Golf Rules Quiz

abouttobebanned

Should be a bit of fun for you guys.

http://www.theopen.com/rules/quiz.aspx

slave1

13/18
Got 3 wrong because although I know there was a penalty I wasn't sure of the number of penalty strokes.
Got 2 plain and simply wrong.

Well worth the few minutes!

Pacly

Wouldn't like to be playing with those 2 too often!

staker

14/18:(

I thought she could've moved the gate anywhere! "Reload" is not to be used when playing a provisional- imagine being involved in a game where that one was pulled...

FANTAPANTS

13/18 not bad for a novice if i dont mind saying myself. CHUFFED :D:D:D

MP62

staker wrote: »

14/18:(

I thought she could've moved the gate anywhere! "Reload" is not to be used when playing a provisional- imagine being involved in a game where that one was pulled...

I couldn't imagine being involved in a game where you weren't "pulled" as you say. Also I'd say this rule and the nearest point of relief are the two most commonly abused rules by newcomers to the game. i.e they are not implemented correctly.

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Should be a bit of fun for you guys.

http://www.theopen.com/rules/quiz.aspx

11/18 Although I know I got two more right but accidently clicked the incorrect answer, I'd put money on the vast majority of people not getting the gate question correct.

getoffthepot

15/18
Got Q3,13 &16 wrong.

mike12

15 from 18 got the no. of penalty strokes wrong on a couple.
Mike

staker

MP62 wrote: »

I couldn't imagine being involved in a game where you weren't "pulled" as you say. Also I'd say this rule and the nearest point of relief are the two most commonly abused rules by newcomers to the game. i.e they are not implemented correctly.

It's a new one on me is all I'm saying.I play by the rules as far as I know the rules and carry the R&A Rulebook for reference in the bag when in doubt, every round is new and there's always something new to be learned.

TheDoc

staker wrote: »

It's a new one on me is all I'm saying.I play by the rules as far as I know the rules and carry the R&A Rulebook for reference in the bag when in doubt, every round is new and there's always something new to be learned.

I'd normally say " Just gonna hit a provisional lads" and then name the brand of the ball and markings.

Through no purposeful intention, or sparing a thought, I might say, "That one looks like it could be gone lads, I'm just gonna hit another" and then name the brand of the ball etc.

If someone pulled me up in matchplay I'd tell them to stuff it up their arse and walk off, that is the lowest of the low in my opinion.

16/18

Got the provisional ball thing wrong, figured he could play his first if it was found, although stated my thoughts above.
Also the wiping of sand on the green, thats weird.

There is plenty of occasions where a greenside bunker causes large blobs of sand to reside on the green. Sand that should not be there, like removing lumps of grass or dirt from your line, I'd have no second thoughts of wiping away clumps of sand that will impede my balls roll. (unless said greens were identified as sanded through conditioning)

And I wouldnt think anything of someone else doing it either. Interesting ruling, but can safely say I'll never pull anyone up over it, stupid rule.

GreeBo

TheDoc wrote: »

I'd normally say " Just gonna hit a provisional lads" and then name the brand of the ball and markings.

Through no purposeful intention, or sparing a thought, I might say, "That one looks like it could be gone lads, I'm just gonna hit another" and then name the brand of the ball etc.

If someone pulled me up in matchplay I'd tell them to stuff it up their arse and walk off, that is the lowest of the low in my opinion.

16/18

Got the provisional ball thing wrong, figured he could play his first if it was found, although stated my thoughts above.
Also the wiping of sand on the green, thats weird.

There is plenty of occasions where a greenside bunker causes large blobs of sand to reside on the green. Sand that should not be there, like removing lumps of grass or dirt from your line, I'd have no second thoughts of wiping away clumps of sand that will impede my balls roll. (unless said greens were identified as sanded through conditioning)

And I wouldnt think anything of someone else doing it either. Interesting ruling, but can safely say I'll never pull anyone up over it, stupid rule.

What if in a match your opponent does this and then goes on to compare the position of his first ball (in the trees, totally blocked) to his provisional which is sitting 2 inches from the cup? Would you be ok with the fact that he has two balls in play and let him choose which one he prefers to hit?


Have to admit that I do find it weird that sand magically changes its status based on whether or not I am on the green.:o

charlieIRL

TheDoc wrote: »

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There is plenty of occasions where a greenside bunker causes large blobs of sand to reside on the green. Sand that should not be there, like removing lumps of grass or dirt from your line, I'd have no second thoughts of wiping away clumps of sand that will impede my balls roll. (unless said greens were identified as sanded through conditioning)

And I wouldnt think anything of someone else doing it either. Interesting ruling, but can safely say I'll never pull anyone up over it, stupid rule.

Wasn't this the rule that got Rory McIlroy a 2 shot penalty recently?

