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Eating Beef to become a Taboo, I dont think so.

  • 30-07-2012 8:55am
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭


    http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/column-make-no-mistake-it-is-time-to-make-beef-eating-taboo-534978-Jul2012/

    Unbeleivable article, written completly one sidedly with few facts added to back up the outrageous claims..

    Aparrently we should move away from livestock rearing, plant forestry and throw up a few million greenhouses as an alternative..

    The best artguent against livestoock farming??
    “There are no beef-eating heroes in Irish mythology”

    No doubt we should be moving towards more sustainable and less environtmanl impact frmo our beef sectors... but walking away from it to grow salads?? Obviously this guy has never ventured outside the pale..
    This guy is an idiot !


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭ZETOR_IS_BETTER


    An unusual argument alright.

    Some of the comments below the article are gas


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    bbam wrote: »
    This guy is an idiot !

    It's "The Journal", did you expect anything else? Tis a pile of ****e.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭8k2q1gfcz9s5d4


    was it written by these lads? http://www.facebook.com/officialpeta


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭BeeDI


    bbam wrote: »
    http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/column-make-no-mistake-it-is-time-to-make-beef-eating-taboo-534978-Jul2012/

    Unbeleivable article, written completly one sidedly with few facts added to back up the outrageous claims..

    Aparrently we should move away from livestock rearing, plant forestry and throw up a few million greenhouses as an alternative..

    The best artguent against livestoock farming??
    “There are no beef-eating heroes in Irish mythology”

    No doubt we should be moving towards more sustainable and less environtmanl impact frmo our beef sectors... but walking away from it to grow salads?? Obviously this guy has never ventured outside the pale..
    This guy is an idiot !

    I know for a sure fact, that Cu Chulainn, had a big steak dinner, before the great duel with Ferdia, in which Cu Chulainn, prevailed. Ferdia on the other hand, was a vegitarian:cool: He hadn't a hope, against a man with a feed of beef in him:P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 coulagh


    awful craving for a nice juicy steak with all the trimmings after reading that rubbish :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,722 ✭✭✭maidhc


    BeeDI wrote: »
    I know for a sure fact, that Cu Chulainn, had a big steak dinner, before the great duel with Ferdia, in which Cu Chulainn, prevailed. Ferdia on the other hand, was a vegitarian:cool: He hadn't a hope, against a man with a feed of beef in him:P

    How come one of the greatest Irish stories of all time (about a Bull no less) was forgotten?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%A1in_B%C3%B3_C%C3%BAailnge


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,934 ✭✭✭robp


    maidhc wrote: »
    How come one of the greatest Irish stories of all time (about a Bull no less) was forgotten?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%A1in_B%C3%B3_C%C3%BAailnge

    Farming back then would have had a focus on dairy. Much more productive. Pork was preferred compared to beef. Beef certainly wasn't taboo but it was neither very frequent or very desirable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    Bah why even link to that cretinous article, you are only giving it publicity that it shouldn't get.
    This is the slow news season where crap like this gets trotted out to try and pad out the lack of other news.
    His history of articles seems to be composed of stories about not eating beef turkey etc etc.
    Some vegan with a keyboard and an agenda against meat IMHO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭roran


    robp wrote: »
    Farming back then would have had a focus on dairy. Much more productive. Pork was preferred compared to beef. Beef certainly wasn't taboo but it was neither very frequent or very desirable.

    Is this from the horses mouth? ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Beef was and is a rich man's meat. We cannot afford it, period. Nor pork or lamb for that matter.. but even in fairly recent years, a family would raise and feed a pig then eat it.

    So all these articles etc are for us academic...

    But I don't miss meat at all. Feel better without it.

    A lot of the article makes sense too. Unless you are a beef farmer of course.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,722 ✭✭✭maidhc


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Beef was and is a rich man's meat. We cannot afford it, period. Nor pork or lamb for that matter.. but even in fairly recent years, a family would raise and feed a pig then eat it.

    So all these articles etc are for us academic...

