DealRush - Saorview/Freesat Package Deal

mossy464

What do people think of this deal?

http://www.dealrush.ie/deal.php?id=2910

Seems good to me for everything including installation unless i'm missing something.

evilivor

mossy464 wrote: »

What do people think of this deal?

http://www.dealrush.ie/deal.php?id=2910

Seems good to me for everything including installation unless i'm missing something.

It's not Freesat - it's a combo box.

mossy464

evilivor wrote: »

It's not Freesat - it's a combo box.

Yes but i'm assuming its a combo box for Freesat and Saorview no?

evilivor

mossy464 wrote: »

Yes but i'm assuming its a combo box for Freesat and Saorview no?

No. It a combo box for Saorview and free to air, not Freesat. There will be issues with retuning and probably the EPG.

Freesat uses it's own proprietary 8 day EPG.

mossy464

evilivor wrote: »

No. It a combo box for Saorview and free to air, not Freesat. There will be issues with retuning and probably the EPG.

Freesat uses it's own proprietary 8 day EPG.

Oh yeah, thats fine as long as its a sat/saorview combo.

Not having the freesat epg doesnt bother me.

snaps

seems its advertising FREEVIEW and not FREESAT. When will people learn the difference.

mossy464

Seems like a good deal anyway. Its for a relative and a package like this would be ideal for them to switch to digital.

Will be a major step up from RTE 1 and 2 anyway

Was going to buy the kit for them and self install but a kit could cost close to 200.

250 for everything including installation seems a bargain.

excollier

snaps wrote: »

seems its advertising FREEVIEW and not FREESAT. When will people learn the difference.

Never.

St Senan

If its a combo box that is been advertised for Saorview then I would say to the OP make sure it is a approved Saorview combo with the Saorview logo on it. such as http://www.saorview.ie/product/triax/ or http://www.saorview.ie/product/walker/
Too many people are been stung by guys/installers flogging Ariva/Xoro or Opticum/Amiko and other weird names as Saorview approved equipment. And I would also say that before any guy attempts to climb a ladder or drill a hole at any customers house that he produces proof that he has PL insurance cover.

mossy464

I mailed the company yesterday who are providing the package and they said they use triax 114 or fergusion 150 hd boxes.

St Senan

Go with the Triax tsc 114 as its a Saorview approved receiver. The ferguson is just a generic combo box which is been touted as saorview by some installers. Also make sure the installer has a copy of his PL insurance at hand to show you.

Digifriendly

snaps wrote: »

seems its advertising FREEVIEW and not FREESAT. When will people learn the difference.

Freeview is UK DTT and has not anything to do with satellite. Think you mean FTA satellite rather than Freeview.

Extinction

Knowing the trade price for a tsc114, dish, aerial, pole and lashing, screened cable etc as I do, I would guess that something is not right with this advertisment.
Have you checked if the advertiser is a registered saorview retailer or an installer registered with one of the trade bodies recognised by Saorview? Maybe it would be best to revert to your plan for self install?

steveon

Extinction wrote: »

Knowing the trade price for a tsc114, dish, aerial, pole and lashing, screened cable etc as I do, I would guess that something is not right with this advertisment.
Have you checked if the advertiser is a registered saorview retailer or an installer registered with one of the trade bodies recognised by Saorview? Maybe it would be best to revert to your plan for self install?

Totally agree with you, the price alone of the Triax box, dish, aerial, brackets, pole would be almost that price, then factor in cable,clips, fuel to get there ...its impossible to do it at that price as ud be loosing money ....

bmm

Navarre wrote: »

Go with the Triax tsc 114 as its a Saorview approved receiver. The ferguson is just a generic combo box which is been touted as saorview by some installers. Also make sure the installer has a copy of his PL insurance at hand to show you.

What is wrong with the ferguson that it is not Saorview approved? Dont say Teletext. Who uses Teletext ?

Extinction

bmm wrote: »

What is wrong with the ferguson that it is not Saorview approved? Dont say Teletext. Who uses Teletext ?

RTE have said many times that unapproved boxes may not work with planned future services. That alone should be enough of a warning.

excollier

Well then, it's about time RTE stopped scratching themselves and decide upon and publish their intended specs so that folk, and installers, could plan the type of receivers to use.
They have had plenty of time by now.
When Freeview was first launched, Pace had a twin tuner pvr available in pretty short time.
RTE probably don't have to plan for any spec changes like Freeview has had to do, at least twice now, so surely they have some idea of what is needed, or are they not giving it any forethough at all?

byte

RTE did decide... so just buy Saorview approved STB's.

