Prometheus sequal moving forward

don ramo

looks like we may get some answers, and hopefully meet those guys that started off whatever the hell they started at the start of Prometheus

http://www.etonline.com/movies/123852_Prometheus_Sequel_Moves_Forward/index.html

Wintergreen

Really looking forward to the next installment! I initially heard there'd be a trilogy made but I suppose it depends on the money the next film generates. I'd hate to see a case where things are left up in the air again with the next film and then the studio decides not to go ahead with a third installment due to a poor performance at the box office!

MrStuffins

What people don't seem to realise is, there ARE no answers! They don't exist!

What these movies will do is create them. The horrible mistakes and holes that destroyed Prometheus were due to bad & lazy script writing.

Wintergreen

Ah I dont want all the answers just some threads tidied up I love open endings. Prometheus had a lot of flaws but I enjoyed it despite them. You just dont see enough big budget sci-fi any more!

WatchWolf

pm1977x

Wintergreen wrote: »

Really looking forward to the next installment! I initially heard there'd be a trilogy made but I suppose it depends on the money the next film generates. I'd hate to see a case where things are left up in the air again with the next film and then the studio decides not to go ahead with a third installment due to a poor performance at the box office!

Well I for one will be paying to see it, would have caught the first one again if I'd had time...

homerun_homer

Excellent, let's start hyping it up now and tear it down when it's released in 2-3 years!!

Galvasean

My expectations for a sequel won't be very high. I built myself up too much for Prometheus and ended up disappointed. It's a decent enough watch, but frustrating in that it could well have been a great film if they had given the script a bit more of a tidy. Quite frustrating actually.

paddy kerins

Prometheuses would be the obvious title

pixelburp

I'm a bit 'hmmm' about this, it's not as if the first film ended on a sequel-teasing note. If anything the ending worked on its own, and would be a shame to expand it

But Yeah; the first film experienced some massive hype - though I'm very glad I stayed ignorant of all promotion so I could enjoy it raw - but I believe the threads for Prometheus & Dark Knight Rises are really good example of the kind of aggressive, overzealous & rabid pedantry that simply ruins decent discussion threads on Boards & elsewhere.

Was Prometheus as bad as the kicking it got? Hell no.

johnnysmack

pixelburp wrote: »

Was Prometheus as bad as the kicking it got?

Yes, yes it was.

fluke

paddy kerins wrote: »

Prometheuses would be the obvious title

Or PrometheUs and Them

tok9

So... wait.. let me get this straight. It's a prequel to Aliens!!!!!!!!!!! OMG, this is going to be the best thing since Prometheus!

On a more serious note, I will be looking forward to this, I liked Prometheus even with it's massive flaws.

paddy kerins

fluke wrote: »

Or Prometheus and Them

2 Fast 2 Prometheus

Sad Professor

Love it or hate it, but Prometheus's box office success bodes very well for R-rated, high-concept sci-fi blockbusters. I'm still hoping it might allow del Toro to get the funding for his At the Mountain of Madness adaptation. It's very similar territory to Prometheus, but in del Toro's hands has the potential to be far superior.

fluke

paddy kerins wrote: »

2 Fast 2 Prometheus

Prometheus 2: Prometheus Harder

PerrinV2

Its all leading towards this lads

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOfAuQW1Lec

pixelburp

johnnysmack wrote: »

Yes, yes it was.

No, it really wasn't. Few films deserve it.

Film threads are great ecosystems to watch, especially when hyperactive internet fanboys & critics descend en-masse onto a soft-target to give it a good kicking. It's interesting how on Metacritic Prometheus generally received mixed reviews from professional critics - 1 apparent negative review! - whereas user-reviews showed a simple love/hate split. It made money and critics liked it, what more would a studio want.
It's actually the opposite scenario of something like John Carter, where it got an absolute hiding from the professionals, yet mostly favourable response from the internet.

Galvasean

John Carter > Prometheus TBH.
John Carter was a clever film disguised as a silly film while Prometheus was a silly film dressed up as a clever one.

pixelburp

Galvasean wrote: »

John Carter > Prometheus TBH.
John Carter was a clever film disguised as a silly film while Prometheus was a silly film dressed up as a clever one.

