalists. X won because Allah/Jesus/Krishna wills it. There are enough distractions.

I don't think it is about who is God's favourite. Rather it is about the example that these athletes set in their conduct. Here's an article about her, and the role that her faith has in her life from a few months ago in the Irish Independent.

"Obviously I'd love to go down in history as one of the greatest female boxers (which, of course, she already is)," says Katie Taylor. "But I'd like to be remembered for being a good person too and for my faith in God.

"I don't want people to define me by my medals, but by how I live my life."

Does that sound like a prideful person who is only putting her trust in Jesus to secure victories? Or does it sound like there's a bit more depth involved?

There's some stuff in there about how she's dealt with defeat, and about how her faith motivates her boxing.

Snappy Smurf

philologos wrote: »

A lot of me is skeptical with posts like these. Most of the gear that athletes wear aren't a sexual thing, it's simply because gear like that facilitates the best performance.

Part of me has to question the almost Pharasaic attitude involved. Why is it always the case that it is the people who are wearing regular gear for participating such events that are allegedly arousing lustful thoughts by what they are wearing? Is there no responsibility on the part of the onlooker as to what they are thinking in this matter?

The Olympics have done a great deal of good here in London particularly on the east end of the city, and it's great to see communities come together and churches get involved in it.

God wants us to dress modestly and not to cause our brothers to stumble.

Human nature is weak, and when people see skimpy outfits and lots of flesh, especially if the flesh is as exciting as what is on display at the Olympics, then it ought to be covered for modesty. We have a responsibility to dress modestly. It pleases the Lord when we do this; likewise it displeases Him when we show off our bits and pieces in public.

The Olympics are also known to be very much an elitist thing. Look at the membership profile of the Olympic committee - it's mostly kings, queens, and rich toffs from around the world. At the end of the day, the biggest thing about the event is the money and the multi-million pound advertising deals.

skooterblue2

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

In any case, I don't think the Lord would be very impressed with the immodest costumes and the shameless strutting about in nothing but underpants.

Kindly take a class in sports science aerodynamics, shaving body hair and special materials can reduce wind resistance and shave seconds time off records. Maybe we get the olympians to shuffle around in habits? If you spent as half the time nailing a physics question as you did reading the Bible, you might have gotten further with the DF application

skooterblue2

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

God wants us to dress modestly and not to cause our brothers to stumble.

The Olympics are also known to be very much an elitist thing. Look at the membership profile of the Olympic committee - it's mostly kings, queens, and rich toffs from around the world. At the end of the day, the biggest thing about the event is the money and the multi-million pound advertising deals.

One word "Aerodynamics"

Yeah I could see how you could come to that conclusion. All the Irish boxers were from the Northside or similar places. Athletics usually flourishes at Universities where students are there because of sports scholarships. Is everyone with a third level education an elitist toff or are you just below average?

philologos

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

See this is what I'm talking about. I hate boxing as a 'sport', and even more so when done by women or girls. At the end of life, I don't think boxing anybody is going to win brownie points with God, who will judge us according to our works. How, pray tell, boxing the face off someone is a breeding ground for virtue and sanctity is really beyond me, hence my disgust when I read about priests who promote boxing among boys.

If she was doing it purely as a means of expressing hatred towards another individual, then I might agree. Boxing is a professional sport however, and there are rules and regulations concerning it.

Honestly, I don't think there is anything authoritative in Scripture that says that people shouldn't compete in boxing championships.

Corkfeen

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

See this is what I'm talking about. I hate boxing as a 'sport', and even more so when done by women or girls. At the end of life, I don't think boxing anybody is going to win brownie points with God, who will judge us according to our works. How, pray tell, boxing the face off someone is a breeding ground for virtue and sanctity is really beyond me, hence my disgust when I read about priests who promote boxing among boys.

I was wondering how long it'd take for you to object to women participating in sports..... :pac: Secondly, Boxing is fantastic for children in underprivileged areas, it motivates them to commit themselves to something both physically and mentally. This can help them avoid entering into a far more sinister areas life such as drug dealing etc. I don't like sports but if a person chooses to dedicate such time and effort to them, I respect them for it as much as I respect people who dedicate their lives to excellence in knowledge, works of charity or artistic brilliance.

The games exist to recognise people's perseverance and commitment to reach their physical peak performance. It is a feat of excellence. Do you avoid all beaches and swimming pools because of immodesty, by the way?

Snappy Smurf

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Kindly take a class in sports science aerodynamics, shaving body hair and special materials can reduce wind resistance and shave seconds time off records. Maybe we get the olympians to shuffle around in habits? If you spent as half the time nailing a physics question as you did reading the Bible, you might have gotten further with the DF application

DF application?

skooterblue2 wrote: »

One word "Aerodynamics"

Yeah I could see how you could come to that conclusion. All the Irish boxers were from the Northside or similar places. Athletics usually flourishes at Universities where students are there because of sports scholarships. Is everyone with a third level education an elitist toff or are you just below average?

