New Regulations January 2013

Faith+1

http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Learner%20Drivers/Third%20Directive/Link%203.pdf

An easier breakdown than the previous links.

Blondie919

Thanks for that, but the 2 links don't seem to be working.

Faith+1

Blondie919 wrote: »

Thanks for that, but the 2 links don't seem to be working.

http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Learner%20Drivers/Third%20Directive/Link%20A%20Bikes%20chart%203rd%20directive%20@%2018%20July%202012%20V2.pdf


http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Learner%20Drivers/Third%20Directive/Link%20B%20FAQ's%20Bikes.pdf

The most important thing people on their LP need to understand is that unless they pass their test before January 19 2013 they WILL be affected by these new rules even though they were issued their LP before this date.

For instance:

18 year old who holds an "A" LP and passes their test on the 15th January 2013 but doesn't apply for their Licence until 19th (New rules) they will be issued an A2 licence which restricts them to bikes up to 35kw. In order for them to get a full "A" they have to wait 2 years before taking another test.

Wonda-Boy

Thanx FOOOK I got my full licence after waiting the 6 mths.....

unclebill98

Whah happens if your over 24?

thomashood10

**** you too RSA

Cuddlesworth

I don't understand. So if your over 24, there is no more restriction on power. You can hop on a 1000c full power bike? I'm pretty sure I was no more or less crazy at 24 then at 23.

Reku

Am I the only one who finds it a bit sketchy that they announce that test date will decide if you're affected, and not when you got your learner's permit, on July 18th, the deadline for getting a permit if you're to have any hope of taking the test before the changes come in? Very dodgy IMO.

Also will it not render units in the >50CC <120CC range unsellable, since you cannot use them for the test and <250CC units are nigh-impossible to rent for the test?

positron

Right - I have full license, but I about 8 months into the 2 year restriction period, so I am restricted to driving 25kW (33bhp) bikes. So from 19th January 2012, the restricted bikes can be of 35kW, which is 46.6 bhp.

My bike in it's unrestricted state produces 70 kW (95 bhp), so I can't just get rid of the restriction, but I can change 33 bhp to 46.6 bhp if I wish.

Hmm, not sure if I would bother tbh.

Wonda-Boy

Mental ****e altogether.....who thinks up this stuff SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!

war_child

This world is goin pure mad , yet again with the taking of something very simple and confusing it to the point of bleedin obscurity....seriously governments get ur heads out of your arse and get ur acts together ....Grrrrr.com

CptMackey

I'm 27 and getting into
Biking so as far as I can see I can get a permit A licence as normal with ibt then once I pass I can drive an unrestricted bike straight away?

That right or am I picking it up wrong ?

thomashood10

Yep, you can get direct access after 6 months as according to the RSA you are more responsible on an R1 1000cc rocket than someone who's been riding bikes for 2 years, they must first take a test or training module for some reason.

Hmmmm just applied for my test,
might have to wait to next year now and get an unrestricted licence.

Faith+1

CptMackey wrote: »

I'm 27 and getting into
Biking so as far as I can see I can get a permit A licence as normal with ibt then once I pass I can drive an unrestricted bike straight away?

That right or am I picking it up wrong ?

Yes but you'd want to get your ass in gear as you have less than 6 months before the new rules come into force. And the RSA don't conduct many bike tests over winter so I can only imagine the rush before the 19th January.

paddy147

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Mental ****e altogether.....who thinks up this stuff SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!

Gay Byrne??:eek::rolleyes::D

Faith+1

unclebill98 wrote: »

Whah happens if your over 24?

You can apply directly for the A test, pass and you have an unrestricted licence. That is of course if you pass after the 19th. If you pass before the 19th your full licence will still have a 2 year restriction but it will be increased from 25kw to 35kw. Don't ask me how they think this is a good idea.

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

I don't understand. So if your over 24, there is no more restriction on power. You can hop on a 1000c full power bike? I'm pretty sure I was no more or less crazy at 24 then at 23.

Pretty much yes :eek:, However I can't see insurance companies playing ball with this system. A 24yo with no experience riding a GS?? Good luck!

Faith+1

paddy147 wrote: »

Gay Byrne??:eek::rolleyes::D

You'd think that but it's those EU assh*les! They want a standard system throughout the EU .

paddy147

How would these new rules affaect anyone who got their full A-Licence this year,and has to ride a restricted bike for the next 2 years?