Fair enough, my point was just that it's interesting how both movies became easy-targets for one side of the critical divide (critics vs. internet), while the other basically said "it's not that bad"

johnny_ultimate

Prometheus is second only to The Dark Knight Rises in terms of blockbusters that had the balls to try something different in recent times. Yes, a mixed success, without a shadow of a doubt. But I still found so much more to engage with than I did in something like the enjoyable but hollow & unambitious Avengers. It's disappointing the film attracted such ire, because it's a visual treat that provides plenty of food for thought alongside the occasionally idiotic characters. Some of the pedantry was deserved. But it completely overwhelmed the equally worthy discussion of its strengths and successes. I guess I'm just more willing to defend blockbusters that at least try.

I'm not necessarily enthused by the idea of a sequel, though. Perhaps they will be able to smooth out the rough edges and expand upon the ideas & themes of the first with a less problematic script. But being one of those seemingly rare sorts that thought Prometheus explained too much rather than too little, I don't feel like several of the 'mysteries' need any further exploration.

homerun_homer

Was John Carter a clever movie? What did I miss?

pixelburp wrote: »

I'm a bit 'hmmm' about this, it's not as if the first film ended on a sequel-teasing note. If anything the ending worked on its own, and would be a shame to expand it

I dunno, I mean she took off into the sky in the ship wanting to go to the Engineers homeland. Screams sequel to me and I will put my hand up and say I'll watch it and will probably look forward to it a fair bit when it's due for release.

johnny_ultimate

homerun_homer wrote: »

I dunno, I mean she took off into the sky in the ship wanting to go to the Engineers homeland. Screams sequel to me and I will put my hand up and say I'll watch it and will probably look forward to it a fair bit when it's due for release.

The ending (and the film as a whole) also heavily commented on the fact that humanity's search for answers to unanswerable questions is a quest without end. Which can be read as a clever commentary on prequels and sequels in general. That to me makes the concept of a sequel to this prequel slightly problematic :pac:

homerun_homer

Then again Ridley is a man who tends to give outright answers after the fact, to questions people like debating over from his movies. The Blade Runner Replicant debate for Harrison Ford's character for example.

Goldstein

With Lindelof out of the way they at least have a chance of making a decent popcorn film, a good chance even. Just hire a proper science fiction writer with a basic understanding of logic and writing - thousands of them out there. They'll be hampered to some degree by the confines of some of the nonsense story from first movie but they could overcome/gloss-over it without too much difficulty. They also need a new composer to score it.

"hype" is just an overused derogatory term for anticipation. The multi-million dollar marketing machine behind Prometheus knocked it out of the park trying to pass their product off as a "big ideas" :pac: proper science fiction movie. Next time many people will be thinking: "Fool us once..."

Mark Hamill

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Prometheus is second only to The Dark Knight Rises in terms of blockbusters that had the balls to try something different in recent times. Yes, a mixed success, without a shadow of a doubt. But I still found so much more to engage with than I did in something like the enjoyable but hollow & unambitious Avengers. It's disappointing the film attracted such ire, because it's a visual treat that provides plenty of food for thought alongside the occasionally idiotic characters. Some of the pedantry was deserved. But it completely overwhelmed the equally worthy discussion of its strengths and successes. I guess I'm just more willing to defend blockbusters that at least try.

There is a world of difference between films that try something different, but just don't quite gel, and films that merely say they are trying something different but are in fact horribly hollow, cliché ridden messes. The thing about Prometheus is that it didn't try anything new, at least not for Lindelof. It was pretty much the same as Lost - full of clichéd and poorly thought out pseudo -religious and -philosophical ideas, ambiguity favoured over actually answering anything because the writers have no idea what the hell they are doing, scenes with visually interesting additions but with no intention of being explained because they were added purely because someone thought it would look cool.

Prometheus was like a videogame with impressive graphics and competent voice acting, but horrible controls and an insultingly terrible storyline and characters on almost every level.

A new writer may make the sequel itself more coherent, but it has to work with the mess that Lindelof made of the first, so I'm not holding out any hopes.

syklops

looks like we may get some answers

They said that when season 2/3/4 of Lost was announced. Look what happened.

fluke wrote: »

Prometheus 2: Prometheus Harder

in Space?

I'm surprised your man Lindelof still gets jobs.

