Thoughts - Volkswagen

obi604

Anyone have any thoughts on this car :

http://www.templeoguecarsales.ie/viewanad.php?ad_id=813234

Is the price too dear ?
I know the b6 passats are not great but I think that's mainly the diesel cars.
Anyone have any experience with the 1.8 tsi passat ?
Are these dealers ok ?



I'm not looking for alternatives to this car or buy a 1.6 or why don't you do this and that, just lookIng for thoughts on this model of the car

martyc5674

Reason not to get it, all the chavs drive them.... Seriously

_Kaiser_

martyc5674 wrote: »

Reason not to get it, all the chavs drive them.... Seriously

What? Seriously? I think you're confusing the B6 with the older B5/B5.5 to be honest which I have to say are rock-solid for their age, particularly with the 1.9 TDI lump. I sometimes still miss my 02 version

OP I have a 2L TDI version of the B6 and you're right, there are several issues to look out for in regards injectors, flywheels and others but I haven't heard many complaints about the petrol ones - 1.6 might be a bit underpowered though? It's a heavy car

There's also people who have problems with the electronic handbrake and steering columns and servicing them isn't cheap unless you have a good indie you can call on but on the plus side they're a very comfy car that will eat the miles (at least mine does anyway), plenty of rear legroom, big boot etc.

As always though, check out the service history and maybe call a few of the previous garages that looked after it to verify.

carbon nanotube

martyc5674 wrote: »

Reason not to get it, all the chavs drive them.... Seriously

think you are mixing cars up.

obi604

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

martyc5674 wrote: »

Reason not to get it, all the chavs drive them.... Seriously

What? Seriously? I think you're confusing the B6 with the older B5/B5.5 to be honest which I have to say are rock-solid for their age, particularly with the 1.9 TDI lump. I sometimes still miss my 02 version

OP I have a 2L TDI version of the B6 and you're right, there are several issues to look out for in regards injectors, flywheels and others but I haven't heard many complaints about the petrol ones - 1.6 might be a bit underpowered though? It's a heavy car

There's also people who have problems with the electronic handbrake and steering columns and servicing them isn't cheap unless you have a good indie you can call on but on the plus side they're a very comfy car that will eat the miles (at least mine does anyway), plenty of rear legroom, big boot etc.

As always though, check out the service history and maybe call a few of the previous garages that looked after it to verify.

Thanks for reply Kaiser

This car in the link is a 1.8 tsi engine, not a 1.6

martyc5674

carbon nanotube wrote: »

martyc5674 wrote: »

Reason not to get it, all the chavs drive them.... Seriously

think you are mixing cars up.

Err...I'm not!!
A significant number of them owned by not very nice people who have a few quid ( I'm in Limerick so hands up I'm probably seeing more scobes than a lot of you guys)
Marty.

bazz26

That dealer is dreaming if he thinks he will get anywhere near €12k for a 4 year old petrol Passat.

OP, here is a similar speced one being sold for alot less:
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=201212207422476

I know it is a private sale but is the warranty from a dealer worth €3k to you? Remember that petrol Passats are very hard to sell these days so they should be going for alot cheaper than that.

BTW the 1.8 TSi is a decent enough unit if a little under powered for it's size. Also most of the issues with the B6 should have been ironed out by 2008.

obi604

bazz26 wrote: »

That dealer is dreaming if he thinks he will get anywhere near €12k for a 4 year old petrol Passat.

OP, here is a similar speced one being sold for alot less:
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=201212207422476

I know it is a private sale but is the warranty from a dealer worth €3k to you? Remember that petrol Passats are very hard to sell these days so they should be going for alot cheaper than that.

BTW the 1.8 TSi is a decent enough unit if a little under powered for it's size. Also most of the issues with the B6 should have been ironed out by 2008.

Thanks Bazz. So the passat I'm looking at is overpriced, I'll keep that in mind. Some depreciation on them from new !

I hear what your saying about the 3k, I just was never really too gone on private sales.

Is it only PETROL PASSATS that are hard to sell these days or all "big" petrol cars ?

bazz26

Anything petrol in that size of car is difficult to sell as everyone wants a diesel even if they don't need one. That's good for someone buying though.

obi604

bazz26 wrote: »

Anything petrol in that size of car is difficult to sell as everyone wants a diesel even if they don't need one. That's good for someone buying though.

So what would be a realistic price to offer for the car on my opening thread, given that it has 40,000 miles on it and it's from a stealer ?

carbon nanotube

don't mind what people are blabbing about diesels.

if you want a petrol get it. That's a pretty rare car, not many around.

as for haggling, I have no idea what that car is worth in Ireland. if you are paying cash expect a fairly big lump of a reduction, 600euro or more.


42k miles is nothing, if it has a good service history.

have you looked at other similar cars...?

bazz26

Being honest, it is really overpriced given the market for this type of car, even an offer of €10k or less would be on the high side imo and I really could not see them letting it go at price as they probably bought it in at around that price as a trade-in.

