Are water meters being installed in October???

paddy147

Are these "IMF" water meters being installed in October or not??

Fine Gael (Phil Hogan) and Labour are keeping very quiet on this matter,seen as its allmost August now and there is no actual clarification on pricing and billing for these meters.

So are these meters actually being rolled out in October or what???

Who is being contracted by the goverment to install these "IMF" water meters outside peoples houses??

Thanks.

DGOBS

I was never aware the IMF were a water meter manufacturer, learning something new everyday!

Jesus Shaves

paddy147 wrote: »

Are these "IMF" water meters being installed in October or not??

Fine Gael (Phil Hogan) and Labour are keeping very quiet on this matter,seen as its allmost August now and there is no actual clarification on pricing and billing for these meters.

So are these meters actually being rolled out in October or what???

Who is being contracted by the goverment to install these "IMF" water meters outside peoples houses??

Thanks.

Not likely, but seeing as it's you, maybe you can get your water cheaper in another country:pac:

paddy147

Jesus Shaves wrote: »

Not likely, but seeing as it's you, maybe you can get your water cheaper in another country:pac:

Well my reason for asking was and is that Im very seriously considering having an underground rainwater hardvesting system along with a UV Light Sterilization system.

But I dont know what to do just yet,and want to know more about the planned water meter instalations and the exact way of metering the water and cost of the water too.

paddy147

DGOBS wrote: »

I was never aware the IMF were a water meter manufacturer, learning something new everyday!

Well we got a huge bailout and we also have regular visits from them too (to check the countries financial books),so why do you think we "suddenly" have to have domestic water meters installed??;)

Hense I have nicknamed them "IMF" water meters.:)

Jesus Shaves

paddy147 wrote: »

Well my reason for asking was and is that Im very seriously considering having an underground rainwater hardvesting system along with a UV Light Sterilization system.

But I dont know what to do just yet,and want to know more about the planned water meter instalations and the exact way of metering the water and cost of the water too.

You'll still have to get a water meter regardless if the plans to get get people to pay for their own meters are true, besides they'll end up finding some way of taxing your plans

paddy147

Jesus Shaves wrote: »

You'll still have to get a water meter regardless if the plans to get get people to pay for their own meters are true, besides they'll end up finding some way of taxing your plans

I know,I know...if Big Phil has his way,he would tax the air we all breath too.:rolleyes:

Im aware of having to have a water meter installed,but thats not to say that it must be used so supply me and my house and family with water.

Rainwater is a plenty in this country.:D

paddy147

Have any plumbers here been contracted/employed to start installing the domestic water meters in October,and if so,does anyone know anymore info on them and the water metering and prices or price per unit of water??

Are they even being rolled out in October,or is it more bullshyte talk from Phil Hogan??


Thanks.

DGOBS

The IMF really had little to do with this, water metering had been planned for some time as the cost of maintaining and providing water had risen over the years, and the fact we are one of the few modern countries that do not apply a charge directly for it.

I think a lot is being 'blamed' on the likes of the IMF, where or government had already made plans for stuff like this.

paddy147

DGOBS wrote: »

The IMF really had little to do with this, water metering had been planned for some time as the cost of maintaining and providing water had risen over the years, and the fact we are one of the few modern countries that do not apply a charge directly for it.

I think a lot is being 'blamed' on the likes of the IMF, where or government had already made plans for stuff like this.

Funny how I dont see the goverment talking about rushing out to fix and replace all the leaking pipes that cost us so much in water wastage and water shortage though.

Funny that.;):rolleyes:

DGOBS

The government has been discussing this issue for (far too) long, but some progress was made in the past (good ole) years, where they began (and I think completed) mapping the water pipework (as full maps were not present or accurate) and began the process of indicating/locating where the (major) leaks maybe located.

As you can imagine, the cost of just 'digging up the whole lot' was never a runner, and it would seem these projects have now ran out of cash, but I would have assumed a significant amount of the the money raised through this taxation would be utilized for both service and maintenance of the water supply processing and pipework.

Suppose carts cannot be put before horses these days, and some money will have to be raised to fund this type of infrastructure, hence the move to metering your water.

paddy147

DGOBS wrote: »

The government has been discussing this issue for (far too) long, but some progress was made in the past (good ole) years, where they began (and I think completed) mapping the water pipework (as full maps were not present or accurate) and began the process of indicating/locating where the (major) leaks maybe located.

