Scottoiler..Do you have one?

Wonda-Boy

Anyone on here have a scottoiler fitted (Or Similar) or thinking of getting one? Do you rate them or would you rather lube the chain yourself?

Please Kill Me

No, I don't have one, but with the commuting and mileage I do, I reckon it'd be a good investment. I reckon in time, when I have a few quid, I'll get one. Are they handy enough to throw on yourself like?

Idleater

Installed them on all my bikes with no issues.

Hotblack Desiato

^ Me too, wouldn't be without one. With the touring resevoir it's pretty much fit and forget.

Wonda-Boy

Having terrible trouble with the nibs TBH....the unit itself when it works is brilliant. I opted for the dual injector which I think needs work on the design, its not wide enough or long enough....

I have lost so many nibs since I got it but last week on the way back from Armoy I lost the nib and the rubber gromit that holds it on so one side of the injector is useless now until I get more rubbers which will take a while. I have had them long, short angles all different ways and still lose them.

Any suggestions....?

war_child

Hey lads whats the average cost of this unit , and as the lads said how are they to fit and does the fitting differ from bike to bike ...probably stupid questions but ones i dont know the answer to lol cheers fellas

Wonda-Boy

The only difference really is the way the swing arm is on the bike. If you have a single sided swingarm you might need an adaptor (which is free from the website) but mounting and fitting the kit is fairly straight forward.

Dont get me wrong but it can be difficult to get the flow rate right, but once you do its fine. But them nibs are a bastard to sort....you get plenty of them in the box but not the rubber that holds them flush to the injector as I said.

The unit is €99 for the eSystem and the Dual injector is €25 sold seperately.

Faith+1

Hate them.

mongdesade

Fúckn hate them...clean chain every week & lube with chain wax...simples

P.C.

Where is the 'shaft drive' option?

CJhaughey

There's more chainlube systems on the market than just Scottoiler, Tutoro. Loobman. CLS200 etc etc.

Wonda-Boy

Yes, of course with the Tutoro actually a brilliant one BUT you have to make sure you remember to TURN IT OFF when not riding. I for one would deffo forget that all the time. Kinda like heated grips not wired up to the ignition......DEAD BATTERY!

gipi

Had one on my first bike (marauder). Virago was shaft drive so no need, thinking about one for the F650gs. Never had any problem with the one on the marauder.

Hotblack Desiato

Think the dual injector is a gimmick, Scottoiler never bothered with it for years until a rival manufacturer brought out a dual injector.
The oil only needs to go in on one side. Single sided Scottoilers have been around for a long time, work well, and give little trouble. It's a lot easier to set up the single sided injector.

Wonda-Boy

I am inclined to agree with you....so whats the story with the single just keep running the tube along the swingarm instead of shorter for the dual and bend it down to the sprocket at the 7/8 o clock position.....might be able to do that tomorrow with the one remaining rubber gromit I have.

Wonda-Boy

Just got an email from the tech support which I have to say is 2nd to none. The chap said that the dual injector was/is meant to be drilled into place on the swingarm and mounted horizontally as opposed to the 7/8 o clock position as its getting oiled from both sides it does not need the centrifugal force to bring it across like the single sided injector....and he is sending me out replacement nibs and rubbers FOC!


10/10 for customer service.

Wonda-Boy

mongdesade wrote: »

Fúckn hate them...clean chain every week & lube with chain wax...simples

~Yeah but I have not had to adjust my chain or sprocket since I got the bike 12mths ago, and only cleaned and oiled the chain once (had the back wheel off changing the pads so I said my not) so it is worth it when its set up right.

Pique

Personally I reckon Scottoilers are overpriced and a Loobman or similar setup is perfect.

In principle though, they rock.
Make a machine (however rudimentary) do the work.