TheDoc

GreeBo wrote: »

What if in a match your opponent does this and then goes on to compare the position of his first ball (in the trees, totally blocked) to his provisional which is sitting 2 inches from the cup? Would you be ok with the fact that he has two balls in play and let him choose which one he prefers to hit?


Have to admit that I do find it weird that sand magically changes its status based on whether or not I am on the green.:o

That's totally different. Is the rule not focusing the fact that the ball was not clearly named " provisional". Of course I'd make him play his first ball, as I would always play my first ball if found, theres no question about that.

I thought it was highlighting that if not properly identified as "provisional" its now your acting ball in play, might have mis interpreted the question and the posts above.

If someone pulled me up for not announcing specifically " provisional " and immediately informed me I have to play the second ball as I walk off the tee, that's where I'd be calling it a day and avoiding them in the future.

Surely there needs to be a big of copon and etiquette in realising when someone uses the age old

"reloading lads"
"hitting a provo"
"I'm just gonna hit again lads incase that one cant be found" etc etc

That should be more then enough, informing your playing partners that there is risk the ball will not be found, and that you are hitting a second one in the event it is lost.

Would allow anyone to just play the second ball without looking for the first, or simply because they dont like the lie, thats totally different

GreeBo

TheDoc wrote: »

That's totally different. Is the rule not focusing the fact that the ball was not clearly named " provisional". Of course I'd make him play his first ball, as I would always play my first ball if found, theres no question about that.

I thought it was highlighting that if not properly identified as "provisional" its now your acting ball in play, might have mis interpreted the question and the posts above.

If someone pulled me up for not announcing specifically " provisional " and immediately informed me I have to play the second ball as I walk off the tee, that's where I'd be calling it a day and avoiding them in the future.

Surely there needs to be a big of copon and etiquette in realising when someone uses the age old

"reloading lads"
"hitting a provo"
"I'm just gonna hit again lads incase that one cant be found" etc etc

That should be more then enough, informing your playing partners that there is risk the ball will not be found, and that you are hitting a second one in the event it is lost.

Would allow anyone to just play the second ball without looking for the first, or simply because they dont like the lie, thats totally different

The thing is its not totally different.
You can never have 2 balls in play in golf.
In the example I gave the player must play the second ball, the 1st ball is no longer an option as they didnt play a provisional. This is exactly why the rule exists, to remove the ambiguity because sometimes it will be better to play the first and sometimes the second.
Depending on who you are with saying "provo" etc is fine, as long as you are clearly indicating that its a provisional. Thats very different than saying "i'll hit another" which means nothing.

BigChap1759

GreeBo wrote: »

The thing is its not totally different.
You can never have 2 balls in play in golf.
In the example I gave the player must play the second ball, the 1st ball is no longer an option as they didnt play a provisional. This is exactly why the rule exists, to remove the ambiguity because sometimes it will be better to play the first and sometimes the second.
Depending on who you are with saying "provo" etc is fine, as long as you are clearly indicating that its a provisional. Thats very different than saying "i'll hit another" which means nothing.

+1

You need to be explicitly clear that you are hitting a provisional - I will usually ask an opponent to clarify if in doubt

TheDoc

Well I think context has to be taken into consideration. If my opponent has hit a ball into an area where there is a likelyhood of that ball being lost, and he says " i'll hit another" then I'm assuming its because there is a high risk that ball might be lost.

If we then find first ball, that ball is played.

If a lad hits a ball lightly into the rough and then says "I'll hit another" as if for practice or something, or hits another and ignores his first ball when its visible or I've found, then clearly there is a problem and I need to pull him up to play the first ball. And I'm sure there is an assigned penalty for essentially taking a practice shot.

But the above I've never come accross in competition play, bar the odd time when someone wants a pop of a club or whatever and they are well out of the tournament, no problem,

But I would definitly consider that two totally different secnarios.

Scenario is perfectly normal and acceptable and I'm sure everyone comes across every weekend, that if a ball has a high risk of being lost due to whatever reason, a second is hit incase. If first ball found, its played

As opposed to someone taking a shot just for the sake of hitting a second ball. And then attempting to play that second ball, when their first is very clearly in play, is just a total no no, and I've never come accross it, or head of anyone doing it in comp play.

I'm not sure where the diferences between our views on this are lying to be honest?

I think your just highlighting the rule is there to avoid scenario 2, but when has that ever happened, I know I've never experienced nor heard it.

Anatom

Only 13 out of 18 - jaysis, that was a fluke really. Looking at the correct responses, I really think I need to gen up on the rules!!!

GreeBo

TheDoc wrote: »

Well I think context has to be taken into consideration. If my opponent has hit a ball into an area where there is a likelyhood of that ball being lost, and he says " i'll hit another" then I'm assuming its because there is a high risk that ball might be lost.

If we then find first ball, that ball is played.

