Betting scandal

thirstywork2

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/betting-scandal-claims-rock-irish-olympic-squad-3182215.html

myflipflops

I'd be pretty certain it is not an athlete.

Brianderunner

Unless it was katie taylor making a bet on her biggest rival i don't see the big deal. But rules are rules.

If i was running the 100m with no chance of making the final, what does it matter if i have a grand on Blake to beat Bolt?

He/she should have done what clever people do and got a mate to do the bets for him (or her)

myflipflops

Brianderunner wrote: »

Unless it was katie taylor making a bet on her biggest rival i don't see the big deal. But rules are rules.

If i was running the 100m with no chance of making the final, what does it matter if i have a grand on Blake to beat Bolt?

He/she should have done what clever people do and got a mate to do the bets for him (or her)

If it is ANY Irish boxer on the Olympic team then it is a huge deal.

Pisco Sour

My guess would be a 1v1 sport and if that's the case and somebody is taking in winnings at odds of 12-1 then it will be a huge deal!

myflipflops

Pisco Sour wrote: »

My guess would be a 1v1 sport and if that's the case and somebody is taking in winnings at odds of 12-1 then it will be a huge deal!

The article says that the person backed a competitor to win gold outright the day before they faced them in direct competition. Logically, that makes boxing most likely: somebody backed the person they faced in the first round to win the whole event at 12/1.

Not many other sports in contention. There is no betting on most sports from the Games outside the Olympics and we have no tennis players.

Getoffmytrain

How did the Independent get access to the persons betting accounts?
Hopefully they name and shame the bookmaker involved.

myflipflops

Getoffmytrain wrote: »

How did the Independent get access to the persons betting accounts?
Hopefully they name and shame the bookmaker involved.

They said they got the information from a 'source', presumably somebody inside the company sent them the info.

Why does the bookmaker need to be 'shamed'? Seems to me that it is the person who made the bet who in the wrong.

Murta

What a plonker. At the very least use a relation or to place the bets.

shels4ever

Brianderunner wrote: »

Unless it was katie taylor making a bet on her biggest rival i don't see the big deal. But rules are rules.

If i was running the 100m with no chance of making the final, what does it matter if i have a grand on Blake to beat Bolt?

He/she should have done what clever people do and got a mate to do the bets for him (or her)

When was the last time an irish sports person was 12:1 fav to win a match/game/race and lose..

Murta

myflipflops wrote: »

They said they got the information from a 'source', presumably somebody inside the company sent them the info.

Why does the bookmaker need to be 'shamed'? Seems to me that it is the person who made the bet who in the wrong.

Bookie should be named and shamed if in preach of privacy rules.

the_real_lamp

shels4ever wrote: »

When was the last time an irish sports person was 12:1 fav to win a match/game/race and lose..

The individual who put on the bet did so betting that the person he was to compete against would win the whole tournament, not just the fight. He was 12/1 to win the tournamnent outright, not just the fight.

JamesGW

myflipflops wrote: »

They said they got the information from a 'source', presumably somebody inside the company sent them the info.

Why does the bookmaker need to be 'shamed'? Seems to me that it is the person who made the bet who in the wrong.

Simple two wrongs do not make a right. If someone within the betting organisation (or the organisation itself) had this information they should have passed it on to the Proper Authorities not a newspaper (presumably for a concideration). If it was an individual then the organisation is behaving in an unethical, immoral or even illegal manner in not protecting the privacy of it's clients.

shels4ever

the_real_lamp wrote: »

The individual who put on the bet did so betting that the person he was to compete against would win the whole tournament, not just the fight. He was 12/1 to win the tournamnent outright, not just the fight.

Doesnt say fight at all . I wouldnt think its boxing myself. Good chance or 4 legs been involved.

Getoffmytrain

myflipflops wrote: »

They said they got the information from a 'source', presumably somebody inside the company sent them the info.

Why does the bookmaker need to be 'shamed'? Seems to me that it is the person who made the bet who in the wrong.

While the athlete may or may not be in the wrong, if I place a bet with a bookmaker, I don't expect them to leak my address, phone number, (possibly credit card details), and betting history to a national newspaper.

Fair enough if the AAI/OCI or the revenue commissioners request them as part of an investigation, but from this episode, it seems any hack can request somebody's betting history and personal details whenever they wish.

Once they announce which bookmaker it is, I will be closing any accounts I have with them.

wonderfulname

the_real_lamp wrote: »

The individual who put on the bet did so betting that the person he was to compete against would win the whole tournament, not just the fight. He was 12/1 to win the tournamnent outright, not just the fight.

It may not necessarily be a boxer, I figured equestrian when I heard, there's no indication anyone threw anything, we don't know the two were in direct competition, just the same competition, and to be fair if they were the paper would have run with that.

tayto lover

I thought they said it was an athlete ??

Pherekydes

tayto lover wrote: »

I thought they said it was an athlete ??

This just means anyone on the team.

Asset management

Jumping the gun a bit to assume it was a boxer or any one on one competition. Competing directly could be athletics or anything where semi one day and final the next. Still, must have known something as 12/1 very long odds or maybe big into gambling! Maybe Irish athlete didn't even make final so ethically maybe not the right thing to do but apart from that it's no big deal

myflipflops

Getoffmytrain wrote: »

While the athlete may or may not be in the wrong, if I place a bet with a bookmaker, I don't expect them to leak my address, phone number, (possibly credit card details), and betting history to a national newspaper.

