Prostitution as an Alternative 2

Wonder83

I posted here asking advise about taking up work as an escort/hooker whatever word you prefer, thread was closed early as it was more negative responses.

I am writing again to say women should not be criminalized for this. It's just beyond me how people can go out and screw around but when money changes hands you are criminalized. No matter the circumstances, if we live in a utopia this will always be around. So why not operate in a safer environment where the government gets tax off women for laying on their back. I think the hourly rate should be higher, just saying....

It was my first night tonight and for 3.5 hours work I made 500 - 30% = 350. (Two men).

Not easy work or easy money. I won't go into any graphic details, I will spare you that nor will I go into self pity mode.
Before you write again and say it's the easy or lazy way out of a situation. Pure and utter crap.

Thanks to the guy who worked as security and your advice, plus others who responded in pm. Good to know we have those in society who are non-judgmental and have empathy (does not mean without morals or principles)

Logical_Bear

If I was being cynical I'd say you are touting for business.....waiting for PM's of 'support'.....

Wonder83

Logical Bear, I don't think many women use those kind of services:). I don't need to tout for business on Boards.ie. Just a sounding board.

You are cynical.

Wonder83

I'm sure the moderator can see my pm's and I'd be kicked straight out.

Logical_Bear

Wonder83 wrote: »

I'm sure the moderator can see my pm's and I'd be kicked straight out.

no PM's are private

Logical_Bear

Wonder83 wrote: »

You are cynical.

and Yes I am:D.

Also its not a ladies only forum.Men pop in here too.

Wonder83

Well I posted on "The Ladies Lounge" for a reason, suppose to be women's opinions. The pm's were female and even if they were not it's none of your business.

Wonder83

Cynical and sounds like a misogynistic attitude too.

Logical_Bear

Wonder83 wrote: »

The pm's were female

as they are private i'll have to take your word on it.

Also you'd make more money selling coke(or as you put it,the hourly rate is a bit better:D).Down side the legal penalty's are a bit heavier.

Wonder83

Logical_Bear wrote: »

as they are private i'll have to take your word on it.

Also you'd make more money selling coke(or as you put it,the hourly rate is a bit better:D).Down side the legal penalty's are a bit heavier.

I don't drink, smoke or do drugs, in fact I don't know any drug dealers. I'm actually an introverted nerd who spends most weekends at home:) but hey starting to sell a commodity that seems to be wanted (I'm an attractive nerd too). I don't have time or the inclination to swap insults or be juvenile. Don't make assumptions. Have a good night!.

Logical_Bear

Wonder83 wrote: »

Cynical and sounds like a misogynistic attitude too.

not at all,have no objections to people selling/paying for sex whether they are male or female.

I love women too but again as a cynic your opening post saying you have worked this evening and recieved PM's of 'support'(nod nod wink wink) would lead me, cynically, to think you are touting.

If you wanted to discuss the wrongs/rights of prostitution you wouldnt need to mention you were at it yourself.

If you did want to discuss it personaly, the personal issues forum would be better for it

Logical_Bear

Wonder83 wrote: »

I don't drink, smoke or do drugs

never said you did..just advised you would make more money selling coke than your body.

Cant see where I insulted you or was being juvenile....

Wonder83

It was a follow on from a thread I had posted. the moderator said to post if I wanted to share the experience so I did. Why would anyone want to tout for business here?. There are other places for that. Here is discussion. I'm new to boards.ie Ladies Lounge sounded fine.

Logical_Bear

Wonder83 wrote: »

It was a follow on from a thread I had posted. the moderator said to post if I wanted to share the experience so I did. Why would anyone want to tout for business here?. There are other places for that. Here is discussion. I'm new to boards.ie Ladies Lounge sounded fine.

the moderator said to PM her if you wanted the thread re-opened,so I possibly jumped the gun when you started this thread.

And yes there are other places that you can post for 'that' but you have to pay for them

Wonder83

There are plenty of places you don't have to pay actually. I don't arrange that side of things.

marienbad

Logical_Bear wrote: »

never said you did..just advised you would make more money selling coke than your body.