Has to be better than the alternative (clean and oil manually or forget and wear chain and sprockets).

war_child

I have to say id rather do the manual work cleaning and oiling the chain ...so i think ill give them a miss and just get to know my bike ....now how do i tellmy missus shes kicked to the spare room...lol:D

Wonda-Boy

If you out on the bike constantly it is a pain in the arse to clean and lube a chain PROPERLY, not just a wipe of a cloth and a bit of oil. You really need to use a good cleaner and bring the chain back to new (dry) as much as possible and then depending on the grit/grease build up get a brush on it....then lube it. Alot of work there, and time consuming especially if you dont have the time. Maybe only an intense clean every other week but I cant go back to that after having the chain oiler.

Especially when all it costs after the initial purchase is a bottle of oil for €9.99 every 6mths or so.

CJhaughey

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Especially when all it costs after the initial purchase is a bottle of oil for €9.99 every 6mths or so.

Just use ATF fluid, its the same stuff.

YCHGTBOY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?hl=en&v=dvM4HShwGd0&gl=US

Wonda-Boy

Ha....lovely stuff. Would be handy to have it automatic but still it works!

Jaden

I have one on me Deauville - they're a great yoke. :P :P :P

Wonda-Boy

Well finally got time to fit the dual injector the way its meant to be fitted, unlike the single injector. So drilled the swingarm and mounted it with two bolts horizontally and got 2 new nibs (free from scottoiler tech support) and its alot better TBH.

Going for a big spin tomorrow so hopefully all is well.

BlackWizard

I think I need one of these. I am adjusting my chain every 1.5 weeks. At this rate I will only get half a year out of my chain.

How easy are they to fit?

Anyone know if these are any good and easy to fit? http://www.chainoiler.co.uk/

The Scottoiler seems kinda expensive compared to them ^^

Wonda-Boy

As long as the scottoiler is fitted and adjusted correctly they are very good. I have not had to adjust my chain or sprocket since the day I got my bike 13mths ago. There are cheaper out there like the tuturo (which is a very good system but its manual as in you have to turn it on and off yourself)

I dont think the scottoiler is dear for what you get, and the single side injector system is easy enough to fit depending on the bike (single sided swing arm bikes are harder to fit)

And I have to say the tech support and customer service is the best I have ever seen.

YCHGTBOY

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Well finally got time to fit the dual injector the way its meant to be fitted, unlike the single injector. So drilled the swingarm and mounted it with two bolts horizontally and got 2 new nibs (free from scottoiler tech support) and its alot better TBH.

Going for a big spin tomorrow so hopefully all is well.

Personally, I would never drill a swingarm. It's your bike and your call, but IMHO, you are inviting a possible catastrophic structural failure.

Wonda-Boy

YCHGTBOY wrote: »

catastrophic structural failure.

SERIOUSLY...with 2x2mm drill hole.....I doubt it mate. Plus the fact the swingarm is about 4-5mm think on the bottom.

KamiKazi

yeah no way I'd drill a swing arm, cable tie / adhere that sh1t on

Hotblack Desiato

Put it this way. I'd never buy a bike with a hole drilled in the frame or swingarm that the manufacturer didn't put there.

blu3r0ri0n

I have cable tie's on mine and it hasn't budget at all, I lost one of the nibs on the dual injector when a tire was being fitted and it was the only time I had to readjusted since putting it in over a year ago. I still try to clean (needs very little cleaning usually) the chain and lube it by hand (with scottoil) weekly just to check it out to make sure all is ok. I'm happy with mine.

daenerysstormborn3

Would this have any effect on an insurance claim? You've modified the frame of your bike. I know bike insurance companies aren't all there in the head when it comes to bikes so most wouldn't have a clue but you could come across a knowledgeable insurance company rep. Not saying you would have no claim but it may have an effect.

Wonda-Boy

ninja900 wrote: »

Put it this way. I'd never buy a bike with a hole drilled in the frame or swingarm that the manufacturer didn't put there.

Taken directly from the scottoiler website from Technical Support.......

Drilling/tapping the swingarm is fine. We've had professional engineers look at it and they said as long as you don't drill close to welds then there's no problem. The swingarm is quite thick walled and can easily stand two tiny 3mm holes being drilled in it without creating a stress point that'll give problems. Look elsewhere on the swingarm and you'll find loads of holes pre-drilled in it.

Hundreds of people, with all different makes and models mount the DUAL INJECTOR this way.

kaimera

Running a dual injector SO on my fzs.

