Charging exhibiters.

aujopimur

I went to Roberts Cove Vintage Show in Cork today, when I handed in my entry form the lady in the office produced a program, a plaque, a tea voucher and a bucket into which she asked me to donate €10.
I declined her request and told her that bringing a car to exhibit was my contribution, she then reduced her request to €5, I declined again, whereupon she withdrew the offer of the tea etc..
I have no interest in plaques and prorams and the like, surely the least these clubs can do is thank you for exhibiting give a cup of tea and a sambo.

Jammy Donut

Errrm how often do you go to a show?


All the road runs I'v went to ask for €20 to cover a cup of tea/plaque etc...
Stationary are normally €10 to cover the same.

101sean

I totally disagree with charging to exhibit and we don't at our show, there's a bucket for voluntary donations if you are so minded. Without exhibitors there would be no show.

When it comes to commercially or council run military shows I won't go unless I get fuel money, even a token €20 is good, it typically costs me €100-120 in fuel to attend a big show so there's no way I'm ever paying to attend.

aujopimur

Jammy Donut wrote: »

Errrm how often do you go to a show?


All the road runs I'v went to ask for €20 to cover a cup of tea/plaque etc...
Stationary are normally €10 to cover the same.

I go to a show every w/e, subject to weather and availability.
It costs enough to keep a classic on the road, people think they can squeese an extra few euro out of the exhibitors.
They seem to forget no exhibits no show.

WDB123

I agree there should be no charge and if you want a plaque put a price on it,most plaques are rubbish, Limerick show comes to mind!
no cars no show

hi5

I went to Inistoige today, free in, a free cup of tea,sandwiches and bun and a free plaque on the way out, I would have donated a fiver if there was a bucket,but there wasn't.

shawnee

WDB123 wrote: »

I agree there should be no charge and if you want a plaque put a price on it,most plaques are rubbish, Limerick show comes to mind!
no cars no show

Do not have a problem contributing a fiver or so to a show... provided the proceeds are going to charity or similar.... but I don't agree with clubs gathering money through these shows...

corktina

shawnee wrote: »

Do not have a problem contributing a fiver or so to a show... provided the proceeds are going to charity or similar.... but I don't agree with clubs gathering money through these shows...

I paid €20 to Carole Nash to get into Mondello fro the Cortina 50th Birthday. I bet that didnt go to charity and it cost me over €80 in petrol to get there! ROBBERY

aujopimur

There was probably a lot more on offer in Mondello than you will find in a boggy field in the middle of nowhere.

swarlb

corktina wrote: »

I paid €20 to Carole Nash to get into Mondello fro the Cortina 50th Birthday. I bet that didnt go to charity and it cost me over €80 in petrol to get there! ROBBERY

What exactly did you want for your 20 Euro ? Do you expect Mondello Park or anyone for that matter, to lay on a venue, provide staff to run it, along with all the organisation that preceeded it...to do it for free, simply because you didn't want to pay.
Why didn't you leave when asked for the fee, nobody forced you to put fuel in your car, drive there, and pay in. Seems a stupid thing to do, pay for something then complain afterwards you were 'robbed'
The upcoming Phoenix Park races are free, and some car clubs organise displays....betcha you wont be there !

shagman

When are the phoenix park races ?

alastair

shagman wrote: »

When are the phoenix park races ?

Weekend after next - http://www.phoenixparkmotorraces.ie/the-cars.html

unfit2006

I think they may be on the 18th/19th August.

In relation to charging exhibitors, there may be some case for charging into a show such as Mondello due to the obvious costs associated with such a venue, but I find it very difficult to justify registration fees or entry fees to classic car shows held in fields/carparks etc.

Incidentally, how much is the entry into Mondello on a typical Sunday to view the motor racing championship rounds ?

shawnee

aujopimur wrote: »

There was probably a lot more on offer in Mondello than you will find in a boggy field in the middle of nowhere.