Does that mean that they can go for a full power/unrestricted blade or R1 from 2013 with these new rules??

Or do they still have to do 2 years on a restricted bike??

Faith+1

urbanledge wrote: »

Hmmmm just applied for my test,
might have to wait to next year now and get an unrestricted licence.

Up to yourself but don't forget that the test is going to be overhauled .i.e More manoeuvres, longer test, examiners on bikes. Personally if I were you I'd ring them and asked to be put on the cancelation list and get the test asap. It will be a nightmare come Sep/Oct when the RSA are finishing tests for the winter.

Faith+1

paddy147 wrote: »

How would these new rules affaect anyone who got their full A-Licence this year,and has to ride a restricted bike for the next 2 years?

Does that mean that they can go for a full power/unrestricted blade or R1 from 2013 with these new rules??

Or do they still have to do 2 years on a restricted bike??

Anyone who passed pre Jan 2013 will have a restricted licence, the only positive is their power to weight ratio will be increased from 25kw to 35kw. That is all I'm afraid. Yet if you pass an "A" test after the 19th you have an unrestricted licence! But you have to be 24 or over. If you pass next year and you're only 18-23 then you'll be issued an A2 licence.

Zascar

Reading that document makes my eyeballs hurt, and trying to understand it makes my brain ache. Maybe its just because I'm hungover...

Anyone wants to give a simple summary of what's new and good or bad? I'll make it a sticky

paddy147

Faith+1 wrote: »

Anyone who passed pre Jan 2013 will have a restricted licence, the only positive is their power to weight ratio will be increased from 25kw to 35kw. That is all I'm afraid. Yet if you pass an "A" test after the 19th you have an unrestricted licence! But you have to be 24 or over. If you pass next year and you're only 18-23 then you'll be issued an A2 licence.

So how is giving/handing over a full/unrestricted licence to a 24 year old making it safer?????

I really would like to sit down with the RSA and ask them what fools they employ or use to come up with these rules???

Or who the RSA are listening to on this matter...someone over in Brussels maybe??

gipi

The 24 yr old who wants the immediate A licence (with no restriction) must do a new IBT module (module 5 ), whether they've done IBT in the past or not.

Faith+1

gipi wrote: »

The 24 yr old who wants the immediate A licence (with no restriction) must do a new IBT module (module 5 ), whether they've done IBT in the past or not.

It keeps getting better!

paddy147

So is it just a money making excercize then?

Faith+1

paddy147 wrote: »

So is it just a money making excercize then?

Not really, I think it's a sly way for the EU to cut down on deaths by making it harder for people to get thier licence in the first place. Could you imagine being 18 and trying to get your licence next year?

unclebill98

Faith+1 wrote: »

You can apply directly for the A test, pass and you have an unrestricted licence. That is of course if you pass after the 19th. If you pass before the 19th your full licence will still have a 2 year restriction but it will be increased from 25kw to 35kw. Don't ask me how they think this is a good idea.



Pretty much yes :eek:, However I can't see insurance companies playing ball with this system. A 24yo with no experience riding a GS?? Good luck!

Cheers. This is mental.

paddy147

Thank god for the 80s and 90s where when you just got a few lessons,then went to sit the car or bike test an got your full licence and that was it,none of this rubbish.

thomashood10

Yeh I can't really make head nor tails of it,

Been sitting here trying to figure it out but near as I can tell it gives unexperienced riders access to full on sportsbikes, while at the same time turns off younger riders from getting a bike by lengthening out the process by having them do a theory test, wait 6 months, IBT, then full test. Wait 2 years then get another learner permit (presumably they'd have to put an L bib back on and get off the M50, wait another 6 months, then pass a test.

Why does an A2 have to get another permit and take another test after 2 years +6 months riding + wait on the LP? Seems completely unnecessary.

Thank christ I'll be 24 with a LP, feel somewhat sorry for other lads that recently got a learner permit though.

Wonda-Boy

Can you imagine the police trying to enforce this when us bikers cant get are heads around it.....lmao

Faith+1

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Can you imagine the police trying to enforce this when us bikers cant get are heads around it.....lmao

Alot of gurads still don't know what driver CPC is and that was implemented over 3 years ago! Not to mention their lax attitude to people driving on a LP (Cage), this will be a right barrel of laughs. Ah sure it'll be grand! :rolleyes:

serious3

so correct me if i'm reading this wrong, i'm 41 at the minute and have just passed my thery test (last tues) i'll have my learner permit next week along with my IBT, i cant take my test till feburary at the earliest (6mth wait) but when i do because of my age i can ride/get a full power?

