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Detail on Samsung ES6300 as Freesat+Saorview+PVR+Smart TV

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Gwynston


    Phibsboro wrote: »
    http://www.hdtv-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Samsung-46ES7000_remote-controls.jpg

    Having said that, the normal remote on the right has a history button! Oh!

    Yeah, that 8000 remote has the History button where the 6300 has the "Pre Ch" button:
    http://www.ebay.ie/itm/New-Genuine-Samsung-UE46ES6300UXXU-TV-Remote-Control-/280938864612?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_Video_RemoteControls&hash=item416942dfe4

    I haven't played with it much, but I think it just goes to the Previous Channel on the current tuner. e.g. I don't think if you change tuner, then press "Pre Ch" that it will switch back tuners. I'll try tonight.

    I can't remember if when you press it twice it just toggles between previous and next (i.e. back again), or whether it keeps going back through a list of previous channels.

    Has anyone tried the Samsung remote control app for smartphones? Does that have any extra features that would help here?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Gwynston


    OK, so now I'm home I realise the 6300 remote actually has a useless "Family Story" button where History is for 8000 owners. Some Internet thing?

    The "Pre Ch" button is up near the number pad, and as I suspected just toggles between the previous and current channel on the current tuner. As soon as you switch tuners, the memory is reset until you change channels on that tuner.

    I tried the smartphone Remote Control app and while it depicts some interesting sounding alternative "buttons", anything that's not on the standard remote seems to pop up "Not available" on the TV.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26 CWest


    The information from fellow posters clinched it and I bought one of these TV's a couple of weeks ago. So I'll post my own answers to the questions - and afew other bits and pieces of detail too.

    First by way of backdrop... my setup is using the following...
    Aerials: Satellite (Freesat) + UHF Aerial (for Saorview)
    Other sources: Philips DVD + WiFi connectivity to my PC (which is running Allshare for playing video files) + HDD added to the TV
    I set the TV with a UK postcode and also confirm this gives full Freesat (i.e. with the advantages over FTA)

    1. TV as a PVR
    I have 500Gb Lacie Rikiki TV HDD installed (this is very neat, no extra power supply and connects very neatly to the back of the drive.) This is very queit (almost silent), draws all its power from the TV USB port (i.e. the only cable going into the HDD box is the USB cable).
    - Yes, you can set recording schedules just at the press of button when browsing the EPG.
    - If the show is part of a series you can opt to record the series or just that episode
    - Don't know yet if it is clever enough to move the recording slot if the schedule for the programme changes week to week?? (hoping this may be possible since it appears to be driven from the EPG)
    - Yes, you can watch Terrestrial whilst recording with the other (satellite) tuner - and vice versa?

    2. Playback of video files
    My experience is very good when playing back video files and I can confirm first hand for the following formats: AVI, MKV, TS, MP4
    Only format that hasn't played for me are old WMV files - which to be honest is a format I haven't seen in several years.

    3. Any downside (re. ireland) when setup for Freesat (with UK postcode)?
    Only downsides I've seen of telling the TV that it is in the UK are:
    1) Saorview channels need to be ordered (a 5min one off job - as detailed elsewhere in this thread)
    2) The "Freeview" logo appears on the Saorview EPG (and yes you get get the full Saorview EPG, Teletext, etc.)

    The RTE Player App. runs very well - and actually encourages me to use RTE Player (the Samsung app on the TV is better than the web version of Player from a PC).


    4. WiFi performance
    I've played HD MKV video files over Wifi from my PC without any issue.
    Only thing to be aware of is that WiFi bandwidth is finite - no problem playing HD video but when I also threw a 1Mb/sec file copy over the network for other unrelated reasons then the video needed to buffer every few minutes. Nothing to do with the TV - just a limitation of WiFi - but simple to avoid!

    5. Other....
    Keyboards & Mice...
    I've had a brief attempt to setup a keyboard and mouse with the smart TV. I've tried a standard PC wireless pointer and that works fine - so I'm going to consider buying a standard wireless PC keyboard.

    Controls and Network Sharing...
    I already had a UPnP device running (to play music files from my PC on the HiFi) and the Samsung network sharing is all based on UPnP. AllShare is the software they provide but I have also used Windows Media Player with sharing enabled and the TV picks that up too. Similarly my old Nokia E51 has a UPnP app. on it and that will allow me to browse my media library on my PC and then play it on the TV (using the phone to search the media library, play/pause/stop and control volume levels).