Didnt drill the swing arm, cables tied it on tidy like

daenerysstormborn3

There's also plenty of websites that say not to drill into your swingarm (a quick google will show up plenty of results). To me it's just common sense not to do it.

Wonda-Boy

kaimera wrote: »

Running a dual injector SO on my fzs.

Didnt drill the swing arm, cables tied it on tidy like

I ran heavy duty cable ties for 6mths, and in very heavy rain for sustained periods I was losing the nibs left right and centre. It was getting to the stage every trip up north for a road race in very bad weather with a constant high speed it was playing havok with the system.

Regardless of drilling or not :rolleyes:, make sure the injector is horizontal not mounted in the 7-8 o clock position (the way the single injector is meant to be mounted) its not as effective as horizontal. And you can email scottoiler to confirm.

daenerysstormborn3

Did you consider that it might have been a problem with the way you had it installed? Anyone I know with a scottoiler has it cable tied on in some fashion and doesn't have the problem you have described.

Wossack

BlackWizard wrote: »

I think I need one of these. I am adjusting my chain every 1.5 weeks. At this rate I will only get half a year out of my chain.

How easy are they to fit?

Anyone know if these are any good and easy to fit? http://www.chainoiler.co.uk/

The Scottoiler seems kinda expensive compared to them ^^

believe the loobman is quite good alright - probably not the same level of aftermarket support as the scotty mind, but nevertheless

I dont believe it will reduce the amount of chain stretch you're getting though - its not really a lubrication issue afaik

Is it a new chain? Unless the chain is pre-stretched, it will do the majority of its stretching in the first few hundred miles (if even)

Bingo481

pixiebean22 wrote: »

Did you consider that it might have been a problem with the way you had it installed? Anyone I know with a scottoiler has it cable tied on in some fashion and doesn't have the problem you have described.

Looks like the lad has tried everything and decided to go the way of drilling a swingarm, its not rocket science to fit so I imagine he did it right.

Cable ties are fine but not ideal and are un-sightly, especially in the wet they can move around. The people you know are prolly going through cable ties to beat the band keeping it in place. I dont have a scottoiler but I planning on getting one, but I would have no probs drilling a small 2-3 mm hole in a swingarm.

blu3r0ri0n

Bingo481 wrote: »

Looks like the lad has tried everything and decided to go the way of drilling a swingarm, its not rocket science to fit so I imagine he did it right.

Cable ties are fine but not ideal and are un-sightly, especially in the wet they can move around. The people you know are prolly going through cable ties to beat the band keeping it in place. I dont have a scottoiler but I planning on getting one, but I would have no probs drilling a small 2-3 mm hole in a swingarm.

I have the scottoiler installed well over a year with cable ties and the only time I had to adjust it was when I put a new chain/tire on, saying that I dont see any issue with drilling 2x3mm holes in to the swing arm, I dont see it would weaken its strenght properties or structural integrity - I still wouldnt drill in to mine though

daenerysstormborn3

Bingo481 wrote: »

Looks like the lad has tried everything and decided to go the way of drilling a swingarm, its not rocket science to fit so I imagine he did it right.

Cable ties are fine but not ideal and are un-sightly, especially in the wet they can move around. The people you know are prolly going through cable ties to beat the band keeping it in place. I dont have a scottoiler but I planning on getting one, but I would have no probs drilling a small 2-3 mm hole in a swingarm.

Nope.

It was just a suggestion. Nothing could convince me to drill into a swingarm and I certainly wouldn't do it myself, I'd get a proper bike mechanic. I'm still wondering about an insurance company questioning modifying the frame of your bike without notifying them (assuming they haven't been notified).

nerrad1983

Personally I think some people are over reacting a little bit over how these are to be fitted

The way i see it is........ If the instructions say you can drill it then id be fairly confident no harm will be caused

If i was fitting one to my bike i would try and use cable ties i wouldnt like to be left with a hole in the swing arm if i ever had to remove the system.