Boxing is a 'sport' for thugs and those who should know better. Simples.

philologos wrote: »

If she was doing it purely as a means of expressing hatred towards another individual, then I might agree. Boxing is a professional sport however, and there are rules and regulations concerning it.

Honestly, I don't think there is anything authoritative in Scripture that says that people shouldn't compete in boxing championships.

Naa. Boxing displeases God. Can you imagine the Lord Jesus boxing anyone, or any of the saints boxing? I think not.

Men are naturally the stronger sex, and legitimate self-defense is ok and that is the duty of men. But it is beneath the dignity of women to enter into the violence of boxing. Women ought to be nurturers not fighters. It saddens me to see women playing men's sports. A woman must strip herself of her femininity in order to compete in men's sports. Hence all the courseness of female participants in the likes of Gaelic football.

skooterblue2

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

Most, if not all, the athletes are on something. Now whether that be creatine or Testosterone simulators or stimulants. Those things are mostly permitted I expect. So it's not all natural even if they avoid the steroids.

ahem Keratin is natural protein and is not a banned substance. Hormones are banned.

dvae

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

See this is what I'm talking about. I hate boxing as a 'sport', and even more so when done by women or girls. At the end of life, I don't think boxing anybody is going to win brownie points with God, who will judge us according to our works. How, pray tell, boxing the face off someone is a breeding ground for virtue and sanctity is really beyond me, hence my disgust when I read about priests who promote boxing among boys.

i too have trouble when it comes to watching boxing on tv.
i know from reading the bible that god hates violence. some may argue
that boxing is only a sport, but at the end of the day its still two people
trying to knock the head off each other in the ring.

skooterblue2

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

DF application?



Boxing is a 'sport' for thugs and those who should know better. Simples.


Naa. Boxing displeases God. Can you imagine the Lord Jesus boxing anyone, or any of the saints boxing? I think not.

Men are naturally the stronger sex, and legitimate self-defense is ok and that is the duty of men. But it is beneath the dignity of women to enter into the violence of boxing. Women ought to be nurturers not fighters. It saddens me to see women playing men's sports. A woman must strip herself of her femininity in order to compete in men's sports. Hence all the courseness of female participants in the likes of Gaelic football.

Not so long ago you were wishing for a DF application "http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056703364 I don't. I wouldn't mind a job with them myself. bottom of page 1"

Ever gone down to a club? I have .. never see a priest with in a mile of the place. Ever done 5 minutes skipping? worked the bag for 10 minutes? done a 3 minute round? Its better having kids in the club working on a bag than out in the street bare knuckle.

You learn about Nutrition, physiology, psychology. Science seems to have evaded you in life. flirt with it a little you would be surprised how many employment opportunities there are there

philologos

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

Naa. Boxing displeases God. Can you imagine the Lord Jesus boxing anyone, or any of the saints boxing? I think not.

Men are naturally the stronger sex, and legitimate self-defense is ok and that is the duty of men. But it is beneath the dignity of women to enter into the violence of boxing. Women ought to be nurturers not fighters. It saddens me to see women playing men's sports. A woman must strip herself of her femininity in order to compete in men's sports. Hence all the courseness of female participants in the likes of Gaelic football.

Where do you get the idea that boxing as a professional sport displeases God? Or is it just your personal opinion?

By the by - claiming can I imagine the Lord Jesus being involved in professional boxing is irrelevant. I can't imagine that Jesus would have been a computer programmer either. Yet, what Jesus taught has real implications for how we live. I can see that in Katie Taylor.

The Pharasaic attitude to life gives us nothing other than death. It's futile.

All of that stuff is your personal opinion with self-concocted religious trappings.

skooterblue2

You tell a girl she cant learn self defence, and she will beat 40 shades of sugar out of you. Women dont spar with guys. You think women should be restricted to croquet and tea making. Guess you missed the feminist movement then huh? Might shock you to learn they unchained them from the kitchen sink, allowed them into the DF, vote, be officers of the law and allowed them earn an equal wage. God help us if we let them into the golf clubs next thing they will want to be in political office

Snappy Smurf

skooterblue2 wrote: »

ahem Keratin is natural protein and is not a banned substance. Hormones are banned.

I never mentioned keratin.

I am saying that most, if not all, the athletes are taking supplements which are permitted, such as creatine and various other substances. So it is fair to say this is not natural i.e. you wouldnd't get these things in supplemental abundance from a normal diet.

Rynox45

It's perfectly fine to have your own beliefs and to keep them to yourself, but to preach them publicly, mistreat others for them or simply become offended because someone doesn't conform to them is wrong.