    Overall I can't find fault with the capabilities and features of the TV and I'm very pleased with it.

    Hope this helps.
    CW


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Gwynston


    CWest wrote: »
    - Don't know yet if it is clever enough to move the recording slot if the schedule for the programme changes week to week?? (hoping this may be possible since it appears to be driven from the EPG)

    I'm not 100% sure about this either, but it looks likely it will work. e.g. I've noticed that if you're watching another channel, about 10 mins before a scheduled recording starts, it asks if you want to switch to that channel early in order to check if the schedule has changed. So that bodes well for how "clever" the PVR functionality is.

    Overall, I've been quite impressed with the recording features so far, albeit within the limitations imposed by only having one sat feed.
    CWest wrote: »
    - Yes, you can watch Terrestrial whilst recording with the other (satellite) tuner - and vice versa?

    Oh really? How do you do that?
    I don't have an aerial feed for Saorview, just a co-ax cable from the Sky box in another room plus the sat cable. So to switch between them, I need to press "Ch List", then "Red" to switch between Freesat and Air. That's the same for you switching between Freesat and Saorview, right?

    However, when a recording is happening the "Red" option is missing when in "Ch List". And if I'm watching Air (the Sky co-ax feed) and a scheduled recording is coming up, it seems to want to switch to Freesat. I haven't tried stopping it do that yet, for fear of messing up my recording.

    One more question - is there an easy way to get to the list of recorded programs? The only way I've found is as follows:

    - Press "Guide"
    - Select "All Channels"
    - Select "Sche. Mgr" (red button)
    - Cursor down to select the recorded programs list
    - Wait 2 or 3 seconds for index to load
    - Select program to watch

    A bit laborious....


  • Registered Users Posts: 26 CWest


    Gwynston is quite correct - I've gone back and double checked myself and I must correct my post.

    When recording - just like Gwynston says - the option to switch aerials is removed. So you cannot, say, watch BBC1 whilst recording RTE2.

    What you can do however is...
    When recording 1 Saorview channel you can switch to watch any other Saorview channel. BUT ONLY when using the Saorview/Terrestrial Aerial
    (and I had experienced this and then incorrectly thought this applied for all channels)

    What the TV doesn't do...
    I cannot switch to watch a Freesat channel whilst recording Saorview.
    Also when I'm recording a Freesat channel I cannot switch to watch a different Freesat channel.

    So the answer to my original question re. recording 1 channel and watching another channel is actually not a simple yes or no!!

    CW


  • Registered Users Posts: 26 CWest


    To answer Gwynston's 2nd question.
    Gwynston wrote: »
    One more question - is there an easy way to get to the list of recorded programs? The only way I've found is as follows:

    - Press "Guide"
    - Select "All Channels"
    - Select "Sche. Mgr" (red button)
    - Cursor down to select the recorded programs list
    - Wait 2 or 3 seconds for index to load
    - Select program to watch

    A bit laborious....

    I'm using a different route to gain access to recorded programmes as follows:

    Option 1 -
    -use "source" on the remote to select the HDD,
    this will bring you straight to that device and list all TV recordings on it.

    Option 2 -
    Another option is using the AllShare menu within the Smart Menu to see all my "files" - (this option is more relevant when I'm browsing between my library of files, someone of which are on the PC, some the HDD and others potentially on a USB key)
    - goto the Smart Menu
    - then Select AllShare
    - the "recorded TV" option provides access to the library of recorded TV programs

    Hope this helps
    CW


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Gwynston


    CWest wrote: »
    Also when I'm recording a Freesat channel I cannot switch to watch a different Freesat channel.

    I think this is actually possible, but ONLY for channels on the same satellite transponder as the one you're watching. When you press "Ch List" while a recording is happening, you'll see most of the channels in a darker colour, which if you select will prompt a warning that doing so will stop the current recording. However, there might be some channels still showing in the usual brighter colour which are on the same transponder, so can be watched without affecting the recording.

    In practice, the choice is limited - I think I remember seeing when recording ITV1 that ITV2 might have been the only other channel available on that transponder. But it's good to know that with Saorview (I've yet to set it up as I don't have an aerial) you can record one channel while watching the other.

    And I've also found a quicker way to get to the saved programs. Just press Smart, and there's an icon there for direct access to the scheduler!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,044 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    In practice, the choice is limited - I think I remember seeing when recording ITV1 that ITV2 might have been the only other channel available on that transponder. But it's good to know that with Saorview (I've yet to set it up as I don't have an aerial) you can record one channel while watching the other.

