skid into kerb. broke front wheel

legomanx51v

Took a pictures, happened at half 10ish at night yesterday.

Was going left around a corner that starts gentle but gets sharper. Road was wet from the rain being on/off. I was too fast for the corner and it skid in a straight line, and headed for the kerb.
Hit pretty hard off the kerb, saw something fly off. I rolled the car back over to my side of the road and stopped.

The was smoke coming up from the front left, so i switched the engine off. Turns out it was just tire smoke and not the engine.
The something that had flown off at impact was the front brake disc. shattered into 4/5 pieces.
Greenish fluid was leaking onto the ground, not sure where it was coming from but it wasnt a lot in quantity or flowing fast. My ABS light was on in the dashboard.

I was so luck that there was no one coming the other way, car didnt roll over when it hit the kerb etc. so much could have gone wrong but didn't.

What to do? Is this the end for my micra? Is it too expensive to repair?
I love my car (big big sad face)

mickdw

I can't see your photos too good but if not claiming on insurance, a bit bits from a car breakers should see you back in action.

challengemaster

Mother of god that's lambaste

Untrained eye counting up what needs replacing and that's without knowing if other damage has been done...

New wheel
New tyre
New Wishbone
New droplinks
New hub?
New caliper / brake line
Steering parts certainly damaged...not familiar with the setup in a micra though
Probably a new shock

Brake fluid probably ran dry too, so master cylinder could be airlocked
And there's probably damage to the strut tower judging by the way the shock is bent


Out of curiosity, what tyres are on the car?

CiniO

challengemaster wrote: »

Steering parts certainly damaged...not familiar with the setup in a micra though

Inner and outer tie rod for exchange, and OP should be praying for steering gearshift to be allright.

legomanx51v

Sounds expensive...

I also forgot to mention that when i did try and put the car into gear, it wouldnt engage. As if the clutch was pressed all the time. I could pop it into any gear and there was no effect. Engine switched on/off fine.
EDIT: *crossing my fingers that this is a safety feature when the car has a crash, and not one more thing thats broken*

Cant remember the brand of tires but when they cant have been more than 1.5years old. Though i felt the front ones were feeling "slippy" for the last two weeks.
Im dont think the tires were especially worn though, was going around 40-50kph. Cant remember exactly, i had other things on my mind at the time

Mycroft H

Definitely a new hub assembly going to be needed plus drive shaft plus what challangmaster already listed.

I have no idea of what the cost of repair is going to be but its going to be north of a grand at least.

CiniO

legomanx51v wrote: »

Sounds expensive...

I also forgot to mention that when i did try and put the car into gear, it wouldnt engage. As if the clutch was pressed all the time. I could pop it into any gear and there was no effect. Engine switched on/off fine.
EDIT: *crossing my fingers that this is a safety feature when the car has a crash, and not one more thing thats broken*

You mean you press clutch, put into gear, and then when you release clutch and press accelerator, car doesn't move (engine revs go up).
If so, that's probably normal in that case, as you axle is most likely disconnected from hub at CV joint and is running freely.

But if you mean that you press clutch, and gear doesn't come on (you can't put lever into position of certain gear) then there is some more serious problem with the gearbox.

legomanx51v

CiniO wrote: »

You mean you press clutch, put into gear, and then when you release clutch and press accelerator, car doesn't move (engine revs go up).
If so, that's probably normal in that case, as you axle is most likely disconnected from hub at CV joint and is running freely.

But if you mean that you press clutch, and gear doesn't come on (you can't put lever into position of certain gear) then there is some more serious problem with the gearbox.

Its the first one. I cant put the lever into all the gears but the car wont move. Phew.
Would it be advisable to get repairs done (if feasible) at the dealer i bought the car from, or go to an independent? Or is it too soon to tell?

Henry Ford III

OSI wrote: »

...I would also seriously consider a rethink in your choice of tires. 50kmph should not be enough to cause you to lock up an skid like you did unless there was ice. What name is on the side of the tire?

