Broner vs. Escobedo

Kev M

Any thoughts/predictions on this? I think it'll be Broner's toughest test to date but even still he should come through comfortably. Broner's too slick and crafty for him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TId3c76yLhc

edit; it's on boxnation.

gene_tunney

Broner won't be able to bully Escobedo like he bullied his previous midget opponents. That said, he failed to make weight, weighing in at 133.5lbs, so maybe he'll look to bully him with size. I think they're arranging something whereby Broner has to pay Escobedo $10,000 for every pound overweight he comes in. Disgraceful really for a 22 year old to fail to make weight. If I was Escobedo i would refuse to fight but presumably he needs the money.

Broner will be in trouble when he meets someone his one size with a bit of speed and power. People tout him as the next Mayweather, but at age 21 Floyd was already in the top 10 P4P. 22 y/o Broner is nowhere near that level. Broner falls short of FMJ in just about every category conceivable, except maybe punching power, and we're not sure of his chin yet. Obviously its a high standard to compare against but it puts things into perspective.

That said, at age 22 there's so many ways he can develop. I just thing his ring IQ will be the main thing to hold him back. Against Ponce de Leon for example, he had a huge size advantage and still sat back and tried to counter an awkward southpaw. Should have jabbed and pushed him onto the back foot, as he did with the tiny Eloy Perez.

gene_tunney

Latest reports say fight is off, Broner having weighed in at 143 this morning instead of the contracted 140.

http://www.boxingscene.com/adrien-broner-comes-143-escobedo-fight-off--55229

What an idiot. He was tweeting pics of the garbage food he has been eating recently as well, clearly trying to copy Mayweather. I will know have to put him on my list of boxers I want to see get KTFO

tcite

Absolute lunacy from Broner, his estimation to most people was low enough before this. Can't imagine HBO are too happy with him.

Escobedo should sue him for loss of earnings.

gene_tunney

It's back on girls.

As far as I'm aware Escobedo is gettung at least twice his original purse.

gene_tunney

Broner 147 in the ring, Escobedo 142.

Broner flapped about as per usual, on the back foot against a less powerful and smaller opponent, countering. Showed good power when he let go, soaking up body shots and returning with a counter right uppercut which was his most effective punch. Stopped arsing around and began to press Escobedo, stopping him quite quickly in the 5th.

In summary: Broner's athleticism is undeniable but he has yet to fight anybody decent.

MD1990

gene_tunney

Biggest clown I've seen in quite some time.

Henno30

Broner needs to stop trying so hard to be Floyd Mayweather. One of these days he's going to have to face an elite opponent and they'll show him just how far from Mayweather he is. He's definitely talented though, and it will be interesting to see how he responds when he meets someone who takes him out of his comfort zone.

The weight thing makes him look pretty bad, especially as it appears that he just took advantage of Escobedo's desperate need for cash to support his six month old kid.

walshb

Jeez the similarity with Broner and Floyd is uncanny. It is like watching Mayweather. Even how Broner walks down his foe. Carbon copy. He is no doubt a real talent. That fight on Saturday was a big mismatch. Broner was so much stronger. Escobedo had nothing to deter Broner with.

Henno: Why should Broner stop so hard trying to be Floyd? If it's working and successful, why stop? And, Floyd has become one of the best fighter's of the past 25 years with that style.

I reckon Broner may jump straight to 140 lbs. I would say 135 lbs will be a struggle for him very soon.

el flaco

He gets himself side-on with the high left shoulder like Mayweather but he needs to make sure he copies to upper body roll and the foot movement if he wants to mimic him successfully. He may have felt the need to do this against Escobedo was negligible and so decided to stand in front of him as he could soak up his punches quite easily, so I'll be interested to see if he continues to take that approach against better opponents or whether he is capable of being more elusive.