    The tuner will show what is on one mux ..... so if Saorview ever starts up the second mux you will have the same limitation as with the Sat transponder.

    I reckon any proper PVR approved device will need two tuners for both Sat & DTT.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭Poll Dubh


    Nedved85 wrote: »
    Also does the 6300 TV not have a history button? The 8000 series does and allows simple changing over and back from Saorview to Freesat channels previously watched (aswell as other apps etc) with the press of the History followed by select button.

    The 6800 TV has recent history according to the samsung spec (see under smart content). It also has a different remote to the 6300. Though the 6800 model costs around €150 more than the 6300.

    Teletext:
    Does teletext still work for the Irish channels when you have the tv set to UK?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8 rleahy


    CWest wrote: »
    What the TV doesn't do...
    I cannot switch to watch a Freesat channel whilst recording Saorview.
    Also when I'm recording a Freesat channel I cannot switch to watch a different Freesat channel.

    So the answer to my original question re. recording 1 channel and watching another channel is actually not a simple yes or no!!

    CW

    I am thinking of getting one of these TV's but want to be able to watch any other programme while recording any programme - if I connect a combi box like the Triax TR 114, I would have 2*sattelite and 2*DTT tuners can anyone speculate as to whether this would this work or not?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭Phibsboro


    rleahy wrote: »
    I am thinking of getting one of these TV's but want to be able to watch any other programme while recording any programme - if I connect a combi box like the Triax TR 114, I would have 2*sattelite and 2*DTT tuners can anyone speculate as to whether this would this work or not?

    It would of course, just set the TV to do the recording then switch to what ever HDMI input you have your combo box on to continue watching. Obviously you'll need a separate LNB for the sat bit of the combo box and you'll be in the combo boxes own UI - so no lovely Freesat EPG! Also, again obviously, the TV will know nothing of your box so you can't schedule recordings to take place on the box (i.e. you can't have two recordings at the same time, unless of course your combo box has its own recording facilities).


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 rleahy


    Thanks for the info, sounds like I would need 2*HDD's to be able to record two programmes at once? either that or connect a Vu+ Ultimo (has 3 tuners) for recording and just use the TV tuners for watching TV.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭vince


    hi im thinking of getting the ue37es5500 model as its dropped to 649 euro is this a good bye and good valu thanks i have freesat already just need saorveiw and txt and what will i neeed to record onto ie harddrive. i am fussy about having a good picture is 100 hz good i see others have higher hz rating i have a tight budget


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Gwynston


    Had a problem with the recording feature yesterday...
    I noticed that under AllShare Play->Recorded TV is listed all programs that were manually recorded (e.g. just pressing record while viewing something). But also everything I'd ever scheduled for recording from the EPG and had subsequently watched and deleted from the Schedule Manager.

    So it seems that everything that's deleted from the Schedule Manager doesn't get physically deleted from the disk and is left taking up (a lot) of space.

    So I went through deleting everything from within Recorded TV, figuring the quickest way to do it was to "select all", then manually unselect the handful of recordings I wanted to keep, then chose "delete all selected". Anyway, when executing this the TV popped up an "unknown error" and abandoned the task, except that looking afterwards there was nothing left in the Recorded TV list!

    "Oh well, just a small bug-ette", I thought, except that when I later switched on the TV again, it immediately reported a "problem with a connected device", i.e. the HDD. It offered to try to recover the situation but couldn't manage to and wouldn't let me use the recording feature at all without reformatting the HDD.

    It seemed to just do a quick format and thankfully the extensive list of scheduled recordings I had set up were retained, and indeed seemed to work as expected when one kicked in later in the evening.

    This is the first real problem I've had with the recording feature, but it could be a real pain if it reoccurs whenever I have to clear out the HDD. Unless there's a way to make deletions from the Scheduler permanent on disk also, to avoid having to delete them all again manually from Recorded TV?


  • Registered Users Posts: 33 faithfulfan


    Does anybody know if its possible to update/replace the firmware of the French model from pixmania with firmware for the English model to avail of Freesat tuning option?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,939 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Does anybody know if its possible to update/replace the firmware of the French model from pixmania with firmware for the English model to avail of Freesat tuning option?

    I thought that during installation you just set country to UK instead of Ireland?