    Beef isn't an expensive meat!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    maidhc wrote: »
    Beef isn't an expensive meat!


    ?? way above our means on a small pension... it is very costly indeed. Even when reduced I just cannot buy it. Period.

    NOT EXPENSIVE? jeepers! OK if you are earning maybe but for us impossible to spend that amount on meat.

    Just not possible and has not been for many years.

    Many of us know the same; we hover around the reduced shelves in dunne's and tesco and shake our heads as even reduced it is beyond us.

    Do you not realise how little some of us have to live on?Hence the raising of pigs by poor families.. as for bacon! Never see that now here.

    I am used to it now and don't mind.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭Juniorhurler


    Graces7 wrote: »
    ?? way above our means on a small pension... it is very costly indeed. Even when reduced I just cannot buy it. Period.

    NOT EXPENSIVE? jeepers! OK if you are earning maybe but for us impossible to spend that amount on meat.

    Just not possible and has not been for many years.

    Many of us know the same; we hover around the reduced shelves in dunne's and tesco and shake our heads as even reduced it is beyond us.

    Do you not realise how little some of us have to live on?Hence the raising of pigs by poor families.. as for bacon! Never see that now here.

    I am used to it now and don't mind.

    If things are that bad there I'd get out of gods pocket. Syria even sounds better than that at the moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭jd


    Graces7 wrote: »

    NOT EXPENSIVE? jeepers! OK if you are earning maybe but for us impossible to spend that amount on meat.

    You can pick up a pound and a half of stewing beef for a fiver in Aldi. You could surely make a stew made from that go a long way ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭moy83


    What is the best value or money meat that you are buying graces7 ? I often think the supermarkets are selling meat too cheaply considering the effort it takes to get an animal to slaughter


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    moy83 wrote: »
    What is the best value or money meat that you are buying graces7 ? I often think the supermarkets are selling meat too cheaply considering the effort it takes to get an animal to slaughter

    http://www.aldi.ie/ie/html/product_range/fresh_irish_meat_17774.htm

    http://www.lidl.ie/cps/rde/xchg/SID-0F99987C-B11F5539/lidl_ri_ie/hs.xsl/4182_23101.htm

    http://www.dunnesstores.ie/groceryleaflet/

    http://supervalu.ie/offers/all-offers/

    Am leaving out one particular large Supermarket as I think they're they Devil incarnate :D

    Below, though I haven't properly looked at it, is a possibly good website... How's that for a recommendation :D

    http://www.cheapeats.ie/

    Bord Bia have a truly excellent recipe section, but one major gripe I have with it is that while extremely tasty, they're anything but cheap, or even reasonable if you need to buy most or all ingredients.

    http://www.bordbia.ie/aboutfood/recipes/pages/recipehome.aspx


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,807 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    I must say that ALDI's vacum packed Irish Angus striploins are to die for!! - had one tonight with waffles,asparagus,sweetcorn, ballymaloe relish = pure heaven:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭PucaMama


    Graces7 wrote: »
    ?? way above our means on a small pension... it is very costly indeed. Even when reduced I just cannot buy it. Period.

    NOT EXPENSIVE? jeepers! OK if you are earning maybe but for us impossible to spend that amount on meat.

    Just not possible and has not been for many years.

    Many of us know the same; we hover around the reduced shelves in dunne's and tesco and shake our heads as even reduced it is beyond us.

    Do you not realise how little some of us have to live on?Hence the raising of pigs by poor families.. as for bacon! Never see that now here.

    I am used to it now and don't mind.

    Funny how you have enough money to pay for using the internet. Money for talking sh1te, but no money to eat!!:rolleyes:
    Chicken and fish is healthier and cheaper. And u can have internet for 20euro a month anyway so why not?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭couldntthink


    PucaMama wrote: »
    Chicken and fish is healthier and cheaper. And u can have internet for 20euro a month anyway so why not?

    That obviously went straight over your head.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭PucaMama


    PucaMama wrote: »
    Chicken and fish is healthier and cheaper. And u can have internet for 20euro a month anyway so why not?