As you can imagine, the cost of just 'digging up the whole lot' was never a runner, and it would seem these projects have now ran out of cash, but I would have assumed a significant amount of the the money raised through this taxation would be utilized for both service and maintenance of the water supply processing and pipework.

Suppose carts cannot be put before horses these days, and some money will have to be raised to fund this type of infrastructure, hence the move to metering your water.

Well maybe if they stopped blowing money on fancy holidays to Brazil,taking on 2 advisors per minister,ordering in 10,000 silk ties and much more useless crap like this,then maybe they could actually fix a few more broken pipes instead.


Anyway,thats a different thread in it own.





I want to know more about the water meters and their instalation dates/times.

Ares they definitely being rolled out in October or not?????

Gingernuts31

Take it as no one knows but i doubt they will cause as you said they are being very quiet on the issue.

paddy147

Is it worth it to install an underground rainwater harvesting system?

Im thinking of long term futureproofing here




Am I to take it that water meters are "definitely" comming in sometime soon???

DoneDL

There is a framework in place called the Water Framework Directive which will decide what action the government will be required to take.

i know u know

we got the meter fitted at the end of last year, our whole area got them but we have never recieved any charges for it yet

paddy147

Well google has shown me that these meters are supposedly to be installed from October this year,and every house in Ireland will have a meter installed by mid-late 2013.

The water charges will be in from early 2014 then,,as per the IMF/EU bailout conditions.


Is this absolutely deffinate then???

DGOBS

Who knows, ask Government (of ECB/IMF since its their plan)

Do you think if we had our sovernty back, our government wouldn't want to do this, or had never planned to?

Reality is, our tax base collapsed, and our government is trying to establish a new one, such as household and water charges, to fund utilities and local council etc, trying to blame the rest of the world for it is pointless.

OUR government is to blame, and WE elected them, they try to tell you bankers did it, our government allowed bankers to do it through lack of regulation.

And back on point, no I don't know, but sounds like you just wish to cash in on the work provided by it, so grunting at the ECB/IMF seems a bit two faced!

paddy147

DGOBS wrote: »

And back on point, no I don't know, but sounds like you just wish to cash in on the work provided by it, so grunting at the ECB/IMF seems a bit two faced!

Im wanting to cash in on it???

Where in gods holy name did you get that from??????

Im a homeowner who is looking for some more definate/specific information on the meter instalation and the overall plan to charge homewoners....and as to whether it makes financial sense to install an underground rainwater harvesting and water sterilisation system in my own house....(looking to the future and possible futureproofing)


I think you should read this thread again carefully,and read my reasons are for seeking various information and more clarification on water meters.



So with that in mind...how the hell am I cashing on water meter instalations???

anuprising

when you install an alternative source of water for yourself they will just meter your waste water and charge you to treat it . a lot of people think water charges are just for the supply , it also covers the treatment of waste water

DGOBS

Oops, apologies, totally misread you.

Thought you were looking to get into the installation of them.

paddy147

DGOBS wrote: »

Oops, apologies, totally misread you.

Thought you were looking to get into the installation of them.

Let me guess..."Friday eh"??;):D


No worries.:)

Joey the lips

anuprising wrote: »

when you install an alternative source of water for yourself they will just meter your waste water and charge you to treat it . a lot of people think water charges are just for the supply , it also covers the treatment of waste water

This was my initial thought. Your theory is correct and will depnd on the standing charge. If the standing charge is high then your write an alternate source of water will not pay off. Having said that. If the standing charge is too low then the govt wont be able to privatise the scheme long term. So really it depends on the standing charge.

Having said that, There is one thing for certain over the next few years. Demand for water is increasing and treating it is becoming expensive. Any water diverted from the land to a storage facility will just dry out a garden so depending on how wet your garden is you might actually be doing yourself a favor.

paddy147

Joey the lips wrote: »

This was my initial thought. Your theory is correct and will depnd on the standing charge. If the standing charge is high then your write an alternate source of water will not pay off. Having said that. If the standing charge is too low then the govt wont be able to privatise the scheme long term. So really it depends on the standing charge.

Having said that, There is one thing for certain over the next few years. Demand for water is increasing and treating it is becoming expensive. Any water diverted from the land to a storage facility will just dry out a garden so depending on how wet your garden is you might actually be doing yourself a favor.

Well I wont be taking anything from the soil.

I have a rather large roof space from the house and also the garage to feed an underground tank.




Joey...do you rekon these domestic water meters are deffinately being installed then or whats your feeling on this matter??

