All Ireland Hurling Quarter Finals

Clareman

Draw has just taken place,

Limerick take on Kilkenny and Cork take on Waterford

Cake Man

Two good games in store, please god a double header in Thurles. No need to drag these to Croker.

jacko

Disappointed with the draw, would have preferred if Cork got KK.

whats the SF draw then?. Assuming KK beat limerick, then they play Tipp. And Galway can play either Cork or WFord.

What if Limerick beat KK, can Limerick meet Tipp again

StephenHendry

jacko wrote: »

Disappointed with the draw, would have preferred if Cork got KK.

whats the SF draw then?. Assuming KK beat limerick, then they play Tipp. And Galway can play either Cork or WFord.

What if Limerick beat KK, can Limerick meet Tipp again

yeah, qf will be on 29/7/12. i think they will be in semple. if kk win, they they play tipp as tipp have already played waterford and cork. if limerick win, then it would be an open draw as we've played all three teams

Mairzydoats

Had a feeling Limerick would get KK. Hard to imagine them causing an upset.
Cork v Waterford is hard to call. Waterford will have to play better than they did against Tipp. And can't miss as many frees. Cork to sneak it.

liammur

Mairzydoats wrote: »

Had a feeling Limerick would get KK. Hard to imagine them causing an upset.
Cork v Waterford is hard to call. Waterford will have to play better than they did against Tipp. And can't miss as many frees. Cork to sneak it.

I also guessed LK would get KK, the perfect draw for Cork. Looking like a KK v Gy final at this stage.

Mairzydoats

liammur wrote: »

I also guessed LK would get KK, the perfect draw for Cork. Looking like a KK v Gy final at this stage.

Hard to disagree with that. Limerick will put it up to KK but will fall short. Or they'll ship a couple of goals in the first 5 minutes, go a dozen points behind but rally to close within about 5 at the end. We've been there before. We know the story.
Tipp might have something to say about it but I didn't think they looked great yesterday despite winning. I'd have Cork, Limerick, Waterford & Clare all on a fairly level field with any of them capable of beating any of the others on their day. KK & Galway are a fair distance ahead with Tipp a little off the 2 of them.

jacko

yea, would have to think Galway big favorites to make the final. Although they're always prone to losing the games you'd expect them to win.

KK v Tipp will probably decide the all Ireland winners this year

cgpg5

Great draw for Cork tbf. Can see them making the final if I'm honest. We have a bad habit of putting up a great performance and then losing the subsequent game

cgpg5

Mairzydoats wrote: »

Hard to disagree with that. Limerick will put it up to KK but will fall short. Or they'll ship a couple of goals in the first 5 minutes, go a dozen points behind but rally to close within about 5 at the end. We've been there before. We know the story.
Tipp might have something to say about it but I didn't think they looked great yesterday despite winning. I'd have Cork, Limerick, Waterford & Clare all on a fairly level field with any of them capable of beating any of the others on their day. KK & Galway are a fair distance ahead with Tipp a little off the 2 of them.

Ah now, I'd have Tipp as the best team if I'm honest. No evidence Galway are better after one killer performance. We'll know a lot after the semi final performance

HigginsJ

Cork should have enough for Waterford but they will need to improve alot from Saturday to be fair. Waterford would have been alot closer yesterday if they hadn't missed 4/5 scoreable frees. That being said dont think either would have enough for Galway.

Limerick will turn over Kilkenny. Getting players fit and in form at the right moment. Hickey, Hannon fit to start, maybe Paul Browne with Downes an impact from the bench. Think Limerick to shade it prob 4-13 to 2-17. Bring on Tipp in the semis

gavink89

Just so people know, the GAA are already selling a triple ticket for Croke Park for the hurling quarter-finals, and both semi-finals.

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Pretty good value at €80 for 4 matches!

Looks like it might be Croker......

Red Crow

The semi final between Tipp and Kk decides who wins it this year.

I can't see Galway doing KK again and usually KK will come back strong. Its really hard to look past KK now. I certainly would of preferred to see Cork v KK. IMO its going to be a KK v Cork final.