Extinction

excollier wrote: »

Well then, it's about time RTE stopped scratching themselves and decide upon and publish their intended specs so that folk, and installers, could plan the type of receivers to use.
They have had plenty of time by now.
When Freeview was first launched, Pace had a twin tuner pvr available in pretty short time.
RTE probably don't have to plan for any spec changes like Freeview has had to do, at least twice now, so surely they have some idea of what is needed, or are they not giving it any forethough at all?

RTE have decided and published their specs. The Ariva doesnt meet the specs.

St Senan

If a Cafe is offering a Panini on its menu then I would not accept a slice of toast as its equivalent.

There is nothing wrong with the Ferguson Ariva at all I use it for Installations where there are mixed nationality's in a house that want Irish, English and European/Arabic and Asian tv. But when a customer is wanting saorview combi then there is only 2 names that are approved Triax and Walker. The advertisement at the start of the thread says Saorview so the OP should choose the Saorview approved Triax tsc 114 instead of the unapproved Ferguson Ariva. As others pointed out that the trade price of the equipment (approved receiver, aerial, dish, pole, lashing kit and cradle ) involved to supply a Saorview approved combi system adds up to roughly the price that this add says it will supply and FIT a saorview combi for. So I wonder is this guy is going to take a big big hit and supply the proper equipment that he is using the saorview logo to promote. ????

excollier

byte wrote: »

RTE did decide... so just buy Saorview approved STB's.

That's fine, but as I rarely watch RTE myself, I make do with a Freeview HD receiver, it gets switched on and does the job pretty well. Humax Foxsat HDR for 99.9% of viewing.
As for others, well, Saorview spec would be the best advice, for sure.
But why no Saorview PVRs yet, with series link etc? Not like it's a new concept or anything, is it?
Anyway, most unlikely to ever be a fully compatible Freesat/Saorview solution. So the Triax or Walker are probably the best bet for now.

LLU

steveon wrote: »

Totally agree with you, the price alone of the Triax box, dish, aerial, brackets, pole would be almost that price, then factor in cable,clips, fuel to get there ...its impossible to do it at that price as ud be loosing money ....

Only if you are paying tax, and not claiming welfare.

steveon

LLU wrote: »

Only if you are paying tax, and not claiming welfare.

Even then It wouldnt be possible as the equipment alone isnt far off that price.

STB

Extinction wrote: »

RTE have decided and published their specs. The Ariva doesnt meet the specs.

Anyone who sells these quite clearly states that they dont do MHEG5.

Besides MHEG5 software, how does it not meet the spec ?

Extinction wrote: »

RTE have said many times that unapproved boxes may not work with planned future services. That alone should be enough of a warning.

This is scare mongering and simply untrue. Anyone technically proficient enough to read RTENL's spec sheet and that of a HD combo box, knows that there are no hidden surprises.

There is nothing (outside MHEG5) in the Saorview spec that most HD combo boxes on the market will not handle. I dont sell boxes so I have nothing to gain or loose but I do understand why there would be an agenda towards the Ariva/Amiko/Golden Media ranges and that of the new triple HD tuners which have arrived now on the market at prices more affordable than the overpriced and badly positioned Triax and Walker approved combo boxes. I wouldn't want to be stuck with a load of them either. Neither would I like to be in a position where you are competing with people who are using more cheaply available if unapproved hardware towards approved combo products that are simply way overpriced.

There is a better way of approaching this issue, which is to tackle your problem as an installer which is the fly by nights passing certain boxes as being approved. Don't go after the boxes, especially with incorrect information and or scare mongering, because there will be people on this forum technically proficient to pull you up on your statements.

Cesium Clock

If a company advertises using saorview logos ( which unless a saorview approved retailer) you cannot use, is it unreasonable not to expect a saorview approved receiver..?

STB

Cesium Clock wrote: »

If a company advertises using saorview logos ( which unless a saorview approved retailer) you cannot use, is it unreasonable not to expect a saorview approved receiver..?

Absolutely not.