    That obviously went straight over your head.
    No. They make a good point. Beef is to expensive.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    As much as I would like to say something bout it I'm too busy eating a 1/4 pounder and enjoying it way too much To care :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭reilig


    PucaMama wrote: »
    Chicken and fish is healthier and cheaper. And u can have internet for 20euro a month anyway so why not?
    No. They make a good point. Beef is to expensive.

    Chicken is cheap because a chicken that you buy in the supermarket goes from egg to your oven in 6 weeks. These chicks are battery fed. ie force fed in a hot environment. They are pumped with meal and antibiotics and never even see daylight. 15% of them don't even live for the 6 weeks and are just dumped. When they are slaughtered, they are pumped with brine to fill them out and to try to tempt some poor unsuspecting shopper to buy them. This can't be healthy for humans.

    Beef is grass reared in Ireland. Try buying a free range chicken - not just a chicken that has free range punched on the pack, but a proper chicken that has been let run free in grass, pick slugs, feed on natural unprocessed grains and grown for 6 months instead of 6 weeks. The difference in taste between the two in unbelievable. You will soon realise that the "cheap chicken" that you were buying is not chicken at all. But compare the price too - your €4.99 battery fed chicken becomes a €15.99 free range chicken - meaning that chicken is no longer cheap.

    I buy fish twice a week and lb for lb, it is more expensive than beef!!!!

    The reality is that you pay for what you get!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    had 7 year old niece over for sleepover last night, did burgers and chips for tea- these where yummy marks and spencer burgers- she said she never had a burger before:eek::eek::eek: my kids couldnt believe it, she ate every single bit:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭bbam


    whelan1 wrote: »
    had 7 year old niece over for sleepover last night, did burgers and chips for tea- these where yummy marks and spencer burgers- she said she never had a burger before:eek::eek::eek: my kids couldnt believe it, she ate every single bit:D

    I like it..
    Another converted to meat and a well fed child !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭pakalasa


    All this talk of STEAK is making me hungry !!!!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 521 ✭✭✭Atilathehun


    reilig wrote: »
    PucaMama wrote: »
    Chicken and fish is healthier and cheaper. And u can have internet for 20euro a month anyway so why not?
    No. They make a good point. Beef is to expensive.

    Chicken is cheap because a chicken that you buy in the supermarket goes from egg to your oven in 6 weeks. These chicks are battery fed. ie force fed in a hot environment. They are pumped with meal and antibiotics and never even see daylight. 15% of them don't even live for the 6 weeks and are just dumped. When they are slaughtered, they are pumped with brine to fill them out and to try to tempt some poor unsuspecting shopper to buy them. This can't be healthy for humans.

    Beef is grass reared in Ireland. Try buying a free range chicken - not just a chicken that has free range punched on the pack, but a proper chicken that has been let run free in grass, pick slugs, feed on natural unprocessed grains and grown for 6 months instead of 6 weeks. The difference in taste between the two in unbelievable. You will soon realise that the "cheap chicken" that you were buying is not chicken at all. But compare the price too - your €4.99 battery fed chicken becomes a €15.99 free range chicken - meaning that chicken is no longer cheap.

    I buy fish twice a week and lb for lb, it is more expensive than beef!!!!

    The reality is that you pay for what you get!!

    I was at the mart today. Sold a few weanlings. Prices back a good bit. Anyway on my way out, looked for the guy normally at the mart selling meat from his refrigerator van. Not there.
    So went instead to the guy selling fish. Fillets of whiting, caught yesterday in Castletownbere, €11 per kg.
    As I said to your man, a bit of fish is nice, but there is far more feeding € for € in a bit of beef, or bacon!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Bizzum


    reilig wrote: »
    Chicken is cheap because a chicken that you buy in the supermarket goes from egg to your oven in 6 weeks. These chicks are battery fed. ie force fed in a hot environment. They are pumped with meal and antibiotics and never even see daylight. 15% of them don't even live for the 6 weeks and are just dumped. When they are slaughtered, they are pumped with brine to fill them out and to try to tempt some poor unsuspecting shopper to buy them. This can't be healthy for humans.