Hopefully we can step it up and beat the cats the semi finals.

HigginsJ

gavink89 wrote: »

Looks like it might be Croker......

If its Croker the Gaa deserve a phong up the hole.

Thurles is central for pretty much all 4 counties and crowd of 35,000/40,000 give great athmosphere.

adrian522

StephenHendry wrote: »

yeah, qf will be on 29/7/12. i think they will be in semple. if kk win, they they play tipp as tipp have already played waterford and cork. if limerick win, then it would be an open draw as we've played all three teams

Actually there can't be a draw. The winner of KK/Lim will play Tipp and the winner of Cork/Waterford will play Galway.

You can't have a repeat of the provincial final in the semi is the only stipulation.

TopOfTheRight

adrian522 wrote: »

Actually there can't be a draw. The winner of KK/Lim will play Tipp and the winner of Cork/Waterford will play Galway.

You can't have a repeat of the provincial final in the semi is the only stipulation.

What if Limerick and Cork win?!

HigginsJ

TopOfTheRight wrote: »

What if Limerick and Cork win?!

Still think it will be Limerick v Tipp and Cork v Galway. Don't think their will be a draw. RTE.ie has it down already as Tipp v Limerick/Kilkenny and Galway v Cork/Waterford.

soccymonster

HigginsJ wrote: »

Still think it will be Limerick v Tipp and Cork v Galway. Don't think their will be a draw. RTE.ie has it down already as Tipp v Limerick/Kilkenny and Galway v Cork/Waterford.

Great to know Limerick have the easier side of the draw anyways
Although I do think we'll rattle Kilkenny, it'll be hard to see us beating them.. Hopefully we won't be on the receiving end of a huge backlash

Tesco Mobile: Paul

Draw for Semi was set before this am. There are no more draws in the hurling championship

Tipp play Leinster losers (or the team that beats them)
Galway play Munster losers (or the team that beats them)

PTH2009

Kilkenny to win by 8 points and Cork to win by 2.

John Mullane and Tony Browne end there Waterford Carears soon after the game

StephenHendry

Tesco Mobile: Paul wrote: »

Draw for Semi was set before this am. There are no more draws in the hurling championship

Tipp play Leinster losers (or the team that beats them)
Galway play Munster losers (or the team that beats them)

thanks for clearing that up

paddy no 11

Double header in croker most likely?

premierstone

Thurles would make far more sense, so yeah probably Croker :rolleyes:

popebenny16

Cake Man wrote: »

Two good games in store, please god a double header in Thurles. No need to drag these to Croker.

would imagine it will be in cork, just to annoy people.

ah no, thurles it has to be.

cork-waterford will be a cracker i think. limerick will proabably hurl for their lives in the first half against KK but I cant see past a cats win.

croker1

Mairzydoats wrote: »

Hard to disagree with that. Limerick will put it up to KK but will fall short. Or they'll ship a couple of goals in the first 5 minutes, go a dozen points behind but rally to close within about 5 at the end. We've been there before. We know the story.
Tipp might have something to say about it but I didn't think they looked great yesterday despite winning. I'd have Cork, Limerick, Waterford & Clare all on a fairly level field with any of them capable of beating any of the others on their day. KK & Galway are a fair distance ahead with Tipp a little off the 2 of them.

Im loving this whole idea that Galway are well ahead of the rest of the country now! Did I hear one person saying this before the KK game? They are still on par with the rest of the country IMO. They came out with a great game plan and fair play to them it worked! But id like to see them do it on a consistent basis before I could say there a cut above the rest

HigginsJ

croker1 wrote: »

Im loving this whole idea that Galway are well ahead of the rest of the country now! Did I hear one person saying this before the KK game? They are still on par with the rest of the country IMO. They came out with a great game plan and fair play to them it worked! But id like to see them do it on a consistent basis before I could say there a cut above the rest

Spot on with this. Personally Tipp prob favourites having came through 3 of the 5 teams left. Also thought they looked sharper yesterday than they have done so far.

Galway were class against Kilkenny but as you say lets see them do it again.