Cant see where I insulted you or was being juvenile....

well the tone of your post implied or could be construed as saying you thought she was little better than a drug dealer .

You may not agree with that interpretation but that was what I took from it. After all if you had to pick an analogy why pick that particular one?

Logical_Bear

marienbad wrote: »

well the tone of your post implied or could be construed as saying you thought she was little better than a drug dealer .

You may not agree with that interpretation but that was what I took from it. After all if you had to pick an analogy why pick that particular one?

wasnt picking an analogy.. I was advising her that she could make more money by selling coke than selling sex.She's stuck for money....

well the tone of your post implied or could be construed as saying you thought she was little better than a drug dealer

Thats how you read it

Wonder83

Is selling drugs better than selling your body?.

Wibbs

This discussion gets back on track, with the minimum of fuss or this one gets locked too. Thanks.

PS as stated before PM's are most certainly private. Nobody can see them, including admins of this site(unless you report one). Even the techie guys can't. They could if they tried, but it would involve quite a bit of digging. Privacy is taken very seriously on Boards.

Logical_Bear

Wonder83 wrote: »

Is selling drugs better than selling your body?.

I'm not passing judgement on either and i didnt in any of my posts but in reply to your question ,money wise you'd make more money selling dope,morally and from society's POV I'm not sure.

I think being labeled a drug dealer would have a bigger social stigma but thats just my opinion.If you'd started your original thread saying you were gonna start peddling dope I dont think you'd be getting any PM's of 'support' or having people(mod's included) telling you to be safe

panda100

Wonder83 wrote: »

So why not operate in a safer environment where the government gets tax off women for laying on their back. I think the hourly rate should be higher, just saying....

Ok, this commment makes me highly,highly doubt your legitimacy.Prostitutes don't lie on their backs all day?You have to peform acts, and have acts peformed on you, of the customers choosing.

Also the hourly rate will get lower and lower not higher.Their is always young women from impoverished countries willing to do much more, for much less, in the escort buissness in ireland. It is a terrible,awful 'industry' that expolits women, and I think you have come to the wrong forum If you're looking for a positive reaction to your new job.

Wibbs

Wonder83 wrote:

Is selling drugs better than selling your body?

We could go around the block discussing the morality of both, but at least with drug dealing the emotional damage to the seller is minimal by comparison unless they're using themselves(and any dealer with cop on limits that stuff). Plus if you stopped, it's not going to colour your relationships to society around you for the rest of your days to nearly the same degree. In the case of prostitution the victim is the seller, rather than the consumer(I don't buy the sex trade consumer as victim too BS either).

Logical_Bear wrote: »

I'm not passing judgement on either and i didnt in any of my posts but in reply to your question ,money wise you'd make more money selling dope,morally and from society's POV I'm not sure.

Legally there would be a difference too. Prostitution itself isn't illegal in Ireland, pimping and soliciting it is. Sell dope = gaol time, sell body = unlikely.

panda100 wrote:

I think you have come to the wrong forum If you're looking for a positive reaction to your new job.

It could also be argued that this is the perfect forum to discuss the many good reasons why of that reaction, rather than censor all discussion of it.

Einhard

I'm a man, and I could never pay for sex. It's not so much a moral hangup, as a personal one. I'm not a believer in the notion that sex is only for people in close, loving relations, but I do think it's an intimate act, and would need it to be with someone who was partaking in it for its own sake, rather than as some trasaction. I imagine it would be quite clinical and cold, and I don't think I'd feel too great in myself afterwards. Furthermore, while the majority of prostitutes might choose the the work independently, there are a number who are forced into it, and indeed smuggled into the country to be exploited by criminal gangs. The idea that I could, however unconsciously, be complicit in that type of exploitation would preclude me from paying for sex in this country, or any jurisdiction where the act is illegal and unregulated.

However, I think it's absolutely incredible that prostitution is illegal. In an increasingly secular society, and in an era where divorce rights and civil partnerships have been granted, where full marriage equality is on the horizon, and where abortion and euthanasia and other once taboo moral issues are discussed openly and without recrimination, the idea that the state should interfere in the sexual relations of willing actors is positively anachronistic. There is little inherent danger in the sexual act itself, so there is no real public health issue behind the prohibition.

