Shop worker stabbed as he waited 25 mins for Gardai

davet82

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/brave-shop-worker-stabbed-as-he-waited-for-gardai-3186240.html

"A fella with a mask walked into the shop. He took the money from the till and as he was leaving Jahan hit the panic button and he was wrestled to the ground,"

"They struggled with him for about 25 minutes while they waited for guards to arrive.

I can't help think that if the panic button was hit in a bank the responce time would have alot shorter! What would be the expected responce time for incidents like this, anybody know?

The shop is in James Street in Dublin City Centre so I would have persumed it would have been quicker than 25 minutes although it was a Saturday (no time given in the article) and we all know how much time drink related incidents on Saturdays consume garda resources.

Anyways fair play to the chap for tackling this scumbag, I dont think I'd be as brave tbh

hardCopy

Response time should have been much quicker than that, more Gards than ever on the street at peak times with the new rosters.

later12

davet82 wrote: »

Anyways fair play to the chap for tackling this scumbag, I dont think I'd be as brave tbh

Brave or foolish?

I hope he recovers fully from this attack, but really, aside from the slow Police response, what on Earth was he thinking? wrestling a guy with a syringe full of blood for what, a few hundred Euro

I heard a friend of his talk about him on the news, sounds like a nice guy; must be awful to be separated from his family at a time like this.

It was both brave and stupid.
Feel sorry for the chap, Gardai could've been a bit quicker allright.

IrishAm

A brave but ultimately, a foolish dude. If a junkie comes at you with a blood(HIV?) filled syringe you let him take whatever the hell he wants.

davet82

later12 wrote: »

Brave or foolish?

i'd have to say foolish too tbh

the chap is probably on minimun wage and to take a blood filled syringe in the arm for a few lousy quid does seem a bit crazy, I wonder will Spar even pay him for his time off, I doubt it

Sappa

Poor lad,
He came here from Pakistan in 2002 worked hard,studied a bit and met his wife from Latvia in 2005.
He has been in the job since he came to Ireland and kept his head down,non drinker ,non smoker apparently.
In hindsight he risked too much by showing his bravery.
Anyone using a syringe in an attack should receive the sane sentence as a firearm charge.

biko

We need more old men, these guys just tied the thief up and left him on the street.

IrishAm

Sappa wrote: »

Poor lad,
He came here from Pakistan in 2002 worked hard,studied a bit and met his wife from Latvia in 2005.

At the same time his student visa was about to run out. Remarkable!

IrishAm

biko wrote: »

We need more old men, these guys just tied the thief up and left him on the street.

Don't fuck with veterans.

Gyalist

IrishAm wrote: »

At the same time his student visa was about to run out. Remarkable!

Do you know this for a fact? Is there no limit to how low you are prepared to go to make your point about immigration/immigrants? Somehow you managed to ignore that he has been married for seven years.

MagicSean

davet82 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/brave-shop-worker-stabbed-as-he-waited-for-gardai-3186240.html



I can't help think that if the panic button was hit in a bank the responce time would have alot shorter! What would be the expected responce time for incidents like this, anybody know?

The shop is in James Street in Dublin City Centre so I would have persumed it would have been quicker than 25 minutes although it was a Saturday (no time given in the article) and we all know how much time drink related incidents on Saturdays consume garda resources.

Anyways fair play to the chap for tackling this scumbag, I dont think I'd be as brave tbh

Panic alarms don't go straight to Gardaí. They go to the monitoring company who ring a dispatcher who patches them through to the Gardaí who takes the details and dispatches a unit. So it's not really possible to say where the delay was.

old hippy

IrishAm wrote: »

At the same time his student visa was about to run out. Remarkable!

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

stovelid

I had to hit the panic button when I was held up once years ago (coincidentally quite near there) and they got there really quickly so maybe it was bad luck: lot of robberies happening concurrently or something.

And as for taking a needle to save the shop takings? No fucking way.

The panic button is usually out of sight, often on the floor. Should have waited until he was leaving before hitting it.

IrishAm

Gyalist wrote: »

Do you know this for a fact? Is there limit no how low you are prepared to go to make your point about immigration/immigrants? Somehow you managed to ignore that he has been married for seven years.

lol

POOR, young Latvian women are being lured to Ireland with promises of up to €10,000 to "marry" illegal immigrants here, men mainly from Pakistan, most of whom are believed to have wives back in their home countries.

Adverts have been placed in Latvia and, it is believed other Baltic states, seeking women to come to Ireland to marry illegal immigrants over the past two years.

The Latvian authorities are apparently amazed at Ireland's lax controls over arranged or bogus marriages.

Scioch

Problem with those panic buttons is that the alarm doesnt notify the Gardai. It notifies a private security company who then attempt to call to store to determine whether or not its a false alarm, then the notify the Gardai if they get no response. The Gardai probably deal with it as possible incident rather than the wheels screeching something going down response a phones call saying "Being robbed at knife point" would get.