KK will be hard pushed to get past Limerick as well

TBP

As a Galway man I'd be surprised if they put in another performance like what they put in against Kilkenny and being honest I don't think they'd have to reach those heights in order to put away Cork or Waterford either.

StephenHendry

TBP wrote: »

As a Galway man I'd be surprised if they put in another performance like what they put in against Kilkenny and being honest I don't think they'd have to reach those heights in order to put away Cork or Waterford either.

exaclty, in 01 and 05 galway did not reproduce the form against kk on both occasions in the AI, i still think galway will beat cork or waterford tbh but having said that it wouldnt surprise me if galway got beaten.

CyberDave

Limerick beating Kilkenny can't be ruled out. There might not be the backlash that everyone is expecting from Kilkenny. The likes of Shefflin, Tommy Walsh, Hickey and Tyrell have a lot of miles on the clock. Limerick are by and large a young team and could exploit Kilkenny with speed, as Galway did. Either way a Tipp/Kilkenny or Tipp/Limerick semi-final would be good.

On the other side it's a hard one to call between Cork and Waterford. Both are in a rebuilding phase. I think Cork could beat Waterford. Galway do not have great recent records against either of these teams. If Waterford get through, Galway owe them big time, for last year and 2009, so wouldn't be short on motivation. If it's Cork, I would be fearful of a repeat of Thurles 2008.

aidan24326

Kilkenny are still the best team despite the hammering they got against Galway, and I can see them putting Limerick to the sword.

Cork slight favourites for the other one imo. From a Galway point of view I'd rather play Cork in the semi than Waterford. Not because they'd be easy or anything, far from it, but because we've a terrible record against Waterford and just can't seem to beat them.

Galway v Cork and Kilkenny v Tipp would be two cracking semi finals though! (not that I'm writing off Waterford by any means)

Diabhal Beag

I'd still have Tipp and KK as the top 2. Galway have had issues with consistency and will still be shaky if they end up against Waterford again.

That said if they play with half the intensity as they had against KK they should scrape past Cork or Waterford.

But still it's Galway,

Duiske

There's not much between Cork, Waterford and Limerick so it was never going to make a huge difference who Kilkenny were drawn against. The Cork v Waterford game is going to be a cracker and it will be very tight. I think Cork though have more scope for improvement than the Deise, so maybe a Cork win by a point or 2 ?. Limerick are obviously a decent team and need to be respected, but Kilkenny are back to full strength and have something to prove after the Leinster final, so I'd expect a KK win by 6 to 8 points. No bias there, I swear.

cson

Hope Waterford get through because then you've about 4 years of hardship against them to pin up on the dressing room wall. And if they can't get motivated enough to blow them away after that then its just as well they wouldn't be in the AI final anyway.

Fingers crossed for a Tipp - Galway final.

Lapin

TBP wrote: »

As a Galway man I'd be surprised if they put in another performance like what they put in against Kilkenny and being honest I don't think they'd have to reach those heights in order to put away Cork or Waterford either.

As a fellow Galweigan I think Cork would give us an easier game than Waterford.

This time last year we left the Gaelic Grounds on a high after stuffing Cork by 12 points, only to leave Thurles a few weeks later with our tails between our legs having been knocked out by The Deise yet again.

Waterford seem to have a hold over Galway in recent years and have become something of a bogey team for us. I think we underestimate them when we come up against them, and there is the possibility that they raise their own game when they meet us.

Having said all that though, I'd love the chance to get the Waterford monkey off our back,
and I think they'd test us better en route to the final than Cork would.

Red Crow

croker1 wrote: »

Im loving this whole idea that Galway are well ahead of the rest of the country now! Did I hear one person saying this before the KK game? They are still on par with the rest of the country IMO. They came out with a great game plan and fair play to them it worked! But id like to see them do it on a consistent basis before I could say there a cut above the rest

That was the worst Kilkenny performance I've seen in 8+ years. They just weren't there and looked tired both mentally and physically. They needed to lose that game because obviously it would have occurred in the semi final had it not been Galway. I don't think it was a case that Galway had to show up on the day either. They hurled very well on the day but let's not get carried away. I wouldn't have them [Galway] favourites to get to the final. Waterford beat them last year and Cork have come on lots this year. I'd have a sneaky suspicion Cork will come out of that side of the draw.

aidan24326 wrote: »

Kilkenny are still the best team despite the hammering they got against Galway, and I can see them putting Limerick to the sword.