Instead, the prohibition is the result of an unlikely alliance of the most paternalistic and maternalistic groups in society. In the former camp, we have the arch moralists, religious conservatives who think that any sex outside of the marriage bed is bad, that sex between strangers is wicked, and that sex for money is diabolical. Of course, much as they dress their opposition to gay marriage rights as concern for children, they drape their opposition to legalised prostitution as grounded in the welfare of women. When it is nothing of the sort.

The second pillar of this unlikely coalition are those groups who purport to lend a voice to women, when what they instead seem to be doing is demanding that women all speak with the one voice. Thus, women are exploited in the sexual act. It doesn't matter, it seems, that many people would tend to see the man as the "victim" in a situation where he is lead, for whatever reason, to pay for sex. It doesn't matter to them that some people might even see such an act as empowering to women. Indeed, they don;t even acknowledge such views. Prostitution is bad because it involves the exploitation of women, not matter how each individual sitation might differ from that facile assumption.

What's shocking, to my mind, is that these groups claim to stand for women, yet they stand merely for their own ideology, and don't care if they put women at risk by doing so. Prostitution will never, ever be eliminated. It has been integral to every society since the dawn of man, and will continue to do so. It involves the coming together of the most natural of acts- sex- with one of the most common- the exchange of money or goods. It will never be stamped out.

It can either be driven underground through prhibition, or legalised, opened up to scrutiny, and regulated. The former is the situation that pertains at the moment- women are forced to live in the shadows, plying their trade in dangerous locations, without any form of supportive framework to protect them. The walk the streets or canals, share cars with absolute strangers, or in the worst cases, are forced against their will into a trade whose very opacity conspires in their subjugation. And in their unwillingness to countenance the lifting of restrictions on prostitution, the coalition above conspire in the mistreatement of women in this manner.

Legalistion and regulation is not a panacea. Opponents will point this out immediately and seek to argue that, because a soltuion to a problem isn;t perfect, it should be cast entirely aside. Yet the regulation of prescription drugs is not perfect, yet nobody would argue that it is not necessary, or a good thing. Legalisation and regulation would open up the trade. Most of the women would work in clean, safe environments, with recourse to the aparatus of the state- the Garda, industrial relations institutions etc. They would no longer necessarily live in fear of their clients or of the state itself. Indeed, they would contribute to that state through taxes, and perhaps in doing so, and in operating in an open manner, might work some change in their societal status. As for men, well the lonely, sex deprived male who has no external outlet for his desires would have the option of some form of fullfilment, without the sceptre of life ruining consequences hanging over him. And, of course, it's safer from a health position too.

Looked at logically, I don't think there's any rationale for continued prohibition. The problem however, is that those who wish to preserve the status quo are often beyong logic, and seek to further their own personal agendas and petty ideologies. They should no longer be allowed to force the agenda on this matter, and damage women and men in the process.

dearg lady

I have mixed opinions on prostitution. I'm intrigued by OP's post though, do you mind me asking about the setup? Do you go to the house/apartment for a set period of time? Are appointments pre-arranged? Do you have any choice in who you sleep with?
For the most part I see nothing wrong with it, even if you choose to do it for designer handbags or whatever. I don't see why someone has to hit rock bottom to be 'allowed' consider prostitution. If an individual chooses to do it, who am I to say it's wrong.

Vicar in a tutu

Let he without sin cast the first stone and all that, So I'm not judging, just curious though,

Not easy work or easy money. I won't go into any graphic details, I will spare you that nor will I go into self pity mode.
Before you write again and say it's the easy or lazy way out of a situation. Pure and utter crap

Does it not scare you or worry you?, I'm sure you can deal with it now, but do you really want to have a job that your ashamed of? Or one that is potentially dangerous? Are you planning on doing this for a while?, I was reading a book recently.. Lynne I think it was called, about a lady that went into prostitution, By no means was she stupid, but it seemed that all her problems seemed to get worse when she started selling her body, Attacks etc.

as I said, no judgement, just really curious as to know what mindset your going into this with?

barry181091

How could you ever form a meaningful relationship again with a man ? I would assume there are few men that would be ok with that sort of past!

