Dublin Bus 30 Day Rambler question

Joshycat

I have a Dublin Bus 30 Day Rambler the other day I came home from work having used it to make my journey to and from work my 15 year old son was heading out to a friend's house and getting the bus so I decided to give him my rambler so he wouldn't have to pay on the bus I have done this many times before anyway he gets on the bus scans the ticket and takes a seat downstairs he sees in the drivers mirror the driver pointing at him to come up to him when he walks up the driver says 'who's ticket is that you should not be using it?' the driver tells him he will let him off this time.I have checked the back of the rambler and it says nothing about them not being transferable so who's in the right me or the driver?

foggy_lad

Joshycat wrote: »

I have a Dublin Bus 30 Day Rambler the other day I came home from work having used it to make my journey to and from work my 15 year old son was heading out to a friend's house and getting the bus so I decided to give him my rambler so he wouldn't have to pay on the bus I have done this many times before anyway he gets on the bus scans the ticket and takes a seat downstairs he sees in the drivers mirror the driver pointing at him to come up to him when he walks up the driver says 'who's ticket is that you should not be using it?' the driver tells him he will let him off this time.I have checked the back of the rambler and it says nothing about them not being transferable so who's in the right me or the driver?

Tell him if this happens again to get the bus number and report it to Dublin bus, there is no ID required for this ticket and it is not stated as being non-transferable.

How did the driver know that the ticket was not your son's or that he was not 16? there is nothing stopping anyone under 16 from buying any adult ticket and using it.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Fares--Tickets/Tickets/2-Journey-Daily-Weekly/

Rambler 30 Day Adult €115.00

Valid for unlimited travel for 30 non-consecutive days
Valid on Dublin Bus scheduled services including Airlink and Xpresso (excluding Nitelink, Tours, Special Events and Private Contract services)
No CIE photo ID required

highlydebased

It's an adult ticket- technically a 15 year old is not considered an adult. Perhaps the driver thought he stole/found it or was using it unbeknown to someone

Joshycat

Thanks for the quick reply foggy lad

foggy_lad

highlydebased wrote: »

It's an adult ticket- technically a 15 year old is not considered an adult. Perhaps the driver thought he stole/found it or was using it unbeknown to someone

An adult ticket is always a ticket no matter who uses it, A child or student ticket on the other hand is a discounted fare issues subject to certain conditions being met including providing proof of being a student or proof of age.

doubletrouble?

be very careful O.P. on this.
http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/About-Us/Dublin-Bus-Bye-Laws/Fares/
No person shall transfer, tender or deliver a ticket to another person to enable that person to travel on a vehicle without paying the appropriate fare.

No passenger shall use or attempt to use any ticket which has been issued for use by another person and is not transferable.
in other words i would say no.it would be like you getting off at your stop, giving your son your ticket to travel on the same bus.

Green Diesel

doubletrouble? wrote: »

No passenger shall use or attempt to use any ticket which has been issued for use by another person and is not transferable.

The ticket is not marked as non transferable though.

doubletrouble?

Green Diesel wrote: »

The ticket is not marked as non transferable though.

and the by-laws aren't on the buses but everyone is expected to know them. in fact the only places you see by-laws etc are either on the web or in printed timetables.
i totally disagree with most of the posts here.
inspector gets on " hello son is this your ticket"
son " ehh no my dad gave it to me"
inspector " sorry son i'll have to issue you with a standard fare".
O.P. best thing to do is ring dublin bus head office and enquire. i'm afraid you could be put in the wrong direction here.

Green Diesel

A ticket is a ticket, it's not like a student ticket where a student travelcard number is required to be written on it, or a photo ID is required. It's a standard ticket. How would the driver know it doesn't belong to the holder?

doubletrouble?

Green Diesel wrote: »

A ticket is a ticket, it's not like a student ticket where a student travelcard number is required to be written on it, or a photo ID is required. It's a standard ticket. How would the driver know it doesn't belong to the holder?

most tickets are non transferable.i think leap being the exception. drivers have been at their jobs quiet a while and it would be extremely rare for them to come across a child using an adults ticket or should i say for anyone under 17 to buy an adult ticket. it's not the driver i'd be concerned about. a driver cannot refuse a child unless they're acting the mick. however what i would be careful of are the inspectors.
again going back to what it does or doesn't say on the ticket heres what it says again clearly on the link i gave.
No person shall transfer, tender or deliver a ticket to another person to enable that person to travel on a vehicle without paying the appropriate fare.

