Free network foundation (fnf)

martin g

Hi

Has anyone heard of this movement ? I seen the documentary the other day and liked what i seen. Is any one involved of knows anyone ?

chin_grin

Well you could go here for a start. Never heard of it myself.

http://freenetworkfoundation.org/

martin g

chin_grin wrote: »

Well you could go here for a start. Never heard of it myself.

http://freenetworkfoundation.org/

Ive been on there website and being finding out about them, just looking to see if anyone in Ireland is involved yet and have 1 set up.

ED E

Hipster twats being hipster twats.


There is no way a group like this could set up infrastructure to touch even 1% of global capacity. Internet connections and being an ISP takes a huge amount of work and management and is not something that can be feasibly be done by amateurs.

Set a free AP up in dublin and watch it get taken down by thousands of leechers in a few minutes.

Khannie

ED E wrote: »

Hipster twats being hipster twats.

Disagree with more or less everything you said.

1) Fair play to them for trying. Wikipedia wouldn't be there without some lunatic having the gumption to try and set it up.

2) So what if they're hipsters. They don't look like you or sound like you so you think they're twats? What a load of nonsense.

3) Censorship doesn't seem like a thing for you because you live in a country where for the most part the government is too unconcerned with attempting to control the populous to bother trying it. I'd guess you've never travelled to a country where the internet is agressively censored. I have and it's disturbing. China of course is famous for it. Anything that doesn't agree with the current regime is censored. As I understand it for example, most people in China know nothing about the Tianenmen Square massacre in the 80's.

4) People said that Dublin Bikes would never work. That there would be bikes in the liffey etc..

ED E

1) Setting up a website, albeit a big one, is just that, a small bit of cyberspace. Being an ISP cant be compared.

2) I may have been a little harsh, I have a tendency to give them more stick than warranted, but its not on aesthetics, its the general attitude. Ive no issue with silly beards and oversized glasses.

3) Just because I believe this to be a dud idea doesnt make me pro censorship. F@ck, I go nuts when I have to work behind a proxy. Censorship is wrong, but this isnt how you fix it.

4) Some people said DB would never work, anyone informed realised that it was based on the london/madrid model that had been refined after the first bikes in london all got nicked. Also, some people said a lot of things wouldnt work that did, its not really an argument.


Problems I see:
If a government wants to censor they can easy take down these AP's in hours, even take a few crucial links and its all dead. There will never be too many of them to confiscate them all.

Until they hit critical mass(and that means thousands of points in just one city) they're useless without connecting to a traditional ISP. A proxy is put in there and its all over again.

The "Solution" to this is companies like Google insisting on net neutrality. Same way dublin bikes are run successfully by JCDecaux. If that were to be run by a small group of enthusiasts it would no doubt fall apart sooner rather than later.

PrzemoF

ED E wrote: »

Hipster twats being hipster twats.

There is no way a group like this could set up infrastructure to touch even 1% of global capacity.

20 years ago nobody thought a random crowd could make an operating system or create an encyclopedia (I can't find the original quote...)

Check out wikipedia or linux....

Technologies like wifi direct will make it even easier and I think OLPC use the same idea - mesh of access point working together.