Fair enough if the AAI/OCI or the revenue commissioners request them as part of an investigation, but from this episode, it seems any hack can request somebody's betting history and personal details whenever they wish.

Once they announce which bookmaker it is, I will be closing any accounts I have with them.

I would have a massive bet that it was a customer service agent at the bottom grade who gave out the details whether it was for money of another reason. The bookmaker would be legally obliged NOT to give out your details, they would be risking losing their license. With any company you sign up with (Bookmaker, bank or anything) there is a risk that an individual employee can use your details in some way.

pc11

I doubt that confidentiality applies when there's reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing? All the big online bookies cooperate with anti-fraud, corruption etc investigations.

dmmnnba

Presumably the bet relates either to a previous Olympics or a qualifying competition organised by IOC, otherwise the IOC regulations quoted would not be relevant?

myflipflops

pc11 wrote: »

I doubt that confidentiality applies when there's reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing? All the big online bookies cooperate with anti-fraud, corruption etc investigations.

They are only obligated to report suspicious activity if they have an agreement with the relevant body (as Betfair do with the IOC for example). After that, it is up to the judgement of the company. It is generally in the interest of the companies to report anything suspicious though.

Apparently the team member is being named in the Sunday Indo anyway.

runjb

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/bet-claims-made-out-of-vengeance-olympian-3182659.html

They named him alright and not the person I expected or wanted. It will undoubtedly impede his chances as well as affect one of our own main athletes in the area of athletics.

It was obviously leaked at a time to cause maximum impact! There is something seedy about it all...

Truman Burbank

runjb wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/bet-claims-made-out-of-vengeance-olympian-3182659.html

They named him alright and not the person I expected or wanted. It will undoubtedly impede his chances as well as affect one of our own main athletes in the area of athletics.

It was obviously leaked at a time to cause maximum impact! There is something seedy about it all...

Well, this is the gist of it "The following day, Mr O'Leary went into competition against that opponent". Due process for O'Leary. And due sanctions if true. This team has had nothing but distractions the past few weeks.

plodder

Brianderunner wrote: »

If i was running the 100m with no chance of making the final, what does it matter if i have a grand on Blake to beat Bolt?

I know it's not on the same level as actual result fixing, but it's a slippery slope, and still fairly unsavoury in my opinion, especially when it's all being funded by the tax-payer. Nowadays, you can bet on almost anything on the betting exchanges. So, it could easily lead to something really nasty.

Pisco Sour

This happened in 2008. Why is this only coming out now? They'll do anything to sell a story, even if it impacts on our own Olympic squad. After this and that appalling article about Rob Heffernan last week the Indo has shown itself to be the purest form of a rag!

thepoormouth

What did they write about Rob Heffernan?

Truman Burbank

Pisco Sour wrote: »

This happened in 2008. Why is this only coming out now? They'll do anything to sell a story, even if it impacts on our own Olympic squad. After this and that appalling article about Rob Heffernan last week the Indo has shown itself to be the purest form of a rag!

The person who sent the e-mail had no regard for the Irish team and by default (presumably) their fellow citizens. Regardless of whether they had the information for the last 4 weeks, or the last 4 years, their 11th hour timing to derail O'Leary shows that. If they an ounce of cop-on they would have passed the info on at let's say ............. a more convenient time.

InsaneBolt

Inside job!!! Getting at Burrows I bet....:eek: There's a bigger story here with some major head on the line.

thirstywork2

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/olympics-2012/irish-news/irish-olympic-medal-hope-robert-heffernan-gets-coaching-advice-from-a-drug-cheat-3172608.html

pc11

Pisco Sour wrote: »

This happened in 2008. Why is this only coming out now? They'll do anything to sell a story, even if it impacts on our own Olympic squad. After this and that appalling article about Rob Heffernan last week the Indo has shown itself to be the purest form of a rag!

Are you angry because it's not true that Rob took advice from someone convicted of supplying EPO or because it's true and it doesn't matter? Or some other reason? I'm not clear, sorry.

hardCopy

thirstywork2 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/olympics-2012/irish-news/irish-olympic-medal-hope-robert-heffernan-gets-coaching-advice-from-a-drug-cheat-3172608.html

In fairness, it's bad news for any athlete to associate with dopers, but the story could possibly have been released earlier and cause less disruption to the traveling party.

TRR

Pisco Sour wrote: »

This happened in 2008. Why is this only coming out now? They'll do anything to sell a story, even if it impacts on our own Olympic squad. After this and that appalling article about Rob Heffernan last week the Indo has shown itself to be the purest form of a rag!

Why? are any of the facts of either story incorrect? The timing of both stories is not ideal but to suggest it is a deliberate attempt by the indo to rock the boat as late as possible may not be fair. Unless they deliberately sat on the stories themselves.

thirstywork2

TRR wrote: »

Why? are any of the facts of either story incorrect? The timing of both stories is not ideal but to suggest it is a deliberate attempt by the indo to rock the boat as late as possible may not be fair. Unless they deliberately sat on the stories themselves.

That guy is a clown who wrote that, hes wrote numerous articles with out of context quotes, misinformation and general athlete bashing in the past.

Paco isn't Rob's coach but along time training partner and friend.While it doesnt look good him hanging around a former drug cheat it doesnt mean he is a cheat.
Rob's version would contradict it as he offer him advise but isn't his coach.
Pity all these negative stories coming out at the wrong time.
Suppose they want to sell papers !!!