Moors Murders

Pantsface

Worst / most evil act ever?

Should Brady be let starve himself, or let rot?

Let him rot in IMO

christmas2012

call this btards bluff and let him starve see how far he will really go,he i would say is a coward and will give up shortly..

mattjack

Isn't he being force fed at the moment.. 10 plus years or so

Pantsface

mattjack wrote: »

Isn't he being force fed at the moment.. 10 plus years or so

He is, read that twice a day they bring him down to a room in order to do so, it sounds vile - the chair he sits in is incrusted with the yellow goo they use in order to keep him alive, no frills, no fuss, sounds awful.

mattjack

Pantsface wrote: »

He is, read that twice a day they bring him down to a room in order to do so, it sounds vile - the chair he sits in is incrusted with the yellow goo they use in order to keep him alive, no frills, no fuss, sounds awful.

I read about him awhile ago, he's arguing he's sane or vice versa and wants to be allowed starve himself to death,someone tried to post him pills or something to commit suicide a few years ago.

christmas2012

why should they give frills and fuss to a evil murderer like that?i wouldnt give him 5 star treatment :pac:

mattjack

christmas2012 wrote: »

why should they give frills and fuss to a evil murderer like that?i wouldnt give him 5 star treatment :pac:

I don't think they are.

galwayrush

Bury him alive in the moors he frequented.

Pantsface

He was 27 when he was arrested, Jesus, that shocked me, so young to be so fooked up & evil

mikemac1

Good production about the whole event up on youtube, See No Evil

I forget the exact family breakdown, I think it was the brother in law who got vilified by the locals though he was never convicted of anything

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+moors+murders+joanne+froggatt&oq=the+moors+murders+joanne+frog&gs_l=youtube.3.0.33i21.2727.6704.0.7513.14.14.0.0.0.0.96.502.14.14.0...0.0.gc9pkOE5ukA

Tis good, Joanne Froggatt and Maxine Peak in it, both excellent actresses

Pantsface

mikemac1 wrote: »

Good production about the whole event up on youtube, See No Evil

I forget the exact family breakdown, I think it was the brother in law who got vilified in the locals though he was never convicted of anything

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+moors+murders+joanne+froggatt&oq=the+moors+murders+joanne+frog&gs_l=youtube.3.0.33i21.2727.6704.0.7513.14.14.0.0.0.0.96.502.14.14.0...0.0.gc9pkOE5ukA

Tis good, Joanne Froggatt and Maxine Peak in it, both excellent actresses

She was excellent

DEFTLEFTHAND

I believe the search is ongoing for the last of the missing bodies. Brady himself can't remember it seems, which is a feasible excuse when taking into account the time which has elapsed and the size of the area.

christmas2012

will have to give it a watch im watching walking dead at the moment

Biggins

For clarity:

As he is now assessed as having mental problems (there's a shocker!) technically, he's deemed not responsible for his current actions - so the government is legally responsible for his welfare more so.
More so if they like it or not, they then have to feed him until a point comes in the future that he's deemed sane and he can be moved back into a standard wing of a prison.
If he thereafter wishes to starve himself to death - that then as he would be "sane", would be his prerogative. He would be allowed do so without further stepping in by the state.

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Morally and legally, the British government has to be seen following the law (its a double-edged sword).
...But you can be fairly sure there is many in the government (besides the population) that would really like to see him hung by the balls.

christmas2012

all this cost for some evil psychopath who if he was out would cost even more in police resources trying to find this guy and not to mention all the havoc wreaked on the families of the victims..

Tipsy McSwagger

There is nothing worse than the murder of a child.

o1s1n

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

There is nothing worse than the murder of a child.

The murder of multiple children?

My name is URL

Pantsface wrote: »

Worst / most evil act ever?

Should Brady be let starve himself, or let rot?

No to all three

Yamanoto

Pantsface wrote: »

Worst / most evil act ever?

