Anyone using veggie oil?

martyc5674

Where do ye find good to get it from?
Aldi/lidl etc?
Marty.

Big Nasty

Extra Virgin Olive Oil FTW!

martyc5674

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Extra Virgin Olive Oil FTW!

Hmmm... Do you buy it in brown Thomas?!!

Cheapest/ mist convenient I've seen is 5L veg oil in lidl for 4.98 a while back... Any better deals to be had???
Cheers
Marty.

trad

Ran a VW Caravelle 2.4 on it for a while afew years back until lidl copped on.

Smelt like a chipper following you around but engine ran quitier. Don't recall any difference in consumption or performance.

MugMugs

trad wrote: »

Ran a VW Caravelle 2.4 on it for a while afew years back until lidl copped on.

Smelt like a chipper following you around but engine ran quitier. Don't recall any difference in consumption or performance.

Why did Lidl care that you were buying their product?

Yakuza

^^Because if you're using it as fuel, you have to pay extra duty on it^^
I'm not sure on the legals, but perhaps the seller could be found partially liable, if they were selling gallons of the stuff which wasn't for food preparation, so they were covering their ass?

Matt Simis

Yakuza wrote: »

^^Because if you're using it as fuel, you have to pay extra duty on it^^
I'm not sure on the legals, but perhaps the seller could be found partially liable, if they were selling gallons of the stuff which wasn't for food preparation, so they were covering their ass?

Think it was more the case that the price of Veg Oil skyrocketed worldwide and it made running on it barely any better than paying (duty paid) diesel. Certainly with duty on the Veg Oil at even 99c a litre (rare these days) it costs more than diesel.

Given a typical shop display had maybe 10 bottles out, people running cars on it were clearing it out in one go and causing stock keeping and display issues too.

trad

Antares wrote: »

Why did Lidl care that you were buying their product?

Because me and plenty like me were buying 50 lt at a go and they almost doubled the price. Also some non envirinmental types were pouring the oil into their tanks in the lidl car park and dumping the bottles there.

Big Nasty

martyc5674 wrote: »

Hmmm... Do you buy it in brown Thomas?!!

No, Musgraves. Why?

martyc5674

MCMLXXV wrote: »

martyc5674 wrote: »

Hmmm... Do you buy it in brown Thomas?!!

No, Musgraves. Why?

Cos you could be paying more for it if you shopped around.

ballooba

Used veg oil is an interesting one. I know someone who used to run a veg oil recycling business and he would just filter it using old nylons for his Hilux.

MugMugs

Yakuza wrote: »

^^Because if you're using it as fuel, you have to pay extra duty on it^^
I'm not sure on the legals, but perhaps the seller could be found partially liable, if they were selling gallons of the stuff which wasn't for food preparation, so they were covering their ass?

So if I bought a LIDL knife and stabbed you, LIDL could be vicariously liable? I don't quite see why to be honest.

maddragon

I ran a 1990 Mercedes 190D on it for years when veggie oil was 38cent. Slight drop in performance but mpg was the same. Needed a preheater in winter though.

MugMugs

maddragon wrote: »

I ran a 1990 Mercedes 190D on it for years when veggie oil was 38cent. Slight drop in performance but mpg was the same. Needed a preheater in winter though.

I'd imagine the fuel lines would have to be heated too though? What about the fuel already pumped and on the way and in the system solidifying ?

flanzer

Slightly off topic, slightly on topic. I recently changed over from Gas Oil central heating to Natural Gas, but have about a 1/4 tank left of Gas Oil. Would that work in my Passat 1.9 Tdi 105 bhp PD engine?

Edit: It's not Kerosene btw. It's was a 20 year old heating system that I removed

Otherwise, I'm going to need to dispose of it somewhere else

martyc5674

flanzer wrote: »

Slightly off topic, slightly on topic. I recently changed over from Gas Oil central heating to Natural Gas, but have about a 1/4 tank left of Gas Oil. Would that work in my Passat 1.9 Tdi 105 bhp PD engine?

Edit: It's not Kerosene btw. It's was a 20 year old heating system that I removed

Otherwise, I'm going to need to dispose of it somewhere else

Where you based???... It will work in your passat but it's illegal.
I'd take it off your hands.., for the heating of course.
Marty.

maddragon

Antares wrote: »

I'd imagine the fuel lines would have to be heated too though? What about the fuel already pumped and on the way and in the system solidifying ?

Well spotted. There was a heat exchanger installed that the heated the fuel lines from the cooling system. In winter I put about 5-10% petrol into the tank to prevent solidification. Somedays though you could not start the car in the morning until the temp rose.