Carazy

25 minutes isn't that long for the Gardai and to be honest if I was stabbed I'd rather have an ambulance come before the Gardai, non-story.

Goat the dote

As an aside do the blood filled syringes "always" contain HIV infected blood or is it just the threat that works?

stovelid

IrishAm wrote: »

At the same time his student visa was about to run out. Remarkable!

Nice.

dodderangler

A few year ago I prob would tackle someone down for doing it but now wih a family and child to care for I wouldn't take the risk of being killed and leavin them behind

IrishAm

stovelid wrote: »

Nice.

Thanks, man.

Gyalist

Goat the dote wrote: »

As an aside do the blood filled syringes "always" contain HIV infected blood or is it just the threat that works?

It's the threat that works. My business was held up once by a guy waving a syringe in the assistant's face.

Goat the dote

Goat the dote wrote: »

As an aside do the blood filled syringes "always" contain HIV infected blood or is it just the threat that works?

I don't think anyone gives a **** what the blood contains, just keep it away from me FFS.

IrishAm

If we had the right to bear arms this sort of sh*t would cease.

Kess73

IrishAm wrote: »

At the same time his student visa was about to run out. Remarkable!

Even if your "claim" is true, who gives a toss. I still bet the shop guy has been a better citizen and contributed more by way of taxes, not being a scumbag etc than the waste of skin criminal who thought it fine to rob a shop and carry a syringe as a weapon.

The only person who should be condemned is the scumbag,

DipStick McSwindler

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hardCopy

IrishAm wrote: »

lol

Regardless of his immigration status, we could do with more people like him in the country. Hard-working civic minded people who won't take sh1t from the local pond-life.

stovelid

Goat the dote wrote: »

As an aside do the blood filled syringes "always" contain HIV infected blood or is it just the threat that works?

Like you're going to risk trying to find just out to save your boss 60 or 70 quid.

Karmafaerie

I work in a shop in Dublin City centre myself.
I'm used to calling the Gardai and having their "15 minutes" taking an hour.
The biscuit was well and truely taken a few week back however when I called about a fairly serious issue, but was told they couldn't send anyone, as Westlife were playing that night.

I didn't know the Gardai were such big fans.:rolleyes:

IrishAm

Kess73 wrote: »

Even if your "claim" is true, who gives a toss. I still bet the shop guy has been a better citizen and contributed more by way of taxes, not being a scumbag etc than the waste of skin criminal who thought it fine to rob a shop and carry a syringe as a weapon.

True. But he is not a citizen of Ireland. And I made my claim purely from looking at the stats.

I'd bet my claim is right, too.

Fuinseog

davet82 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/brave-shop-worker-stabbed-as-he-waited-for-gardai-3186240.html



I can't help think that if the panic button was hit in a bank the responce time would have alot shorter! What would be the expected responce time for incidents like this, anybody know?

The shop is in James Street in Dublin City Centre so I would have persumed it would have been quicker than 25 minutes although it was a Saturday (no time given in the article) and we all know how much time drink related incidents on Saturdays consume garda resources.

Anyways fair play to the chap for tackling this scumbag, I dont think I'd be as brave tbh

i lived in the area and when i rang the guards they were there within 60 seconds.

Donnielighto

IrishAm wrote: »

If we had the right to bear arms this sort of sh*t would cease.

It woudl increase, you really are clueless.

IrishAm

IrishAm wrote: »

If we had the right to bear arms this sort of sh*t would cease.

What like Cease-Fire?
:rolleyes:

augustus gloop

IrishAm wrote: »

At the same time his student visa was about to run out. Remarkable!

your a classy guy, youd fairly kiss his ar$e if he saved you from a situation like being mugged or something. very snide crappy comment.
Our own people can fairly shame us sometimes

IrishAm

augustus gloop wrote: »

your a classy guy, youd fairly kiss his ar$e if he saved you from a situation like being mugged or something. very snide crappy comment.
Our own people can fairly shame us sometimes

I doubt very much some junkball would put it up to me. But if he did, Id welcome him to take his pick of the shops offerings.

DipStick McSwindler

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Sappa

IrishAm wrote: »

Kess73 wrote: »

Even if your "claim" is true, who gives a toss. I still bet the shop guy has been a better citizen and contributed more by way of taxes, not being a scumbag etc than the waste of skin criminal who thought it fine to rob a shop and carry a syringe as a weapon.

True. But he is not a citizen of Ireland. And I made my claim purely from looking at the stats.

I'd bet my claim is right, too.

Who cares if he is not a citizen of Ireland,he is the spouse of an EU national giving him stamp 4 EU family residence here making him a resident of Ireland also a tax payer and by all accounts an all around decent fella who is trying to provide for his family.