Let's just agree it was evil.

Attempting to place it somewhere on a scale would be an odd endeavour.

getzls

Pantsface wrote: »

Worst / most evil act ever?

Should Brady be let starve himself, or let rot?

Let him rot in IMO

The guy is deemed to be insane. Should we let every insane person kill them-selves?

Pantsface

getzls wrote: »

The guy is deemed to be insane. Should we let every insane person kill them-selves?

ahh sure, god love him

My name is URL

Yamanoto wrote: »

Let's just agree it was evil.

Attempting to place it somewhere on a scale would be an odd endeavour.

It'd definitely make some obscure '17 most dastardly crimes to read about on Wikipedia' list.

Pantsface

getzls wrote: »

The guy is deemed to be insane. Should we let every insane person kill them-selves?

In 1986, a long time after his scumbag actions

sgb

I don't believe in the death penalty

But the sooner he dies the better

Kamjana

He's a cunt, and i hope he dies screaming for a priest.

Pantsface

Kamjana wrote: »

He's a cunt, and i hope he dies screaming for a priest.

I doubt he will. He'll be glad when he goes, it'll end his crap life. I say keep him alive as long as possible, it sounds like hell

Ann22

I saw an interview a couple of years ago about the case. Poor little Keith Bennet's mam was interviewed, still weeping for her little boy, all these years later:(. Once a week she heads up to the moors to search with another son. I wish they could find the poor wee lad. I read a book on it, horrendous story. That witch is gone and good riddance but that evil creature Brady shouldn't have the choice over whether he lives or dies.

Pantsface

Ann22 wrote: »

I saw an interview a couple of years ago about the case. Poor little Keith Bennet's mam was interviewed, still weeping for her little boy, all these years later:(. Once a week she heads up to the moors to search with another son. I wish they could find the poor wee lad. I read a book on it, horrendous story. That witch is gone and good riddance but that evil creature Brady shouldn't have the choice over whether he lives or dies.

whats the book?

tvnutz

He has stated numerous times he wants to be let die, therefore keep him alive,don't give him what he wants, he needs to rot for as long as possible

Ann22

Pantsface wrote: »

whats the book?

I'm sorry I can't remember the name of it but it wasn't a name that gave away the story as I didn't know what it was about 'til I read the back of it. My mother in law lent it to me and can't remember where it went since I gave it back. It was an old musty book, I think a reporter covering the case at the time wrote it. I remember the bit covering Edward Evan's murder particularly upsetting, really graphic. I'm nearly sure the book was written before Pauline Reade's body was even found (1987).

forfcksake

The wiki page is very interesting, so much that I read it all http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors_murders#section_10

Smith, Hindleys brother in law, who informed the police about them died only a couple of weeks ago in the university hospital in Galway

al28283

Pantsface wrote: »

Worst / most evil act ever?

Should Brady be let starve himself, or let rot?

Let him rot in IMO

It gets to a point were evil is just maxed out, killing kids is at that point. It could be argued that Hitler was less evil as he didn't do it by his own hand.
Both definatley scum though

getzls

Pantsface wrote: »

In 1986, a long time after his scumbag actions

And that matters? He's insane.

RHarrow

I don't see what benefit is being served by keeping him alive. He's been in there long enough for the punishment to act as a deterrent. More years of what amounts to torture at a cost to the British taxpayer doesn't seem like the most worthwhile of ideas.

Deem him sane, let him kill himself and consign it to history.

Junoesque

He's lived longer than I would have allowed already.

I hope he is in pain and it's getting worse.

I can think of no good reason for anesthetics

al28283

RHarrow wrote: »

I don't see what benefit is being served by keeping him alive. He's been in there long enough for the punishment to act as a deterrent. More years of what amounts to torture at a cost to the British taxpayer doesn't seem like the most worthwhile of ideas.

Deem him sane, let him kill himself and consign it to history.