If a lad hits a ball lightly into the rough and then says "I'll hit another" as if for practice or something, or hits another and ignores his first ball when its visible or I've found, then clearly there is a problem and I need to pull him up to play the first ball. And I'm sure there is an assigned penalty for essentially taking a practice shot.

But the above I've never come accross in competition play, bar the odd time when someone wants a pop of a club or whatever and they are well out of the tournament, no problem,

But I would definitly consider that two totally different secnarios.

Scenario is perfectly normal and acceptable and I'm sure everyone comes across every weekend, that if a ball has a high risk of being lost due to whatever reason, a second is hit incase. If first ball found, its played

As opposed to someone taking a shot just for the sake of hitting a second ball. And then attempting to play that second ball, when their first is very clearly in play, is just a total no no, and I've never come accross it, or head of anyone doing it in comp play.

I'm not sure where the diferences between our views on this are lying to be honest?

I think your just highlighting the rule is there to avoid scenario 2, but when has that ever happened, I know I've never experienced nor heard it.

In the bold part above you have no right to get him to play his first ball.
What would you do if he turns around and says "I didnt declare it a provisional, ball 2 is my ball in play"?

Just because the first ball might be lost doesnt make the second one a provisional.
How would you distinguish to someone that you didnt want to play a provisional (for example because you knew your first was in a horrible place)?

MP62

staker wrote: »

It's a new one on me is all I'm saying.I play by the rules as far as I know the rules and carry the R&A Rulebook for reference in the bag when in doubt, every round is new and there's always something new to be learned.

Ok fair enough, you made it sound like there should be a referee to pull you up, but you do realise you are your own referee?.
Also if someone was to point out a particular rule to you that you were previously unaware of, then you should be grateful that they took the time to give you the "heads up".

staker

MP62 wrote: »

Ok fair enough, you made it sound like there should be a referee to pull you up, but you do realise you are your own referee?.
Also if someone was to point out a particular rule to you that you were previously unaware of, then you should be grateful that they took the time to give you the "heads up".

Why would I need a referee when I have the rule book in my bag?
Not every bit of advice you get on the golf course is bang on right-have a look at the mythical rules- but there are some I would trust more than others.I wouldn't exactly be grateful til it's verified.

I see where you're coming from - I just want to make it clear that I don't go out of my way to bend rules and if I do break them, it's unknowingly and will gladly take my penalty. It's all a matter of personal integrity at the end of the day and I'd sooner win the right way as opposed to at any cost.

wcarey1975

While not great at least I know the rules better than I thought.

14/18 Q3,5,12 and 14 wrong.

W

onlyfinewine

Got Question 3 about identifying the ball in the rough wrong because I would always mark the ball before lifting it to identify it, and of course advising my fellow competitor or opponent beforehand.
Missed the fact that it was not specifically mentioned in the question and assumed incorrectly that it was marked before lifting.

Got the Marram grass in the bunker wrong because I had a senior moment and forgot the definition of bunker!

In relation to the provisional ball being nominated correctly, I believe this was done to clarify exactly what was required in equity from the player. The use of the word provisional is specifically stated and "provo" would be good enough for me and most people in Ireland as a shortened form of the word provisional.

The rule 27/2a is quite clear and says the player MUST inform that it is a provisional ball. Failure to do so means that any ball played becomes the ball in play with a stroke and distance penalty under rule 27/1.

If I am playing and another player says something like I will have to re-load I will say something like "So you are playing a provisional" and mention quietly as we walk down the fairway that there is a requirement for the word provisional to be used prior to the shot being played. I have never had the problem re-occur once the explanation was voiced.

GreeBo

onlyfinewine wrote: »

Got Question 3 about identifying the ball in the rough wrong because I would always mark the ball before lifting it to identify it, and of course advising my fellow competitor or opponent beforehand.
Missed the fact that it was not specifically mentioned in the question and assumed incorrectly that it was marked before lifting.

Got the Marram grass in the bunker wrong because I had a senior moment and forgot the definition of bunker!

In relation to the provisional ball being nominated correctly, I believe this was done to clarify exactly what was required in equity from the player. The use of the word provisional is specifically stated and "provo" would be good enough for me and most people in Ireland as a shortened form of the word provisional.

The rule 27/2a is quite clear and says the player MUST inform that it is a provisional ball. Failure to do so means that any ball played becomes the ball in play with a stroke and distance penalty under rule 27/1.

If I am playing and another player says something like I will have to re-load I will say something like "So you are playing a provisional" and mention quietly as we walk down the fairway that there is a requirement for the word provisional to be used prior to the shot being played. I have never had the problem re-occur once the explanation was voiced.