    Beef is grass reared in Ireland. Try buying a free range chicken - not just a chicken that has free range punched on the pack, but a proper chicken that has been let run free in grass, pick slugs, feed on natural unprocessed grains and grown for 6 months instead of 6 weeks. The difference in taste between the two in unbelievable. You will soon realise that the "cheap chicken" that you were buying is not chicken at all. But compare the price too - your €4.99 battery fed chicken becomes a €15.99 free range chicken - meaning that chicken is no longer cheap.

    This is it exactly in a nutshell.

    What astounds me is the number of younger families I know turning their noses up at beef and lorrying chicken into their kids.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,934 ✭✭✭robp


    roran wrote: »


    Is this from the horses mouth? ;)

    I hear where your coming from but they did write. Texts like the Crith Gablach give the ratios of cows to bull and oxen so its clear enough dairy was the big thing. In the sagas their always going on out the Hero’s Portion of the roast pork. A lot of prestige attached to roast pork.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,716 ✭✭✭1chippy


    robp wrote: »
    I hear where your coming from but they did write. Texts like the Crith Gablach give the ratios of cows to bull and oxen so its clear enough dairy was the big thing. In the sagas their always going on out the Hero’s Portion of the roast pork. A lot of prestige attached to roast pork.

    WHAT?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭roran


    robp wrote: »
    I hear where your coming from but they did write. Texts like the Crith Gablach give the ratios of cows to bull and oxen so its clear enough dairy was the big thing. In the sagas their always going on out the Hero’s Portion of the roast pork. A lot of prestige attached to roast pork.
    1chippy wrote: »
    WHAT?

    Methinks tis the Gobán Saor :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 521 ✭✭✭Atilathehun


    roran wrote: »
    robp wrote: »
    I hear where your coming from but they did write. Texts like the Crith Gablach give the ratios of cows to bull and oxen so its clear enough dairy was the big thing. In the sagas their always going on out the Hero’s Portion of the roast pork. A lot of prestige attached to roast pork.
    1chippy wrote: »
    WHAT?

    Methinks tis the Gobán Saor :confused:

    Micheart, a mhac! It's the Bodach an Chota Lachna!!! He played full back for the Fir Bolag!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Funny how you have enough money to pay for using the internet. Money for talking sh1te, but no money to eat!!:rolleyes:

    Interesting and telling that rather than talk intelligently and sensibly, you revert to insults and gibes that achieve nothing.

    As I am often houseboiund and indeed bedbound, the internet is a wonderful resource. FYI, I get all phone calls and internet access for E10 a week . The simple laptop was a gift too..

    Cheaper than travel , shoe leather, petrol etcc.
    I keep in touch with friends around the world, read, watch films, get knitting patterns etc, all without leaving my bed.

    And by reading around issues, I get a wide picture of the situation.

    Not this kind of blind prejudice .

    Meat is not essential of course. Of course I eat, but carefully so.

    Ask most pensioners re meat; they often raise their eyes to heaven.

    Clearly you feel threatened...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Bizzum wrote: »
    This is it exactly in a nutshell.

    What astounds me is the number of younger families I know turning their noses up at beef and lorrying chicken into their kids.

    Because of the cost, period. Not a matter of choice these days. You need to get in touch with realities, please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    robp wrote: »
    I hear where your coming from but they did write. Texts like the Crith Gablach give the ratios of cows to bull and oxen so its clear enough dairy was the big thing. In the sagas their always going on out the Hero’s Portion of the roast pork. A lot of prestige attached to roast pork.

    You are totally right of course but most Irish have no idea of their own history.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    moy83 wrote: »
    What is the best value or money meat that you are buying graces7 ? I often think the supermarkets are selling meat too cheaply considering the effort it takes to get an animal to slaughter

    I dont buy meat any more.

    Very rarely a pack of mince if it is reduced.