Wonder83

You are right it's not lying on your back it is acts, just term of use and me making light of a situation guess a coping mechanism. I'm still of the opinion it should be legalised wonder what levy the government would put on certain acts. I didn't like the way I had to find out. I read an advert on an escort website and replied to the girl posting and asked her advise, in fact I replied to several women until I got a response. I didn't want to stand on a street corner being I didn't know where to stand..

As for pm's it wouldn't concern me if anyone could read it, nothing to hide and the messages of support were more "I'm sorry you feel you have to do it be safe". You should think a bit more highly of boards.ie posters. Cannot imagine anyone would look for business here or proposition me. I do have some morals you know.

I'm not looking for support or a positive reaction to say yeah fair play to you, I suppose to see peoples reactions I was going to tell a couple of my close friends what I was doing and where I was doing it just to have the sense of security and feeling safer but from reactions here I don't think I will. It's one thing to be judged by strangers and I'm fine with that everyone is entitled to their opinion but people you care about I'm not so sure I could handle that right now.

The rate might get lower but I didn't organise the price or punter. I am actually originally from Georgia but living here 15 years since the age of 9, have an Irish accent and can be taken for Irish but I don't think I should put a lower price on myself just because I am from Georgia. My estimation is if continued at that rate I'll have to only do this another 5-7 times before I have enough for a stairlift for my Grandmother. I came to Ireland with her and she is 82 now, I don't have any family to reply on or to ask for help. She cannot get up the stairs anyone without assistance and down she uses her bum but is having accidents. I want her to have some dignity in her remaining years.

I have been to occupational health in the local clinic and applied for a grant for the strairlift but they only give you a proportion of it the rest you have to make up yourself and I just don't have the money. I know the difference between a need and a want. I feel this is a need. I'm not doing it with a light heart at all.

This may open the flood gates for those to tell me to go back to my own country now:D.

As for being told to sell drugs. I would never sell drugs to me that is harming someone, at least with selling my body I am just harming myself. I don't know anyone who takes drugs.

I don't plan on this as a career just a short term solution for something that is needed. I am still applying for jobs everyday. Legal ones.

Wonder83

dearg lady wrote: »

I have mixed opinions on prostitution. I'm intrigued by OP's post though, do you mind me asking about the setup? Do you go to the house/apartment for a set period of time? Are appointments pre-arranged? Do you have any choice in who you sleep with?
For the most part I see nothing wrong with it, even if you choose to do it for designer handbags or whatever. I don't see why someone has to hit rock bottom to be 'allowed' consider prostitution. If an individual chooses to do it, who am I to say it's wrong.

No the advert I replied to was a lady. There are three girls at any given time, we use her space it's an apartment but I will not say where, she sets up the clients and we give her 30% of what we earn. The girls who are there are not being forced into it which would be horrendous. Two I was working with last night one was English and the other from France.

As for the other question about forming a relationship. I don't know I haven't thought about it and it's not on my mind right now. I've only ever had one boyfriend and I'm 24 so it's not something I am concerned about right now. Logic probably says I will in the future but I don't want to think about it.

Daveysil15

Wibbs wrote: »

at least with drug dealing the emotional damage to the seller is minimal by comparison unless they're using themselves(and any dealer with cop on limits that stuff). Plus if you stopped, it's not going to colour your relationships to society around you for the rest of your days

Why would you assume everyone who sells sex needs to deal with emotional baggage? I'm not sure how it would colour their relationship to society either. Not all sex workers are victims.

Einhard wrote: »

I imagine it would be quite clinical and cold, and I don't think I'd feel too great in myself afterwards.

I'm sure plenty of people have felt this way after sex. Sex can still be unpleasant even when there's no transaction involved.

Wonder83

Wonder83 wrote: »

She cannot get up the stairs anyone without assistance and down she uses her bum but is having accidents. I want her to have some dignity in her remaining years.

I have been to occupational health in the local clinic and applied for a grant for the strairlift but they only give you a proportion of it the rest you have to make up yourself and I just don't have the money.