The Olympics are a celebration of sport and athleticism. I'm not a big fan of it but I don't see any reason there would be and religious implications of it, being secular as it is. It's a group of people gathering together to do the things they love and have devoted their lives to while millions cheer them on. If you think that's wrong because of the way they go about it, fine, just don't watch.

Snappy Smurf

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Not so long ago you were wishing for a DF application "http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056703364 I don't. I wouldn't mind a job with them myself. bottom of page 1"

Ever gone down to a club? I have .. never see a priest with in a mile of the place. Ever done 5 minutes skipping? worked the bag for 10 minutes? done a 3 minute round? Its better having kids in the club working on a bag than out in the street bare knuckle.

You learn about Nutrition, physiology, psychology. Science seems to have evaded you in life. flirt with it a little you would be surprised how many employment opportunities there are there

Son, I am a trained scientist. Not that that has anything to do with it. I have a sneaking suspicion that you are a re-reg, but again, that is by the by and not relevant to the discussion.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

You tell a girl she cant learn self defence, and she will beat 40 shades of sugar out of you. Women dont spar with guys. You think women should be restricted to croquet and tea making. Guess you missed the feminist movement then huh? Might shock you to learn they unchained them from the kitchen sink, allowed them into the DF, vote, be officers of the law and allowed them earn an equal wage. God help us if we let them into the golf clubs next thing they will want to be in political office

I think not my son.

Bloodwing

Hands up who would love to see snappy smurf stand in front of Katie Taylor and tell her men are the stronger sex/ women shouldn't be fighters.

Snappy Smurf

Neilos wrote: »

Hands up who would love to see snappy smurf stand in front of Katie Taylor and tell her men are the stronger sex/ women shouldn't be fighters.

Lol I think not mate. I'd make further comment only I'd probably get myself or boards.ie in trouble.

I will say that boxing is no school for holiness. It's a training ground for anger and violence and the domination of others. When women box, it's an even greater perversion than it is for men and even more degrading for women.

skooterblue2

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

Son, I am a trained scientist. Not that that has anything to do with it. I have a sneaking suspicion that you are a re-reg, but again, that is by the by and not relevant to the discussion.


I think not my son.

yes I am a re Reg I was Skooterblue I lost my password hence the 2. You are also a re-reg so what were you before Snappy smurf? Snappy Smurf -1?

A "trained " scientist? Pierce Dougherty is a "trained " civil engineer is that the same thing. Turns out he had a pass cert from Letterkenny IT in Civil engineering. that is by the by and not relevant to the discussion.

MadsL

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

Lol I think not mate. I'd make further comment only I'd probably get myself or boards.ie in trouble.

I will say that boxing is no school for holiness. It's a training ground for anger and violence and the domination of others. When women box, it's an even greater perversion than it is for men and even more degrading for women.

Perversion? You have some strange ideas. Any scriptural basis for calling boxing a perversion?

Sonics2k

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

Son, I am a trained scientist. Not that that has anything to do with it. I have a sneaking suspicion that you are a re-reg, but again, that is by the by and not relevant to the discussion.

You're obviously not if you don't know what creatine is. Please go educate yourself.

Try here

And speaking of re-regs, aren't you one?
The same one who was complaining about women getting jobs and 'stealing' them from men?

Snappy Smurf

MadsL wrote: »

Perversion? You have some strange ideas. Any scriptural basis for calling boxing a perversion?

It's a perversion of the Golden Rule. It incites a spirit of violence and revenge in those who participate in it, and in those who watch it.

Snappy Smurf

Sonics2k wrote: »

You're obviously not if you don't know what creatine is. Please go educate yourself.

Try here

And speaking of re-regs, aren't you one?
The same one who was complaining about women getting jobs and 'stealing' them from men?

Hardly. They are both separate substances. And yes, I do know what they are. :rolleyes:

Cork24

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

georgieporgy wrote: »

It's a nice change from the usual topics. Peace not War might even appeal to our friends on the alternative forum.
The Olympic Spirit brings out the best in man in many ways. In the modern era we spend too much time working and not enough time interacting socially. The games are an opportunity to pause and look at life from a different angle.

I remember as a young teen being very impressed with the gymnastic events and made a point of getting fit and trying to copy my heroes. I ended up in a sedentary job but thanks to the 2 week Olympic influence I've managed to stay reasonably fit ever since (45 yrs later).
Christianity isn't confined to cerebral activities. The epic struggle against yourself (laziness) to excel and "be perfect" physically can't be a bad thing. strong body sound mind etc.
This is interesting:
http://dawneden.blogspot.ca/2012/07/the-pope-who-helped-save-olympics-st.html

That's interesting, but I don't completely agree with Pope Pius.

I think there is a difference between the sports. Not all of them are equally competitive and not all of them require the same kinds of strength or the same immodest costumes.

