Leyland 262 or 272?

mikefoxo

I've been toying with the idea of buying a Leyland:D They seem to be going for decent money and could be a nice little runner if you did them up right. I'm wondering which one I should go for and which would be the more reliable. Also, do both these models have "wet" brakes? That would be a major factor too

blue5000

I think they had wet brakes, I could be wrong, but as far as I know the brakes are the same discs as a super major:D:D:D

Any particular reason for leyland? If it was me I'd prefer a nuffield 10/60.

powerfarmer

As far as I recall, all blue leylands had dry brakes. they didnt get wet brakes until the yellow ones appeared in 1979/80.

mikefoxo

Why Leyland? I think they look quite nice and they make one great noise:) People seem to either think they're Gods gift or despise them with a passion!!!

iverjohnston

If its blue,its got dry brakes. If you set the up right, they are ok for light work and pottering about. Don't hook on a full 1300 gallon tanker and go haring down the road to a stop sign, especially if you are used to wet brakes and syncro gearboxes! Ones with inline pumps should start on a quarter turn of the starter. Dual clutches standard, with both a pedal and a hand clutch lever to feather in the PTO. Power steering gan get a good bit of play in them. If you get a syncro gearbox model you can go almost as fast in reverse as forward! Lift wouldnt be the best in the class by modern standards, but remember you are basically buying a late 1940's design.:D Mack in Cavan

mikefoxo

See here's where I'm confused. I'm looking at a copy of Feb 2012 "Tractor & Machinery". It has a profile of a guys fleet of Leylands. It goes through each one of them individually and has a little table with each tractor spec. This one says that his 272 HAS wet brakes, and goes into some detail about how they were so much better than the old dry ones This has left me totally confused. Now i'm wondering whether wet brakes were introduced midway through the range or what!?!?!?!?

Bitten & Hisses

mikefoxo wrote: »

See here's where I'm confused. I'm looking at a copy of Feb 2012 "Tractor & Machinery". It has a profile of a guys fleet of Leylands. It goes through each one of them individually and has a little table with each tractor spec. This one says that his 272 HAS wet brakes, and goes into some detail about how they were so much better than the old dry ones This has left me totally confused. Now i'm wondering whether wet brakes were introduced midway through the range or what!?!?!?!?

There are 2 models of blue Leyland, a 10-speed non-synchro and a 9-speed synchro. When you are sitting in a synchro, the gear levers are beside you, in a 10-speed they are on the floor between your legs.
As far as I know, the synchro models should have wet brakes. If you're going that far, maybe you should look at the yellow Leylands or Marshalls, preferably fitted with the Explorer cab, which is a much nicer place to be. There is shag all difference mechanically between a blue synchro and the last of the yellow Marshalls, but the cabs are very different.
This is a good forum:

http://leyland.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general

Manoffeeling

Bad steering, bad brakes and bad hydraulics. Engine ok and gearbox ok. Buy something else.

iverjohnston

No, the magazine is wrong. 272 syncros had dry brakes. We had one from about 1977 to about 2000. And not all syncros had the "quiet" cab, with the gear levers positioned one on each side of the seat, ours had a ordinary cab wit the 2 levers in between your legs. Traded it in to W R Shaw against a Fiat 90-90, so if you see 8146 ID , that was ours! Clutches could wear at a fast rate if you were buckraking or doing loader work. The yellow Marshells had a ZF gearbox and Axle, I believe. If you want one, buy the best you can get. Get one with working brakes, and good steering, and a good clutch and correctly working hydraulics. The country is full of examples with one or more of these things not working. Engines are the least of your worries! After growing up with Nuffield 10-60's, 384's and the 272 I would never buy a tractor with dry brakes. Buy a yellow Marshall, and if you want, you could spray it blue. Mack in Cavan

jimmyw

The blue leylands never had wet brakes only dry which needed adjustment from time to time which some owners rarely did so were never working right.

As mentioned before, there were the 262/272 both non synchro (crash) 10 forward 2 reverse and synchro 9 forward 3 reverse with the levers beside the seat.

From the late leyland 602/702/802 with the yellow/black paintwork they had wet brakes which were better and didnt need adjusting much.When marshall took over they just changed the name of those to marshall.