Have you looked at anything else, Honda Accord or Mazda 6 perhaps?

bazz26

carbon nanotube wrote: »

don't mind what people are blabbing about diesels.

if you want a petrol get it. That's a pretty rare car, not many around.

as for haggling, I have no idea what that car is worth in Ireland. if you are paying cash expect a fairly big lump of a reduction, 600euro or more.


42k miles is nothing, if it has a good service history.

have you looked at other similar cars...?

Nobody suggested that the OP buy a diesel. I was highlighting the fact that it is overpriced for a petrol model in a market dominated by diesels. 2008 diesel Passats are selling for €12k or less these days, a petrol one should be selling for well below that price.

colm_mcm

There are a lot of dodgy heads driving 05 onwards passats around limerick. Used to be avensis but they're going mad for passats now.

carbon nanotube

what about an accord executive, all the toys of the passat and more., many cars there if you got cash to spend don't limit to one particular car.

on hindsight it is overpriced.

Bobo78

colm_mcm wrote: »

There are a lot of dodgy heads driving 05 onwards passats around limerick. Used to be avensis but they're going mad for passats now.

Unfortunately that s very true, I m as well driving Passat 05 but old shape and have noticed so many times when driving through city centre that so many scobes and tinkers giving me the looks and checking out the car.

martyc5674

Bobo78 wrote: »

colm_mcm wrote: »

There are a lot of dodgy heads driving 05 onwards passats around limerick. Used to be avensis but they're going mad for passats now.

Unfortunately that s very true, I m as well driving Passat 05 but old shape and have noticed so many times when driving through city centre that so many scobes and tinkers giving me the looks and checking out the car.

And they have brand new ones too, usually with the chrome trim around the windows.
Seems to be the wagon of choice for the ones with the money.
For that reason I'd stay well clear.
Pity cos they are a good car.
Marty.

obi604

carbon nanotube wrote: »

don't mind what people are blabbing about diesels.

if you want a petrol get it. That's a pretty rare car, not many around.

as for haggling, I have no idea what that car is worth in Ireland. if you are paying cash expect a fairly big lump of a reduction, 600euro or more.


42k miles is nothing, if it has a good service history.

have you looked at other similar cars...?

I have. To be honest, I plain and simply Ilike a decent 0-60 speed. but I don't want to go above a 1.8 petrol.

Honda accord is a big heavy unit and 0-60 is not great.

Mazda 6 seems to be under powered

I know passat is heavy too but this 1.8 tsi engine has a 157 BHP engine with 184 lbs torque...........which is good compared to similar 1.8 engines cars.

obi604

OP here again

Based on all this, is 14,200 Euro too much for this car :

> 2009 Skoda Ocativia 1.8 tsi elegance, petrol, manual, hatchback with 25,000 miles

Im presuming it is a bit high in price, based on what you are telling me about the Passat but then again maybe the skoda wil have a better resale

I know this may be hard to call on as there are hardly any of tehse cars in ireland, but just looking for thoughts

Bobo78

I wouldn't change my mind about buying Passat just because a certain group of people have tendency to buy them at the moment.
If you like a particular car and it suits you and you can afford it I would def buy it.

The Tyre Dude

Was in a 2012 Octavia recently and the interior was a clear step down from a Passat. That Highline is nice inside and day to day would be a better place to spend time.

obi604

Bobo78 wrote: »

I wouldn't change my mind about buying Passat just because a certain group of people have tendency to buy them at the moment.
If you like a particular car and it suits you and you can afford it I would def buy it.

I hear what your syaing Bobo. And I like some other posters would never have really linked a passat to skobies : ) BUt this is not teh point thats putting me off.

This car im looking at after investigation seems to be over priced , but not a bad lookin car all the same.

obi604

The Tyre Dude wrote: »

Was in a 2012 Octavia recently and the interior was a clear step down from a Passat. That Highline is nice inside and day to day would be a better place to spend time.

mmmm, was this the basic spec octavia though as the one im on about is the elegance spec and it has a decent interior, touch screen radio, ac etc.

Honey-ec

colm_mcm wrote: »

There are a lot of dodgy heads driving 05 onwards passats around limerick. Used to be avensis but they're going mad for passats now.

Bobo78 wrote: »

I wouldn't change my mind about buying Passat just because a certain group of people have tendency to buy them at the moment.
If you like a particular car and it suits you and you can afford it I would def buy it.

Yeah, I really fail to see what difference it would make to a Dublin buyer what a few skangers in Limerick are driving???

bazz26

obi604 wrote: »

OP here again

Based on all this, is 14,200 Euro too much for this car :

> 2009 Skoda Ocativia 1.8 tsi elegance, petrol, manual, hatchback with 25,000 miles

Im presuming it is a bit high in price, based on what you are telling me about the Passat but then again maybe the skoda wil have a better resale

I know this may be hard to call on as there are hardly any of tehse cars in ireland, but just looking for thoughts

A 1.8 tsi Octavia will be even harder to shift than a 1.8 tsi Passat. The Octavia is a smaller car from a class below the Passat. Most people that want a petrol Octavia tend to choose a 1.2/1.4 or 1.6 litre. If they want something bigger they usually go for the 2.0 tsi vRS. You can count on one hand the number of 1.8 tsi Octavias and Passats sold in this country, there is no market for them here.

obi604

bazz26 wrote: »

A 1.8 tsi Octavia will be even harder to shift than a 1.8 tsi Passat. The Octavia is a smaller car from a class below the Passat. Most people that want a petrol Octavia tend to choose a 1.2/1.4 or 1.6 litre. If they want something bigger they usually go for the 2.0 tsi vRS. You can count on one hand the number of 1.8 tsi Octavias and Passats sold in this country, there is no market for them here.