Frytex?

keithclancy

legomanx51v wrote: »

Sounds expensive...

EDIT: *crossing my fingers that this is a safety feature when the car has a crash, and not one more thing thats broken*

That is not a safety feature, it means something in the transmission is banjaxed.

May well be a write off, get someone to have a look, there could be more damage in toward the power steering rack.

bf

Saw this in the Phoenix Park this morn & looked in a bad way. Can recommend Coolmine Motors if you want soemone to look at the car honestly, they are only a few mins up the road from where the car is

colm_mcm

What year is the car?

legomanx51v

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Frytex?

definitely not that.

bf wrote: »

Saw this in the Phoenix Park this morn & looked in a bad way. Can recommend Coolmine Motors if you want soemone to look at the car honestly, they are only a few mins up the road from where the car is

thanks for that. will give them a ring today. have you dealt with them before?

colm_mcm wrote: »

What year is the car?

07. why?

Top Dog

legomanx51v wrote: »

07. why?

Because the year of the car will give an indicator of possible value, and then it can be worked out if its actually worth fixing or not

CiniO

OSI wrote: »

I would also seriously consider a rethink in your choice of tires. 50kmph should not be enough to cause you to lock up an skid like you did unless there was ice. What name is on the side of the tire?

It all depends how tight was the bend.
I can show you plenty of bends, where even on top brand tyres, you will skid at 40km/h when wet.

keithclancy

CiniO wrote: »

It all depends how tight was the bend.
I can show you plenty of bends, where even on top brand tyres, you will skid at 40km/h when wet.

Something like that.

legomanx51v

CiniO wrote: »

OSI wrote: »

I would also seriously consider a rethink in your choice of tires. 50kmph should not be enough to cause you to lock up an skid like you did unless there was ice. What name is on the side of the tire?

It all depends how tight was the bend.
I can show you plenty of bends, where even on top brand tyres, you will skid at 40km/h when wet.

Marshal matrac tyres.

It looked like a ugly disaster this morning in daylight. I could see the the scrape all along the road that the wheel had left.
... How much would a 07 micra sell for parts?

bf

legomanx51v wrote: »

definitely not that.

thanks for that. will give them a ring today. have you dealt with them before?

07. why?

Yes do all the works on family cars recently. To date they have been very competitive on pricing & more importantly honest about what needs done to a car & more importantly doesn't need done

legomanx51v

Well had it towed to have it looked at by a nissan dealer.

..Total cost of repair
.. wait for it...
6,700. Foooook.
Thats over 2 grand more than its worth.

Drive shaft, steering, wishbone, strut, brake calipers, drive shaft, hub, springs, bunch of sensors and a few other bits and bobs all need replacement.
Even if i got another reapir shop to fix it with cheaper parts theres no way its going to be much cheaper.

Oh and my insurance doesnt cover it; Third party. I rang them and asked them that if hypothetically I crashed my car what would happen.

mickdw

legomanx51v wrote: »

Well had it towed to have it looked at by a nissan dealer.

..Total cost of repair
.. wait for it...
6,700. Foooook.
Thats over 2 grand more than its worth.

Drive shaft, steering, wishbone, strut, brake calipers, drive shaft, hub, springs, bunch of sensors and a few other bits and bobs all need replacement.
Even if i got another reapir shop to fix it with cheaper parts theres no way its going to be much cheaper.

Oh and my insurance doesnt cover it; Third party. I rang them and asked them that if hypothetically I crashed my car what would happen.

That's madness and secondly, absolute madness not having comprehensive insurance. Get the car to a crash repair shop who will source used parts and it will be a fraction of that.

EBay is full of your model micra for breaking so I would assume the Irish breakers have loads of them too. Get a full list and price up the bits.

Top Dog

legomanx51v wrote: »

Even if i got another reapir shop to fix it with cheaper parts theres no way its going to be much cheaper.

You might be surprised. Try it at least before you give up on it.