Presuming you make less than 30k a year as a household.
Your OT has misinformed you. The Mobility Aids Housing Grant covers 100% of the cost of an adaptations, up to a limit of 6k.
I would get on to your local Councillor if I was you.

I presume she uses the upstairs, because you don't have a downstairs toilet?
Maybe the OT could organise a commode for her while your waiting.

Princess Peach

The legalization of prostitution is a very complex subject. It has worked to an extent in some countries and been a disaster for the industry in others.

Legalizing all aspects of the sex industry is not beneficial to the women who work as prostitutes. Really it just benefits the pimps and the traffickers. The women are still at risk for rape and violence, and the laws have not done much to allow for prosecution of the men who do this. Countries that have done this have seen a boom in the industry, and an increase in trafficking and child prostitution. And it does nothing to affect the stigma of the industry either. I don't see how this type of system benefits the women, except for creating more demand. But the demand will not result in higher prices, just more workers.

In Sweden they made prostitution legal, but it is illegal to pimp or buy sex, and people caught buying sex are publicly identified. Sweden has seen a pretty big decline in the number of prostitutes in the decade since.

Wonder83, you say your reasons for wanting legalisation is for a safer environment and the ability to pay tax. How do you think it would make it safer? I don't have any experience of it, just stating what I know of the subject and reports that say it hasn't made it safer in countries it has happened!

Wonder83

It costs more than 6k for a stairlift for all adaptions its going to cost 11k apparently because the stairs goes in a curve it costs more. I got a wheelchair for her and a commode but she refuses to use the commode no matter how I try to reason with her.

I spoke to a local TD and SVP along with a couple of other organisations and no joy.

Wonder83

Princess Peach wrote: »

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Wonder83, you say your reasons for wanting legalisation is for a safer environment and the ability to pay tax. How do you think it would make it safer? I don't have any experience of it, just stating what I know of the subject and reports that say it hasn't made it safer in countries it has happened!

Those are not the only reasons, I don't plan on doing this for a long time. I don't believe women should be criminalised for selling their body, those that force women into it should get the full force of the law.

I am not aware of many studies so I cannot comment on what I don't know. Common sense says it would be better to legalise and put provisions for the safety of workers. If anything went wrong I'm not so sure I would seek help, if legalised at least there may not be any repercussions.

Princess Peach

Wonder83 wrote: »

Those are not the only reasons, I don't plan on doing this for a long time. I don't believe women should be criminalised for selling their body, those that force women into it should get the full force of the law.

I am not aware of many studies so I cannot comment on what I don't know. Common sense says it would be better to legalise and put provisions for the safety of workers. If anything went wrong I'm not so sure I would seek help, if legalised at least there may not be any repercussions.

What kind of provisions?

Daveysil15

Princess Peach wrote: »

In Sweden they made prostitution legal, but it is illegal to pimp or buy sex, and people caught buying sex are publicly identified. Sweden has seen a pretty big decline in the number of prostitutes in the decade since.

I don't think the Swedish government are giving us the full story. Recent Police stats show more, not less prostitution and trafficking.

See here: http://feministire.wordpress.com/2011/10/04/swedish-police-stats-show-more-not-less-prostitution-and-trafficking/

Princess Peach

Daveysil15 wrote: »

I don't think the Swedish government are giving us the full story. Recent Police stats show more, not less prostitution and trafficking.

See here: http://feministire.wordpress.com/2011/10/04/swedish-police-stats-show-more-not-less-prostitution-and-trafficking/

The studies I saw did get their data straight from the government!

I read before about Nevada, which tried to get rid of all the pimps, and only made prostitution legal in regulated brothels. It was just in a magazine, can't remember if they said it was working or not. Was good for the regular health checks of the workers anyway.

Wonder83

Princess Peach wrote: »

What kind of provisions?

Laws. Providing legislation that requires women to work in a clean, safe and controlled environment. If a woman is working for years in this industry and if it was taxable she could claim benefits and entitlements that she may otherwise not get. It's work whatever way you want to look at is. Because it's selling sex it doesn't mean you are getting anything from it apart from the transaction of money or if unsafe a disease.