No passenger shall use or attempt to use any ticket which has been issued for use by another person and is not transferable.
so by what most of you are saying is this. a family can buy one ticket and the lot of them keep using it provided theres only one of them using the bus at a time. in fact what most of you are saying is you can give other people your ticket if your done with it just because it doesn't say non transferable.
i'm just trying to put the o.p. wide but i can guarantee you it's non transferable, just because it's not written on the ticket doesn't mean it it's non transferable.

Green Diesel

The fact that it's a child using the ticket is perhaps a sticky point alright, but assuming the second user is not under16, how would an inspector know that a rambler ticket was issued for use by another person?

Where does it state the 30 day rambler is non transferable?

foggy_lad

doubletrouble? wrote: »

be very careful O.P. on this.
http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/About-Us/Dublin-Bus-Bye-Laws/Fares/
No person shall transfer, tender or deliver a ticket to another person to enable that person to travel on a vehicle without paying the appropriate fare.

No passenger shall use or attempt to use any ticket which has been issued for use by another person and is not transferable.
in other words i would say no.it would be like you getting off at your stop, giving your son your ticket to travel on the same bus.

How can the inspector prove beyond reasonable doubt that the seasonal ticket which requires no ID or other identification when purchasing it does not belong to the 15year old? also there is nothing in the rules or bye-laws that states a child or someone under 16 is prohibited from travelling using an adult ticket, but if there is then how can the inspector prove the person is 15? Proof of age is only required for those seeking concessionary child/schoolchild fares. it is required to proove a passenger is under 16 and those purporting to be adults are not required to prove their age as they are paying the full price for their tickets.

TouchingVirus

I imagine somewhere on the ticket it states the ticket is issued subject to the by-laws of Dublin Bus. In the by-laws it states that no ticket is transferable. Therefore the ticket isn't transferable.

No passenger shall use or attempt to use any ticket which has been issued for use by another person and is not transferable.

If it comes down to provability then that's a different matter. The OP asked who as in the right, and that'd be the driver.

steve-o

Joshycat wrote: »

I have checked the back of the rambler and it says nothing about them not being transferable

Check below the barcode.

LXFlyer

Let me put some of the nonsense posted above to bed - DB Rambler tickets ARE transferable in the sense mentioned above - there is no requirement for photo ID. The same ticket cannot be used for two people travelling together (except the family ticket), but there is absolutely nothing preventing two members of the same household using the same rambler ticket at different times of the day.

At the same time I can understand why a driver might be suspicious of a child using an adult ticket, although he would have to have been staring at the smartcard validator as no message flashes up on his screen.

AlekSmart

lxflyer wrote: »

At the same time I can understand why a driver might be suspicious of a child using an adult ticket, although he would have to have been staring at the smartcard validator as no message flashes up on his screen.

On a point of order Mr Chairman....the Adult and Child Ramblers have different Audible validation tones,so a particularly vigilant driver might well have picked up on this,or perhaps a certain furtiveness or unfamiliarity on the part of the person validating the ticket....not all children travel about in short trousers,bare feet and a skull-cap...:)

Also,many Drivers,in an attempt to stave off boredom,would take note of the large quantities of Student Ramblers going through...just for the craic like .......;)

Just for clarity Joshycat,was the Rambler a Student product ..?

Dravokivich

lxflyer wrote: »

At the same time I can understand why a driver might be suspicious of a child using an adult ticket, although he would have to have been staring at the smartcard validator as no message flashes up on his screen.

Hmm, my Da has mentioned to me that he gets a notification to identify the difference of Child / Adult cards. Might be the tone Alek mentioned above, but the cardtype usage is distinguishable to a driver.

foggy_lad

Is there any specific bar on a child or student under 16 purchasing an adult 30 day rambler?

Joshycat

AlekSmart wrote: »

On a point of order Mr Chairman....the Adult and Child Ramblers have different Audible validation tones,so a particularly vigilant driver might well have picked up on this,or perhaps a certain furtiveness or unfamiliarity on the part of the person validating the ticket....not all children travel about in short trousers,bare feet and a skull-cap...:)

Also,many Drivers,in an attempt to stave off boredom,would take note of the large quantities of Student Ramblers going through...just for the craic like .......;)

Just for clarity Joshycat,was the Rambler a Student product ..?

It was an adult 30 day rambler the 115euro one

Joshycat

steve-o wrote: »

Check below the barcode.