I had a front wheel bearing go back over the Christmas break. I didn't realise what it was at the time so drove on it for about 15 miles and did a lot more damage as a result. Parts alone from Mitsubishi was north of €1600 + VAT, but the mechanic who fixed it for me managed to source an entire front hub assembly along with sensors etc and the total repair including labour was just over €500.

So getting used parts can be considerably cheaper and is definitely worth exploring

I won't mention the insurance cover as I think MickDW has covered that

TGi666

take the parts list you got off nissan into a breakers yard then to a indy mechanic and see what happens im sure you could get it done under 2k

mickdw

Don't throw away your car based on a main dealer quote. Is there any bodywork damage at all?

carbon nanotube

TGi666 wrote: »

take the parts list you got off nissan into a breakers yard then to a indy mechanic and see what happens im sure you could get it done under 2k

thats the best advice, i'm sure 2k should get that fixed up.

if there's structural damage it may well be a write off though.

you would want to see if there's anything else wrong, no point pissing 2 grand down the drain.

bf

follow the advice of others here & get a non main dealer quote, I'd be surprised if its not at least 50% cheaper!

carbon nanotube

main dealers would have orgasams seeing a new-ish car like that so damaged and how much they can screw a punter over.

legomanx51v

mickdw wrote: »

Don't throw away your car based on a main dealer quote. Is there any bodywork damage at all?

Crazily enough theres no bodywork damage at all. All the impact was on the wheel and everything connected to it.

I've been thinking about getting it repaired at an independent garage. But i'm hesitant because:
1. They'd be using non-nissan parts (not really a massive issue)
2. Im not sure how robust the work will be. Ive had experiences with garages with cowboy mechanics. (removing the red warning light instead of actually fixing the problem kind of thing)
3. With the above in mind i would never feel comfortable driving down the M50 at 120. The fear of something underneath me just barely holding itself together would never leave me..

The nissan dealer offered me 1000 cash for "scrapping" the car. Hmmmm.

colm_mcm

Just use used parts. Made by Nissan.

miller50841

Do you know a mechanic ask around if not thats crazy money. You would be better off selling car for parts. I could ask my mechanic if he has an idea what cost would be let me know

legomanx51v

miller50841 wrote: »

Do you know a mechanic ask around if not thats crazy money. You would be better off selling car for parts. I could ask my mechanic if he has an idea what cost would be let me know

Well if your mechanic has a rough idea i'd love to know.

Heres the quote they gave me btw
Does a driveshaft really cost 800 euro ex vat??

Black_Knight

legomanx51v wrote: »

3. With the above in mind i would never feel comfortable driving down the M50 at 120. The fear of something underneath me just barely holding itself together would never leave me..

M50 is 100km/hr last I checked. Im sure a few here can recommend somewhere reputable to go to to get it fixed up.

Id certainly agree with others here. Dont use a main dealer to base your costs on, they're praying you bite. I once used a main dealer to quote the cost of damage someone caused to my car. They said 500 quid. A bit of dusty weather covered up that 500 quid damage pretty well (all cosmetic though).

carbon nanotube

forget nissan.

during the week get some coffee, sit down and log onto parts gateway.

register and look for all your bits..also try traynors.

most parts have warranties.

take all your bits to a good mechanic.

its a lot of damage though., how much of a bend are we talking here. ???

legomanx51v

Black_Knight wrote: »

M50 is 100km/hr last I checked.

Oh. Yes. 100kph. :P

OK i'm going to pop into coolmine motors on monday, they're closed on sundays (for rest) and have a chat and show them the parts list.
In the meantime i'll keep myself busy with the bangernomics thread!

miller50841

Why are 2 wheels on the list you would pick up a set of 4 alloys cheaper then that used but still. The others have good suggestions second hand would be best way and ask mechanic to fit

mickdw

Please don't give it to the dealer for 1k. You are being rather silly about your fears of the repair at another garage. Used parts from a car around the same age as yours will put the car back perfectly how it was.
You could even take it for an inspection somewhere else when finished to put your mind at ease.
I would certainly beat the dealers cash offer and I'm being serious when I say that.
Just on a side note. If dealer buys your car, whoever fixes it WILL be buying everything needed from breakers.

legomanx51v

mickdw wrote: »

I would certainly beat the dealers cash offer and I'm being serious when I say that.
Just on a side note. If dealer buys your car, whoever fixes it WILL be buying everything needed from breakers.