And I am sure there was a substantial cost in renting the venue for the day

WDB123

I think what people are getting at is if you hold a classic show.people who attend without a car should pay to see the cars,
like when people play music in a pub they dont pay in,
hurl a match, etc etc

corktina

swarlb wrote: »

What exactly did you want for your 20 Euro ? Do you expect Mondello Park or anyone for that matter, to lay on a venue, provide staff to run it, along with all the organisation that preceeded it...to do it for free, simply because you didn't want to pay.
Why didn't you leave when asked for the fee, nobody forced you to put fuel in your car, drive there, and pay in. Seems a stupid thing to do, pay for something then complain afterwards you were 'robbed'
The upcoming Phoenix Park races are free, and some car clubs organise displays....betcha you wont be there !

I expected to take my exhibit in fro free seeing as they would have no show without exhibits.I didnt mind paying for my passenger(s), but charging me was mean minded in the extreme.I didnt pay Mondello, I paid Carole Nash It was advertised imploring Cortina Owners to bring their cars along, with no mention of a charge btw

swarlb

LIGHTNING wrote: »

The entry fee for competitors to the Phoenix park is 400e this year that is why I am not racing in it. As for Mondello they have costs in running these events they have to have a number of people in to run the event (like me). That said they even charge me into race days and I work at the track :pac:

The entry fee for the public is free, which is probably why the entry fee for competitors is so expensive. The sprint event entry is 200 Euro as far as I know.
I can understand why you are not entering, but less entries will result in 2 things,a possible cancellation of the event, or increased fees for competitors.
Mondello is a business, would you work at Mondello for free, or take a cut in wages, in return for free races.....I wouldn't.
My point is that there was a choice, you chose not to enter the Park races, so you can hardly complain about being charged an high entry fee. The same goes for Mondello, you dont have to pay in, so calling is 'robbery' is a bit unfair.
Normal entry to Mondello races is 10 or 15 Euro I think, and kids are usually free.

WDB123

well i wouldnt pay for mondello or any other event and if people didnt bring classic cars to fee paying shows, the shows wouldnt exist,

kinda like a concert with no band,the cars are the attraction and why do we have to have them in these sh1t fields,after the massey brigade have been in,getting bogged to the axles

all classic car events should be held on tarmac,plenty of small towns to hold them???

trevorbrady

WDB123 wrote: »

all classic car events should be held on tarmac,plenty of small towns to hold them???

I agree, I don't know what the fascination with fields is. Grand for tractor shows, tractors belong in fields but cars don't.

However, if it HAS to be in a field, a mown sports pitch is the next best thing. The organisers of the Durrow show should be ashamed to expect people to bring their classic cars to be presented in a field literally full of ****e. Why would you clean and polish your car and then drive it into a field over cow pats? I always like the Limerick show near the university. A venue much more befitting classic cars. I was at a VW/VAG brand show in Belfast back in March called Dubshed. It was very well laid out and run: about one third of all the cars displayed were actually indoors at the Kings Hall. The rest were outdoors on hard standing. Again, much more befitting cars rather than agri machinery.

I'll be interested to see how the Laois Shopping Centre show goes at the end of October. This could be the future of classic car shows in our increasingly wet country...

corktina

swarlb wrote: »

The entry fee for the public is free, which is probably why the entry fee for competitors is so expensive. The sprint event entry is 200 Euro as far as I know.
I can understand why you are not entering, but less entries will result in 2 things,a possible cancellation of the event, or increased fees for competitors.
Mondello is a business, would you work at Mondello for free, or take a cut in wages, in return for free races.....I wouldn't.
My point is that there was a choice, you chose not to enter the Park races, so you can hardly complain about being charged an high entry fee. The same goes for Mondello, you dont have to pay in, so calling is 'robbery' is a bit unfair.
Normal entry to Mondello races is 10 or 15 Euro I think, and kids are usually free.

this wasn't a race day, just to make it clear. It was a Classic car show.

corktina

trevorbrady wrote: »

I agree, I don't know what the fascination with fields is. Grand for tractor shows, tractors belong in fields but cars don't.

