Part Time Dole

A_Sober_Paddy

Hey all,

I'm just wondering how does part time dole work?

I'm currently on JSB, and may have a job in the offing so would like to know what are the restrictions and rules for part time dole...as this job will in most cases be only 12 hours a week.

Cheers

the_barfly1

Just call into your local SW office and ask to be put on casual Jobseekers. You'll be given slips to fill in every week marking which days you worked and which you didnt

A_Sober_Paddy

the_barfly1 wrote: »

Just call into your local SW office and ask to be put on casual Jobseekers. You'll be given slips to fill in every week marking which days you worked and which you didnt

Is it actually that simply?

the_barfly1

yep. you get sent out your slips and cheques in the post.

blowtorch

the_barfly1 wrote: »

Just call into your local SW office and ask to be put on casual Jobseekers. You'll be given slips to fill in every week marking which days you worked and which you didnt

May be worth looking into doing the 12 hours over the lowest number of days possible. Double -check with the SW office, as if you say, work 3 days at 4 hours, it might be counted as being unavailable for work for 3 days, but if you work 2 days at 6 hours each, then you'd be 'unavailable' for only 2 days. Or perhaps working two 8 hour days one week, and one 8 hour day the next (still averages 12 hours per week, but gives you an extra day jobseekers)

Double-check with SW though.

A_Sober_Paddy

blowtorch wrote: »

May be worth looking into doing the 12 hours over the lowest number of days possible. Double -check with the SW office, as if you say, work 3 days at 4 hours, it might be counted as being unavailable for work for 3 days, but if you work 2 days at 6 hours each, then you'd be 'unavailable' for only 2 days. Or perhaps working two 8 hour days one week, and one 8 hour day the next (still averages 12 hours per week, but gives you an extra day jobseekers)

Double-check with SW though.

What if I were to work more than 12 hours, would I not be eligible for part time dole?

My understanding of part time dole was, I could work up to 3 days a week and claim for 2 days...

Also what happens if I were to work 4 days one week and then 3 the next week, would I just not get any dole for the week I worked 4 days, and get the money for the week I worked 3 days? Suppose my question is, If I work more than the 3 days, do I come off the dole, and then have to reapply to back onto it?

Cheers again for your help and advice

blowtorch

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

What if I were to work more than 12 hours, would I not be eligible for part time dole?

My understanding of part time dole was, I could work up to 3 days a week and claim for 2 days...

Also what happens if I were to work 4 days one week and then 3 the next week, would I just not get any dole for the week I worked 4 days, and get the money for the week I worked 3 days? Suppose my question is, If I work more than the 3 days, do I come off the dole, and then have to reapply to back onto it?

Cheers again for your help and advice

As long as you're on 'Casual Dockets' i.e. not employed every day, you wouldn't come off the dole. Check with SW, but if you ended up getting 4 days one week, and 3 days the next week, I think you're correct about not getting paid from SW for the 4 day week (you still have to fill out to docket), and do get paid for 2 days for the 3 day week.

The thing about completing the dockets, even when you might not be entitled to any dole for that week, is that you still get the 'credits' (I think that's the word) - These record a continuance of 'contributions' towards future social welfare payments. i.e. there's no 'break' in contributions from SW point of view.

You might also consider some schemes that SW have if you wanted to start your own business - I think if you are on Jobseekers Allowance, they will pay 70% of your current weekly payment for 2 years while you get your business going. (There is help there too with various grants from Enterprise Boards) You'd have to have a business plan, and get approval from SW/Enterprise boards that it's a feasable plan). I just say this, as you seem to want to work.
Downside of that is that you're self-employed then, and after 2 years I'm not sure what SW payments you would be entitled to (if any )if the business failed)

Shane St.

yea im on it at the moment... its handy enough

A_Sober_Paddy

blowtorch wrote: »

As long as you're on 'Casual Dockets' i.e. not employed every day, you wouldn't come off the dole. Check with SW, but if you ended up getting 4 days consistantly, and 3 days the next week, I think you're correct about not getting paid from SW for the 4 day week (you still have to fill out to docket), and do get for the 3 day week.