My point Cesium is that there is a way of dealing with the problem, which is not the product, but rather the products certification and how that is advertised. I am seeing to much dissing of affordable and working Combo boxes. Tackle the root of the issue which is this type of installers themselves and their infringement of certification logos, not the equipment they install.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/consumer_affairs/consumer_protection/consumer_rights/consumer_advertising.html

This can be tackled quite easily without people resorting to vague and incorrect statements about unapproved hardware.

Cesium Clock

STB wrote: »

Absolutely not.

My point Cesium is that there is a way of dealing with the problem, which is not the product, but rather the products certification and how that is advertised. I am seeing to much dissing of affordable and working Combo boxes. Tackle the root of the issue which is this type of installers themselves and their infringement of certification logos, not the equipment they install.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/consumer_affairs/consumer_protection/consumer_rights/consumer_advertising.html

This can be tackled quite easily without people resorting to vague and incorrect statements about unapproved hardware.

I have a clapped out skoda for sale , but you can buy it as a Mercedes

Same principle do you want to buy it ?

STB

Cesium Clock wrote: »

I have a clapped out skoda for sale , but you can buy it as a Mercedes

Same principle do you want to buy it ?

I really hope you are not describing a Triax or a Walker Combo box as a Mercedes because they are far from it.

For a start even if they are approved boxes, outside MHEG5 they do not do anything more that am unapproved HD box (half their price) does not do. Infact the new range of affordable triple tuners should be a wake up call to Triax and Walker about how and where the STB market is going and what people expectations and requirements are. Purpose, Affordability and Extras. Principles of a set top box. It is shame we don't have an approved PVR focused box. The price point of Saorview "approved" combo boxes is nothing short of an insult to anyone's intelligence. There are plenty of reasons to buy unapproved equipment over approved equipment. Knowing this, some might wonder which is the clapped out Skoda!

Your analogy does not work. Go after the installer, not the hardware.

St Senan

If a Cafe is offering a Panini on its menu then I would not accept a slice of toast as its equivalent


As I said earlier I use unapproved Arivas for jobs with Disecq switching. I find them brilliant for that purpose. There is a big problem with installers using unapproved receivers and advertising and installing them as saorview systems. There is no way that the guy in the add on the 1st post can supply and install a Tsc114, lashing kit, cradle, 60cm dish, 6-8ft pole and grid or wideband aerial for €250. And then pay for the equipment income tax and expenses out of that €250

Cesium Clock

STB wrote: »

I really hope you are not describing a Triax or a Walker Combo box as a Mercedes because they are far from it.

For a start even if they are approved boxes, outside MHEG5 they do not do anything more that am unapproved HD box (half their price) does not do. Infact the new range of affordable triple tuners should be a wake up call to Triax and Walker about how where the STB market is going and what people expectations are. Purpose, Affordability and Extras. Principles of a set top box. It is shame we dont have an approved PVR focused box. The price point of Saorview "approved" combo boxes is nothing short of an insult to anyones intelligence.

Your analogy does not work. Go after the installer, not the hardware.

I have installed hundreds of Arivas, over the past year bought from 4 different suppliers,

I have also replaced about 40% of said arivas within the last couple of months,

Of the 40% replaced main faults

1. Dead,
2. DVBT Tuner dead
3. Remote control malfunction
4. Sat channels freezing ( crap tuner)

I don't sell arivas anymore, they are cheap ****e , more trouble than they are worth.

The point is Arivas and the like have not been thro the expensive approval procedure and if SAorview decide to implement something that involves mheg5, like an epg with series link or rte player it's not going to work on an ARiva.

And the word Freesat should not be any where near an ARiva or other non freesat box,

Freesat is a brand name and a TV platform as is SAorview,

The ASO is in October and the main player is SAORVIEW (rtenl) they have put the specs down and upgraded the infrastructure

So you want people to spend money on some **** from Poland ?

And you wonder why the country is in ****e

STB

Cesium Clock wrote: »

I have installed hundreds of Arivas, over the past year bought from 4 different suppliers,

I have also replaced about 40% of said arivas within the last couple of months,

Of the 40% replaced main faults

1. Dead,
2. DVBT Tuner dead
3. Remote control malfunction
4. Sat channels freezing ( crap tuner)

I don't sell arivas anymore, they are cheap ****e , more trouble than they are worth.

