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free to air on indoor

  • 22-07-2012 10:25pm
    #1
    whiteonblu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭


    Can you get free to air with an indoor amplified ariel. I do not mean freeview but whatever channels you get with a free to air outdoor ariel in ireland


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  • #2
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,852 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    whiteonblu wrote: »
    Can you get free to air with an indoor amplified ariel. I do not mean freeview but whatever channels you get with a free to air outdoor ariel in ireland

    I assume you're referring to Saorview.

    The use of an indoor aerial will depend on the Saorview signal strength/quality where you locate the aerial. RTÉNL, the network operator will always recommend an outdoor aerial.

    This from them
    Can I Use An Indoor Portable Aerial, Rabbits Ears?

    RTÉNL does not recommend the use of indoor portable aerials. They are too susceptible to localised physical and electrical interference. Terrestrial transmission of television, analogue and digital, is designed and built around rooftop reception.

    It will be possible for over 50% of the population to receive SAORVIEW with an indoor portable aerial. However on a house to house basis there are many factors than impact on the effectiveness of a portable aerial. For example the orientation of your house, the location of the television in the house, the construction materials, the insulation materials, the proximity to neighbouring houses, walls and obstructions will all impact reception.

    An outdoor aerial, positioned as high as possible, pointing towards the appropriate transmission site, with no local obstructions is recommended and will give the best results.



  • #3
    whiteonblu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭whiteonblu


    The Cush wrote: »
    I assume you're referring to Saorview.

    The use of an indoor aerial will depend on the Saorview signal strength/quality where you locate the aerial. RTÉNL, the network operator will always recommend an outdoor aerial.

    This from them
    Thanks. Actualy i meant channels that are apparently only available with a dish. I know someone who can get these but does not have a dish but a special outdoor ariel. I had a read and expect it is not possible to get them without a dish or special ariel. I was just curious prompted by investigating saorview for someone else I rarely watch TV myself


  • #4
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,852 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    whiteonblu wrote: »
    Actualy i meant channels that are apparently only available with a dish. I know someone who can get these but does not have a dish but a special outdoor ariel. I had a read and expect it is not possible to get them without a dish or special ariel.

    The only special outdoor aerial I can think of is an MMDS aerial that carries satellite channels but that requires a subscription to UPC. Suggest you speak to that person to clarify.

    The Irish channels are available FTA with standard UHF aerial and in certain parts of the country the UK channels are also available if you live close enough to a UK transmitter.


  • #5
    bmaxi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,859 ✭✭✭bmaxi


    Sometimes I get confused when people say indoor aerials don't work. First of all let me say that I believe an outdoor aerial will be the best solution every time but I live in Courtown Co. Wexford, probably one of the worst reception areas in the country, due to the reduced power situation at Mt Leinster and I have no problem picking up Saorview on an indoor aerial. Granted, in the downstairs room I have to be very careful where I place it but upstairs, no problem at all. The aerial is a loop type, amplified one I bought in Lidl a few years back. I would hope that when Mt. Leinster switches channels in October, I would be able to switch to a non-amplified aerial. Incidentally, I could never get reliable RTE reception on analogue


  • #6
    whiteonblu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭whiteonblu


    bmaxi wrote: »
    Sometimes I get confused when people say indoor aerials don't work. First of all let me say that I believe an outdoor aerial will be the best solution every time but I live in Courtown Co. Wexford, probably one of the worst reception areas in the country, due to the reduced power situation at Mt Leinster and I have no problem picking up Saorview on an indoor aerial. Granted, in the downstairs room I have to be very careful where I place it but upstairs, no problem at all. The aerial is a loop type, amplified one I bought in Lidl a few years back. I would hope that when Mt. Leinster switches channels in October, I would be able to switch to a non-amplified aerial. Incidentally, I could never get reliable RTE reception on analogue
    i know how you feel;) is digital being broadcast now for people with boxes


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  • #7
    Gerry Wicklow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,568 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    bmaxi wrote: »
    Sometimes I get confused when people say indoor aerials don't work. First of all let me say that I believe an outdoor aerial will be the best solution every time but I live in Courtown Co. Wexford, probably one of the worst reception areas in the country, due to the reduced power situation at Mt Leinster and I have no problem picking up Saorview on an indoor aerial. Granted, in the downstairs room I have to be very careful where I place it but upstairs, no problem at all. The aerial is a loop type, amplified one I bought in Lidl a few years back. I would hope that when Mt. Leinster switches channels in October, I would be able to switch to a non-amplified aerial. Incidentally, I could never get reliable RTE reception on analogue

    You have answered your own point. Some people may be more forgiving or tolerant of signal standards, but others don't want the picture going every time a truck goes by or next door's central heating cuts in or when the cat walks across the room.
    The point is that SaorView was designed to work with outdoor aerials and recommends people use them. Some can be lucky enough to get great reception on an indoor aerial but it can literally be down to luck. What works well for you could be useless for your neighbour.


