Ruaidhri Murphy - Irish or Australian?!?

barry1982

Interesting story on planetrugby http://planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,9817_7885454,00.html

"Bumbies Irish-born prop Ruaidhri Murphy is on a campaign to prove that he is eligible to play for the Wallabies.


Murphy, who is in his first season with the Canberra-based franchise after previously playing for Leinster and Exeter, represented Ireland at age-group level and has now asked a solicitor to help him in his bid to convince the IRB he deserves special discretion.

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leftleg

barry1982 wrote: »

Interesting story on planetrugby http://planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,9817_7885454,00.html

"Bumbies Irish-born prop Ruaidhri Murphy is on a campaign to prove that he is eligible to play for the Wallabies.


Murphy, who is in his first season with the Canberra-based franchise after previously playing for Leinster and Exeter, represented Ireland at age-group level and has now asked a solicitor to help him in his bid to convince the IRB he deserves special discretion.

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Afaik the guy is a Lh (open to corrections) and would b behind 2 good Lhs n Healy and court; if so let the guy play for oz; fair play to him going down to oz and making a name for himself

CIARAN_BOYLE

Its not like the guy is starting for Brumbies. In the last 6 games he has started once and been on the bench five times.

PhatPiggins

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Its not like the guy is starting for Brumbies. In the last 6 games he has started once and been on the bench five times.

True but the brumbies have an all wallaby front row so for a guy who couldn't get a contract in Europe i think he's done very well for himself.

He looks a bit light to me but he's contracted for another 3 years and has improved as the season goes on. Gl to him.

Irish-Australian

He answered it himself.

leftleg

He was born in Australia so he's more Australian Irish than Irish Australian

CatFromHue

It's a tricky one that probably only he can answer.

What is for certain is that you don't endear yourself to fans by saying that you're getting a solicitor to push a case for you in country A but that you'd "think about the best options" if country B wanted you!

Amazotheamazing

CatFromHue wrote: »

It's a tricky one that probably only he can answer.

What is for certain is that you don't endear yourself to fans by saying that you're getting a solicitor to push a case for you in country A but that you'd "think about the best options" if country B wanted you!

He's naive to answer the question tbh. He might well be unable to decide where he really feels at home, but most fans seem to love the mawkish "I'd die for this jersey" nonsense.

CatFromHue

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

He's naive to answer the question tbh. He might well be unable to decide where he really feels at home, but most fans seem to love the mawkish "I'd die for this jersey" nonsense.

Naive is a good term for the answer. When I was reading the article above all I could think of was Jermaine Pennant's comments when he "declared" for Ireland in football which went down like a lead baloon.

leeroybrown

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

He's naive to answer the question tbh. He might well be unable to decide where he really feels at home, but most fans seem to love the mawkish "I'd die for this jersey" nonsense.

To me it actually looks more like he's deliberately sending out a message to the ARU that he has a second option if they don't chose to fight his corner.

CatFromHue wrote: »

Naive is a good term for the answer. When I was reading the article above all I could think of was Jermaine Pennant's comments when he "declared" for Ireland in football which went down like a lead baloon.

In all fairness, it's a completely different situation. This isn't a guy who decides Ireland would do for a few caps, this is someone who went to school in Castleknock, played for Leinster Schools and for Ireland Schools. It's easy to end up with divided loyalties if you grow up in two different countries.

GerM

It's a moot discussion. Him being born in Ireland, growing up in Australia, spending teen years back here and playing for Irish underage and Brumbies is all besides the point.

The most important thing is that he's not good enough. He was let go by Leinster's academy, let go by Exeter and is now benching for a side that is known for generally producing the poorest props of any top tier nation. It's often mentioned that he was part of the 2007 side that won the Grand Slam. He was on the bench and that was only because he could cover tighthead (although he's primarily a loosehead). When Healy was injured, David Millard (now with Esher) was brought into the side ahead of Murphy.

I wish him all the best but just because he's on the roster at a S15 side in no way means he's good enough for consideration in the Irish side. He's 25 now and not setting the world alight still. McAllister, McGrath and Kilcoyne are all significantly younger and better prospects. Hope he gets on well and gains a cap for the Wallabies.

CIARAN_BOYLE

leftleg wrote: »

He was born in Australia so he's more Australian Irish than Irish Australian

He was born in Ireland lived here till he was soemthing like three before moving to Australia for 12 years.

Australia doesn't have the best scrum and their approach to fixing it involves trying many players. There are 12 capped international props amoung the five australian super rugby sides. This compares to Ireland which has 5 internationally capped props between our four provinces. He has a very good chance to play international rugby in Australia.

leftleg

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

leftleg wrote: »

He was born in Australia so he's more Australian Irish than Irish Australian

He was born in Ireland lived here till he was soemthing like three before moving to Australia for 12 years.

Australia doesn't have the best scrum and their approach to fixing it involves trying many players. There are 12 capped international props amoung the five australian super rugby sides. This compares to Ireland which has 5 internationally capped props between our four provinces. He has a very good chance to play international rugby in Australia.

Dunno where I got the idea that he was born in Australia and then moved to Ireland. Fair enough so.

castie

Highly confused on this.

IRB says he need to have lived in the country for 3 years to be eligible.
He lived there for 12 years previously.

That not do?

pickarooney

What's the actual wording? Is it "three years prior to" meaning the three years immediately before getting a cap?

justsomebloke

If Aus employment law is in any way like EU law this could easily be a case the forces a rule change.

