[NSFW] **** society

crazy cabbage

**** society. Just seen this and have lost all respect for everything. **** this ****

Linky



Ps. Yes i know it is over a year old

HOS 1997

Terrible photo.

Mint Sauce

Hasn't the American soilders been caught in situations like this for years though.

dodderangler

You'd swear he was holdin a trophy stag in that pic
Fcukin Americans are disgusting that's a child

mikom

What are we looking at... before I click it?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

and what happened before that picture?

was that kid trying to attack the soldiers?
was his father trying to attack the soldiers?
or did the us military just send some troops on foot to somebodys farm to **** **** up and take photographs?

also adbusters.org
rofl
indymedia types

boomkatalog

Won't open on my phone, judging by comments I'm glad. Might be worth putting a warning before the link.

Edit: NM its added.

AnonoBoy

mikom wrote: »

What are we looking at... before I click it?

American soldier grinning as he kneels over a dead Afghan boy.

There's an article too.

le la rat

Its not very nice. Solider posing with his trophy (young guy lying dead beeing held up by smiling soilder)

mikom

AnonoBoy wrote: »

American soldier grinning as he kneels over a dead Afghan boy.

There's an article too.

No need for me to click it so.......... thanks.

*Awaits the arrival of the "Captain America" defenders from the Batman shooting thread.*

It's probably ok anyways as the soldier was in uniform...........

cocoshovel

hint: people have been doing things like this and far far worse things since time began. If that angers you then you'll probably have a septic fit if you new what really goes on in this world

Nforce

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

and what happened before that picture?

was that kid trying to attack the soldiers?
was his father trying to attack the soldiers?
or did the us military just send some troops on foot to somebodys farm to **** **** up and take photographs?

also adbusters.org
rofl
indymedia types

Exactly..we don't know what context the picture was taken in. If the dead guy was shooting at me/planting an IED with the intent of killing me or my comrades I'd have no qualms about killing him first. However, posing for photos afterwards with the "kill" is more than a little f**ked up and that should be dealt with by his superior officers.

crazy cabbage

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

and what happened before that picture?

was that kid trying to attack the soldiers?
was his father trying to attack the soldiers?
or did the us military just send some troops on foot to somebodys farm to **** **** up and take photographs?

also adbusters.org
rofl
indymedia types

I dont care what happened before that photo. America isn't on there home soil. They are killing poeple in another country. If afganastan or (insert country that America/britin invidaded) people went and did that in america they would be labled as terrorist and locked up and tourchered.

America will say that it is the 'war on terror' but how many people have died in america as a result of terrosim? I dont know but how many people have america killed trying to stop terrosim. Millions.

Call it terror on terror or war on war. Not war on terror bucouse that isn't what it is.

Either way even if killing that child was 100% justified (which it isn't and under no circumstances is justified), it isn't a prise to smile and laugh about

Dirk Gently

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

and what happened before that picture?

obviously something that justifies the picture according to you.

Teyla Emmagan

Why are you blaming this on society? You have lost respect for everything and everyone because of one pumped up moron?! A bit of balance may be required OP.

Duggy747

crazy cabbage wrote: »

**** society. Just seen this and have lost all respect for everything. **** this ****

If that made you lose respect for humanity then I wouldn't go looking too far into the deep web if I were you.

crazy cabbage

Duggy747 wrote: »

If that made you lose respect for humanity then I wouldn't go looking too far into the deep web if I were you.

So is it better to ignore everything that is actully happening in the world and hope that ist goes away?

dodderangler

cocoshovel wrote: »

hint: people have been doing things like this and far far worse things since time began. If that angers you then you'll probably have a septic fit if you new what really goes on in this world

Yeah but not takin pictures of it and puttin on the web
He probably got court marshalled for that

RMD

What angers me most about this scumbag is not only is he being extremely disrespectful to the dead, he is offering further propaganda to militants placing the lives of honest soldiers in greater danger.

This is the problem when you send mentally insecure people to war for such long deployments. It's no wonder more soldiers are dying due to PTSD related suicides than actual combat.

cocoshovel

dodderangler wrote: »

Yeah but not takin pictures of it and puttin on the web
He probably got court marshalled for that

That nothing compared to the stuff on the web....seriously. Even with a simple google search you can find videos of 6 year old kids being beheaded with knifes, and worse.

Duggy747

crazy cabbage wrote: »

So is it better to ignore everything that is actully happening in the world and hope that ist goes away?