Kev M

Broner is a character, and boxing needs characters. I thought he was brilliant vs escobedo. Total dominance and chose when to step it up and end the fight. Mayweather didnt invent the shell defence, loads of guys have been successful with it, broner and mayweather are just the 2 guys that are unbelievably good at it right now. There were a few other things that broner was doing mayweather-esque like walking down escobedo as said above and the jabs to the body i thought stood out. In some of broners other fights he really takes people apart with that jab to the body, its a very effective shot for him, just like floyd.

gene_tunney

130 amd 135 are incredibly weak divisions. I'd like to see him against Gamboa. If not, we'll have to wait for him to get to 140 to be tested.

People talk like he's the next FMJ. Not a patch on him.

walshb

gene_tunney wrote: »

130 amd 135 are incredibly weak divisions. I'd like to see him against Gamboa. If not, we'll have to wait for him to get to 140 to be tested.

People talk like he's the next FMJ. Not a patch on him.

But his career is still very young. The guy is 23. One cannot deny that he has serious talent.

And, compare him to Floyd: Speed as good, power as good, feet and overall balance as good. His defence is still developing. Fitness and tactics and punch variation are every bit as good as when Floyd was 23.

So, to say he's not a patch on Floyd is odd. How do you come to this? At 23 Floyd was a SFW champ too. I don't think Floyd's victims would have beaten Broner.

gene_tunney

walshb wrote: »

But his career is still very young. The guy is 23. One cannot deny that he has serious talent.

And, compare him to Floyd: Speed as good, power as good, feet and overall balance as good. His defence is still developing. Fitness and tactics and punch variation are every bit as good as when Floyd was 23.

So, to say he's not a patch on Floyd is odd. How do you come to this? At 23 Floyd was a SFW champ too. I don't think Floyd's victims would have beaten Broner.

You've watched one Broner fight and are now comparing him to FMJ.

Speed and power are same league as Floyd. In fact I think he's more powerful, but this may be as he is quite muscular; it remains to be seen how well his power will carry. But speed without accuracy or timing is absolutely useless (*cough*Khan*cough*). Broner has nowhere near the accuracy or timing of a young FMJ.

A lot of my issues with Broner stem from the fact that he is trying to copy Mayweather 100%. But the boy hasn't done his homework because he fights like the current FMJ. 22 year old Floyd used his speed and footwork to dance around opponents, leaping in with shots. The current Mayweather adopts a high guard and tends to walk his opponents down when he sees the chance. Broner, right now, has the power to walk his opponents down straight away, but because of his remedial ring IQ he tries to counter and wastes his time fighting completely the wrong fight - just to emulate Mayweather.

Footwork? He hasn't needed it much yet. One of these days he'll be up against a bigger puncher than himself and he'll have to get on his bike, then we'll see. It hasn't impressed me thus far, not enough to merit comparison with Mayweather anyway.

He has nowhere near Mayweather's punch variety. He copies his jab to the body but doesn't use a leaping left hook or pull counter. Not sure why, he's surely athletic enough. His counter left hook is nice though I must admit. Floyd's was better though, because he moved off with the motion of the punch and was outta there by the time it landed (poor Ricky Hatton).

His defence isn't as good. He doesn't shoulder roll really tbh, he just uses a high guard sometimes and other times adopts the shell but never rolls. Have you seen him on the ropes? Instead of rolling flawlessly like Floyd he awkwardly extends his arms and tries to push off. He doesn't bend from the waist at all like Floyd, in fact he never really ducks.

But seriously he needs to stop copying Floyd. Floyd's style works because it suits him but every boxer has a different set of attributes. Do what works for you, not what works for your idol. Out of all these things I think his ring IQ (or lack thereof) will hold him back most.

Long post. Amazing how much you can say about two guys punching each other in a squared circle.

gene_tunney

I forgot to add that I think his work-rate is terrible. You can get away with that if you're landing quality shots but he doesn't have the quality to back it up. Also I think Quintero beat him in '09 and was robbed.

walshb

gene_tunney wrote: »

You've watched one Broner fight and are now comparing him to FMJ.

How could you possibly know this?

gene_tunney

walshb wrote: »

How could you possibly know this?

Psychic powers