However, if it HAS to be in a field, a mown sports pitch is the next best thing. The organisers of the Durrow show should be ashamed to expect people to bring their classic cars to be presented in a field literally full of ****e. Why would you clean and polish your car and then drive it into a field over cow pats? I always like the Limerick show near the university. A venue much more befitting classic cars. I was at a VW/VAG brand show in Belfast back in March called Dubshed. It was very well laid out and run: about one third of all the cars displayed were actually indoors at the Kings Hall. The rest were outdoors on hard standing. Again, much more befitting cars rather than agri machinery.

I'll be interested to see how the Laois Shopping Centre show goes at the end of October. This could be the future of classic car shows in our increasingly wet country...

im in total agreement here, especially the Tarmac bit. I avoid field shows wherever possible

the_syco

swarlb wrote: »

What exactly did you want for your 20 Euro ? Do you expect Mondello Park or anyone for that matter, to lay on a venue, provide staff to run it, along with all the organisation that preceeded it...to do it for free, simply because you didn't want to pay.

You pay the band to play in your venue, to get people into your venue, to spend in your venue.
Sometimes you charge the people coming in to see the band.

You, however, do not charge the band to play for the people, which is what corktina seems to have a problem with.

Victor

IS there a point that the people mostly likely to want to see classic cars at a show are classic car owners?

tonyvw

RE ROBERTS COVE
MY PROPLEM WAS BEEN LEFT OUTSIDE THE MAIN AREANA IN A CAR PARKING AREA THAT INCLUCED NON VINTAGE/CLASSIC CARS I HAD NO PROPLEM WITH PAYING THE €5/€10 ALL FOR A GOOD CAUSE I WONT GO AGAIN IF I AM TO PARK OUT SIDE THE MAIN AREANA THIS TELLS ME THAT THEY HAVE NO INTEREST IN CLASSIC/VINTAGE CARS

WDB123

is the show in Laois in the Rathdowney center?????

trevorbrady

WDB123 wrote: »

is the show in Laois in the Rathdowney center?????

Laois shopping centre, portlaoise

swarlb

corktina wrote: »

this wasn't a race day, just to make it clear. It was a Classic car show.

Are you sure you were at Mondello that day, I was, in a racecar, on the track, in a race, and I paid for the privilage, and a lot more than 20 Euro. It may have been a 'demonstration' event, but a race non the less. Mondello Classic Car Live was started by a good friend of mine, now sadly deceased. I think he would have been upset to hear that his event has been deemed a 'robbery'
I also understand that part of the entry fee gets you to drive your car on the track. Maybe doesn't mean a lot to you, but does to some people.
I've been to many, many classic events across the UK, which usually involved paying in. Goodwood, the Silverstone Classic being two events that spring to mind.
My point,is that you did not have to bring your car to the event, and calling it a 'robbery' is an insult to what is a decent attempt to showcase classic cars, and bikes, in a venue that also demonstrates the sporting aspect of older cars.
Where else are you going to see rare and valuable cars being raced in Ireland, or even rare and valuable cars being driven.
The efforts of those involved should be applauded, rather than the usual Irish pre-occupation of getting things for nothing, and even then having a gripe.
Yes, any classic car event would be nothing without the exhibits, but there is a lot more to running a show, any show, than just exhibits.As for the band thing, I played in bands back in the 70's, and we quite often payed venue owners to let us play. Granted we could re-coup money by charging at the door, but that also depended on anyone turning up. The vast majority of bands from that era had friends or family in the crowd.

swarlb

Victor wrote: »

IS there a point that the people mostly likely to want to see classic cars at a show are classic car owners?

Probably, but some people just want a days entertainment. For example I have no interest in boxing, and know little or nothing about it, yet I was glued to both radio ond TV over the past days. Simply because of the entertainment and feelgood factor. The basis of any event, is entertainment. And in this case I think Mondello, and all those concerned, are doing thier best.