  • #8
    Ronnie Raygun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Ronnie Raygun


    bmaxi wrote: »
    I live in Courtown Co. Wexford, probably one of the worst reception areas in the country, due to the reduced power situation at Mt Leinster and I have no problem picking up Saorview on an indoor aerial.

    If you really lived in "one of the worst reception areas", you wouldn't get anything with an indoor aerial. Are you referring to the temporary power reductions of the past few weeks at Mt. Leinster?


  • #9
    bmaxi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,859 ✭✭✭bmaxi


    Gerry Wicklow wrote: »
    You have answered your own point. Some people may be more forgiving or tolerant of signal standards, but others don't want the picture going every time a truck goes by or next door's central heating cuts in or when the cat walks across the room.
    The point is that SaorView was designed to work with outdoor aerials and recommends people use them. Some can be lucky enough to get great reception on an indoor aerial but it can literally be down to luck. What works well for you could be useless for your neighbour.

    I accept your point, although I've never experienced breakup in those situations. What I'm saying is, if an indoor aerial works for me in the reduced power situation, then it may work for a lot of people in a full power situation. I'd rather speculate the seven or eight euro and "suck it and see". If it works then great, if not then not much loss.


  • #10
    bmaxi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,859 ✭✭✭bmaxi


    Ronnie Raygun wrote: »
    If you really lived in "one of the worst reception areas", you wouldn't get anything with an indoor aerial. Are you referring to the temporary power reductions of the past few weeks at Mt. Leinster?

    From what I understand, Mt. Leinster broadcasts on reduced power at all times to East Wexford because of interference to UK channels. Is this not the case? I haven't noticed any further power reductions recently but then I wouldn't be watching constantly.


  • #11
    Ronnie Raygun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Ronnie Raygun


    bmaxi wrote: »
    From what I understand, Mt. Leinster broadcasts on reduced power at all times to East Wexford because of interference to UK channels. Is this not the case?

    There will be directional restrictions towards the UK no matter what channel they use, but not enough to have any significant impact on the service area.


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  • #12
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,852 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    whiteonblu wrote: »
    i know how you feel;) is digital being broadcast now for people with boxes

    Yes. Officially since the end of May 2011. The rollout of the service started back in Aug 2008 as engineering test transmissions.

    Find your nearest recommended Saorview transmitter here - http://www.saorview.ie/make-the-switch/coverage-map/


  • #13
    bmaxi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,859 ✭✭✭bmaxi


    Ronnie Raygun wrote: »
    There will be directional restrictions towards the UK no matter what channel they use, but not enough to have any significant impact on the service area.

    I can really only go on what I've read on these forums and elsewhere but the general thinking seemed to be that Mt. Leinster was on reduced power, I don't know by what factor, to East Wexford because it broadcast on CH.45 making it clash with UK Channels in Wales. If the power restriction is maintained, whichever channel is used, will the restrictions also apply to transmitters within the same distance of NI after October? Three Rock wouldn't be much further from Armagh than Mt. Leinster is from Wales.


  • #14
    Ronnie Raygun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Ronnie Raygun


    You can see the directional restrictions agreed for transmitters under "broadcast licences-technical parameters", here: http://www.comreg.ie/radio_spectrum/technical_parameters.542.1071.html

    The restrictions are shown in terms of -dB from the full ERP in 10 degree sectors around the transmitting aerial.


  • #15
    bmaxi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,859 ✭✭✭bmaxi


    Ronnie Raygun wrote: »
    You can see the directional restrictions agreed for transmitters under "broadcast licences-technical parameters", here: http://www.comreg.ie/radio_spectrum/technical_parameters.542.1071.html

    The restrictions are shown in terms of -dB from the full ERP in 10 degree sectors around the transmitting aerial.

    Thanks for that. Unfortunately, clear as mud to me :)


  • #16
    lawhec
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭lawhec


    No one here to the best of my knowledge has said that indoor aerials will not work. What has been said is that outdoor aerials work better than indoor aerials, that an indoor aerial will gather less signal strength than one that is outdoors, and that an indoor aerial is more susceptible to interference which spoils reception compared to a properly installed outdoor aerial.

    Post no. 2 by the Cush in this thread explains that about 50% of the population may be able to use an indoor aerial for Saorview reception - this is very much down to a combination of what was previously medium to low powered analogue transmitter sites having Saorview at much higher powers than their analogue equivalents (Three Rock, Spur Hill, Woodcock Hill) and the installation at new sites close to major built up areas (Gallows Hill, Tonabrocky). Also a factor is tuner sensitivity which can vary across models, some are better than others.


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