Sad Professor

Lindelof was easily the best writer on Lost and more than Abrams was responsible for the show's success. Film writing is a different beast though. So far all his work has involved re-writing other people's scripts under the guidance of the director. It's a nice way to make money, but he has no creative control over the finished result. You can blame him for Lost but you can't blame him Prometheus. I've never heard a screenwriter say anything good about Scott in retrospect. In fact, there's lots of people who feel the scripts to Alien and Blade Runner were perfect until Scott start making changes.

don ramo

people are aware ridley scott is in charge of this, not damon lindelof, goes to show people will jump on anything without looking at facts,

damon lindelof was a show runner/writer on lost, he was co-writer/executive prouder on Prometheus, ridley scott was the producer/director of Prometheus, he was boss, he signed off on everything, even the script

still went to see it again last night seeing as it was the final showing in cork, must say i was more impressed, my biggest issue with it was why that alien was so insistent on getting to earth,

also does anyone remember when shaw and the captain were talking before weyland went to see the alien himself, the captain was on about the place being an installation, and that anyone with sense wouldn't make weapons of mass destruction on their doorstep, i dont recall seeing that scene when i first went to see it on the weekend it was released, there were 3 or 4 scenes i seem to have totally spaced on first time around,

Duggy747

I loved everything about Prometheus expect the script, it was horrible and not something I put the blame on Lindelof on entirely, Scott has to share it too.

Really annoyed me over the ensuing days as I allowed the film to sink in and look back on it, there was a great film in there but it just got cut down in it's most important pieces.

And Noomi Rapace is hot, there I said it.....:pac:

sheesh

Prometheus was potentially a great film a couple of very good main characters, great special effects ruined by plot holes and badly written supporting characters . because of this we will all go back to the sequel to see if it redeems itself ! we are being played !

absolute genius!

bullvine

Just get Fincher to do the Sequel.. Seriously.

don ramo

bullvine wrote: »

Just get Fincher to do the Sequel.. Seriously.

no Cameron does the sequels and Fincher finishes the trilogy, so it was in the beginning, and shall ever be, the end

bullvine

I dont even think Cameron could turn this sequel into a great movie!

Mark Hamill

Sad Professor wrote: »

Lindelof was easily the best writer on Lost and more than Abrams was responsible for the show's success. Film writing is a different beast though. So far all his work has involved re-writing other people's scripts under the guidance of the director. It's a nice way to make money, but he has no creative control over the finished result. You can blame him for Lost but you can't blame him Prometheus. I've never heard a screenwriter say anything good about Scott in retrospect. In fact, there's lots of people who feel the scripts to Alien and Blade Runner were perfect until Scott start making changes.

don ramo wrote: »

people are aware ridley scott is in charge of this, not damon lindelof, goes to show people will jump on anything without looking at facts,

damon lindelof was a show runner/writer on lost, he was co-writer/executive prouder on Prometheus, ridley scott was the producer/director of Prometheus, he was boss, he signed off on everything, even the script

Oh, I don't let Scott off the hook either, he had last say, but his last say was in accepting Lindelof scripts. Or is it a big coincidence that the problems with Prometheus where the same as the problems with Lost?

Prometheus even ended like a season finale of Lost - one season long mystery barely resolved with another nearly identical one inserted to keep the only type of ambiguous mystery writing the writers are capable of. Think about it - the only answers given in Prometheus, what few are given, are either really poorly thought out (the genealogy of an alien is all over the place) or just declared by characters who had no way of knowing if what they were actually saying was right. And it still managed to end setting up future film with the exact same basic premise as the first film - Raplace going off to find the creators of humans and xenomorphs to ask them why they bothered.

don ramo

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Oh, I don't let Scott off the hook either, he had last say, but his last say was in accepting Lindelof scripts. Or is it a big coincidence that the problems with Prometheus where the same as the problems with Lost?

And it still managed to end setting up future film with the exact same basic premise as the first film - Raplace going off to find the creators of humans and xenomorphs to ask them why they bothered.

yeah its the search of why humanity exists, and you expect them to fit that into a nice neat 2 hour package, there is no answer unless scott knows something the whole planet has yet to find out,

also a lot of people liked to crib about lost while it was on, and even more after it finished, these people are usually sused out when the state that everyone was dead all along, but i never understood why so many people complained for 6 years, instead of just stopping watching, its nearly the definition of insanity

wrote:

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Mickeroo

Will be looking forward to this, even though there was a lot to dislike about the first one it still left me wanting to know what happen's next.

Sad Professor

Yeah, apparently a lot of people who hated Lost still watched it for 6 years - over a 100 hours worth of television, plus however many hours they wasted online discussing theories - just to see how it would end. I've no problem with people who loved the show but were disappointed with the ending. I have issues with it as well, same as I do with the ending of BSG. But I stopped taking the "I watched every single episode of Lost and it was garbage" people seriously a while ago.