Given the brumbies are only allowed 2 foreign players, something like this could easily be hampering his earning potential and given that he is actually born in Aus and holds a passport employment law may easily be on his side.

However it would be interesting to see who is really pushing this him or the Brumbies

CIARAN_BOYLE

justsomebloke wrote: »

If Aus employment law is in any way like EU law this could easily be a case the forces a rule change.

Given the brumbies are only allowed 2 foreign players, something like this could easily be hampering his earning potential and given that he is actually born in Aus and holds a passport employment law may easily be on his side.

However it would be interesting to see who is really pushing this him or the Brumbies

not born in Aus born in Ireland if he was born in Aus he would be AQ
http://www.brumbies.com.au/Team/PlayerProfile/tabid/1208/playerid/49/Default.aspx

castie wrote: »

Highly confused on this.

IRB says he need to have lived in the country for 3 years to be eligible.
He lived there for 12 years previously.

That not do?

If you leave you lose your qualification unless you have already played for them.

For example Robbie Diackis IQ but if he played for a year in England and wanted to come back he wouldn't be IQ

justsomebloke

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

not born in Aus born in Ireland if he was born in Aus he would be AQ
http://www.brumbies.com.au/Team/PlayerProfile/tabid/1208/playerid/49/Default.aspx

ah ok, another posted had said he born in Oz so I was going on that

thomond2006

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

For example Robbie Diackis IQ but if he played for a year in England and wanted to come back he wouldn't be IQ

Never knew that, makes a lot of sense.

The Aussie

Well in fairness, he will never be another Patricio Noriega for the Wallabies (Argentinian Prop who became eligible to play for the Wallabies after a few seasons at the Brumbies).

Who incidently enough has just left his coaching job for the Wallabies and signed for Racing Metro as Forwards/Prop/Scrummage(i dont know) coach

.ak

Patricio Noriega is perfectly Australian name, no?

:pac:

The Aussie

Slightly OT but thats cool, Patricio Noriegas name is as Australian as Tom Courts :pac:

castie

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

not born in Aus born in Ireland if he was born in Aus he would be AQ
http://www.brumbies.com.au/Team/PlayerProfile/tabid/1208/playerid/49/Default.aspx



If you leave you lose your qualification unless you have already played for them.

For example Robbie Diackis IQ but if he played for a year in England and wanted to come back he wouldn't be IQ

This doesnt make alot of sense to me.
What exactly are the criteria?

Looking at Rodge for example.
He was born in the states.

So if he had say gone to play for an english club before being selected for Ireland he would lose all the time he spent in Ireland and become NIQ?

Seems daft that theres not a threshold on amount of your life spent also.
i.e if youve spent 50% or more in a country you should be eligible no matter where you spent last year...is it just me?

WeeBushy

castie wrote: »

This doesnt make alot of sense to me.
What exactly are the criteria?

Looking at Rodge for example.
He was born in the states.

So if he had say gone to play for an english club before being selected for Ireland he would lose all the time he spent in Ireland and become NIQ?

Seems daft that theres not a threshold on amount of your life spent also.
i.e if youve spent 50% or more in a country you should be eligible no matter where you spent last year...is it just me?

No cuz ROG is always IQ by dint of his parents.

Diack, for example, only qualifies through residency (unlike ROG) so if he leaves that residency time becomes void.

Murphy, despite living there for quite a while doesn't qualify through parents/grand parents, so he can only become AQ through the residency rule. The problem he sees is that he has already spent over three years living there so should qualify.

Its a tough one, in the case of Murphy he does presumably consider himself Australian, has an Aus passport (I think), and has lived there for a long time so I think it would be fair to waive the rule in that case. Diack, on the other hand, only came here to become IQ so if he were to spend three years here and then up sticks but stay IQ it makes a bit of a mockery of the system.

Overall though I reckon Murphy is doing this because it would free up a foreign spot at his club, so is more likely to be kept on.

CIARAN_BOYLE

castie wrote: »

This doesnt make alot of sense to me.
What exactly are the criteria?

Looking at Rodge for example.
He was born in the states.

So if he had say gone to play for an english club before being selected for Ireland he would lose all the time he spent in Ireland and become NIQ?

Seems daft that theres not a threshold on amount of your life spent also.
i.e if youve spent 50% or more in a country you should be eligible no matter where you spent last year...is it just me?

Rodge and Heaslip are qualified through their parents

You can be qualified if your either of your parents or grandparents were born in a country.

You can be qualified if you were born in a country.

You can be qualified if you spent the last three years in a country.

castie

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Rodge and Heaslip are qualified through their parents

You can be qualified if your either of your parents or grandparents were born in a country.

You can be qualified if you were born in a country.

You can be qualified if you spent the last three years in a country.

Okay sorry didnt realise the parents rule was there as well.
Aside from that it still doesnt make sense to me that Murphy could of spent 30 years in Aus then left to go to Ireland for one year and on his return not be AQ.

CIARAN_BOYLE

castie wrote: »

Okay sorry didnt realise the parents rule was there as well.
Aside from that it still doesnt make sense to me that Murphy could of spent 30 years in Aus then left to go to Ireland for one year and on his return not be AQ.

No worries. I agree with you completly. Murphy has lived in Australia for something like a total of 14 years of his 24 year life. Thats well over half his life span.