Or let him suffer to the end, as his victims did? Those are the options really.
At what stage should punishment be a dettterent and not just pure punishment?

RHarrow

al28283 wrote: »

Or let him suffer to the end, as his victims did? Those are the options really.
At what stage should punishment be a dettterent and not just pure punishment?

It's kind of pointless though at this stage, is it not? I mean, it's not bringing the victims back, it's not providing any more consolation for the families and indeed the fact that he's still alive would probably be of more concern than if he were dead at this stage.

Given that he is out of the public eye and mostly out of the public mind, they may as well just be taking taxpayer money and burning it at this point because nothing is being gained by it and I would imagine, given how long he has been in there, that the sheer repetitiveness of it all has rendered everything basically meaningless to him at this stage.

al28283

RHarrow wrote: »

It's kind of pointless though at this stage, is it not? I mean, it's not bringing the victims back, it's not providing any more consolation for the families and indeed the fact that he's still alive would probably be of more concern than if he were dead at this stage.

Given that he is out of the public eye and mostly out of the public mind, they may as well just be taking taxpayer money and burning it at this point because nothing is being gained by it and I would imagine, given how long he has been in there, that the sheer repetitiveness of it all has rendered everything basically meaningless to him at this stage.

I understa dyour points, but how do you feel about present day offenders such as Brevik? Shouldn't scum like that suffer until the very last moment? Death is too good for some people, the very fact that Brady wants to die should be reason enough to keep him alive, that is his punishment That's what he earned when he killed those kids, and he still won't give up the locations of the remaining bodies. Give those up and he can die

RHarrow

al28283 wrote: »

I understan dyour points, but how do you feel about present day offender such as Brevik? Shouldn't scum like that suffer until the very lat moment? Death is too good for some people, the very fact that Brady wants to die should be reason enough to keep him alive, that is his punishment

Well, if we're going to make people suffer physically or mentally for their crimes, why not do it properly and start using torture methods like were used previously and are still used to this day in the US?

My point is I don't think, given how repetitive days will have a tendency to gel together into a blur, that he's suffering all that much any more. I'd imagine he's more just sick of the whole thing. Should he be given an exit from that? I don't know, I can't see much point in keeping him alive simply to keep him alive though.

Brevik is an interesting guy, I'm not quite sure what to make of him really. For one, I believe he is absolutely sane and that he is involved with a movement or organisation that the officials are trying to now downplay the presence of. I don't think Brevik murdered to murder, unlike Brady and Hindley, he murdered to make a political statement, make an impact much the same as suicide bombers do.

I don't think it was anything personal with the people involved nor a thirst for blood, just a result of him getting wrapped up in something and using lives as a pawn in a game so to speak.

It's hard to say what should happen him but incarceration is definitely the answer because if he gets out, he will absolutely carry out more of such acts in a bid to further his political agenda.

starbelgrade

This thread is making me hungry.

K-9

Pantsface wrote: »

Worst / most evil act ever?

Unfortunately probably not.

Should Brady be let starve himself, or let rot?

Let him rot in IMO

I'd be very much the state should be above letting him rot but I'd be tempted to forego principle in cases like this!

RHarrow

The most evil single act in recent history is the Dnepropetrovsk maniacs/3guys1hammer murderers although there definitely is something to be said about the destruction ol' Joe Fritzl did to his own daughter's life.

carbon nanotube

Pantsface wrote: »

Worst / most evil act ever?

Should Brady be let starve himself, or let rot?

Let him rot in IMO

why are they wasting money on this fu&k..?

if i was a warden or working on maintaining him, feeding him i would most likely kill the fu.ker anyway....some tainted saline drips do the biz, or some breaking bad style 'ricen' even better.

what a waste of resources

getzls

Really, people don't get it. The murders were awful. He is now insane. I repeat, if you had a friend, and forget about their history or none. If this friend of your's was detained and deemed not responsable for their actions would you want them to starve to death? Seems yes by most.