Nope, but if a dickhead doing a stupid thing like that is enough to anger this much then you definitely won't like to see what people do to each other and post up on the web, especially the deep web.

Whatever the context of the picture is it was still a stupid and disrespectful thing on the soldier's part to do. But it's nothing that hasn't been seen before, like what happened in the Nam war at My Lai.

CrazyRabbit

The US military trains its soldiers to treat the enemy as sub human. It's to ensure that the soldiers don't have any moral qualms when it comes to following orders. The side effect is that even when not following orders...even when discharged from the army, that lack of respect for others remains.

But yes, the soldier in the pic is still an asshole, albeit one that was twisted by his training.

Biggins

crazy cabbage wrote: »

**** society. Just seen this and have lost all respect for everything. **** this ****

Linky



Ps. Yes i know it is over a year old

Wait till you see the video of 2 soldier's chucking a pup off into the air and down what looks like a quarry!

That will push you over the edge?

(No, not linking to it. Go Youtube!)

anamara86

Wish I hadn't clicked on the link, absolutely disgusting, poor boy!

crazy cabbage

Duggy747 wrote: »

Nope, but if a dickhead doing a stupid thing like that is enough to anger this much then you definitely won't like to see what people do to each other and post up on the web, especially the deep web.

Whatever the context of the picture is it was still a stupid and disrespectful thing on the soldier's part to do. But it's nothing that hasn't been seen before, like what happened in the Nam war at My Lai.

Exatly. Nam war at My Lai. Sickining. Why does society let this happen. If something similar happened in the middle east then society would call for the person in charge to stand down and face trial. sound farmilar? I dont understand why the same never happens to the leaders of 1st world countries. George bush/ obama /anyone-else that aloud the like of this to happen should be put on trial for what they aloud to happen under them. They might not have given the order but they knew enough. Just like the leader of al qaeda or anyother terrorist group would face trial for something that they might not have direct involvemnt in. They know enough.

NegativeCreep

And if that soldier gets his legs blown off by an IED he'll be rushed home and branded a "hero" and probably get an interview with Ellen.
I hate soldiers.

crazy cabbage

RMD wrote: »

What angers me most about this scumbag is not only is he being extremely disrespectful to the dead, he is offering further propaganda to militants placing the lives of honest soldiers in greater danger.

This is the problem when you send mentally insecure people to war for such long deployments. It's no wonder more soldiers are dying due to PTSD related suicides than actual combat.

i know what you mean. I dont agree with any terrorist groups but i can more than see where they are coming from if this is how soldiers treat people in there 'host' country.

Question: What is the difference between a 'terrorist' and a 'rebel fighter'?

Gummy Panda

He's conditioned to kill without moral outrage. Its not surprising this would happen. The only thing thats changed now is that we have digital equipment that allows us to share "trophies" like this around the world instantly.

Latchy

The photo is disgusting ,stomach churning and shameful in the extreme and it's nothing new to what goes on in war zones but it's a terrible reflection on the US Army and the inhumanity and behavior of some of their soldiers ,not to mention the pain and suffering of the boys family .

Gummy Panda wrote: »

He's conditioned to kill without moral outrage. Its not surprising this would happen. The only thing thats changed now is that we have digital equipment that allows us to share "trophies" like this around the world instantly.

Exactly , there was no internet during WW1/2 or Vietnam

biko

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Why are you blaming this on society? You have lost respect for everything and everyone because of one pumped up moron?! A bit of balance may be required OP.

Yeah it's not even Irish society but US (of course). The amount of **** the US comes up with is absolutely mindboggling.

However, it's an interesting read.
For instance it describes a manual for US torture on its prisoners:

Hosing a naked prisoner with water can last for 20 minutes if the water is at 5°C, 40 if it is at 10°C, and up to 60 if it is 15°C.
Torture by immersion can last up to 12 seconds, no more than 2 hours per day, for 30 consecutive days (a particularly tough prisoner underwent this torture 183 times over, in March 2003).

torture is no longer represented as an infraction of the common norm, regrettable but excusable; it is the legal norm.

Real Life

America **** Yeah. Their such heroes, serving their country like that.

shedweller

Go to liveleak and type "graphic" as your search term. That will test your stomach. Its a disgrace whats going on over there.

RMD

crazy cabbage wrote: »

i know what you mean. I dont agree with any terrorist groups but i can more than see where they are coming from if this is how soldiers treat people in there 'host' country.

Question: What is the difference between a 'terrorist' and a 'rebel fighter'?