Davidth88

Carazy wrote: »

25 minutes isn't that long for the Gardai and to be honest if I was stabbed I'd rather have an ambulance come before the Gardai, non-story.

Actually , if you read the ' non ' story , this poor chap was basically sitting on the would be raider for that time holding him captive. He escaped a couple of mins before the Gardai arrived after he had stabbed the poor man.

IrishAm

feeney92 wrote: »

Ah the oul "It wont happen to me" attitude.....Well I hope the only people around you at the time are foreign people who dont even consider helping you....that'll learn ya!!

Cool. It wouldn't. Junkballs only attack those they perceive to be weak. They are cowards and like bullies in that regard.

IrishAm

IrishAm wrote: »

I doubt very much some junkball would put it up to me. But if he did, Id welcome him to take his pick of the shops offerings.

They don't often rob propaganda shops that are distributing leaflets, so i'd say you and yer tatooed mates are ok.

Gyalist

IrishAm wrote: »

True. But he is not a citizen of Ireland. And I made my claim purely from looking at the stats.

I'd bet my claim is right, too.

So that makes it OK for him to be stabbed by an Irish scumbag?

You've made a couple of specific claims about someone whose name is in the public domain and have absolutely no evidence to back it up.

IrishAm

Gyalist wrote: »

So that makes it OK for him to be stabbed by an Irish scumbag?

You've made a couple of specific claims about someone whose name is in the public domain and have absolutely no evidence to back it up.

Cool. My name is Jay McCann and I am from Tallaght. He can contact me if he wants to sue me for slander.

DipStick McSwindler

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Goro

IrishAm wrote: »

True. But he is not a citizen of Ireland. And I made my claim purely from looking at the stats.

I'd bet my claim is right, too.

After more than 10 years he is of course a citizen of Ireland.

The Spouse of an Irish citizen is entitled to a passport after 3 years living here. Spouse of an EU citizen after 5 years living here must have good record and must have contributed.


Any other legitimate people can get a passport after 5 years if they have worked and proven themselves not to be a burden on the state.

Get your facts right.

IrishAm

Goro wrote: »

After 10 years he is of course a citizen of Ireland.

The Spouse of an Irish citizen is entitled to a passport after 3 years living here. Spouse of an EU citizen after 5 years living here must have good record and must have contributed.


Any other legitimate people can get a passport after 5 years if they have worked and proven themselves not to be a burden on the state.

Get your facts right.

Time spent as a student is not considered. He is not a citizen. Otherwise it would have been mentioned.

Goro

IrishAm wrote: »

Time spent as a student is not considered. He is not a citizen. Otherwise it would have been mentioned.

Your suggesting he has been a student for over 10 years?

It's 9000 euro a year for Non-Eu student fee's.

So he has spent 90k plus studying and works in a spar?

old hippy

IrishAm wrote: »

Time spent as a student is not considered. He is not a citizen. Otherwise it would have been mentioned.

And how has his citizenship details got anything to do with what happened? Shame on you.

mhigh86

I work in a off licence, and on a friday night we had a very drunk guy pick up bottle of vodka, told him he wasn't getting served he tried to run with it, we stoped him and he got voilent and had to hold him in the shop for 35min, we held him in shop because he broke the vodka and a few other things and didn't wont him to get away with it. we had to ring 5 times to the station, on ringing the 3 time, the garda said he hadent been informed about this as he just came on work. some joke..

IrishAm

Goro wrote: »

Your suggesting he has been a student for over 10 years?

It's 9000 euro a year for Non-Eu student fee's.

So he has spent 90k plus studying and works in a spar?

You are the one claiming he is Irish. Not me. I don't know what his fees are.

later12

IrishAm wrote: »

True. But he is not a citizen of Ireland. And I made my claim purely from looking at the stats.

I'd bet my claim is right, too.

IrishAm wrote: »

Time spent as a student is not considered. He is not a citizen. Otherwise it would have been mentioned.

You have no idea what you are talking about. First you said he's a student and his visa is about to expire; that was wrong, because someone else pointed out that he's been married here for 7 years.

You have absolutely no way of knowing whether or not he holds an Irish passport. After 7 years, he may well be a citizen; he would be perfectly entitled to citizenship if he applied for it, but perhaps he prefers not to. He already has full right to reside and work here without a visa.

Some bizarre interventions you've been making on this thread.

mhigh86

mhigh86 wrote: »

I work in a off licence, and on a friday night we had a very drunk guy pick up bottle of vodka, told him he wasn't getting served he tried to run with it, we stoped him and he got voilent and had to hold him in the shop for 35min, we held him in shop because he broke the vodka and a few other things and didn't wont him to get away with it. we had to ring 5 times to the station, on ringing the 3 time, the garda said he hadent been informed about this as he just came on work. some joke..

**** sake.
And you risk your life for 35 mins, that's mental.