And some of the bile that gets directed toward Lindelof on Twitter is quite disturbing. He regularly gets death threats or "I hope you go under a bus"-type messages from crazed Lost and Alien fanboys.

johnny_ultimate

The ending of Lost is a masterpiece compared to those nonsensical final minutes of Battlestar. ****ing robot montage.

Galvasean

don ramo wrote: »

yeah its the search of why humanity exists, and you expect them to fit that into a nice neat 2 hour package, there is no answer unless scott knows something the whole planet has yet to find out,

It's just Ancient Astronaut Theory. It's really not that new or big an idea.

Mark Hamill

don ramo wrote: »

yeah its the search of why humanity exists, and you expect them to fit that into a nice neat 2 hour package, there is no answer unless scott knows something the whole planet has yet to find out,

Its a movie, not an actual search. As a piece of fiction, even an allegorical one, it should have a consistent and well written story to convey the writers message, otherwise it becomes either preachy (if the story falls to the way side in favour of whatever message the author is trying to convey being shoved in your face) or just full of holes (if the author is too afraid to make any definite assertions and so leaves us with pretentious ambiguity everywhere).

Not everything needs to be answered, but some answers have to be given, in order to drive discussion towards what ever point of view the writer is trying is present, otherwise the movie is just "why do we exist" followed by a nonsensical pretty, but largely irrelevant mess. Assuming Lindelof/Scott was answering some questions in Prometheus, and was being serious with his starting point of intellectual design, and the latter point of the creators wanting to destroy us for some unexplained reason, then the problem is that the film has too many scientific and behavioural inconsistencies to make any philosophical pondering based on those questions. We can't examine the question Lindelof/Scott is asking if the film is too inconsistent in its science, behaviour/motivations and plot scenarios to make any meaningful statements. Nothing we could say would have any meaningful relation to real life.

don ramo wrote: »

also a lot of people liked to crib about lost while it was on, and even more after it finished, these people are usually sused out when the state that everyone was dead all along, but i never understood why so many people complained for 6 years, instead of just stopping watching, its nearly the definition of insanity

I stopped watching after the end of season 3/start of season 4 (I think) when it was quite clear the writers weren't even thinking about the end of a season when writing the start of the season and how the pulled out the same scenario a third year running (oh look, another group of ambiguous people of ambiguous original and ambiguous motivation).

Mark Hamill

Galvasean wrote: »

It's just Ancient Astronaut Theory. It's really not that new or big an idea.

Ah, but what if the Ancient Astronaut is bald and built like a brick ****house and doesn't like us any more for reasons never explained? Ooohh I'm asking questions :rolleyes:

Galvasean

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Ah, but what if the Ancient Astronaut is bald and built like a brick ****house and doesn't like us any more for reasons never explained? Ooohh I'm asking questions :rolleyes:

"Why do you hate us?!!?!?!?"
"Because you suck LOL"
*snap*

Space jockeys = galactic trolls.

don ramo

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Its a movie, not an actual search. As a piece of fiction, even an allegorical one, it should have a consistent and well written story to convey the writers message, otherwise it becomes either preachy (if the story falls to the way side in favour of whatever message the author is trying to convey being shoved in your face) or just full of holes (if the author is too afraid to make any definite assertions and so leaves us with pretentious ambiguity everywhere).

Not everything needs to be answered, but some answers have to be given, in order to drive discussion towards what ever point of view the writer is trying is present, otherwise the movie is just "why do we exist" followed by a nonsensical pretty, but largely irrelevant mess. Assuming Lindelof/Scott was answering some questions in Prometheus, and was being serious with his starting point of intellectual design, and the latter point of the creators wanting to destroy us for some unexplained reason, then the problem is that the film has too many scientific and behavioural inconsistencies to make any philosophical pondering based on those questions. We can't examine the question Lindelof/Scott is asking if the film is too inconsistent in its science, behaviour/motivations and plot scenarios to make any meaningful statements. Nothing we could say would have any meaningful relation to real life.

sh1t i thought they actually went to LV-223, **** me dont i feel stupid:rolleyes:,

it did answer a question, in the context of the film, them aliens created us, i didnt see any real reason as to why they wanted to destroy us, or did they want to destroy us, maybe they were coming to give us an upgrade as though we were some kind of computer program, maybe they felt we didnt live up to our potential, and they felt they had a new species that would make better use of this planet than we have,

scott wanted to make a second trilogy to lead up to the original alien film, thats why the film is left open ended for the possibility of a sequel, and also id say the engineer probably felt he didnt owe anyone an explanation, after all he is an engineer

kowloon

I watched all of Lost just to see what bat**** crazy thing would happen next. It was muck of the highest order, but I watched it anyway. The BSG ending didn't annoy me so much, but if the ending had instead been the mid series cliffhanger it would have been a mindphuck of legendary proportions.