In any case, I don't think the Lord would be very impressed with the immodest costumes and the shameless strutting about in nothing but underpants.

At the end of the day, at the end of life, we won't be asked about our six packs or the number of medals we won, but on how we loved God and our neighbour as ourself. Is the sporting field a good formation ground for holiness, for virtue? Or is it a hotbed of pride, lust, and aggression?

Wtf are u talking about what kind of crack are u being taken? Pride yeah ppl should their pride training every day for 8 hours and to finally show the world how hard they want it how bad they trained blood sweet an tears.. And who do they thank ? They thank GOD for giving them their ability!!!

I'm not a Christian, I think the games are the only thing on this earth that brings nations together to share in this peaceful games but nut jobs like u would have to see the evil side of things

dvpower

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

It's a perversion of the Golden Rule. It incites a spirit of violence and revenge in those who participate in it, and in those who watch it.

Your contributions to this thread must also be a perversion of the Golden Rule so.

Snappy Smurf

Cork24 wrote: »

Wtf are u talking about what kind of crack are u being taken? Pride yeah ppl should their pride training every day for 8 hours and to finally show the world how hard they want it how bad they trained blood sweet an tears.. And who do they thank ? They thank GOD for giving them their ability!!!

I'm not a Christian, I think the games are the only thing on this earth that brings nations together to share in this peaceful games but nut jobs like u would have to see the evil side of things

Well what do you think God thinks about that? You die and you tell God that you spent 8 hours every day on YOURSELF. God will say, ''Sure. But that means nothing to me.'' Then He shows you all the good you didn't do and all the virtues you didn't develop. I'm talking about real virtue. Holiness. Sanctity. So when the muscles fade and life on earth ends, what foundation has been laid? What good works have been done for God and others?

skooterblue2

Neilos wrote: »

Hands up who would love to see snappy smurf stand in front of Katie Taylor and tell her men are the stronger sex/ women shouldn't be fighters.

I want Snappy Smurf to go two rounds by 3 minutes. One with my sister ex A&E ex psych nurse now chemo, ex civil defense, licensed shotgun gun holder.

The other is with my Exgf, Guard, Redbelt TaekwonDo, just completed her driving course, 2 degrees and one dip in Forensics.

Both are classy educated ladies and easy on the eyes (as one of them shares my DNA). Both have very physical jobs. It would take a Phd in molecular science to put you back together after the pair of them had been through with you.

Sonics2k

Hey Phil and PDN,

Remember we had a discussion recently on those different kinds of Christians, and why it can be quite annoying when they say things like 'As a Christian I believe...'.

Yeah... this is one of those examples.

skooterblue2

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

Women ought to be nurturers not fighters. It saddens me to see women playing men's sports. A woman must strip herself of her femininity in order to compete in men's sports. Hence all the courseness of female participants in the likes of Gaelic football.

Damn you lady killer. You must be a hit with all the girls!!!

Snappy Smurf

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I want Snappy Smurf to go two rounds by 3 minutes. One with my sister ex A&E ex psych nurse now chemo, ex civil defense, licensed shotgun gun holder.

The other is with my Exgf, Guard, Redbelt TaekwonDo, just completed her driving course, 2 degrees and one dip in Forensics.

Both are classy educated ladies and easy on the eyes (as one of them shares my DNA). Both have very physical jobs. It would take a Phd in molecular science to put you back together after the pair of them had been through with you.

So she's got a shotgun holder. Is that like a metal cabinet bolted to the wall or what? Boy, I'm impressed.

Yeah, real nice girls I'll bet. :rolleyes:

Corkfeen

Snappy Smurf wrote: »

Cork24 wrote: »

Wtf are u talking about what kind of crack are u being taken? Pride yeah ppl should their pride training every day for 8 hours and to finally show the world how hard they want it how bad they trained blood sweet an tears.. And who do they thank ? They thank GOD for giving them their ability!!!

I'm not a Christian, I think the games are the only thing on this earth that brings nations together to share in this peaceful games but nut jobs like u would have to see the evil side of things

Well what do you think God thinks about that? You die and you tell God that you spent 8 hours every day on YOURSELF. God will say, ''Sure. But that means nothing to me.'' Then He shows you all the good you didn't do and all the virtues you didn't develop. I'm talking about real virtue. Holiness. Sanctity. So when the muscles fade and life on earth ends, what foundation has been laid? What good works have been done for God and others?

Not that it matters but many Olympians end up with jobs that are unrelated to the games. But the ambition results in them being highly successful in life and beneficial to society outside of sport. Bannister is a good example.
www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bannister
They are also highly inspirational to many which is another positive outcome. You seem to be obsessed with finding faults in everything. I'm assuming you also hate literature, cinema, music and art if they don't abide by your criteria. Plus women that live their lives ....