  • Registered Users Posts: 33 faithfulfan


    Not that I can see zg, I have country set to UK but no Freeview or Freesat epg, just Samsung 7 day epg for Irish DTT and Now and Next epg for Sat. Can anyone else with French model confirm?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭Phibsboro


    Not that I can see zg, I have country set to UK but no Freeview or Freesat epg, just Samsung 7 day epg for Irish DTT and Now and Next epg for Sat. Can anyone else with French model confirm?

    I think I mentioned earlier in the thread that I avoided the French model for exactly this reason. As I understand it there is a license cost associated with including the Freesat epg so it is only available in the relevant models. I googled and goolged (and googled! The pixmania one is miles cheaper than the UK model!) and could find no success stories of managing to revert it to UK functionality. At some point of the next few years samygo users might find a back door and you may be able to install a UK firmware, but I wouldn't count on it. If you can return the TV, I'd do so now.

    BTW, the samsung 7 day EPG for DTT is probably similar to what Irish users are getting for DTT on the UK model, the only difference being we are branded as freeview (assuming the TV as been set up as UK to get Freesat, otherwise it is branded as Saorview). Either way, you are probably only missing the branding on DTT, the key loss is Freesat.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33 faithfulfan


    Phibsboro wrote: »
    I think I mentioned earlier in the thread that I avoided the French model for exactly this reason. As I understand it there is a license cost associated with including the Freesat epg so it is only available in the relevant models. I googled and goolged (and googled! The pixmania one is miles cheaper than the UK model!) and could find no success stories of managing to revert it to UK functionality. At some point of the next few years samygo users might find a back door and you may be able to install a UK firmware, but I wouldn't count on it. If you can return the TV, I'd do so now.

    BTW, the samsung 7 day EPG for DTT is probably similar to what Irish users are getting for DTT on the UK model, the only difference being we are branded as freeview (assuming the TV as been set up as UK to get Freesat, otherwise it is branded as Saorview). Either way, you are probably only missing the branding on DTT, the key loss is Freesat.

    Cheers Phibsboro, ya I kinda guessed that was the case alright. As you say the big loss is the Freesat epg. The price difference is significant and I'm probably content to put up with this limitation at present. Its a great pity this functionality is not available on what would appear to be identical models and the difference is not highlighted on any retail sites that I can see.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭Phibsboro


    Cheers Phibsboro, ya I kinda guessed that was the case alright. As you say the big loss is the Freesat epg. The price difference is significant and I'm probably content to put up with this limitation at present. Its a great pity this functionality is not available on what would appear to be identical models and the difference is not highlighted on any retail sites that I can see.

    Yep, it took me a few days of research to realise it wasn't the same model! But then when you know that, you see that in fact pixmania don't mention Freesat at all on their page :( One just assumes that a .ie site will be selling the UK model :(

    To others reading this, get it in Powercity, ask someone who looks like a manager for their best price...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭maxg


    @faithfulfan
    Are you able to select Freesat as satellite option?


  • Registered Users Posts: 33 faithfulfan


    No Maxg, theres a "fransat" option which I guess is a French sat service but no Freesat option to be found. It also has a problem auto tuning the BBC HD channels but I think this can be done manually with the transponder settings, will post if I get them working. Other than that it a good piece of kit, Netflix and RTE Player are very good on it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭vince


    i bought my samsung 37es5500 just wondering will it record rte onto a flash drive as some shops said yes some said no id like to know before i purchase a stick thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭Phibsboro


    vince wrote: »
    i bought my samsung 37es5500 just wondering will it record rte onto a flash drive as some shops said yes some said no id like to know before i purchase a stick thanks

    It will ye, you can schedule a recording off the EPG. Gets messy when you want to watch something else at the same time though, read back through the thread for info on that..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭vince


    silly question is it ok to unplug this tv each night. i heard before some things dont like being turned off and on via the mains


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,044 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    It is generally very good advice to turn off (and even unplug) electrical devices that are not in use during the night .... and at other times if they are not attended.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    It is generally very good advice to turn off (and even unplug) electrical devices that are not in use during the night .... and at other times if they are not attended.

    Even with all the new tech and energy saving, all devices on standby use power...it might also save on wear n' tear of the electronics you you unplug...it also could prevent an electrical fire.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    Does anybody know if its possible to update/replace the firmware of the French model from pixmania with firmware for the English model to avail of Freesat tuning option?

    The firmware is the same, it's pan European....so the UK firmware is the same as the french. It's NOT freesat!....it's Free-To-Air satelitte!