Bingo481

The only modifying the insurance company needs to know about would be performance modifications, not a lousy scottoiler been mounted on a swingarm or anywhere else. Adding two screws to a swingarm hardly constitutes modding now does it. Sure the amount of add ons needed for a single swingarm mount (non drilling) would be more of a mod the messing involved.

And why on earth would you get a proper bike mechanic that would charge you at least an hours hard cash to drill 2 tiny little holes, if everyone was to use that mentality no one would even service their own bike as its far more complicated then drilling a small hole or two.

daenerysstormborn3

Bingo481 wrote: »

The only modifying the insurance company needs to know about would be performance modifications, not a lousy scottoiler been mounted on a swingarm or anywhere else. Adding two screws to a swingarm hardly constitutes modding now does it. Sure the amount of add ons needed for a single swingarm mount (non drilling) would be more of a mod the messing involved.

And why on earth would you get a proper bike mechanic that would charge you at least an hours hard cash to drill 2 tiny little holes, if everyone was to use that mentality no one would even service their own bike as its far more complicated then drilling a small hole or two.

You're incorrect there.

Servicing your bike and drilling a few holes in your swingarm are entirely different matters. They don't even compare.

I'm after asking a few of the lads and they've all said the same thing "If I went to buy a bike and there was a few holes drilled into a swingarm I wouldn't touch it".

Sure do whatever you want to your own bike, nobody to blame but yourself then.

Bingo481

pixiebean22 wrote: »

You're incorrect there.

Servicing your bike and drilling a few holes in your swingarm are entirely different matters. They don't even compare

Says who? That is your opinion not concrete facts. So what if you asked a few lads, they all experts in the field of swingarm mods? Or a queue at the local bus stop. Everyone is an expert in their own mind. A tad presumptuous dont you think pixie?

I would not buy a bike either with holes in the swing arm, but I would if the scottoiler was still attached to it. And so would any other half sane person, I would be more inclined to know about service history and wear and tear then a scottoiler attached properly to a motorbike.

daenerysstormborn3

Bingo481 wrote: »

Says who? That is your opinion not concrete facts. So what if you asked a few lads, they all experts in the field of swingarm mods? Or a queue at the local bus stop. Everyone is an expert in their own mind. A tad presumptuous dont you think pixie?

I would not buy a bike either with holes in the swing arm, but I would if the scottoiler was still attached to it. And so would any other half sane person, I would be more inclined to know about service history and wear and tear then a scottoiler attached properly to a motorbike.

No, not just my opinion.

No they're not experts, nor did I claim they are, but they are potential customers of people who are drilling holes in their swingarms. Do you have to be an expert to have an opinion now?!

"I would be more inclined to know about service history and wear and tear" - as would anyone buying a bike.

I'm not being presumptuous. I think you're just getting a bit carried away. We'll just leave it there

Bingo481

Well if its just your opinion how am I incorrect? I was merely stating that just because you asked a few lads does not make the statement correct. And thus if its just your opinion no one is right or wrong. I did not state anyone was right or wrong, you did.

Indeed we shall leave it there, as its alot of mountains out of molehills for such a simple operation. As for me getting carried away I think you should re-read some of your own posts relating to Insurance companies and engineers aswell as bike mechanics for drilling a swingarm. That my dear is carried away.

Happy biking.

Del2005

The main way of stopping cracks spreading is by drilling the end of the crack. Engineers drill into metals all the time to stop cracks spreading, even on aircraft, so a few holes in a swing arm won't do any harm once they are in the correct position.

daenerysstormborn3

Del2005 wrote: »

The main way of stopping cracks spreading is by drilling the end of the crack. Engineers drill into metals all the time to stop cracks spreading, even on aircraft, so a few holes in a swing arm won't do any harm once they are in the correct position.

Yes that's all fine and well but how many of your average biker would actually have the knowledge and ability to carry out that work correctly? I certainly wouldn't have much confidence in a layperson carrying out that work.

Bingo481

Del2005 wrote: »

The main way of stopping cracks spreading is by drilling the end of the crack. Engineers drill into metals all the time to stop cracks spreading, even on aircraft, so a few holes in a swing arm won't do any harm once they are in the correct position.

Could not have put it better myself.