The thing about completing the dockets, even when you might not be entitled to any dole for that week, is that you still get the 'credits' (I think that's the word) - These record a continuance of 'contributions' towards future social welfare payments. i.e. there's no 'break' in contributions from SW point of view.

You might also consider some schemes that SW have if you wanted to start your own business - I think if you are on Jobseekers Allowance, they will pay 70% of your current weekly payment for 2 years while you get your business going. (There is help there too with various grants from Enterprise Boards) You'd have to have a business plan, and get approval from SW/Enterprise boards that it's a feasable plan). I just say this, as you seem to want to work.
Downside of that is that you're self-employed then, and after 2 years I'm not sure what SW payments you would be entitled to (if any )if the business failed)

Cheers mate...

With regards to starting a business, I've no idea's for a business that would be viable...I've tried to come up with idea's but no luck yet...Also have sweet F all start up funds

A_Sober_Paddy

Hey again,

How does one calculate how much dole I'd get if working 3 days a week.

I'm currently getting €144 a week...

mp22

€144 divide by 5 =€28.80 so work 3 days get JSB for 2 days amount due = €57.60

eddiehen

mp22 wrote: »

€144 divide by 5 =€28.80 so work 3 days get JSB for 2 days amount due = €57.60

Depending on means too. If you're on €144 I presume you are on jobseekers allowance, so your earnings will affect what is deducted per day. If you're on minimum wage you won't be affected as much per day you work.

MariMel

mp22 wrote: »

€144 divide by 5 =€28.80 so work 3 days get JSB for 2 days amount due = €57.60

I thought it was now changed to a 6 day week and as such you would divide by 6....or was i misinformed the last time I was in?

eddiehen

MariMel wrote: »

mp22 wrote: »

€144 divide by 5 =€28.80 so work 3 days get JSB for 2 days amount due = €57.60

I thought it was now changed to a 6 day week and as such you would divide by 6....or was i misinformed the last time I was in?

No, jobseekers benefit went from a 6-day week to a 5-day week. Jobseekers allowance is over 6 days for now.

A_Sober_Paddy

Just one last thing, as I've been offered a job...

Which Hatch should i go to, in order to get myself onto casual dockets?

The hatch I sign on every month or a different hatch?

Cheers for all the feedback and advice.

P.S In relation to something mentioned earlier, my payments are for 6 days not 5 according to the receipts I get when I collect my money every week

djh2009

blowtorch wrote: »

As long as you're on 'Casual Dockets' i.e. not employed every day, you wouldn't come off the dole. Check with SW, but if you ended up getting 4 days one week, and 3 days the next week, I think you're correct about not getting paid from SW for the 4 day week (you still have to fill out to docket), and do get paid for 2 days for the 3 day week.

The thing about completing the dockets, even when you might not be entitled to any dole for that week, is that you still get the 'credits' (I think that's the word) - These record a continuance of 'contributions' towards future social welfare payments. i.e. there's no 'break' in contributions from SW point of view.

You might also consider some schemes that SW have if you wanted to start your own business - I think if you are on Jobseekers Allowance, they will pay 70% of your current weekly payment for 2 years while you get your business going. (There is help there too with various grants from Enterprise Boards) You'd have to have a business plan, and get approval from SW/Enterprise boards that it's a feasable plan). I just say this, as you seem to want to work.
Downside of that is that you're self-employed then, and after 2 years I'm not sure what SW payments you would be entitled to (if any )if the business failed)

100% for first year, and 75% for year two. Called the Back to work enterprise allowance.

A_Sober_Paddy

Hey all

So I received a letter today from the Department of Social protection...

I would love if someone could do the maths and explain what it exactly means.

So in the letter today

Weekly Means is €158.40

As your total weekly means are greater than the weekly rate of pay due for this scheme, that is €144, you do not qualify for jobseekers payment.

Does this mean that I'm not getting anything?

Even though the first sheet says my cheque should be received soon...