I'll go see the Prometheus sequel, even though I thought it had more holes than a net that's been the victim of a driveby. And I'll enjoy it anyway, because I'm stupid and easily impressed by anything shiny.

don ramo

kowloon wrote: »

I watched all of Lost just to see what bat**** crazy thing would happen next. It was muck of the highest order, but I watched it anyway. The BSG ending didn't annoy me so much, but if the ending had instead been the mid series cliffhanger it would have been a mindphuck of legendary proportions.

I'll go see the Prometheus sequel, even though I thought it had more holes than a net that's been the victim of a driveby. And I'll enjoy it anyway, because I'm stupid and easily impressed by anything shiny.

i liked the BSG ending,

not the angels part, but that they made it to earth and were gonna survive,

i find it odd that you watched over 100 hours of something you didnt enjoy, there are some fantastic TV shows out there, and thousands of film you could have watched and enjoyed, instead of watching something you despised, your time to waste i suppose

bar the engineer not talking and explaining why he was so insistent on getting to earth, i thought they covered everything else, what other holes did you find,

SmokeyEyes

I'm looking forward to a sequel, yes, Prometheus was flawed but I love a beautiful sci-fi movie, there aren't enough of them lately, so I really enjoyed it despite some initial disappointment.

Hopefully things could improve for the next installment!

johnny_ultimate

don ramo wrote: »

i liked the BSG ending,

not the angels part, but that they made it to earth and were gonna survive,

i find it odd that you watched over 100 hours of something you didnt enjoy, there are some fantastic TV shows out there, and thousands of film you could have watched and enjoyed, instead of watching something you despised, your time to waste i suppose

bar the engineer not talking and explaining why he was so insistent on getting to earth, i thought they covered everything else, what other holes did you find,

Hope you don't me spoiler tagging your post, but it is unfair to have specific BSG plot spoilers in a thread for Prometheus

The worst thing about those last fifteen minutes or so of BSG was that it was doing so well up until then, before it threw in a load of nonsense that made no sense at all within the context of the show: actively contradicting it at times. With Lost? Well the ending makes sense. You don't have to like it, but if you had watched the whole series, and particularly the final one, there was nothing - as far as I recall - in the final episode that was actually contradictory.

The second to final scene of Prometheus was, IMO, a thematically appropriate theory to conclude on. And then they put in the ****ty epilogue

don ramo

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Hope you don't me spoiler tagging your post, but it is unfair to have specific BSG plot spoilers in a thread for Prometheus

nice one didnt even think of it:o:o

Mickeroo

don ramo wrote: »

nice one didnt even think of it:o:o

Still haven't finished BSG yet, dodged a bullet there

Mark Hamill

don ramo wrote: »

it did answer a question, in the context of the film, them aliens created us,

But that was given to us in the opening scenes, its the set up not a question.

don ramo wrote: »

i didnt see any real reason as to why they wanted to destroy us, or did they want to destroy us, maybe they were coming to give us an upgrade as though we were some kind of computer program, maybe they felt we didnt live up to our potential, and they felt they had a new species that would make better use of this planet than we have,

But how do we know they wanted to kill us? Because one of the humans declared the planet was a military instillation, despite being in no position to know that? For all we know the planet was a scientific instillation, separate from their home world because the black goo is so dangerous and there was some sort of accident and only one engineer survived (in stasis). Maybe he attacked the humans when he woke up because his society has no value on the individual (or sees humans as an easily expendable commodity because we are only an intermediate to the xenomorphs that are actually the ultimate reason for seeding planets in the first place) and he needed to return home to let them know about the accident or to see why no-one came for him. Maybe he caused the accident himself, hence all the others engineers died, because he is some kind of alien fundie terrorist who doesn't believe they should be creating life and that such created life has no value because god didn't do it.

These and many more theories are all possible because the writer and director gave us nothing to work with. Thats not good writing, a good writer who knows where he is going will give something to indicate it, so that the reveal at the end will be believable. Giving as few actual details as possible is what you do when you don't know where you are going and just want to wait until writing the sequel to figure it all out (with the knowledge that you have little worry of contradicting anything no matter what way you decide to go).