    Even more rarely a pack of bacon bits. You know, the mis shapes they sell at LIDL.

    And yes, I know re the time it takes etc; surrounded by cattle here.
    The landlord gave us a piece of beef at Christmas which lasted well ... But I honestly feel better with the diet I have now.

    I don't enjoy meat any more to be honest. And fish costs too much too. We trade at street markets to support family working with abandoned babies in India and the homeless in Dublin etc and sometimes the fishman has too much left over and gives us some.

    I would rather feed a baby who has nothing than spend more than I need on any foods etc. Personal choice.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    bbam wrote: »
    I like it..
    Another converted to meat and a well fed child !


    A new religion here? :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    reilig wrote: »
    Chicken is cheap because a chicken that you buy in the supermarket goes from egg to your oven in 6 weeks. These chicks are battery fed. ie force fed in a hot environment. They are pumped with meal and antibiotics and never even see daylight. 15% of them don't even live for the 6 weeks and are just dumped. When they are slaughtered, they are pumped with brine to fill them out and to try to tempt some poor unsuspecting shopper to buy them. This can't be healthy for humans.

    Beef is grass reared in Ireland. Try buying a free range chicken - not just a chicken that has free range punched on the pack, but a proper chicken that has been let run free in grass, pick slugs, feed on natural unprocessed grains and grown for 6 months instead of 6 weeks. The difference in taste between the two in unbelievable. You will soon realise that the "cheap chicken" that you were buying is not chicken at all. But compare the price too - your €4.99 battery fed chicken becomes a €15.99 free range chicken - meaning that chicken is no longer cheap.

    I buy fish twice a week and lb for lb, it is more expensive than beef!!!!

    The reality is that you pay for what you get!!

    You need to read regulations re chicken rearing.. and labelling too. A Moy park free range chicken yesterday at Tesco was E5

    Yes you pay for what you get ; no one here is disputing that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Because of the cost, period. Not a matter of choice these days. You need to get in touch with realities, please.
    i get 10 pound of steak mince for €15, in the butchers.... put it into bags of around 3/4 of a pound... does us for ages....this is real mince no fat off it when cooked.....10 steakburgers €5 .... i see some butchers selling mince for €4or 5 euro a pound and its crap... really have to shop around to get the best deal... this butcher also does fantastic t bone steaks which we buy for special occassions, a real treat:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    pakalasa wrote: »
    All this talk of STEAK is making me hungry !!!!!!!

    Well enjoy it then...

    And I mean that sincerely.

    Reading this thread is interesting. The only anger etc is coming from those who think we should all buy and eat meat?

    I have no... beef,,, with anyone re their food choices. Why should it worry anyone that some of us think differently?

    If you want to eat meat, fine.. Enjoy it!

    I don;t and I cannot afford it so that is fine too? Apparently not.. Ah well...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭reilig


    I think the point that people are trying to get across to you is that your decision to avoid meat because of your perceived price of it is false economy. Albeit, one or 2 people got a little carried away.

    However, your choice of Moy Park Chicken for E5 over whelan's example of 10 steak burgers for E5 is definitely something that you should look at - perhaps after all, you will find that beef is not out of your price range.

    Personally I have a strong dislike of chicken. This is from growing up around chicken farms and slaughtering facilities. Any chicken that can go from egg to oven in 6 weeks cannot be healthy for humans - that's 42 days from an egg to an edible chicken. No wonder they can sell it for E5.

    I have seen chickens injected with brine to puff them out. If consumers saw what was happening, they wouldn't eat a lot of chicken.

    I have also tasted chicken that has been properly reared and the difference in taste is immence - but I do know the cost of one of these is greater than beef.

    As you said, there are regulations about chicken rearing and packing. I am quite aware of what these regs are - that's why I don't buy ordinary chicken, but the ordinary consumer would do well to do more research into them.

    There was a great channel 4 documentary a few years back on the regulations. It was done by Hugh Fernley Wittingston (the guy off river cottage) and Jamie Oliver. Its well worth a look - you could probably find it on the Channel 4 website.
    Graces7 wrote: »
    Well enjoy it then...

