English paper 2 help please! :(

cocopopsxx

So I made a disastrous mistake in paper 2. I was running a bit low on time and found the hamlet questions a bit hard but started doing the corruption question anyway. Wrote about 2 pages and thought halfway that it's wrong. So I started the madness question, had only written bout a page and before I knew it the time was up. I had very light crossed out the corruption answer but it's well visible. When I came home, I realized my corruption answer was actually correct. my question is will the examiner be nice and correct both and count the higher one or because I crossed it out, the corruption answer won't be marked? I have been getting nightmares and just can't get it out of my head. I was stupid to do this, I know but I was under pressure inside that hall. Please end my misery and tell me, I want to stop thinking bout it and relax for the summer :'(

amyleaving

Firstly , nobody here on the boards has seen your paper and therefore cannot answer you properly but if it is a decent examiner, once they can see the answer, they correct everything on the paper and give the highest result , you won't know until results are out so really try to stop worrying , only think about it on results day. enjoy the summer

kathryn 95

i'm sure that if you get a decent examiner then they will give you the marks for it, seeing that you only lightly crossed it out they should read it. If not then you could appeal it? But anyway relax and just enjoy the summer, it's done now there's nothing that you can do about it, it's in the past worrying won't change anything just chillax you'll be fine

Mayo_Boy

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Bears and Vodka

Mayo_Boy wrote: »

No your screwed sorry

Now, now that's not nice.

They will probably correct both attempts and count the best one.

UnholyGregor

holy jesus...... you done goofed

cocopopsxx

Thank you to those who helped. What's done is done I suppose. thanks.

Chris68

I correct maths papers and have to correct everything - even those bits that students have done their best to obliterate! Student gets the best marks. I'm sure that English is marked similarly. To put your mind at rest why not ask this question in the Teachers and Lecturers Forum, maybe someone that corrects English will respond there.

thefasteriwalk

cocopopsxx wrote: »

So I made a disastrous mistake in paper 2. I was running a bit low on time and found the hamlet questions a bit hard but started doing the corruption question anyway. Wrote about 2 pages and thought halfway that it's wrong. So I started the madness question, had only written bout a page and before I knew it the time was up. I had very light crossed out the corruption answer but it's well visible. When I came home, I realized my corruption answer was actually correct. my question is will the examiner be nice and correct both and count the higher one or because I crossed it out, the corruption answer won't be marked? I have been getting nightmares and just can't get it out of my head. I was stupid to do this, I know but I was under pressure inside that hall. Please end my misery and tell me, I want to stop thinking bout it and relax for the summer

I correct English. Your examiner will absoluely correct your corruption response, they're obliged to do so. Fear not - go enjoy your summer!

cocopopsxx

Thanks a million fasteriwalk! You have put me at ease, I can relax now, thanks very much!

Thank you chris68.

Sunny!!

thefasteriwalk wrote: »

I correct English. Your examiner will absoluely correct your corruption response, they're obliged to do so. Fear not - go enjoy your summer!

would you know if this applies to all subjects?

ChemHickey

Sunny!! wrote: »

thefasteriwalk wrote: »

I correct English. Your examiner will absoluely correct your corruption response, they're obliged to do so. Fear not - go enjoy your summer!

would you know if this applies to all subjects?

Ye, it does. I'm almost certain it does.

thefasteriwalk

Sunny!! wrote: »

would you know if this applies to all subjects?

Absolutely. Unless, of course, you've made it entirely illegible.

Sunny!!

thefasteriwalk wrote: »

Absolutely. Unless, of course, you've made it entirely illegible.

thank you! crossed out an answer that was totally right but i crossed it out very light with an x so the examiner can see it still

ChemHickey

Sunny!! wrote: »

thefasteriwalk wrote: »

Absolutely. Unless, of course, you've made it entirely illegible.

thank you! crossed out an answer that was totally right but i crossed it out very light with an x so the examiner can see it still

I did that shlyly in my Irish tape! I couldn't make out a number said so I put them both down (in letters too) and lightLy crossed out the two which I thought were wrong (the same one in figures as in letters)

Sunny!!

ChemHickey wrote: »

I did that shlyly in my Irish tape! I couldn't make out a number said so I put them both down (in letters too) and lightLy crossed out the two which I thought were wrong (the same one in figures as in letters)

i know for maths they would correct many attempts even if there crossed out but not sure if its the same with accounting

ChemHickey

Sunny!! wrote: »

i know for maths they would correct many attempts even if there crossed out but not sure if its the same with accounting

Ratios eh? I'm sure they'll give you some marks. It's more for procedure rather than the numbers. There is usually 3 steps per ratio. Ratioformula, Numbers, Answer. Each get 3 marks usually. If one in the first part is wrong, you'll lose probably only 3/4 marks maximum. If this ratio is carried down, you shouldn't lose any in the next ratio/comparison in the essay part.