Thanks.:)

anuprising

water meters are definately coming in , and rumour has it sierra have the contract (or will have ) thru bord gais (they will operate new water company ),
sierra are owned by siteserv , who is now owned by denis o brien since he bough it at a knock down price from the recievers

maybe i should post this in conspiracy theories also ..........:):)

paddy147

anuprising wrote: »

water meters are definately coming in , and rumour has it sierra have the contract (or will have ) thru bord gais (they will operate new water company ),
sierra are owned by siteserv , who is now owned by denis o brien since he bough it at a knock down price from the recievers

maybe i should post this in conspiracy theories also ..........:):)

I know Denis,as he is/was my old boss.;)

So domestic water meters are deffo coming in then?

So is it worth it to gamble on digging an 8 foot deep hole in the back garden and having a rainwater harvesting system installed then????

paddy147

A precast concrete tank or a plastic tank.......which is better for underground instalation and which will last the longest with regards it not leaking??

TheChizler

Just regards leaks not being fixed, meters will allow the leaks to be easily detected and pinpointed, do it would make sense for them to wait until they're installed.

Also councils might be avoiding doing the work now, as there is going to be a nationwide company doing that in the future. Might as well let them pay for it.

DGOBS

Most of the leaks are BEFORE the meter, so how would metering detect?
It could only suggest a district at best.

If using underground plastic tanks, make sure they are fit for purpose, as an above ground tank would not be capable of supporting the weight of the backfill and may collapse when partially empty.

Solas8

The first thing I did when I bought my new home was to drill for water. Found a well 270 feet and 170 below sea level deep and although expensive I have clear clean non chemicalised water to drink. Never thought of the prob of charging for my "used" water though.

TheChizler

DGOBS wrote: »

Most of the leaks are BEFORE the meter, so how would metering detect?
It could only suggest a district at best

You'd be able to tell whether a leak exists between the district main and houses or not, and on private property you could tell if a leak is occurring somewhere between the meter and the tap.

RUCKING FETARD

paddy147 wrote: »

Rainwater is a plenty in this country.:D

I think it was in Bolivia in the naughties, the Government under orders from the IMF and the World Bank privatised the water and it was made illegal to catch Rain, open wells were all sealed up, prices doubled overnight.

Big revolt few years to get it back under a non profit.


I think it's illegal to catch Rain in a few states in the US aswell.

Haven't time to look for links.

TheChizler

RUCKING FETARD wrote: »

paddy147 wrote: »

Rainwater is a plenty in this country.:D

I think it was in Bolivia in the naughties, the Government under orders from the IMF and the World Bank privatised the water and it was made illegal to catch Rain, open wells were all sealed up, prices doubled overnight.

Big revolt few years to get it back under a non profit.


I think it's illegal to catch Rain in a few states in the US aswell.

Haven't time to look for links.

Are you suggesting that might happen here?

Solas8

How expensive it is to go natural and what a shame on the big companies.

DGOBS

Of course downstream of the meter you can, but thats the home owners problem, not their's anyway (and they won't give a damn as your being charged for it)

How can they tell between a district main and the house, do they meter it, or shut it off and look for a pressure drop? (I'm curious not be smart)

TheChizler

DGOBS wrote: »

Of course downstream of the meter you can, but thats the home owners problem, not their's anyway (and they won't give a damn as your being charged for it)

How can they tell between a district main and the house, do they meter it, or shut it off and look for a pressure drop? (I'm curious not be smart)

They sum up the water volume consumed downstream by collecting the household meter data, and compare that to the total volume passing the district meter, if there's a difference there's a leak in that district. Before they could only make an educated guess.

paddy147

We have a meeting lined up today with a specialist engineering company who produce rainwater harvesting systems.

Heres hoping anyway.

paddy147

A little birdy told me this morning that Bord Gais (aka Irish Water) wil be subbing out the meter instalation work to Sierra and that they are ready top go with the meter instalations starting in October..



Anyone here able to shed any more light on this??

anuprising

paddy147 wrote: »

A little birdy told me this morning that Bord Gais (aka Irish Water) wil be subbing out the meter instalation work to Sierra and that they are ready top go with the meter instalations starting in October..



Anyone here able to shed any more light on this??

that little birdy prob read this thread as you were told a few days ago here that was what was happening .

what specifically do you want light shed on ?

paddy147

anuprising wrote: »

that little birdy prob read this thread as you were told a few days ago here that was what was happening .

what specifically do you want light shed on ?

That little birdy didnt actually read this thread.



Im just wondering how many real jobs this will actually create though.


Phil Hogan seems to think he will create a few thousand new jobs with the water meter instalation roll out.