    And I mean that sincerely.

    Reading this thread is interesting. The only anger etc is coming from those who think we should all buy and eat meat?

    I have no... beef,,, with anyone re their food choices. Why should it worry anyone that some of us think differently?

    If you want to eat meat, fine.. Enjoy it!

    I don;t and I cannot afford it so that is fine too? Apparently not.. Ah well...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭roran


    Funny how you have enough money to pay for using the internet. Money for talking sh1te, but no money to eat!!rolleyes.gif
    Graces7 wrote: »
    Interesting and telling that rather than talk intelligently and sensibly, you revert to insults and gibes that achieve nothing.

    As I am often houseboiund and indeed bedbound, the internet is a wonderful resource. FYI, I get all phone calls and internet access for E10 a week . The simple laptop was a gift too..

    Cheaper than travel , shoe leather, petrol etcc.
    I keep in touch with friends around the world, read, watch films, get knitting patterns etc, all without leaving my bed.

    And by reading around issues, I get a wide picture of the situation.

    Not this kind of blind prejudice .

    Meat is not essential of course. Of course I eat, but carefully so.

    Ask most pensioners re meat; they often raise their eyes to heaven.

    Clearly you feel threatened...


    I am sorry for your ill-health and although I am not yet a pensioner, I am well on my way to being one. I put my current state of health down to an active and healthy lifestyle, including what I eat...and yes, I may not be eating as much beef now as I did in my younger days, I can still manage on €5.00 and make enough for 3 days at a time!
    Not expensive Graces7 if you really try.
    I know plenty of people who complain about prices, as you say yourself: "Cheaper than travel , shoe leather, petrol etcc". It is relatively expensive to farm today, without the middle-men taking their cut before the prices that you see on the shop shelf.
    I do have a son who is vegetarian, so I am well aware of the differences of opinion and I find that while I have no problem with (mature) individuals choosing which foods they wish to eat, I do get wearisome of those who rant on about 'blind prejudice' and intolerance to me, a meat eater.
    I am also well aware that even at my age, I am still learning...but I generally sense myself when that is occurring - but don't tell anyone! ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭kerryjack


    Funny how you have enough money to pay for using the internet. Money for talking sh1te, but no money to eat!!:rolleyes:

    Maybe instead of insulting one of our customers you should try to explain to her the cost of producing top quality beef


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭kerryjack


    roran wrote: »
    I am sorry for your ill-health and although I am not yet a pensioner, I am well on my way to being one. I put my current state of health down to an active and healthy lifestyle, including what I eat...and yes, I may not be eating as much beef now as I did in my younger days, I can still manage on €5.00 and make enough for 3 days at a time!
    Not expensive Graces7 if you really try.
    I know plenty of people who complain about prices, as you say yourself: "Cheaper than travel , shoe leather, petrol etcc". It is relatively expensive to farm today, without the middle-men taking their cut before the prices that you see on the shop shelf.
    I do have a son who is vegetarian, so I am well aware of the differences of opinion and I find that while I have no problem with (mature) individuals choosing which foods they wish to eat, I do get wearisome of those who rant on about 'blind prejudice' and intolerance to me, a meat eater.
    I am also well aware that even at my age, I am still learning...but I generally sense myself when that is occurring - but don't tell anyone! ;)

    I could not put it better myself ,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    roran wrote: »
    I am sorry for your ill-health and although I am not yet a pensioner, I am well on my way to being one. I put my current state of health down to an active and healthy lifestyle, including what I eat...and yes, I may not be eating as much beef now as I did in my younger days, I can still manage on €5.00 and make enough for 3 days at a time!
    Not expensive Graces7 if you really try.
    I know plenty of people who complain about prices, as you say yourself: "Cheaper than travel , shoe leather, petrol etcc". It is relatively expensive to farm today, without the middle-men taking their cut before the prices that you see on the shop shelf.
    I do have a son who is vegetarian, so I am well aware of the differences of opinion and I find that while I have no problem with (mature) individuals choosing which foods they wish to eat, I do get wearisome of those who rant on about 'blind prejudice' and intolerance to me, a meat eater.
    I am also well aware that even at my age, I am still learning...but I generally sense myself when that is occurring - but don't tell anyone! ;)

    Please stop attributing to me what others think and do... eg being vegetarian and not knowing what i am talking about!