    The tunner does not include the Freesat EPG,


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    Not that I can see zg, I have country set to UK but no Freeview or Freesat epg, just Samsung 7 day epg for Irish DTT and Now and Next epg for Sat. Can anyone else with French model confirm?

    Yeah...because the tv is not Freesat!....it's free-to-air, Freesat has the EPG like Freeview, free-to-air has not....read the tv specs!

    Also the French tv's are DVB-T....not DVB-T2....so not Freeview HD!


    READ THE SPECS!!!!!! :rolleyes:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    Phibsboro wrote: »
    Yep, it took me a few days of research to realise it wasn't the same model! But then when you know that, you see that in fact pixmania don't mention Freesat at all on their page :( One just assumes that a .ie site will be selling the UK model :(

    To others reading this, get it in Powercity, ask someone who looks like a manager for their best price...

    The Pix website dosen't mention Freesat because there are TWO different tuners!, one is Freesat and the other is Free-To-Air....one has an EPG and one does not.

    Freeview HD uses DVB-T2 and the Pix model is DVB-T....but Saorview works perfectly even in HD because the tv is MPEG4 + MHEG5.

    The UK and Fench tv's are identical save for the UK one being DVB-T2....even the UK model is Free-To-Air....not Freesat!

    You're moaning because you didn't read the bleedin' specs properly...was hoping to save a nice few quid over getting a UK tv, well boo hoo! :rolleyes:

    Pix is based in France....they sell French and European models...this is WELL KNOWN!, it's also the reason why they sell stuff alot cheaper...cry me a river!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,939 ✭✭✭zg3409


    The firmware is the same, it's pan European....so the UK firmware is the same as the french. It's NOT freesat!....it's Free-To-Air satelitte!
    The tunner does not include the Freesat EPG,

    If the software was the same it would work. We all agree the software is not the same, hence the problem with the Freesat EPG. DVB-T/2 has nothing to do with the satellite side. The EPG is nothing to do with the tuner. It is software.

    The OP bought the TV as it was super cheap and is happy to use it as is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭Phibsboro


    The Pix website dosen't mention Freesat because there are TWO different tuners!, one is Freesat and the other is Free-To-Air....one has an EPG and one does not.

    Freeview HD uses DVB-T2 and the Pix model is DVB-T....but Saorview works perfectly even in HD because the tv is MPEG4 + MHEG5.

    The UK and Fench tv's are identical save for the UK one being DVB-T2....even the UK model is Free-To-Air....not Freesat!

    You're moaning because you didn't read the bleedin' specs properly...was hoping to save a nice few quid over getting a UK tv, well boo hoo! :rolleyes:

    Pix is based in France....they sell French and European models...this is WELL KNOWN!, it's also the reason why they sell stuff alot cheaper...cry me a river!

    Richard, I think you may have (drunkenly? :P ) stumbled into a thread you're not quite up to date on. The UK model does indeed have Freesat and is listed on the official UK site - http://www.freesat.co.uk/products/hd-tv-range. I know because I have it!

    On the DTT tuner, I'd be amazed if the French model isn't T2, the pixmania specs are unclear on this point.

    Edit - just to add, freesat and free to air are actually not two different tuners. They both use the DVB-S2 sat tuner. Freesat is a firmware solution that grabs the EPG from a sat stream and displays it in a certain way, as regulated and licensed by Freesat in the UK. So it is theoretically possible for a non Freesat TV with an S2 tuner to be given the right firmware and display a Freesat epg. Some unlicensed STBs are getting a 7 day guide this way (though not as fluidly or as prettily as an official solution). The likelihood of this happening for a TV is quite small though as there isn't as much of a hobbyist culture around TVs as there is around the STBs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33 faithfulfan


    The Pix website dosen't mention Freesat because there are TWO different tuners!, one is Freesat and the other is Free-To-Air....one has an EPG and one does not.

    Freeview HD uses DVB-T2 and the Pix model is DVB-T....but Saorview works perfectly even in HD because the tv is MPEG4 + MHEG5.

    The UK and Fench tv's are identical save for the UK one being DVB-T2....even the UK model is Free-To-Air....not Freesat!

    You're moaning because you didn't read the bleedin' specs properly...was hoping to save a nice few quid over getting a UK tv, well boo hoo! :rolleyes:

    Pix is based in France....they sell French and European models...this is WELL KNOWN!, it's also the reason why they sell stuff alot cheaper...cry me a river!