WDB123

I also understand that part of the entry fee gets you to drive your car on the track. Maybe doesn't mean a lot to you, but does to some people.
I've been to many, many classic events across the UK, which usually involved paying in. Goodwood, the Silverstone Classic being two events that spring to mind Irish pre-occupation of getting things for nothing

Mondello is hardly Goodwood, or Silverstone and for your information I wouldnt mind paying for either, i travel to Essen pay in and still feel its good value,

I dont attend Mondello anymore, dont want something for nothing,but I expect value for money

okistag

Just a few points I would like to make.

1) Its for charity

2) The show needs insurance

3) Volinteers to run and organise it, people do all this work for free... many months of work

4) At most shows besides 1 or 2, 99% of the people walking around are the exhibitors.

5) If we (the people with cars on display) dont pay, well I think there will be far less shows to attend as it just would not be worth while..

6) Yes it can become expensive if you want to support all the shows hence I narrow it down to certain ones each year.

7) Remember these shows are for charity not commerical earner !! I would agree if it was a business for profit, like the motor show RDS, people who display for no commerical intentions should not pay at these shows.. However those who do earn a profit from it should from sales etc.
I remember a club I belong to did the RDS show twice, the first time it was free and the 2nd they wanted us to pay for our area but we were only a draw card and we refused and did not attend the following one.

8) 10 euro or 20 is not allot especially when it goes to a charity.. and normally a good fun day of walking around with like minded people and enables us to enjoy our hobby..

9) I know of two shows, where only 15% of the show were non exhibitors walking around.....


Anyhow I may well be shot for saying this but it is may feeling and thoughts on this topic.. If I have repeated anything from previous posts sorry only read the first page and then replied.

corktina

yeah I got to drive on the track.... at 20mph.

The event was advertised on Donedeal as the 50th Birthday of the Cortina and that's what I went for, no mention was made of a fee, just an invitation to attend,.

Yeah, I felt robbed, the false advertising being the prime reason for this

aujopimur

You can have a club stand at the NEC in Birmingham FOC, if you don't have club insurance it's provided at a small cost.
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WDB123

aujopimur wrote: »

You can have a club stand at the NEC in Birmingham FOC, if you don't have club insurance it's provided at a small cost.
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I know for the footman james show Ly mercedes club paid a fortune

aujopimur

I went to the classic/vintage day at the GAA club In Kerry Pike Co Cork last Sunday as an exhititor, I declined to pay the €15 contribution at the gate. About 10 mins after parking, I was summoned to my car and asked by what I can only describe as a rude arrogant bully on a power trip, who refused to enter into any discussion on the matter, to remove my car from the show as I had refused to make the €15 donation.
I am still of the opinion that these organisers are killing the goose that laid the golden egg, no exhibitors no show.

corktina

was he a Kerry Pikey?

joec26

I for one thinks the day of the "field day" is coming to an end. Even Terenure, which is an excellent, well run show was a bit if a shambles this year. The traffic entering the show via Termpleogue village is always a pain (I know, I know; arrive 2 hours early and you'll avoid the traffic) and the field was muddy due to the rotten weather we had this "Summer". I hate the rubbish that is given out in the name of finishers awards.....I don't take them, don't want them and bin them if I do get one. I know that some people would give their hind teeth for these dust catchers, but, not for me thanks. I personally wouldnt lower myself or my cars to pay to exhibit them. How dare these guys! And have we no back bone whatsoever, not to stand up to them? Just like the poster who was greeted by an ignorant bozo at the Kerry show, we too have had such encounters. Anyway, we enjoy our old cars by aking them on well organised rallies, or just on impromptu runs with like minded friends. I think we should have more "loosely organised" meet-ups and runs for enthusiasts. No fees, no chains of office, no bull!

aujopimur

I certainly agree with the idea of casual meets/runs, as against the charging to exhibit your car in a muddy field for the sake of some useless plaque.

corktina

not going to be a problem much longer, my last classic should sell this weekend.

hi5

corktina wrote: »

not going to be a problem much longer, my last classic should sell this weekend.