I'm all confused right now...

Anyone who can shed light on this I'd be forever grateful.

Cheers in advance

A_Sober_Paddy

Maggie 2

Just go to information desk. Good Luck with job. Hopefully it'll lead to something fulltime.

vandriver

Are you still on JSB or have you moved to JSA?

A_Sober_Paddy

vandriver wrote: »

Are you still on JSB or have you moved to JSA?

I've received nothing from the dole office since starting my job 8 weeks ago...

I have been filling in slips for those 8 weeks, but yet to receive any payments

vandriver

From that letter,it sounds like you have been assessed for JSA and the means test has found that you earn too much to qualify for JSA.
The means test is sort of complicated,but the gist of it is your wages less PRSI.Then take away 20 per day you are working,to a max of 60.Multiply the result by .6 and this is your means.If this is higher than what you would get on JSA if you were not working,then you get nothing.

A_Sober_Paddy

vandriver wrote: »

From that letter,it sounds like you have been assessed for JSA and the means test has found that you earn too much to qualify for JSA.
The means test is sort of complicated,but the gist of it is your wages less PRSI.Then take away 20 per day you are working,to a max of 60.Multiply the result by .6 and this is your means.If this is higher than what you would get on JSA if you were not working,then you get nothing.

So I won't get any money off them despite only working 12.5 hours at minimum wage?(Contracted to work)

So I've come off the dole to be on less money?

Also there was a letter included in the communication which reads as follows:

Dear Customer,

Your Jobseekers Benefit/Allowance has been decided.

Your payment will issue by cheque and you should receieve your first cheque shortly.

Please ensure that your signing dockets are returned to this office before 12 noon every Wednesday.

If you have any queries regarding your claim please contact Hatch 15

Yours faithfully,

Talk about confusing...Also is it just me or is there a few missing words in the letter?

vandriver

The deciding officer would have sent you a sheet with the workings of the decision.Did you get this.
Are you single,or co-habiting?
Do you have a lot of savings?
Do you own a place you rent out?

On the face of it,12.5 hours at minimum wage over 2 days would result in means of about €40.

A_Sober_Paddy

vandriver wrote: »

The deciding officer would have sent you a sheet with the workings of the decision.Did you get this.
Are you single,or co-habiting?
Do you have a lot of savings?
Do you own a place you rent out?

On the face of it,12.5 hours at minimum wage over 2 days would result in means of about €40.

I'm single living with my mother.
I've no savings.
No rent...

I've been covering holidays over the last few weeks, so I've been doing 3-4 days some weeks and other weeks 2-3 days.

I got the workings, but I was under the understanding I was applying for Casual dole, I was on JSB before not JSA...

So if I'm not getting anything...why did I get a letter saying my cheque should be arriving soon...so confused

vandriver

There is no such thing as 'casual dole'.You are either on JSA or JSB.I see from your payment amount that you are under 25.Your mother's income is taken into account to arrive at your means.Would this have a bearing on the means calculation?
Also,what wage slips did you give in to the deciding officer,were they the higher ones from when you were covering holidays?
If so,I would look to be reassessed.

A_Sober_Paddy

vandriver wrote: »

There is no such thing as 'casual dole'.You are either on JSA or JSB.I see from your payment amount that you are under 25.Your mother's income is taken into account to arrive at your means.Would this have a bearing on the means calculation?
Also,what wage slips did you give in to the deciding officer,were they the higher ones from when you were covering holidays?
If so,I would look to be reassessed.

Didn't ask for any of her or my own pay slips this time...

+I was on JSB,
+Got offered a part time Job
+I Informed the Dept of Social Protection, they gave me a form to fill out & a form for my employer to fill out
+Handed back both forms
+Then I was Issued with casual dockets
+Filled out docket's and dropped them into the office every week for the last 8 weeks
+Received that letter early this week(Tuesday I believe) saying I'm getting something and not getting something...

I was told above at my hatch, for the weeks I work 3 days or else I'll receive a payment, and the weeks I work more than that I don't...