Agreed, Kilkenny still set the standard and they are still the team to beat. I'd expect a Limerick hammering but Limerick have shown this year that they can show top-level intensity for 50-60 minutes and match teams man-for-man. I still think they are 2-3 years away and the bench is a bit light but they won't be easy to beat under normal circumstances but this Kilkenny team will be out to prove a point and I think they may go into overdrive.

Kilkenny are still favourites for me with Tipp just behind them and then there is still a gap between the rest. I'll put my house on the winner being from the winner of the Kilkenny/Limerick/Tipperary side.

Eli Manning

Eli Manning wrote: »

I can't see Galway doing KK again and usually KK will come back strong. Its really hard to look past KK now. I certainly would of preferred to see Cork v KK. IMO its going to be a KK v Cork final.

What kind of rubbish is that.
You beat them once and supposedly you have less chance of beating them a second time? :rolleyes:
What about if we lost the Leinster final, with this logic does that mean we'd have a better chance the second time around?.

I don't remember any red cards, a flurry of soft goals or anything else that points to a reversal.
If we lost the LF like that, we'd be the firm favourites to lose the 1/4 final so let's see how they go the next two games on FORM... and not basing it off some ridicules assertion that after getting a spanking they're the favourites this year.

Red Crow

gilberto_eire wrote: »

What kind of rubbish is that.
You beat them once and supposedly you have less chance of beating them a second time? :rolleyes:
What about if we lost the Leinster final, with this logic does that mean we'd have a better chance the second time around?.

I don't remember any red cards, a flurry of soft goals or anything else that points to a reversal.
If we lost the LF like that, we'd be the firm favourites to lose the 1/4 final so let's see how they go the next two games on FORM... and not basing it off some ridicules assertion that after getting a spanking they're the favourites this year.

I don't think Kilkenny will be as complacent and I don't think Galway would catch them on an 'off-day' again. It's not that hard to understand.

Watching Kilkenny throughout the years would show you this.

PaulKK

Eli Manning wrote: »

I don't think Kilkenny will be as complacent and I don't think Galway would catch them on an 'off-day' again. It's not that hard to understand.

Watching Kilkenny throughout the years would show you this.

I would have to agree. All due respect to Galway but with Mick Fennelly, M Rice and JJ it might of been a different result in the Leinster Final.

I will reserve judgement until after the Quarter finals though.

Syferus

adrian522 wrote: »

Actually there can't be a draw. The winner of KK/Lim will play Tipp and the winner of Cork/Waterford will play Galway.

You can't have a repeat of the provincial final in the semi is the only stipulation.

If Cork and Limerick win it'll be an open draw.

HigginsJ

Syferus wrote: »

If Cork and Limerick win it'll be an open draw.

No it wont. Its set no more draws

Fireball07

Yeah, no more draws afaik.



It's bloody typical though....Kilkenny :mad: The one team in Ireland nobody wants to face. I'd fancy our chances against Galway/Tipp/Cork/Waterford but KK, despite the loss in the Leinster final, have the ability to bring it to a completely different level.

Our team is coming along nicely but is probably a year or two off their peak yet and they're going to have to play better than any Limerick team has played in years to win this one. Hopefully they can, I'm not going to go in completely downbeat, our ability to score goals is one flicker of hope, as is our ability to defend against goals. But if anyone can break that down, it's KK and I'm sure they'll have no problems picking off points...

HigginsJ

Fireball07 wrote: »

Yeah, no more draws afaik.



It's bloody typical though....Kilkenny :mad: The one team in Ireland nobody wants to face. I'd fancy our chances against Galway/Tipp/Cork/Waterford but KK, despite the loss in the Leinster final, have the ability to bring it to a completely different level.

