Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

Priory Hall Type Situation

  • 26-07-2012 4:59pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭


    Not exactly the same but suppose for the sake of argument:

    An apartment complex completed in 1993 does not conform with Building Regulations that came into force in 1992 specifically in relation to fire safety.

    Who would be liable to pay for the necessary remedial work?

    Assuming the funds were not available and the complex evacuated what would be the position of the owners:

    Would they be able to claim under any sort of insurance?
    Should a structural survey highlighted these problems? If so would the purchaser (now owner) have a claim against the surveyors for negligence? Would the claim be statute barred or would 'date of knowledge' rules apply?

    Thanks in advance for your thoughts - This isn't homework btw!


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,632 ✭✭✭NoQuarter


    Who would pay for the work?

    Fire Services Act, 1981 says:

    s.18 - "It shall be the duty of every person having control over premises to which this section applies to take all reasonable measures to guard against the outbreak of fire on such premises, and to ensure as far as is reasonably practicable the safety of persons on the premises in the event of an outbreak of fire"

    So I would say that is the answer to that.


    Not sure about the insurance question but I would imagine there would be an argument in negligence or perhaps contract in that the premises would not be up to a certain standard.

    You dont say when the fire would have occured but date of knowledge always applies, just be sure to consider constructive knowledge too. More facts would be needed for most questions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    Sorry in this scenario its a resident that has concerns rather than a fire that has occurred.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Corkblowin


    You'd need to look at the transitional arrangements for the regulations. The more recent editions allow older versions to be used where planning permission had been applied for prior to the regulations coming into effect. They could legally be in the clear, if not morally.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Nate--IRL--


    Building and Fire regulations to be complied with are those in effect when planning permission has been granted - not when the building was completed.

    Nate


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    Should a Chartered Engineer and Chartered Safety and Health practitioner be aware of that or would it be something they would need to secure legal advice on?


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Nate--IRL--


    They might not directly be aware of that - but a fire safety consultant should be aware of it.

    Nate


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Corkblowin


    I'd always check to see what regs I'm supposed to be assessing the building against, but they may not have had access to the permission documents or whatever.

    Building and Fire regulations to be complied with are those in effect when planning permission has been granted - not when the building was completed.

    Nate

    The current Part B transitional arrangements referred to the date permission was applied for, not granted.


Advertisement