    REALLY!

    There is intolerance here to those who choose for whatever reason not to buy meat. Whether from cost or convenience or idealism.

    I am not disputing any of you for eating meat.

    ( I don;t drink or smoke either or eat out...)

    I don't rant re not eating meat; YOUR choice and my choice is different.
    Nor do I try to make our rescue dogs and cats vegetarian.

    The insinuation here also that ill health is connected with not eating meat? When I first contracted an incurable illness I was eating meat. Not a huge amount and lamb more than beef as I lived where that was locally grown.

    And I feel better and have more energy for the way I eat.

    Over the years I have changed; and this happens with age too. I am OLD! This illness also means I cannot eat big meals and in fact I graze. And eat well, within limits.

    I have lost the taste for red meat; the cost is an issue also. For E5 I can buy 6 free range eggs ( supporting a local market stall) and a large piece of cheese, which I enjoy far, far more than a piece of meat and over a longer period.

    I found too that eating even a small amount of meat made me heavy and lethargic.
    NB I gave the last beef given to the dogs as I just could not eat it. Again; this happens as we age.

    There are a great number of foods I cannot eat with this illness and usually an aversion means that that food also has joined that list

    I have training as a dietician so I do know what i am about on this matter. And am widely read re this illness.

    Not impressed with the likes of the Hugh man either. I know the theory well,

    NB small point re cattle; they feed them from bags here.. Not solely grass reared.

    I find it very odd at markets when the pork sellers have pictures of them cuddling their pigs.... Which they then kill.. Death is a trauma however inflicted.

    Strange that a group has as its major argument that other foods are badly reared.. you need to do some dietary assessments of even battery chickens. I eat very little chicken now either so please think before trying to put me off even that!!!

    And I do know the methods and the way forward is to improve these.

    As I know also the way many cattle are treated at slaughter houses and the terror any animal feels nearing death.

    The field we abut now has this year's calves in it;; beautiful young critters with big ear rings.. it is an added pleasure that I will never eat them. I can chat to them and even pet them. ;)

    Blessings and peace to all here.. today, white fish and home grown potatoes and greens; a free lunch as the fish was a gift and actually fish ahs far more protein etc than beef and less fat etc. Low cholesterol too ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    kerryjack wrote: »
    Maybe instead of insulting one of our customers you should try to explain to her the cost of producing top quality beef

    Again, please do not treat me as an ignoramus! What an insult...I do know and I am not arguing that meat should be cheaper.. again, please do not attribute what others think and say to me..
    When did I actually complain that it is over priced?

    It is simply above my means. Period


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Graces7 wrote: »

    Period

    Beef is good for the ould iron levels as well I hear....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭reilig


    Graces7

    I think you are getting a little bit carried away.

    This is the farming and forestry forum, nothing else.

    People were giving their own experiences to you in the belief that it might be relevant to you. You only offered information about your age and illness after these people offered their experience to you.

    Nobody insinuated that not eating meat could contribute in any way to an illness - in fact, its quite the opposite when roran pointed out the health of people who are meat eaters and people who are vegetarians.

    You pointed out about meat in your earlier post:
    ?? way above our means on a small pension... it is very costly indeed

    But in a subsequent post, you pointed out that people are feeding chicken to their children because of the cost:
    Because of the cost, period. Not a matter of choice these days. You need to get in touch with realities, please

    However, you were put in touch with the reality that chicken is a false economy in comparison.

    You have pointed out your age, your long term illness and your charitable side - none of which are relevant to the topic. However, as you pointed out, you are entitled to have your opinion. So is everyone else. This is a discussion board which allows any registered user to give their opinion on the opening post and on your posts. Please don't feel aggrieved that people offer their views. That is what the forum is about.