MugMugs

maddragon wrote: »

Well spotted. There was a heat exchanger installed that the heated the fuel lines from the cooling system. In winter I put about 5-10% petrol into the tank to prevent solidification. Somedays though you could not start the car in the morning until the temp rose.

Did you DIY the installation of the heating system or have somebody do it for you? Was it pricey?

ballooba

maddragon wrote: »

Well spotted. There was a heat exchanger installed that the heated the fuel lines from the cooling system. In winter I put about 5-10% petrol into the tank to prevent solidification. Somedays though you could not start the car in the morning until the temp rose.

Petrol? In a Diesel engine?

MugMugs

ballooba wrote: »

Petrol? In a Diesel engine?

In an old Diesel it won't do much harm if any.

Good way of keeping the Diesel from solidifying in extremely cold temperatures.

kuro2k

Antares wrote: »

I'd imagine the fuel lines would have to be heated too though? What about the fuel already pumped and on the way and in the system solidifying ?

maddragon wrote: »

Well spotted. There was a heat exchanger installed that the heated the fuel lines from the cooling system. In winter I put about 5-10% petrol into the tank to prevent solidification. Somedays though you could not start the car in the morning until the temp rose.

Why are you using petrol?

I used to use veg oil in my hilux 20% Diesel and the rest Veg oil in summer. I increased the diesel content to 40% in the winter, that way you have no need for expensive heat exchangers etc





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flanzer

martyc5674 wrote: »

Where you based???... It will work in your passat but it's illegal.
I'd take it off your hands.., for the heating of course.
Marty.

Thanks for that. I had a feeling it might work alright

If I get a conscience I might call on ya to remove it! :pac:.. for yourself on course

ballooba

Antares wrote: »

In an old Diesel it won't do much harm if any.

Good way of keeping the Diesel from solidifying in extremely cold temperatures.

Never heard of that. Thanks for the clarification.

maddragon

Antares wrote: »

Did you DIY the installation of the heating system or have somebody do it for you? Was it pricey?

It was done when I bought the car by the previous owner.

maddragon

kuro2k wrote: »

Why are you using petrol?

I used to use veg oil in my hilux 20% Diesel and the rest Veg oil in summer. I increased the diesel content to 40% in the winter, that way you have no need for expensive heat exchangers etc





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That's another way of doing it but the car had been converted when I bought it and at the time diesel was 3 times the price of cooking oil and 15 times the cost of used cooking oil. My next plan is to get an EV and run it off the PV array I'll be installing on the house. Solar PV is my thing now.

George Dalton

kuro2k wrote: »

I used to use veg oil in my hilux 20% Diesel and the rest Veg oil in summer. I increased the diesel content to 40% in the winter, that way you have no need for expensive heat exchangers etc

I used to do the same with an old 1.6td Jetta. Could fill the tank for €27 and do 500 miles. Those were the days :pac:

Then they doubled the price of the stuff

wildefalcon

Don't use veg oil, without lots of research, in modern Common rail engines, they can be very fussy. Not to mention expensive to fix.

Older non-direct injection diesels with the Bosch fuel injection pumps are best for veg oil.

Direct injection heads can gum up over a few thousand miles, and would need to be "de-coked" almost, if not using tank and line heaters.


Also - the Revenue allow you to self-declare the duty on the oil each month, if you do, you get a receipt for the duty, which you can keep in the glovebox for when you are pulled by the Customs White hats.

dgt

Theres a thread on the legality of veg oil, search for it. The legal way about it.

Indirect is the way foreward. Anything but Lucas.

wildefalcon

dgt wrote: »

Theres a thread on the legality of veg oil, search for it. The legal way about it.

Indirect is the way foreward. Anything but Lucas.

Oh, yes! The lucas/rotodiesel/CAV system is utterly dependent on the diesel to lubricate the top bearing.

The veg oil doesn't get there - so the bearing doesn't get lube.

Yakuza

Antares wrote: »

So if I bought a LIDL knife and stabbed you, LIDL could be vicariously liable? I don't quite see why to be honest.

In general, yes, a shop shouldn't be held liable for the actions of someone using something they sold, but selling dozens of litres of veggie oil to an end user that doesn't own a chipper or some other catering facility might *God forbid:rolleyes:* be trying to defraud the state of some fuel duty, so LIDL mightn't want to be seen to be aiding such activity.

As someone else pointed out, it might have been more to do with stock and display issues.