Faith+1

serious3 wrote: »

so correct me if i'm reading this wrong, i'm 41 at the minute and have just passed my thery test (last tues) i'll have my learner permit next week along with my IBT, i cant take my test till feburary at the earliest (6mth wait) but when i do because of my age i can ride/get a full power?

Correct, however if you're applying for direct access (over 24) you'll have to complete module 5, this is a new one being intorduced by the RSA for direct access in "A" category.

serious3

lovely job! module 5 here we come!!

goodlad

This is crazy tbh.
I got my full licence about a month ago. So my restriction is still going to have to run its 2 year course but the power restriction is increased from 25kw to 35kw. But yet someone who passes after this stuff comes in can just hop on a bike a full power! Why the hell not just remove the restriction entirely for people like me instead of just giving us the option to whip out restrictors and put a different restrictor in...

Faith+1

goodlad wrote: »

This is crazy tbh.
I got my full licence about a month ago. So my restriction is still going to have to run its 2 year course but the power restriction is increased from 25kw to 35kw. But yet someone who passes after this stuff comes in can just hop on a bike a full power! Why the hell not just remove the restriction entirely for people like me instead of just giving us the option to whip out restrictors out and out a different restrictor in...

Because that would make too much bloody sense!

war_child

Faith+1 wrote: »

Because that would make too much bloody sense!

With all honesty nothing the RSA the government the country does regarding anything anymore makes much sense ive said this before and ill repeat it , we have a tendencie in this country to take things that are very simple and make them stupidly ridiculous ....were will it all end coz i dont think my brain can takemuch more of the stupidity ...i need a bloody lie down :mad:

goodlad

As far as im aware the only restriction kit for my sv1000 is the current one thats in it. I dont think there is one available that allows a bit more power.

So i will just stick to the one thats in it for the 2 years i guess.

war_child

I know this is off topic so my apologies for it in advance , wanted to ask has anyone ever used Paul Decourcey in Waterford for training ? If anyone has used him in the past can ya let me know just private msg me.

Cheers lads

Wonda-Boy

Am I not right in saying that with these now laws when they come into force that if you have your full licence but still have to 2 yrs to run you can just do these new MODULE 5 and the restriction is lifted....if not it really incredible ****in stupid!

TBH, I am not in a hurry to get a bigger more powerful bike. However I would like it to be MY CHOICE not some suit in Dail Eireann making all this sh1t up over a prawn salad at lunchtime!

I am on bikes exactly 12mths this month not long granted, but to prove I am not a boy racer type I have my IBT done(obviously) also passed my driving test after waiting the mandatory 6 mths(clean no marks) the Garda Bikesafe course (38/40 points) and completed and passed a grade 2 advanced rider assesment course.

WTF do I actually have to do to show I am a competent, serious rider to the powers to be???? :eek:

eoinkildare

SO what is this IBT Module 5 going to include does anyone know???
I have my IBT starting tomorrow. Suppose there's no chance I can get the 5th module done until next year?

Wonda-Boy

I was with an IBT instructor at the races yesterday.....they have not even been informed of any of this yet, has no clue of any module 5 etc etc.

They are in the dark just as much as the rest of us m8 :rolleyes:

Roadskill

goodlad wrote: »

This is crazy tbh.
I got my full licence about a month ago. So my restriction is still going to have to run its 2 year course but the power restriction is increased from 25kw to 35kw. But yet someone who passes after this stuff comes in can just hop on a bike a full power! Why the hell not just remove the restriction entirely for people like me instead of just giving us the option to whip out restrictors and put a different restrictor in...

Because the new regs state that the person doing the full A test from 19th January will have done the training and test on a full power bike. They can't just remove your restriction when your test was conducted in the old rules. The EU stated that all EU countries must implement this new law to put us all on the same level so it's not Ireland dictating this. There will always be someone who is not happy but direct access has been screamed for for years by bikers in Ireland and now it's happening people are whinging.