Our team is coming along nicely but is probably a year or two off their peak yet and they're going to have to play better than any Limerick team has played in years to win this one. Hopefully they can, I'm not going to go in completely downbeat, our ability to score goals is one flicker of hope, as is our ability to defend against goals. But if anyone can break that down, it's KK and I'm sure they'll have no problems picking off points...

1st 15 minutes be crucial. Weather the inevitable storm and try pick off few scores. If Mulcahy/Tobin get space they can cause trouble for anyone.

Fireball07

HigginsJ wrote: »

1st 15 minutes be crucial. Weather the inevitable storm and try pick off few scores. If Mulcahy/Tobin get space they can cause trouble for anyone.

True...Kilkenny normally kill people with goals.

If we blitz them with a couple of early goals like Galway did, and prevent them from doing the same, we might have some sort of chance.

I really hope Hannon will be fully fit.

HigginsJ

Fireball07 wrote: »

True...Kilkenny normally kill people with goals.

If we blitz them with a couple of early goals like Galway did, and prevent them from doing the same, we might have some sort of chance.

I really hope Hannon will be fully fit.

The 21's game during the week should bring him up to speed.

Fireball07

HigginsJ wrote: »

The 21's game during the week should bring him up to speed.

Hopefully...however the pessimist in me worries that it could infuriate the injury and rule him out :eek: Hopefully that's just natural paranoia.

HigginsJ

Fireball07 wrote: »

Hopefully...however the pessimist in me worries that it could infuriate the injury and rule him out :eek: Hopefully that's just natural paranoia.

Limerick & Paranoia???? Bout 10 minutes to go saturday one of the clare fans said he hoped we avoided KK. I said it wasn't over and he said sur 6 points up 10 minutes to go you'd never lose that.

I said "obviously you dont follow Limerick that much!!"

Back to Hannon, he has now had 40 minutes against Antrim and 40 minutes against Clare so he should be spot on for KK now. Need Hickey, Condon & Browne fit.

WumBuster

I hope Limerick can spring a suprise against Kilkenny, then it would be anyone's All ireland. I dont see it happening though.

The other side of the draw Waterford , Cork and Galway will all happily fancy their chances of getting to an AI final at least. Waterford and Cork could go either way but i have a sneaking suspicion Waterford may just get the better of them. Its a young enough Cork team and they may not be ready to make a breakthrough and challenge the big guns just yet. I dont really buy into this Galway hype either despite their impressive display against Kilkenny. They can blow hot and cold at the best of times and the ultimate test will be in a big match at Croker in August or September, its a different ball game completely.

Look forward to some very good games in whats shaping up to be a very interesting championship.

cson

Galway winning Leinster is probably one of the best things to happen in the Championship for years; the last 3 years have been so utterly predictable - Cork catching Tipperary on the hop last year being the only surprise result I can remember. You've 4 cracking games coming up imo.

Big Ears

cson wrote: »

Galway winning Leinster is probably one of the best things to happen in the Championship for years; the last 3 years have been so utterly predictable - Cork catching Tipperary on the hop last year being the only surprise result I can remember. You've 4 cracking games coming up imo.

and that wasn't even last year it was 2010, which saw Tipperary take a path through the qualifiers to the All-Ireland title.

Limerick are going in under the most ideal conditions. They are young, vastly inexperienced by comparison and are totally written off (understandable). But they have a hugely talented young team that fear no one and one quality which they showed against Cork in last years epic under 21 is that they never give up. You could argue that they may not have needed the back door so soon had they kept Dowling out in the half forward line against ourselves.

Id give Limerick a chance but for them to win, they will have to block and hook from the first whistle to the last ala Galway the last day and every single ball they play to each other or attempt of a score is absolutely crucial. Any pass that goes astray could end up a goal at the other end in seconds as Tony Óg Regan's error proved the last day. The line between holding your own against the Cats and being obliterated by them is dental floss thin

buck65

I reckon the Cats will murder Limerick, Cork and Waterford will be close neither team are great and both are seriously lacking in someone to grab the game by the scruff of the neck. Cork to win and then Galway?
Cork might actually get to the All Ireland this year!