Id love to see his figures and where/how he has come to that conclusion then??

DGOBS

It would create 'work' rather than direct jobs, if Sierra does have the contract, they normally sub this out to small contractors and sole traders rather than directly employing people (ala their gas servicing etc.)

But someone who is suitably qualified, insured and ready would be able to seek contract work from them (I assume)

solas111

Phil the Flutter Hogan and his band of fraudsters are making it up as they go along so the installation date is liable to change. The only thing that you can be certain about is that they will be installing meters and double charging for water.

The charge will start off at a reasonably low level and Saint Phil will give you a ‘generous’ allowance of free water before you have to pay for the rest. This is a con job of course, designed to get the gullible to start paying. Once everyone is roped in the charge will be increased to something like €500 to €700 if compared to countries such as the U.K. and probably a lot more in totally corrupt old Ireland. After everything is set up and running, Water Ireland will be offered for sale to the highest bidder. Then you will almost certainly be paying some foreign speculators for something that your taxes have paid for already.

The IMF and the Troika have without a doubt brought pressure to bear to have our water privatised but our own shower, if you’ll pardon the pun, have been planning this for a long time. Up until now they didn’t have the guts to do it because introducing a double charge for water would be political suicide.

They had water charges before of course but people stuck together and refused to pay and they had to abolish them eventually. Household Charge, Water Charge, and Septic Tank Charge – it is all needed in order to pay for the greed of the few.

Google “Can’t Pay Won’t Pay” and stand together against the fraudsters.

TheChizler

solas111 wrote: »

Phil the Flutter Hogan and his band of fraudsters are making it up as they go along so the installation date is liable to change. The only thing that you can be certain about is that they will be installing meters and double charging for water.

The charge will start off at a reasonably low level and Saint Phil will give you a ‘generous’ allowance of free water before you have to pay for the rest. This is a con job of course, designed to get the gullible to start paying. Once everyone is roped in the charge will be increased to something like €500 to €700 if compared to countries such as the U.K. and probably a lot more in totally corrupt old Ireland. After everything is set up and running, Water Ireland will be offered for sale to the highest bidder. Then you will almost certainly be paying some foreign speculators for something that your taxes have paid for already.

The IMF and the Troika have without a doubt brought pressure to bear to have our water privatised but our own shower, if you’ll pardon the pun, have been planning this for a long time. Up until now they didn’t have the guts to do it because introducing a double charge for water would be political suicide.

They had water charges before of course but people stuck together and refused to pay and they had to abolish them eventually. Household Charge, Water Charge, and Septic Tank Charge – it is all needed in order to pay for the greed of the few.

Google “Can’t Pay Won’t Pay” and stand together against the fraudsters.

Bla!!

TheChizler

TheChizler wrote: »

Bla!!

Apologies. That response was both alcohol and frustration induced.

There can't be a definite date for the meter installation stated as they have to install in close to a million homes. The process will be long and drawn out. Not intended to induce confusion and disruption.

Also on the saint remark, has Phil Hogan been both beatified and canonized? Also when did he die? I think I missed those parts. I think you may be mistaken about him being a saint.

How is it a con job? It's been done before. It's not like the household charge where it aids the authorities to register first. You claim that it would be a set charge of 500 to 800 Euro but there will be meters so you will be charged based on what you use, plus a standing charge. Unless the standing charge is massive and the cost per unit is minuscule you won't be able to put the cost between those bounds.

On the point of it being introduced again, I believe, and I'm sure that there are many that would agree with me, that the charges were previously removed for populist reasons when the lost revenue didn't matter as the money was coming in from other areas. Whether or not you believe that the charge was unjust now or then, you have to admit that it will be fairer now as it will be based on what is actually used.

Joey the lips

Lads/ladettes we are slightly derailing this. Thread. As you can imagine this thread is to discuss water meters and the plumbing aspect. We are heading towards the politics forum where this is going.....

TheChizler

Does anybody know the layout of a general council water network? Up to now I've been assuming there's district meters and they know which households are in which district. Is there much room inside the standard valve access hole you see outside homes? Will they be able to retrofit the meters without chipping away at concrete etc? Any idea what the metering mechanism will consist of, ie will it be impeller based?

paddy147

So why is Phil Hogan insisting that every household has to pay a 40 euro anual charge then for the next 20 years?

Does a water meter really cost that much to actually make and stick in the ground???

According to many much more honest companies and people.Its all of about 200-250 euro to do the job.

Im sorry,but this drives me absolutely mad.