Your right I was reading below the regulations but now when I look under the bar code I see Not Tranferable written there

Joshycat

lxflyer wrote: »

Let me put some of the nonsense posted above to bed - DB Rambler tickets ARE transferable in the sense mentioned above - there is no requirement for photo ID. The same ticket cannot be used for two people travelling together (except the family ticket), but there is absolutely nothing preventing two members of the same household using the same rambler ticket at different times of the day.

At the same time I can understand why a driver might be suspicious of a child using an adult ticket, although he would have to have been staring at the smartcard validator as no message flashes up on his screen.

I notice today on the bus when people with prepaid tickets got on and scanned them on the validator the driver kept looking at his machine for giving fares as if he was checking what tickets people were using are you sure no message comes up on his screen

foggy_lad

Joshycat wrote: »

Your right I was reading below the regulations but now when I look under the bar code I see Not Tranferable written there

How could the driver prove that someone had given the ticket to your son?

LXFlyer

Joshycat wrote: »

Your right I was reading below the regulations but now when I look under the bar code I see Not Tranferable written there

It does indeed say that but it means for two people on the same journey.

If it meant that two different people in the same household could not use it at different times there would be a requirement to have ID.

For goodness sakes they even marketed that applicability when smartcards were launched.

LXFlyer

Joshycat wrote: »

I notice today on the bus when people with prepaid tickets got on and scanned them on the validator the driver kept looking at his machine for giving fares as if he was checking what tickets people were using are you sure no message comes up on his screen

Yes I am.

doubletrouble?

Joshycat wrote: »

I notice today on the bus when people with prepaid tickets got on and scanned them on the validator the driver kept looking at his machine for giving fares as if he was checking what tickets people were using are you sure no message comes up on his screen

most types of tickets do show up what they are.

lxflyer wrote: »

It does indeed say that but it means for two people on the same journey.

i totally disagree. again going back to what i said earlier. if the O.P. got off the bus and gave his ticket to his son getting on the driver can and would be entitled to confiscate that ticket. you cannot simply get off a bus and pass your ticket onto someone getting on.

LXFlyer

doubletrouble? wrote: »

most types of tickets do show up what they are.

i totally disagree. again going back to what i said earlier. if the O.P. got off the bus and gave his ticket to his son getting on the driver can and would be entitled to confiscate that ticket. you cannot simply get off a bus and pass your ticket onto someone getting on.

On your first point you are incorrect. Most smartcard tickets do NOT appear on the driver's ticket machine when validated.

On your second point, the card does not require ID - how can you possibly suggest that two members of the same household cannot use it at different times?

It is a prepaid smartcard that has no photo ID requirements - you might like to tell me how anyone could figure out that multiple residents of the same household were not using the card at different times.

As I said that was part of the marketing of the rambler smartcards when they were launched.

Joshycat

E-mailed Dublin Bus last night asking as long as only one person uses the 30 Day rambler at a time could other family members use my ticket the response I got was "yes they can as you do not need I.D for this ticket"

foggy_lad

Joshycat wrote: »

E-mailed Dublin Bus last night asking as long as only one person uses the 30 Day rambler at a time could other family members use my ticket the response I got was "yes they can as you do not need I.D for this ticket"

So either the driver was confusing it with a different ticket or got suspicious when what appeared to be a child was using an adult ticket? either way you have the required information now in case this happens again:)

Tickityboo

lxflyer wrote: »

doubletrouble? wrote: »

most types of tickets do show up what they are.

i totally disagree. again going back to what i said earlier. if the O.P. got off the bus and gave his ticket to his son getting on the driver can and would be entitled to confiscate that ticket. you cannot simply get off a bus and pass your ticket onto someone getting on.

On your first point you are incorrect. Most smartcard tickets do NOT appear on the driver's ticket machine when validated.

On your second point, the card does not require ID - how can you possibly suggest that two members of the same household cannot use it at different times?

It is a prepaid smartcard that has no photo ID requirements - you might like to tell me how anyone could figure out that multiple residents of the same household were not using the card at different times.

As I said that was part of the marketing of the rambler smartcards when they were launched.

All cards validated appear on the drivers ticket machine.

doubletrouble?

Joshycat wrote: »

E-mailed Dublin Bus last night asking as long as only one person uses the 30 Day rambler at a time could other family members use my ticket the response I got was "yes they can as you do not need I.D for this ticket"

my apologies joshy and lx.