The point is Arivas and the like have not been thro the expensive approval procedure and if SAorview decide to implement something that involves mheg5, like an epg with series link or rte player it's not going to work on an ARiva.

And the word Freesat should not be any where near an ARiva or other non freesat box,

Freesat is a brand name and a TV platform as is SAorview,

The ASO is in October and the main player is SAORVIEW (rtenl) they have put the specs down and upgraded the infrastructure

So you want people to spend money on some **** from Poland ?

And you wonder why the country is in ****e

Good God I really dont know where to start in pointing out the inaccuracies of your expectations of what Saorview will and will not do and what their approved boxes will and will not do. Are you an approved installer ?

I do wonder why the country is in ****e, I doubt it is to do with DVB-T though.

Cesium Clock

STB wrote: »

Good God I really dont know where to start in pointing out the inaccuracies of your expectations of what Saorview will and will not do and what their approved boxes will and will not do. Are you an approved installer ?

I do wonder why the country is in ****e, I doubt it is to do with DVB-T though.

Are you an approved installer? and if you are and still pursuing the merits of unapproved equipment you should be deeply ashamed of yourself


It's amazing when I point out the short falls of unapproved equipment on this forum, I always get the question are you involved in the trade,

Wether I am or not has no relevance , as you said we are talking hardware here,

STB

Cesium Clock wrote: »

Are you an approved installer? and if you are and still pursuing the merits of unapproved equipment you should be deeply ashamed of yourself

I don't sell anything Cesium. Unapproved equipment is not the issue. I will continue to pursue and discuss the merits of other unapproved equipment as I have done since I started posting on this forum in 2008 (when the TV service started).

It is worrying that an installer would come out with even more frightening and misguided assumptions about how Saorview will deliver interactive services and series recording.

Cesium Clock wrote: »

Wether I am or not has no relevance , as you said we are talking hardware here,

It is relevant if you do not understand the limitations of what you are installing!!

Why try and bluff someone on a technical forum ?

Cesium Clock

STB wrote: »

I don't sell anything Cesium. Unapproved equipment is not the issue. I will continue to pursue and discuss the merits of other unapproved equipment as I have done since I started posting on this forum in 2008 (when the TV service started).

It is worrying that an installer would come out with even more frightening and misguided assumptions about how Saorview will deliver interactive services and series recording.

Why try and bluff someone on a technical forum ?

So youre not an installer, and you have had an interest since 2008.

And you are sure that MHEG5 will not play a part in SAorviews plans,

I was about in England when sky digital was only a concept on a computer screen, I was also involved with the launch of On Digital

There's no bluff

Extinction

STB wrote: »

I don't sell anything Cesium. Unapproved equipment is not the issue. I will continue to pursue and discuss the merits of other unapproved equipment as I have done since I started posting on this forum in 2008 (when the TV service started).

It is worrying that an installer would come out with even more frightening and misguided assumptions about how Saorview will deliver interactive services and series recording.

Why try and bluff someone on a technical forum ?

What do you know about RTE or TV3's future plans that you can make that statement?

STB

Cesium Clock wrote: »

And you are sure that MHEG5 will not play a part in SAorviews plans,

I did not say that.

What I said was that you did not understand what you are talking about.

For what it is worth, you will know from my previous posts in installer related issues that I am very much against fly by night merchants.

Lads, give it up. Play the ball not the man.

Cesium Clock

STB wrote: »

It is worrying that an installer would come out with even more frightening and misguided assumptions about how Saorview will deliver interactive services and series recording.

Of course you didn't

STB

Cesium Clock wrote: »

The ASO is in October and the main player is SAORVIEW (rtenl) they have put the specs down and upgraded the infrastructure

So you want people to spend money on some **** from Poland ?

And you wonder why the country is in ****e

Like I said Saorview has been on since August 2008 and many have been discussing it since the Trial days in 2007. We really don't need some Johnny come lately attempting to explain what we already know, badly.

Cesium Clock wrote: »

So youre not an installer, and you have had an interest since 2008.

And I dont sell anything. This is a technical forum for terrestrial Television, not an Aerial & Satellite installers forum. It might shock you that some people that post here are technically competent!

Cesium Clock wrote: »

The point is Arivas and the like have not been thro the expensive approval procedure and if SAorview decide to implement something that involves 1mheg5, like an epg with 2series link or 3rte player 4it's not going to work on an ARiva.