    Wrong, Wrong, Wrong and Correct.

    Obviously the firmware is not the same as we would all have the same options if it were. Everyone is well aware of what Freeview and Freesat are if you actually read the previous posts. You are wrong they do not have two different tuners, most people will agree that the hardware in the two tv's models are almost identical including tuners as the French one does indeed dispaly RTE 2 HD, Saorview EPG data and the Free to Air HD channels which it would not if the tuners were not T2 and S2, as someone mentioned Freesat and Freeview are just part of the software ie. firmware and it would not make sense for a manufacturer to put a different "out of date tuner" in the same model.

    Phibsboro is 100% correct, the UK model does have Freeview HD and Freesat HD, perhaps you should read the spec's yourself.

    No one is moaning about anything, just having a discussion about a tv, if you have anything meaningful to contribute, please do so. I've stated in a previous post that I'm very happy with the TV.

    Well done, Pix do indeed have their headquarters in Paris, France.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭maxg


    zg3409 wrote: »
    If the software was the same it would work. We all agree the software is not the same, hence the problem with the Freesat EPG. DVB-T/2 has nothing to do with the satellite side. The EPG is nothing to do with the tuner. It is software.

    The OP bought the TV as it was super cheap and is happy to use it as is.

    The software can be the same. Some basis setting is different.
    Do you remember the Panasonic G10 hack?
    Hacking/changing a samsung tv should be easier in the engineer menu.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33 faithfulfan


    In this case I don't think its a conscious decision by Samsung to prevent use of Free-Sat, more likely its just a regional variation with Fran-sat installed instead. Samsung have obviously paid money to include Free-Sat on this model and its passed hardware and software requirements, hopefully more info will become available on updating the set to UK firmware as the issue becomes more prevalent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭maxg


    The firmware is the same.
    It looks like the country code (locale) has to be changed.
    The germans have have a similar problem to get hbbtv at imported samsungs from france. Their solution is to change the country code to eu_ger in the service menu. The entry is locked and had to be unlocked first via a service remote or a ir emulator.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭The Pontiac


    CWest wrote: »
    Hi

    I'm another looking for a “superman TV”, in my case full Freesat (not FTA) + Saorview (inc. MHEG5), plus a good PVR and ability to play digital files from digital sources (MKV, AVI, etc).

    I gather from this forum that this Samsung Smart TV is a rare beast in terms of supporting Freesat + Saorview.

    Are you not better off getting separate box/es?

    If one device breaks, then just replace that one device rather than one whole expensive device.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,816 ✭✭✭Apogee


    maxg wrote: »
    The firmware is the same.
    It looks like the country code (locale) has to be changed.
    The germans have have a similar problem to get hbbtv at imported samsungs from france. Their solution is to change the country code to eu_ger in the service menu. The entry is locked and had to be unlocked first via a service remote or a ir emulator.

    This is an video illustrating a similar hack on a D-series Samsung. At 2.30 in the video, you can see where they can change the 'Locale' - they scroll past 'EU_UK' as one of the options.

    [edit]At 2.58 in video, they change the TV model type.



    Though the potential for bricking a shiny new Samsung is likely quite high - see youtube comments!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭Phibsboro


    Samygo is the key forum for sammy TV hackers. This is the forum for the E series...

    http://forum.samygo.tv/viewforum.php?f=52


    Still quite sparse unfortunately but as the year progresses you should see some developments in tools, tricks etc. Looking at the C and D series forums, it isn't clear that getting freesat will be as straight forward as changing locales in the service menu, there don't appear to be any reports of that actually working on the previous models.

    I scoured Samygo before I decided not to get the pixmania model, there doesn't seem to be a whole pile of people developing in this area and there may be a long wait for a technique to appear to turn on/load freesat. Or it may be discovered tomorrow :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,816 ✭✭✭Apogee


    Some info on access to Extended Service Menu on certain E-series models via ruSamsungTVCommunicator here:
    http://forum.samygo.tv/viewtopic.php?t=4695


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭maxg




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Apogee wrote: »

    Though the potential for bricking a shiny new Samsung is likely quite high - see youtube comments!

    Normally through idiots who dont follow the instructions Apogee.