I'm not an expert I haven't read many studies on prostitution just my personal opinion.

Wonder83

Wonder83 wrote: »

It costs more than 6k for a stairlift for all adaptions its going to cost 11k apparently because the stairs goes in a curve it costs more. I got a wheelchair for her and a commode but she refuses to use the commode no matter how I try to reason with her.

I spoke to a local TD and SVP along with a couple of other organisations and no joy.

I think you should look for other quotes.
Even a curved stairlift, shouldn't come in over 5k.
Maybe there are secondhand options available?

If you don't get any joy from a TD. Keep canvasing them and other representatives until they do something for you.

Would the council or community welfare officer organise a loan to help make up the difference?

RDM_83 again

I know this will be an unwelcome opinion but too me these two threads ring false this is stated as a man with no experience with the situation (and I'm not assuming that prostitutes always have a terrible experience).

However too me it sounds odd that a person that has only had experiences with one person previous to this (see previous thread) would not be more bothered about sleeping with two people for money in one night, and 2 the immediate focus on the legalization aspect in the second thread. There is other aspects in the writing that also lead me to believe this is the case (and isn't this subject notorious for having dubious shills on both sides of the argument)

Now I could be completely wrong about this in which case I hope you solve your financial situation and don't suffer any ill effects etc.

In relation to the legalization argument I just don;t know if its a good thing quiet apart from the trafficing and organised crime issues that occur even in countries where it is legalised

Wonder83

RDM_83 again wrote: »

I know this will be an unwelcome opinion but too me these two threads ring false this is stated as a man with no experience with the situation (and I'm not assuming that prostitutes always have a terrible experience).

However too me it sounds odd that a person that has only had experiences with one person previous to this (see previous thread) would not be more bothered about sleeping with two people for money in one night, and 2 the immediate focus on the legalization aspect in the second thread. There is other aspects in the writing that also lead me to believe this is the case (and isn't this subject notorious for having dubious shills on both sides of the argument)

Now I could be completely wrong about this in which case I hope you solve your financial situation and don't suffer any ill effects etc.

In relation to the legalization argument I just don;t know if its a good thing quiet apart from the trafficing and organised crime issues that occur even in countries where it is legalised

Where did I say I'm not bothered? of course I am bothered it wasn't a pleasant experience or something that I liked - should I have more than one partner? should everyone who decides to do this be promiscuous? you don't know the circumstances. I feel I have to not want to. I would rather work in McDonalds but I didn't get a job there either.

Others brought up legislation and I think I am entitled to an opinion if anything more so, thinking of other aspects taking my mind off the act itself.

Suppose it doesn't matter if someone thinks it's genuine or not but comments have made me realise I will not willingly tell anyone.

Daveysil15

I don't think its fair for a mutual act between two consenting adults to be legal for one person and illegal for another. Why not just make it illegal for everyone?

The OP said she was sharing with other girls and someone else is getting 30%. That would technically make it a brothel which is illegal in this country. Would you not be better off going completely independent? That way you're not breaking any laws.

LordSinclair

I don't have a problem with your chosen line of work. However I have a huge problem with you earning 350 Euro into your hand for half a days work and not paying tax on it, that's just a complete outrage in my opinion. There's loads of casual legitimate jobs out there if you put your mind to getting one, but it's obviously easier to get paid 250 Euro for 2-3 hours work, work that you admit that you don't have a problem with, than to put in a hard enough 8 hour shift in Eurospar or Centra that would gross you 80-100 Euro maximum.

I don't buy into all this, "prostitution is taking advantage of vulnerable women" nonsense. While I would never use the services of a prostitute, I genuinely believe that the vast majority of women who end up in prostitution are just too lazy to be bothered putting in the hours for a full-time and boring job, and they happen to be blessed with looks that allow them to be able to engage in a profession where they can get paid a fortune, tax free, for work that they often appear to have no issue at all in doing, as is the case here. I don't see why, as high earning professionals in a cash business, they are not subject to tax like anyone else, it's just a disgrace I think.