Roughly how much would you say?

legomanx51v

Talked to a few mechanics about it today and they offered to repair for 1500 to 2000.

Just decided to sell it off as is. Got 1750 for it, far better than the 1000 the dealer was offering.

Thanks to everyone for their help and suggestions

pappyodaniel

Sorry for your hardship Lego but the main thing is noone was hurt. Best of luck with your future motoring.

legomanx51v

pappyodaniel wrote: »

Sorry for your hardship Lego but the main thing is noone was hurt. Best of luck with your future motoring.

Tru dat.
So thankful no one else was involved

MugMugs

legomanx51v wrote: »

Talked to a few mechanics about it today and they offered to repair for 1500 to 2000.

Just decided to sell it off as is. Got 1750 for it, far better than the 1000 the dealer was offering.

Thanks to everyone for their help and suggestions

What's that car worth, 5k? 2k to keep or you get 1750 to walk away. Doesn't seem like a great deal tbh. What's a new car going to cost you?

Is she in good nick apart from this?

Bohrio

legomanx51v wrote: »

Talked to a few mechanics about it today and they offered to repair for 1500 to 2000.

Just decided to sell it off as is. Got 1750 for it, far better than the 1000 the dealer was offering.

Thanks to everyone for their help and suggestions

I am not saying that the Nissan are trying to get your money but had a similar experience some time ago, it was with my motorbike. I had an accident, so brought the bike to have it checked by a mechanic (known mechanic) and get an estimation of how much will it cost me to fix it. The guy said that the bike was beyond repair and was not worht fixing it, but that he was willing to get it out of my hands and offered me 1000 euro for it. told him no thanks and that I would be collecting the bike that afternoon, he said that, in order to check the damage he had to disassemble it so would not be possible for me to drive it anymore! he offered me 1200 euro for the bike then

Asked him to put it back together and that I will pick it up on the weekend.

That was 5 years ago, I still have the bike, running perfectly...

carbon nanotube

Antares wrote: »

What's that car worth, 5k? 2k to keep or you get 1750 to walk away. Doesn't seem like a great deal tbh. What's a new car going to cost you?

Is she in good nick apart from this?

that car was 2 grand in labour and another few in parts so he did as good as he could.

it was more or less a write off, i wouldn't buy it.

op, next time buy a nice saloon. less off the tinny micras.

MugMugs

carbon nanotube wrote: »

Antares wrote: »

What's that car worth, 5k? 2k to keep or you get 1750 to walk away. Doesn't seem like a great deal tbh. What's a new car going to cost you?

Is she in good nick apart from this?

that car was 2 grand in labour and another few in parts so he did as good as he could.

it was more or less a write off, i wouldn't buy it.

op, next time buy a nice saloon. less off the tinny micras.

Op, was the quote just labour?

knipex

legomanx51v wrote: »

Well had it towed to have it looked at by a nissan dealer.

..Total cost of repair
.. wait for it...
6,700. Foooook.
Thats over 2 grand more than its worth.

Drive shaft, steering, wishbone, strut, brake calipers, drive shaft, hub, springs, bunch of sensors and a few other bits and bobs all need replacement.
Even if i got another reapir shop to fix it with cheaper parts theres no way its going to be much cheaper.

Youwill get it fixed with parts from a scrap yard for a fraction of that.

I bought an entire front upright for a Seat Toledo including disk for €60

Find a good scrappy and you could buy that entire list for under a grand easy.

carbon nanotube

carbon nanotube wrote: »

op, next time buy a nice saloon. less off the tinny micras a set of quality tyres, not Marshall.

FYP