A rebel fighter is supported by the West, a terrorist isn't. Personally I'd never call the Taliban rebel fighters, they're the scum of the earth trying to implement a fascist regime which has no regard for many human rights and civil liberties we consider basic.

crazy cabbage

RMD wrote: »

A rebel fighter is supported by the West, a terrorist isn't. Personally I'd never call the Taliban rebel fighters, they're the scum of the earth trying to implement a fascist regime which has no regard for many human rights and civil liberties we consider basic.

So when a first world country invades somewhere you think that they have any notion for human right and civil liberties? Try telling that to the million odd people that britin and america have killed abroad in the last 5 years.

I always have to laugh. The likes of michael collins and others that faught for our inpendence must have been considered terrorists at the time by the united kindom. Now that we have our independence we consider them 'rebal fighters' or 'revolutionary figures' or whatever. History is always written by the victors.

So basicly the only difference between a rebel fighter and a terrorist is whos side you are on? Is that basicly what you are saying?

Latchy

NegativeCreep wrote: »

And if that soldier gets his legs blown off by an IED he'll be rushed home and branded a "hero" and probably get an interview with Ellen.
I hate soldiers.

The problem there is that one photo can and will undo the good humanitarian work that is also carried by many in the military.

NegativeCreep

Latchy wrote: »

The problem there is that one photo can and will undo the good humanitarian work that is also carried by many in the military.

That last line was in jest. I don't hate every soldier :L I'm sure a lot of them go to the army for the right reasons but then there are the ones like the man in this picture who shouldn't even be let outside his home, nevermind his country.

Latchy

NegativeCreep wrote: »

That last line was in jest. I don't hate every soldier :L I'm sure a lot of them go to the army for the right reasons but then there are the ones like the man in this picture who shouldn't even be let outside his home, nevermind his country.

I totally agree .

Boombastic

Makes me wonder why we idolise and emulate America so much?

Piste

Their range of confectionery is simply out of this world.

Boombastic

Piste wrote: »

Their range of confectionery is simply out of this world.

:eek: Was the soldier robbing sweets off the child?:D

bluecode

Ah another America bashing thread thinly disguised as disguised as fair comment. Propaganda is alive and well.

Would it ever occur to you that the soldier's behaviour would also disgust most other Americans whether in the military or not because it doesn't reflect their moral standards?

No of course not because naturally that doesn't suit your agenda?

rKossi

It is war what do you guys expect...
I am sure way worse happened in WW2 or any other war.

smash

Why are people saying child or boy? He doesn't look that young to me.

rKossi

also people who are complaing should take a look at what they do to dead us soldiers
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cc5_1178870947
Look at 1:49 makes me sick

NegativeCreep

rKossi wrote: »

also people who are complaing should take a look at what they do to dead us soldiers
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cc5_1178870947
Look at 1:49 makes me sick

Terrible as that is and all. I still think it's worse for an American to do this kind of thing on Middle eastern soil than it is for the people of the middle east to do it. These kids are obviously sick and tired of the Americans invading THEIR country. In my opinion American soldiers have no right to be there.

Madam_X

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

and what happened before that picture?

was that kid trying to attack the soldiers?
was his father trying to attack the soldiers?

Except we all know that was unlikely.

or did the us military just send some troops on foot to somebodys farm to **** **** up and take photographs?

Yeah tbh. Happened in Vietnam, don't see why it wouldn't happen again.

I'm not at all anti American btw - some are a bit too quick to assume that about those who find the picture objectionable. They're the ones bringing nationality into it though.

Scioch

Whoever does is shouldnt be doing it, just because one did it first doesnt give someone else the right to do it or makes either ones actions acceptable.

I think the harsh reality though is that armed forces anywhere has a lot of scum in it. If it was the Irish army at war I wouldnt be confident our boys would come out looking like saints. In a war type situation the scum always floats to the surface.

yermanoffthetv

The solders have probably seen some horriffic things and become so desensatized to death they see these "trophy shots" as a way of desplaying bravado. On the other hand though I dont know what people expect of these soldiers, to be a moral role model and efficient killers simultaniously. You can only condition a person to be one of those things as they are mutually exclusive.

Latchy

There is good reason to suggest that video footage of the Iraqis kicking around the remains of a body does not belong to a US soldier because that uniform camouflage for one wasn't worn by the Americans but either way, it's nothing new in any warfare ...the footage of the US soldiers body been dragged through the streets of Mogadishu springs to mind .

I think the hate for America grows all the time.
This doesn't help.