So there ye go OP, like it or loathe it, that's my 2 cents worth. :cool:

dearg lady

Daveysil15 wrote: »

I don't think its fair for a mutual act between two consenting adults to be legal for one person and illegal for another. Why not just make it illegal for everyone?

The OP said she was sharing with other girls and someone else is getting 30%. That would technically make it a brothel which is illegal in this country. Would you not be better off going completely independent? That way you're not breaking any laws.

Being completely independent would put OP in a riskier situation, why should she do that?

LordSinclair wrote: »

I don't have a problem with your chosen line of work. However I have a huge problem with you earning 350 Euro into your hand for half a days work and not paying tax on it, that's just a complete outrage in my opinion. There's loads of casual legitimate jobs out there if you put your mind to getting one, but it's obviously easier to get paid 250 Euro for 2-3 hours work, work that you admit that you don't have a problem with, than to put in a hard enough 8 hour shift in Eurospar or Centra that would gross you 80-100 Euro maximum.

I don't buy into all this, "prostitution is taking advantage of vulnerable women" nonsense. While I would never use the services of a prostitute, I genuinely believe that the vast majority of women who end up in prostitution are just too lazy to be bothered putting in the hours for a full-time and boring job, and they happen to be blessed with looks that allow them to be able to engage in a profession where they can get paid a fortune, tax free, for work that they often appear to have no issue at all in doing, as is the case here. I don't see why, as high earning professionals in a cash business, they are not subject to tax like anyone else, it's just a disgrace I think.

So there ye go OP, like it or loathe it, that's my 2 cents worth. :cool:

Are you serious?! You know the current unemployment rate right? Getting a job is not easy at the moment.
'Happen to be blessed with looks' you sound jealous! What about someone who happens to be blessed with intelligence earning a fortune? That's ok is it? OP has said she would prefer to be working in a legitimate job, paying tax, we can only take her at her word.

Daveysil15

LordSinclair wrote: »

I don't have a problem with your chosen line of work. However I have a huge problem with you earning 350 Euro into your hand for half a days work and not paying tax on it, that's just a complete outrage in my opinion. There's loads of casual legitimate jobs out there if you put your mind to getting one, but it's obviously easier to get paid 250 Euro for 2-3 hours work, work that you admit that you don't have a problem with, than to put in a hard enough 8 hour shift in Eurospar or Centra that would gross you 80-100 Euro maximum.

I don't buy into all this, "prostitution is taking advantage of vulnerable women" nonsense. While I would never use the services of a prostitute, I genuinely believe that the vast majority of women who end up in prostitution are just too lazy to be bothered putting in the hours for a full-time and boring job, and they happen to be blessed with looks that allow them to be able to engage in a profession where they can get paid a fortune, tax free, for work that they often appear to have no issue at all in doing, as is the case here. I don't see why, as high earning professionals in a cash business, they are not subject to tax like anyone else, it's just a disgrace I think.

So there ye go OP, like it or loathe it, that's my 2 cents worth. :cool:

While I agree with the issue of tax, I don't think all women who choose prostitution as a profession are lazy. Some people have no choice. There's not many jobs out there, and the ones that are availabe don't pay nearly as much. If the OP wants to do it that's her decision. There's many other jobs that could be considered degrading.

Daveysil15

dearg lady wrote: »

Being completely independent would put OP in a riskier situation, why should she do that?

Yeah I understand, but if the location was to be raided by the guards, (which has happened on many occasions) she'd be arrested and could get a record. Maybe she has a friend who could stay with her?

dearg lady

Daveysil15 wrote: »

Yeah I understand, but if the location was to be raided by the guards, (which has happened on many occasions) she'd be arrested and could get a record. Maybe she has a friend who could stay with her?

True. I dunno, I think for me personally I'd feel safer doing it from a brothel. That's just my instinct though, not really sure what it's based on!

Sonics2k

Daveysil15 wrote: »

Would you not be better off going completely independent? That way you're not breaking any laws.

In terms of safety, then no, absolutely not.

I'm re-reading this thread over and over. I am, as yet, not entirely convinced about the entire truth of the situation.