    Reilig


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Please stop attributing to me what others think and do... eg being vegetarian and not knowing what i am talking about!

    REALLY!

    There is intolerance here to those who choose for whatever reason not to buy meat. Whether from cost or convenience or idealism.

    I am not disputing any of you for eating meat.

    ( I don;t drink or smoke either or eat out...)

    I don't rant re not eating meat; YOUR choice and my choice is different.
    Nor do I try to make our rescue dogs and cats vegetarian.

    The insinuation here also that ill health is connected with not eating meat? When I first contracted an incurable illness I was eating meat. Not a huge amount and lamb more than beef as I lived where that was locally grown.

    And I feel better and have more energy for the way I eat.

    Over the years I have changed; and this happens with age too. I am OLD! This illness also means I cannot eat big meals and in fact I graze. And eat well, within limits.

    I have lost the taste for red meat; the cost is an issue also. For E5 I can buy 6 free range eggs ( supporting a local market stall) and a large piece of cheese, which I enjoy far, far more than a piece of meat and over a longer period.

    I found too that eating even a small amount of meat made me heavy and lethargic.
    NB I gave the last beef given to the dogs as I just could not eat it. Again; this happens as we age.

    There are a great number of foods I cannot eat with this illness and usually an aversion means that that food also has joined that list

    I have training as a dietician so I do know what i am about on this matter. And am widely read re this illness.

    Not impressed with the likes of the Hugh man either. I know the theory well,

    NB small point re cattle; they feed them from bags here.. Not solely grass reared.

    I find it very odd at markets when the pork sellers have pictures of them cuddling their pigs.... Which they then kill.. Death is a trauma however inflicted.

    Strange that a group has as its major argument that other foods are badly reared.. you need to do some dietary assessments of even battery chickens. I eat very little chicken now either so please think before trying to put me off even that!!!

    And I do know the methods and the way forward is to improve these.

    As I know also the way many cattle are treated at slaughter houses and the terror any animal feels nearing death.

    The field we abut now has this year's calves in it;; beautiful young critters with big ear rings.. it is an added pleasure that I will never eat them. I can chat to them and even pet them. ;)

    Blessings and peace to all here.. today, white fish and home grown potatoes and greens; a free lunch as the fish was a gift and actually fish ahs far more protein etc than beef and less fat etc. Low cholesterol too ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    mikom wrote: »
    Beef is good for the ould iron levels as well I hear....


    Egg yolks and dark leafy greens are even better... ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    reilig wrote: »
    Graces7

    I think you are getting a little bit carried away.

    This is the farming and forestry forum, nothing else.

    People were giving their own experiences to you in the belief that it might be relevant to you. You only offered information about your age and illness after these people offered their experience to you.

    Nobody insinuated that not eating meat could contribute in any way to an illness - in fact, its quite the opposite when roran pointed out the health of people who are meat eaters and people who are vegetarians.

    You pointed out about meat in your earlier post:



    But in a subsequent post, you pointed out that people are feeding chicken to their children because of the cost:

    However, you were put in touch with the reality that chicken is a false economy in comparison.

    You have pointed out your age, your long term illness and your charitable side - none of which are relevant to the topic. However, as you pointed out, you are entitled to have your opinion. So is everyone else. This is a discussion board which allows any registered user to give their opinion on the opening post and on your posts. Please don't feel aggrieved that people offer their views. That is what the forum is about.

    Reilig

    Bolded, it is not true.. food values are not affected by taste.

    Interesting that you mail this and not the bad language used previously.. and noa aggrieved at all at all.... There are ways to reply and scorn is not one of them.

    Blessings and peace


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭reilig


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Bolded, it is not true.. food values are not affected by taste.

    This was what you wrote in your post.
    Because of the cost, period. Not a matter of choice these days. You need to get in touch with realities, please

    As you can see, the post with the bad language was deleted this morning when it was reported to me. This is my job.

    I did not scorn you or anything that you posted!!


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