We used to have a blue 282 synchro with a turbo.The box is sweet as a nut with easy changes on the move.

http://www.thenuffieldandleylandtractorclub.co.uk/wp/wp-content/themes/nuffield/images/History%204.PDF

mikefoxo

I think perhaps the "spraying it blue" option might be the way to go! I just kind of liked the idea of one and the fact they're going for less than other brands on the market. Perhaps it's only a pipe dream:rolleyes:

jimmyw

http://www.donedeal.ie/find/tractors/for-sale/Ireland/leyland?source=all

I am not sure they are that cheap.Some people ask alot of dosh for rust buckets.We sold our one for 5 grand, and I remember a guy asking 11k fo a restored one.Marshalls are very hard to find here in good condition but there may be a chance up north cause they look after their machines:rolleyes:.

maxxuumman

jimmyw wrote: »

http://www.donedeal.ie/find/tractors/for-sale/Ireland/leyland?source=all

I am not sure they are that cheap.Some people ask alot of dosh for rust buckets.We sold our one for 5 grand, and I remember a guy asking 11k fo a restored one.Marshalls are very hard to find here in good condition but there may be a chance up north cause they look after their machines:rolleyes:.

Many years ago wr had a 262/272/270 and I worked with a 285 and a 2100

The 262&272 were syncros. The last number designated type of gear box and was the newer model. The 270 was the crash box older model
All had dry brakes.

Then you went up to the 6 cylinder models 285 and 2100. Both had wet brakes.
And the ones I drove were syncro.
If the syncro boxes got worn, they were easy to get stuck in gear. The selectors had to be redone. But even with worn selectors a familiar driver should have no issues.


It's a bog simple tractor to fix and maintain.
If I was to relive my childhood and get one. It would be the 285 or 2100 . They were pocket rockets. Put large tyres on her and you'll have a little dinger.

Manoffeeling

maxxuumman wrote: »

Many years ago wr had a 262/272/270 and I worked with a 285 and a 2100

The 262&272 were syncros. The last number designated type of gear box and was the newer model. The 270 was the crash box older model
All had dry brakes.

Then you went up to the 6 cylinder models 285 and 2100. Both had wet brakes.
And the ones I drove were syncro.
If the syncro boxes got worn, they were easy to get stuck in gear. The selectors had to be redone. But even with worn selectors a familiar driver should have no issues.


It's a bog simple tractor to fix and maintain.
If I was to relive my childhood and get one. It would be the 285 or 2100 . They were pocket rockets. Put large tyres on her and you'll have a little dinger.

They are designed that way for a reason:D

jimmyw

maxxuumman wrote: »

Then you went up to the 6 cylinder models 285 and 2100. Both had wet brakes.

Were they not export only models or else they were dropped when the Leyland/Marshall 602/702/802 models were launched.

EDIT Oh from this article only the 2100 models were export only.

http://www.thenuffieldandleylandtractorclub.co.uk/wp/wp-content/themes/nuffield/images/History%204.PDF

iverjohnston

The 2100 and 285 were not only for export. There were a couple round here (cavan) and despite what some people would have you believe, we are not a foreign country! Their main problem was a design fault. The engine was supported on rubber mountings, and the flexing between this and the solidly mounted gearbox caused`clutch and shaft fractures. The 285 was 4 cylinder turbo, and the 2100 was a straight six. Cannot say for sure if their brakes were oil immersed, they were however actuated by hydraulics (master and slave cylinder) as indeed were all dry brake models with the quiet cab. Mack in Cavan

jimmyw

iverjohnston wrote: »

Cannot say for sure if their brakes were oil immersed

Apparently they had wet brakes, but with the turbo and that honking great 6 cylinder I am guessing that you would need to have efficient brakes instead of the dry brakes:D

nashmach

iverjohnston wrote: »

The 2100 and 285 were not only for export. There were a couple round here (cavan) and despite what some people would have you believe, we are not a foreign country! Their main problem was a design fault. The engine was supported on rubber mountings, and the flexing between this and the solidly mounted gearbox caused`clutch and shaft fractures. The 285 was 4 cylinder turbo, and the 2100 was a straight six. Cannot say for sure if their brakes were oil immersed, they were however actuated by hydraulics (master and slave cylinder) as indeed were all dry brake models with the quiet cab. Mack in Cavan

285 and 2100 are both 6 cylinders, the 282 was a 4 cylinder turbo.

axial

Can anyone tell me if the crankshaft in a 384 leyland will fit a 272 leyland

case956tom

axial wrote: »

Can anyone tell me if the crankshaft in a 384 leyland will fit a 272 leyland

a 384 has a 38TD engine which has a shorter stroke than a 4/98,try to get a crank out of a 4/98 engine

axial

How do you time crank balancer reply to windmillway@hotmail.com

Paddydow

Hello all, just after getting a 272 syncro. Just wondering if it has a cold start on the pump?