So are you getting out of the whole classic scene, I couldn't do that I'm addicted?:)

corktina

hi5 wrote: »

So are you getting out of the whole classic scene, I couldn't do that I'm addicted?:)

yep looks that way...not turned a wheel since June when I went to the Uk and hardly went anywhere before that either. I've got a bit disillusioned by some of the shows I have been at; Limerick Racecourse being a memorable one, when they didn't want to let my 1990 Sierra in (despite there being much newer cars already in there) and wanted me to pay to go in the car park "it is for charity you know" and me having driven all the way from Cork to support it!

Currently enjoying my Focus ST170, which isn't a Classic yet, but I hope it will be one day.

x19ed

corktina wrote: »

I expected to take my exhibit in fro free seeing as they would have no show without exhibits.I didnt mind paying for my passenger(s), but charging me was mean minded in the extreme.I didnt pay Mondello, I paid Carole Nash It was advertised imploring Cortina Owners to bring their cars along, with no mention of a charge btw

If you had arrived in a cortina, you should have gottin in free as it was the cortina 50th... We attended with 26 Fiat X1/9's, and none of of our members payed

corktina

x19ed wrote: »

If you had arrived in a cortina, you should have gottin in free as it was the cortina 50th... We attended with 26 Fiat X1/9's, and none of of our members payed

I did come in a Cortina and got ripped off basically, and wont be using Carole Nash in the future. yes, maybe not their fault but it was their name on the hi viz vest that charged me, and them taking the hit. Great publicity wasn't it!

tonyvw

JUST A QUICK NOTE

CLONMEL IS FREE TO VINTAGE

WDB123

It doesnt belong at a vintage show its not VINTAGE (unless you want to display it ).otherwise you would have to let in everyone who thought their car was exempt (stand at the gate at one of these shows and here the BS that some people come up with),
30yr old end of no exception thats what i was told at a regional event

Or where would you draw the line???

Just a question what do you class as vintage Tony for youre show

corktina

Not sure what car you are talking about, but as you are from Tipp I'll assume you are referring to my 1990 Sierra. For you info, there were cars in that show HALF the age of mine and they had no trouble AND I got an apology from the Organisers for the hastle.

WDB123

But as you are from Cork I can understand why you are not happy,

corktina

that wasn't meant to be an insult! The show I referred to was in Tipp....

swarlb

WDB123 wrote: »

It doesnt belong at a vintage show its not VINTAGE (unless you want to display it ).otherwise you would have to let in everyone who thought their car was exempt (stand at the gate at one of these shows and here the BS that some people come up with),
30yr old end of no exception thats what i was told at a regional event

Or where would you draw the line???

Just a question what do you class as vintage Tony for youre show

Strictly speaking a 'Vintage' car (or vehicle) is one built between 1919 and 1930. And a 'Post Vintage' is between 1931 and 1945.
A 'Classic' is I suppose whatever one thinks a classic is.....

WDB123

Dont no why you thanked him,

you thought a sierra was vintage

swarlb, thanks for the information,I was talking in general terms and what is deemed a classic by tax classification (which i imagine you knew)

swarlb

WDB123 wrote: »

Dont no why you thanked him,

you thought a sierra was vintage

swarlb, thanks for the information,I was talking in general terms and what is deemed a classic by tax classification (which i imagine you knew)

Ahh, I know that. While I like most cars, my interest is in stuff from the 50's and also pre war. So when people tell me they know of a 'vintage' car for sale, I'm usually disappointed....

corktina

WDB123 wrote: »

Dont no why you thanked him,

you thought a sierra was vintage

swarlb, thanks for the information,I was talking in general terms and what is deemed a classic by tax classification (which i imagine you knew)

yes, so did Axa Insurance who had it Insured as such and I repeat there were many cars half the age of mine already in the show.