Thanks ( yet again ) for the feedback bazz.

I know we are gone diesel mad in this country, we must be about 80% diesel cars in this country now since the bloody greens came in.

I only do 7000 miles a year, and therfore really, I shouldnt be buying a diesel.
I just plain and simply like the bit of poke in a car, I know people will say to buy a 1.4 or 1.6 normally aspirated car, but I dont want that, have driven them and do do my head in cause there so lathargic. I want the small bit of oooph whilst still staying kinda economical ( from a tax, insurance and mpg point of view - a 2 litre petrol is another step up again in this aspect )

So if I was to buy a 2009/2010 1.8 petrol passat or ocatvia now( or any 1.8 petrol car or above ) , your saying, ill get feck all for it in 2/3 years time

Bigus

Offer 9 k on the first black passant you linked here, tell him you don't really want a petrol one.

carbon nanotube

obi604 wrote: »

Thanks ( yet again ) for the feedback bazz.

I know we are gone diesel mad in this country, we must be about 80% diesel cars in this country now since the bloody greens came in.

I only do 7000 miles a year, and therfore really, I shouldnt be buying a diesel.
I just plain and simply like the bit of poke in a car, I know people will say to buy a 1.4 or 1.6 normally aspirated car, but I dont want that, have driven them and do do my head in cause there so lathargic. I want the small bit of oooph whilst still staying kinda economical ( from a tax, insurance and mpg point of view - a 2 litre petrol is another step up again in this aspect )

So if I was to buy a 2009/2010 1.8 petrol passat or ocatvia now( or any 1.8 petrol car or above ) , your saying, ill get feck all for it in 2/3 years time

fwiw, my 2.4 accord can get 400miles + on a full tank with moderate driving, it also got serious poke as you ramp thru the gears.

dont let the cc's put you off a car.


why not get a slightly older larger engined car and budget the money left aside for tax etc.

carbon nanotube

obi604 wrote: »

Thanks ( yet again ) for the feedback bazz.

I know we are gone diesel mad in this country, we must be about 80% diesel cars in this country now since the bloody greens came in.

I only do 7000 miles a year, and therfore really, I shouldnt be buying a diesel.
I just plain and simply like the bit of poke in a car, I know people will say to buy a 1.4 or 1.6 normally aspirated car, but I dont want that, have driven them and do do my head in cause there so lathargic. I want the small bit of oooph whilst still staying kinda economical ( from a tax, insurance and mpg point of view - a 2 litre petrol is another step up again in this aspect )

So if I was to buy a 2009/2010 1.8 petrol passat or ocatvia now( or any 1.8 petrol car or above ) , your saying, ill get feck all for it in 2/3 years time

prob...:rolleyes:

so you may as well get an older car and be less worried about resale.

if you want a decent resale on a car in your region (and year) you're looking at a audi quattro, 220/200bhp.

it wont have a huge market but it would hold its value reasonably well.

Cicero

The highline spec is very nice indeed. If you're only doing 7000 per annum, you should get a lot of years out of the car. After that, you'll still sell it but obviously only for a couple of grand if kept well - but even keeping it for 5 years and selling it for 1500 euro at that point means less than 2k per annum depreciation - and you've a nice car in the meantime.
MPG is going to be around 35 combined- not much more.

obi604

carbon nanotube wrote: »

obi604 wrote: »

Thanks ( yet again ) for the feedback bazz.

I know we are gone diesel mad in this country, we must be about 80% diesel cars in this country now since the bloody greens came in.

I only do 7000 miles a year, and therfore really, I shouldnt be buying a diesel.
I just plain and simply like the bit of poke in a car, I know people will say to buy a 1.4 or 1.6 normally aspirated car, but I dont want that, have driven them and do do my head in cause there so lathargic. I want the small bit of oooph whilst still staying kinda economical ( from a tax, insurance and mpg point of view - a 2 litre petrol is another step up again in this aspect )

So if I was to buy a 2009/2010 1.8 petrol passat or ocatvia now( or any 1.8 petrol car or above ) , your saying, ill get feck all for it in 2/3 years time

fwiw, my 2.4 accord can get 400miles + on a full tank with moderate driving, it also got serious poke as you ramp thru the gears.

dont let the cc's put you off a car.


why not get a slightly older larger engined car and budget the money left aside for tax etc.

I suppose I could, but then I don't want to spend me time fixing issues / extra maintenance involved with an older car

colm_mcm

A newer VW will have plenty to keep you busy too. just get a well maintained car to start with.