The actual rule is

The player's statement must specifically mention the words “provisional ball” or must make it clear that he is proceeding under Rule 27-2a

So, "Provo", "Gerry Adams" etc are perfectly acceptable, at least in this country.
tbh if someone is unclear as to the status of the shot you are about to play then they should clarify it before you play the shot.

onlyfinewine

Just to clarify, you are incorrect when you quote the rule 27/2, there is no such wording in the rule book and you are giving your interpretation rather than quoting the rule. The actual rule 27/2 states, and I quote from the rule book,

a. Procedure
If a ball may be lost outside a water hazard or may be out of bounds, to save time the player may play another ball provisionally in accordance with rule 27-1. The player must inform his opponent in match play or his marker or a fellow-competitor in stroke play that he intends to play a provisional ball, and he must play it before he or his partner goes forward to search for the original ball.

Secondly, there is no requirement for a fellow competitor to clarify the status of the shot you are about to play and I mentioned it only to show how I deal with the situation. It is up to the competitor to ensure that they know the rules and comply with the requirements involved.

GreeBo wrote: »

The actual rule is
The actual rule is
Quote:
The player's statement must specifically mention the words “provisional ball” or must make it clear that he is proceeding under Rule 27-2a
So, "Provo", "Gerry Adams" etc are perfectly acceptable, at least in this country.
tbh if someone is unclear as to the status of the shot you are about to play then they should clarify it before you play the shot.

GreeBo

onlyfinewine wrote: »

Just to clarify, you are incorrect when you quote the rule 27/2, there is no such wording in the rule book and you are giving your interpretation rather than quoting the rule. The actual rule 27/2 states, and I quote from the rule book,

a. Procedure
If a ball may be lost outside a water hazard or may be out of bounds, to save time the player may play another ball provisionally in accordance with rule 27-1. The player must inform his opponent in match play or his marker or a fellow-competitor in stroke play that he intends to play a provisional ball, and he must play it before he or his partner goes forward to search for the original ball.

Secondly, there is no requirement for a fellow competitor to clarify the status of the shot you are about to play and I mentioned it only to show how I deal with the situation. It is up to the competitor to ensure that they know the rules and comply with the requirements involved.

My quote is taken directly from Decision 27-2a/1, it is not my interpretation.

I also did not state it was a requirement, I said that I believe they should.
i.e. if I am unclear if you are hitting a provisional or not I will ask you before you hit so that I know what the situation is. (Say for example I dont know who Gerry Adams is)
For example, I dont think it would be "in equity" in a three ball for me to demand you play your second ball just because I dont know what a "Gerry Adams" means when the 1st and 3rd partners do.

onlyfinewine

So, in fact, you did not quote the relevant rule, as you said you were doing, instead you quoted a decision on the rules.

The rule in question was listed correctly by me and also includes a use of the word "Provo" which is common useage, which you clearly missed.

The whole point of declaring a provisional ball is to give you the option of not going back to the tee.

Your use of semantics and unlikely scenarios is not helpful. A Provisional ball has to be identified as such prior to being put into play.

End of.

GreeBo

onlyfinewine wrote: »

So, in fact, you did not quote the relevant rule, as you said you were doing, instead you quoted a decision on the rules.

The rule in question was listed correctly by me and also includes a use of the word "Provo" which is common useage, which you clearly missed.

The whole point of declaring a provisional ball is to give you the option of not going back to the tee.

Your use of semantics and unlikely scenarios is not helpful. A Provisional ball has to be identified as such prior to being put into play.

End of.

Decisions on the rules are part of the rules.

Decisions on the Rules of Golf is the official interpretation of the Rules of Golf from The R&A

Are you suggesting that because I quoted the decision and not the rules it is somehow invalid?

You stated

there is a requirement for the word provisional to be used prior to the shot being played.

This is incorrect. A player must make it clear under which rule they are proceeding, you do not have to use the word "provisional".
End of.:rolleyes:

Declaring a provisional does not "give you the option of not going back to the tee"!
Either the first ball is lost and you play the provisional, or it isnt lost rendering the provisional irrelevant. At no time do you get to choose to play your provisional or not!
Can you clarify exactly what you mean by this please?

onlyfinewine

As you obviously can't read, misquote and raise red herrings every time you post, I am finished, I accept everything you say and am sorry to have inconvenienced you.


regards,

Definite End Of, Finito, thanks for the memories.

GreeBo

onlyfinewine wrote: »

As you obviously can't read, misquote and raise red herrings every time you post, I am finished, I accept everything you say and am sorry to have inconvenienced you.


regards,

Definite End Of, Finito, thanks for the memories.

A simple "Sorry, I was wrong" would have done.
Now we have to pick all these toys up and put them back in the pram.

IITYWYBMAD

Wow...Just Wow at this thread at this stage.

onlyfinewine

GreeBo wrote: »

A simple "Sorry, I was wrong" would have done.
Now we have to pick all these toys up and put them back in the pram.

Imagine, over 6000 posts and no friends?? I wonder why!