RDM_83 again

Wonder83 wrote: »

Where did I say I'm not bothered? of course I am bothered it wasn't a pleasant experience or something that I liked - should I have more than one partner? should everyone who decides to do this be promiscuous? you don't know the circumstances. I feel I have to not want to. I would rather work in McDonalds but I didn't get a job there either.

Others brought up legislation and I think I am entitled to an opinion if anything more so, thinking of other aspects taking my mind off the act itself.

Suppose it doesn't matter if someone thinks it's genuine or not but comments have made me realise I will not willingly tell anyone.

I apologize if I have offended you and if you are genuine however on this (and other similar subjects) people often have a hidden agenda (or obvious agenda RE: Eileen_Lang etc)

And I was not making a judgment on peoples sexual behavior or seeking too control it, if it came out that way I again my apologies. It simply struck me as an extremely unusual move for someone who has only had one partner.

Wibbs

Daveysil15 wrote: »

Why would you assume everyone who sells sex needs to deal with emotional baggage? I'm not sure how it would colour their relationship to society either. Not all sex workers are victims.

I didn't say all, however the risks are higher for just such outcomes compared to say working in a shop. Desensitisation is pretty common in any "extreme" environment.

Wonder83

I don't know who Eileen Lang is?. I have no agenda whatsoever. I guess I wanted opinions and I got them, more so in making a decision to tell a close friend or not, she is wondering why I am out of sorts.

I haven't thought about being independent and I would have no place to do that, I am living with my Grandmother and would hardly use the home to take people back to. I don't think I would like to do it on my own, I know the woman running the place does not have my absolute welfare at heart but she does provide some security in the sense other girls are there if something was happening and I honestly have not thought of the consequences of my actions or the police so I guess a few of the posts have made me think a bit more has left.

Regarding the chairlift, Occupational health therapist and Community welfare officer arranged the company to provide the quote, he came out to the house and measured everything and said what would be needed. There is no Bannister, its a two up two down kind of house, I don't want to say my location but if you imagine the houses in Ballyfermot, Cabra or Crumlin when you walk up the stairs there are two walls rather than an open space and the guy said thats why it cost more. Maybe I should look more into it. Thanks for your advise, the TD's were not useful at all.

As for work, I have applied to Centra, Spar, Call centres, Cleaning companies I got a couple of weeks agency work in March and no luck with agencies either. I will work any job, not about being lazy.

Wonder83

LordSinclair wrote: »

I don't have a problem with your chosen line of work. However I have a huge problem with you earning 350 Euro into your hand for half a days work and not paying tax on it, that's just a complete outrage in my opinion. There's loads of casual legitimate jobs out there if you put your mind to getting one, but it's obviously easier to get paid 250 Euro for 2-3 hours work, work that you admit that you don't have a problem with, than to put in a hard enough 8 hour shift in Eurospar or Centra that would gross you 80-100 Euro maximum.

I don't buy into all this, "prostitution is taking advantage of vulnerable women" nonsense. While I would never use the services of a prostitute, I genuinely believe that the vast majority of women who end up in prostitution are just too lazy to be bothered putting in the hours for a full-time and boring job, and they happen to be blessed with looks that allow them to be able to engage in a profession where they can get paid a fortune, tax free, for work that they often appear to have no issue at all in doing, as is the case here. I don't see why, as high earning professionals in a cash business, they are not subject to tax like anyone else, it's just a disgrace I think.

So there ye go OP, like it or loathe it, that's my 2 cents worth. :cool:

I'm not saying it shouldn't be taxed I agree. I think probably a pretty black and white view of it. Cash I earned was not easy and I'm not lazy I will work and I have gone on so many interviews but have had no luck in obtaining employment. I am registered with a number of agencies and got a couple of weeks work with them. I'll do any legal job nothing is beneath me.

I worked part-time all through college and paid tax too. I'm not afraid of hard work or what you say is a boring job. If offered a job in Centra or I would take it in a heartbeat. I have applied btw and some shops want experience, I rang up one cleaning company and they asked me if I had experience I said no and they told me they were only looking for those with experience. I have office experience but I would work doing anything.

It was not a lazy decision but you are entitled to your generalised opinion of women.