If you do want to be taken seriously you may wish to educate yourself on the specification for Saorview and the limitation of those approved little boxes you are installing.

1. There are no plans that I know of to implement an MHEG5 based EPG. It would be a ridiculous implementation for such a small amount of TV stations. The current service delivers its EPG via DVB EIT and has done since 2008. All TVs and STBs that carry the DVB logo will decipher this.

2. The Series Link data will most likely be delivered using CRID which is delivered via data in the streams. Nothing to do with MHEG5.

3. Said Current Approved Saorview certified products that you are installing don't support series link anyhow. Series link will most likely be implemented on approved Dual tuner boxes that have yet to reach the market. Hence no such service on at present.

4. RTE player is not part of the Saorview spec so don't expect current certified products to support RTE player. It is not in their software.

But you should really have known all that.

Cesium Clock

STB wrote: »

Like I said Saorview has been on since August 2008 and many have been discussing it since the Trial days in 2007. We really don't need some Johnny come lately attempting to explain what we already know, badly.


And I dont sell anything. This is a technical forum for terrestrial Television, not an Aerial & Satellite installers forum. It might shock you that some people that post here are technically competent!



If you do want to be taken seriously you may wish to educate yourself on the specification for Saorview and the limitation of those approved little boxes you are installing.

1. There are no plans that I know of to implement an MHEG5 based EPG. It would be a ridiculous implementation for such a small amount of TV stations. The current service delivers its EPG via DVB EIT and has done since 2008. All TVs and STBs that carry the DVB logo will decipher this.

2. The Series Link data will most likely be delivered using CRID which is delivered via data in the streams. Nothing to do with MHEG5.

3. Said Current Approved Saorview certified products that you are installing don't support series link anyhow. Series link will most likely be implemented on Dual tuner boxes that have yet to reach the market. Hence no such service on at present.

4. RTE player is not part of the Saorview spec so don't expect current certified products to support RTE player. It is not in their software.

1.But you should really have known all that.

2.There are no plans THAT YOU KNOW OF and you are?

3.Most likely but you are not certain

4. MHEG5 is in the SAORVIEW spec, is it there just for a laugh or superiorority, or do you think it's there for a valid reason?

Excellent speculative post.

Do you advise fergusons firmware coders ?

STB

Cesium Clock wrote: »

2.There are no plans THAT YOU KNOW OF and you are?

3.Most likely but you are not certain

4. MHEG5 is in the SAORVIEW spec, is it there just for a laugh or superiorority, or do you think it's there for a valid reason?

Excellent speculative post.

Speculative ? hmmm I wonder what the interaction between MHEG5 and RTE player is in your mind and what dependencies you might have missed!

Cesium Clock wrote: »

Do you advise fergusons firmware coders ?

Advise ?

You are an installer ? LOL. Good Luck. Hope you learnt something today Mr "On Digital". Please stop.

Cesium Clock

STB wrote: »

Speculative ?



Advise ?

You are an installer ? LOL. Good Luck. Hope you learnt something today Mr "On Digital". Fail.

On digital failed because of the content,

As you are

Cesium Clock

STB wrote: »

Speculative ? hmmm I wonder what the interaction between MHEG5 and RTE player is in your mind and what dependencies you might have missed!



Advise ?

Google it,

STB

Cesium Clock wrote: »

On digital failed because of the content,

As you are

On Digital failed largely due to its choice of modulation and encryption system, but you would know that, having worked there.

Please dont show yourself up anymore. Your grasp of the basics is unbelievable.

Enough.

Cesium Clock

STB wrote: »

On Digital failed largely due to its choice of modulation and encryption system, but you would know that, having worked there.

Please dont show yourself up anymore. Your grasp of the basics is unbelievable.

Enough.

It failed due to the deal with the football league , And one of murdochs lads working at nds,

And was rebranded as freeview

St Senan

It should have happened a lot lot sooner and then the public would have been more aware that cheap is not always cheerful.
It was about time that RTE/saorview published the correct prices for supplying Saorview and installing aerial and dishes for saorview and saorview combi sysytems. Now people will realise the proper price for Approved equipment installed.

Compton

whats the story with sky basic? 36-39 channels and over 100 satellite channels. As opposed to?