So it seems they lied to me, and I'm now worse off with a job...So I'll have to consider my options, may have to leave the job and re-join the dole que as its not financially viable for me to be living off €108 a week

vandriver

Something in this saga doesn't seem right!
Jsb is NOT means tested,so that would tie in with not being asked for pay slips.However,the letter you got is a decision on JSA which is means tested,and it seems that they think you have failed the means test.
Do you have any days left of JSB? (It used to be 312 days,but I think this changed).
Also,where are they getting the figures for their workings from?Did you even verbally give income figures.
Finally,is there any chance that the dole office interpreted your request to go on 'casual dole' as a request to be put on JSA?
You may or may not be able to/want to answer here,but you need to get yourself up to speed on the rules and regulations of the process,so that you are better informed when you (inevitably) have to go back in to the dole office.

A_Sober_Paddy

vandriver wrote: »

Something in this saga doesn't seem right!
Jsb is NOT means tested,so that would tie in with not being asked for pay slips.However,the letter you got is a decision on JSA which is means tested,and it seems that they think you have failed the means test.
Do you have any days left of JSB? (It used to be 312 days,but I think this changed).
Also,where are they getting the figures for their workings from?Did you even verbally give income figures.
Finally,is there any chance that the dole office interpreted your request to go on 'casual dole' as a request to be put on JSA?
You may or may not be able to/want to answer here,but you need to get yourself up to speed on the rules and regulations of the process,so that you are better informed when you (inevitably) have to go back in to the dole office.

Was up there today...They made a balls of the means test, somehow did one without a payslip(which I was never told I needed), so just need to drop in my 2 pay slips(paid monthly) and they'll try and get it sorted ASAP...Just did some of my own maths and looks like I'll fall under the €144 even with the extra hours I've been doing

P.S cheers vandriver your responses have been helpful(sorry if my replies were bitter, rude or mean, was just getting annoyed by the whole situation)

vandriver

Hope you get sorted OK.If you need any help checking the figures ,you know where I am!

RUNNER 1

Hey can any1 tell me if i do 10 hours aweek and im on 100 JSA wat would i get ?

mp22

How many days will you be working,gross income per week?

RUNNER 1

Il be workin two 5 hour days , e86.50 c a week

mp22

Subtract 40 from 86 get 60% of 46 aprox 27 euro means your payment from the social will be aprox €73 per week.

swpb

hi just looking for abit of advice. I worked fulltime from 1998 - 2008, then went on mat leave and received maternity benefit, then went onto illness benefit for 2 years, jsb for 11 months and then a ce scheme for 18months.

i have now left ce job as I got a part time job working 3 days a week am I entitled to claim for the other 2 days or would i not have enough stamps. i cohabit and dont think jsa would entitle me to anything but does anyone know if I would be entitled to jsb payment for the 2 days i don't work.

hope this makes sense.
thanks in advance

swpb

A

swpb wrote: »

hi just looking for abit of advice. I worked fulltime from 1998 - 2008, then went on mat leave and received maternity benefit, then went onto illness benefit for 2 years, jsb for 11 months and then a ce scheme for 18months.

i have now left ce job as I got a part time job working 3 days a week am I entitled to claim for the other 2 days or would i not have enough stamps. i cohabit and dont think jsa would entitle me to anything but does anyone know if I would be entitled to jsb payment for the 2 days i don't work.

hope this makes sense.
thanks in advance

shockwave

Is there much of a delay when you finish x & o's and want to move back to jobseekers? I know if you sign off completly you could be waiting months for it to come through.

Houdini212

I have recently switched my claim to casual jsa. I received the form and slips from the SWO but my employer has to send the letter to the UK to be signed so may take awhile. Should I fill out the x and o slips and drop them in even though I haven't returned the form to the SWO?

RUNNER 1

Can any1 help me here i have started a new job i do 3 days aweek 8 hours shifts , what wud i get off the casual dole?

mp22

Subtract €60 from your gross income,get 60% of the remainder that is your means.Subtract means from your social payment= payment.