    I have a LE40C530. It is now a 550 and runs Allshare via a cheap ass USB wifi stick without rooting it. Its not meant to do that. You have to patient or you will have an expensive doorstop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭Phibsboro


    maxg wrote: »

    I don't think you need the actual remote. I use a software remote that talks to the tv via the network, it includes the key Factory and 3Speed codes. Get it from here...

    http://www.rainerullrich.de/samsung/

    (Hit google translate at the top to read the site, click the download link to get the software).

    CAUTION! - DON'T RANDOMLY PLAY WITH FACTORY AND/OR 3SPEED CODES. YOU CAN BRICK YOU TV. DON'T USE THOSE CODES UNLESS YOU ARE FOLLOWING A KNOWN SOURCE OF INFORMATION.


    edit - this is the software Apogee is referring to in his post re the samygo thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭Phibsboro


    Apogee wrote: »
    Some info on access to Extended Service Menu on certain E-series models via ruSamsungTVCommunicator here:
    http://forum.samygo.tv/viewtopic.php?t=4695


    I can't quite figure out what he was done there! I have that remote software running, but I am definitely not seeing port 52235 open on my TV...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,816 ✭✭✭Apogee


    I *think* it's something to do with changing the IP address somewhere. On the 2 PCs screengrabs it's 192.168.1.3 whereas on the TV it's 192.168.1.5.

    This russian forum also mention changing the IP on the TV? (at least according to a rough web translate)
    http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=ru&to=en&a=http://forum.ixbt.com/topic.cgi?id=62:12046-47
    Changed the IP address of the PC on the TV! And the Prog start! And now the question: which item changes the model of TV to SEE (not Che gives you), if I change the model 6900 as then update firmware TV 6540 or 6900 (6900, the TV on OFF site firmware doesnt last at UEC6620UW)? And do not change important settings like CALIBRATION, etc.?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭Phibsboro


    Apogee wrote: »
    I *think* it's something to do with changing the IP address somewhere. On the 2 PCs screengrabs it's 192.168.1.3 whereas on the TV it's 192.168.1.5.

    The thing with changing the ip in the ini is normally just a way of getting that software to start, it can never seem to find the telly via upnp :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,816 ✭✭✭Apogee


    Try to leave ruSTVC running for a while.
    http://forum.samygo.tv/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=4402


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 ib1703


    dkane wrote: »
    I only tried using it to record briefly. You can schedule recordings.
    When recording you can watch another channel on the same MUX/Transponder or on the other tuner (i.e watch Saorview while recording Sat).


    You need to connect an externally powered USb hard drive with a write speed of at least 54k. It will not work with a USB key. The drive has to be formatted for the TV (you can't plug it out and copy recordings to PC etc).


    Yes


    Playback of video files is very good. Both from USB key and over DLNA.


    RTE Player is an App. Works fine.
    No real downside except for having to reorder the Saorview channels and having to swap between Air and Freesat modes.


    I have had no problems with transfer speeds. Will play 1080 MKV files over WiFi with no issues.

    You state you can watch another channel while recording or swap between satellite and terrestrial while recording (via USB external disk drive).

    How do you do this? When recording even changing programme asks whether you wish to stop recording and if you don't stop recording it remains on same channel being recorded. If I try to change from terrestrial to satellite via menu the channel part of the menu is greyed out and can't be selected.

    Thanks in advance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭BFassassin


    ib1703 wrote: »
    You state you can watch another channel while recording or swap between satellite and terrestrial while recording (via USB external disk drive).

    How do you do this? When recording even changing programme asks whether you wish to stop recording and if you don't stop recording it remains on same channel being recorded. If I try to change from terrestrial to satellite via menu the channel part of the menu is greyed out and can't be selected.

    Thanks in advance.
    The same is happening for me when I try to record anything. Kinda pointless having to watch the programme you are trying to record.
    Im using this usb drive but i doubt that makes any difference http://www.mymemory.co.uk/USB-Flash-Drives/Lexar/Lexar-16GB-JumpDrive-S73-USB-Flash-Drive---Purple


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 453 ✭✭nuttz


    Just to let anyone out there know, I've just changed the country of my ES6300 from France (from pixmanaia) to UK and the Freesat EPG is now present using the current version of ruSamsungTVCommunicator (V0.0.14.0). I had both TV and software running on the same wireless network, disabled all firewalls and used google translate a bit.
    The one thing I would say is this, in the steps when it says "On TV, accept ruSamsungTVCommunicator as network remote controller (this step is very important). " You need to trigger this by sending: 123 (Senden), you will then be prompted on the TV to allow the device.


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