Roadskill

war_child wrote: »

With all honesty nothing the RSA the government the country does regarding anything anymore makes much sense ive said this before and ill repeat it , we have a tendencie in this country to take things that are very simple and make them stupidly ridiculous ....were will it all end coz i dont think my brain can takemuch more of the stupidity ...i need a bloody lie down :mad:

War_child
This time it's not Ireland doing this it's the EU. The UK will be changing their system from the same date. Their current direct access scheme is from 21 years old and that has to be increased to 24 the same as here. I am sure there will be some disgruntled riders over there too.

rat_race

I think allowing a noob drive an unrestricted bike is a step backwards...but also unfair to those who have just done their test (like me).

There should be some avenue for us to remove the two year restriction, maybe by completing module 5 and having the IBT instructor give the seal of approval or something.

Personally, I'm thinking of upgrading my bike to whatever power I want, unrestricted...I'm sick of this nonsense.

Roadskill

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

I was with an IBT instructor at the races yesterday.....they have not even been informed of any of this yet, has no clue of any module 5 etc etc.

They are in the dark just as much as the rest of us m8 :rolleyes:

As far as I am aware the module 5 will be 11 hours of training like the 2 conversion ibt modules at the moment. I can't be sure until we have all had our conference with the RSA to tell us. supposedly in October.:rolleyes:

Italia

All I can say is thank f@@k I got my full licence way back in 1978 .

The new regs appear to have been dreamed up by the usual pen pushers with no experience on how bike riding (or car driving for that matter) actually works in real life. Seems to me that the fine folk who work at places like RSA et al, are the same world wide.....highly opinionated but ultimately useless and clueless. "Hey Bob..that looks great (on paper)...lets implement it..." :rolleyes:
Giving a noob full unrestricted access to a big bike just because he is 24 make very little sense at all.

Roadskill

rat_race wrote: »

I think allowing a noob drive an unrestricted bike is a step backwards...but also unfair to those who have just done their test (like me).

There should be some avenue for us to remove the two year restriction, maybe by completing module 5 and having the IBT instructor give the seal of approval or something.

Personally, I'm thinking of upgrading my bike to whatever power I want, unrestricted...I'm sick of this nonsense.

Rat_race

I think but can't be 100% yet that this is going to be introduced but as the new A category for direct access will be for over 24's then anyone on a full restricted A at the moment will under that age will be equivalent to an full A2 licence 35kw. After the 2 year restriction at this power you will have the full A.
Example
You pass you full A test now at age 18 you are restricted to 25kw for 2 years.
After Jan 19th 2013 restriction increased to 35kw for remainder of 2 years. Minimum age for full A after Jan 19th is 20
Minimum age for Cat A2 after Jan 19th is 18
If you pass test at 18 in cat A2 then after 2 years of a full A2 you can either take training course and go straight to full A or opt to take another test for the full A

Confusing I know but a bit of homework and analyzing the documents will help most to understand it.

Wonda-Boy

Having said that I have seen alot of "OLDER" men way above the age of 24 act like a total dangerous gob****e on a bike.....at the end of the day "IF" it makes people safer on bike and a better rider it can only be a good thing but is that the goal of the scheme? How much will 11 hours of module 5 cost?

I think the powers to be are really trying to kill off bikers with trickery, And totally put off new bikers from starting out....With all this new "MUMBO JUMBO" and the possibility of NCT for bikes.......SWEETBABYJESUSANDTHEORPHANS!!!!!

Italia

Not all older guys are dorks when riding a bike, but I take your point.
IMHO its all about attitude. You can be 18 and have your head screwed on right or 60 and still be a [EMAIL="tw@t"]tw@t[/EMAIL].
Having learned to ride bikes the hard way, I really think it has to be progressive. Learn small and as your ability and skill increase, so you climb to bigger bikes. The basic concept of the new regs seems to point in that direction, but all the extra gunf they added in makes them, IMHO, really dumb.

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Having said that I have seen alot of "OLDER" men way above the age of 24 act like a total dangerous gob****e on a bike.....at the end of the day "IF" it makes people safer on bike and a better rider it can only be a good thing but is that the goal of the scheme? How much will 11 hours of module 5 cost?

I think the powers to be are really trying to kill off bikers with trickery, And totally put off new bikers from starting out....With all this new "MUMBO JUMBO" and the possibility of NCT for bikes.......SWEETBABYJESUSANDTHEORPHANS!!!!!