Sunny!!

ChemHickey wrote: »

Ratios eh? I'm sure they'll give you some marks. It's more for procedure rather than the numbers. There is usually 3 steps per ratio. Ratioformula, Numbers, Answer. Each get 3 marks usually. If one in the first part is wrong, you'll lose probably only 3/4 marks maximum. If this ratio is carried down, you shouldn't lose any in the next ratio/comparison in the essay part.

id be happy with 3/10 need an A1 and its a bit tight!

ChemHickey

Sunny!! wrote: »

id be happy with 3/10 need an A1 and its a bit tight!

I need the a1 too! My cash flow worked out ( Forgot to put in that stupid heading for net cash inflow before management of liquid resources and financing, but i'm not sure if that harbours any marks so I hope not! )

The top half of my service firm worked out but I think i made a mistake in my profit/loss income/expenditure part so i'd be down a few marks.

Almost certain my two 60 markers were perfect/near perfect "fingers crossed"

Budgeting was great, just had a few little tricks in it, hoping not many people noticed the trick! :L I usually make stupid mistakes in it though so </3



I'm sure you got it!

Sunny!!

ChemHickey wrote: »

I need the a1 too! My cash flow worked out ( Forgot to put in that stupid heading for net cash inflow before management of liquid resources and financing, but i'm not sure if that harbours any marks so I hope not! )

The top half of my service firm worked out but I think i made a mistake in my profit/loss income/expenditure part so i'd be down a few marks.

Almost certain my two 60 markers were perfect/near perfect "fingers crossed"

Budgeting was great, just had a few little tricks in it, hoping not many people noticed the trick! :L I usually make stupid mistakes in it though so </3



I'm sure you got it!

i would be gutted if i didnt get an A1. The 60's were perfect. Always get 60/60 in reval and i love the farm/service accounts. My service was only out by 600, something small. I looked at the cash flow and there was something about the dividends i didnt like, happy i noticed the way they changed ratio. and the 80 marker i had the exact same figures as others. An A2 would not be the end of the world:)

bobjimmy

Sunny!! wrote: »

i would be gutted if i didnt get an A1. The 60's were perfect. Always get 60/60 in reval and i love the farm/service accounts. My service was only out by 600, something small. I looked at the cash flow and there was something about the dividends i didnt like, happy i noticed the way they changed ratio. and the 80 marker i had the exact same figures as others. An A2 would not be the end of the world:)

Oh ya by the way we took the wrong net profit for that question aswell

Sunny!!

bobjimmy wrote: »

Oh ya by the way we took the wrong net profit for that question aswell

theres only 1 net profit figure the 63000

bobjimmy

Sunny!! wrote: »

theres only 1 net profit figure the 63000

Okay was your ROCE 7.35% or 9.68%

Sunny!!

bobjimmy wrote: »

Okay was your ROCE 7.35% or 9.68%

mine would have been 9.68%

bobjimmy

Ya thats what i got. But it turns out were wrong by looking at the 2007Q and the marking scheme. Ive kind of calculated what i think we got. We both got that wrong and both got 2 of the ratios wrong. Its still possible for us to get around 77/100 (assuming you got the theory right.

Sunny!!

bobjimmy wrote: »

Ya thats what i got. But it turns out were wrong by looking at the 2007Q and the marking scheme. Ive kind of calculated what i think we got. We both got that wrong and both got 2 of the ratios wrong. Its still possible for us to get around 77/100 (assuming you got the theory right.

its still possible to get like 87. For calculating the roce in part b its only max 3 marks for the figure theres more marks for the writing. and worst case loosing the 10 in part a(probarly get an attempt mark). So its possible to get 87/100

bobjimmy

Im not being pessimistic here but its not. Giving that we took the wrong figure well get Dividend cover
Interest cover
ROCE
Real rate of return
the comparisons
Etc
and you got the Mrkt price/DPS and the Cash purchases wrong so its not possible to stiil get 87

Sunny!!

bobjimmy wrote: »

Im not being pessimistic here but its not. Giving that we took the wrong figure well get Dividend cover
Interest cover
ROCE
Real rate of return
the comparisons
Etc
and you got the Mrkt price/DPS and the Cash purchases wrong so its not possible to stiil get 87

i only got one ratio wrong in part A thats part (iv). I got all the rest right, went through it with my teacher thats 40/50. Theres only one net profit figure, where are you getting theres a different net profit?

bobjimmy

I was looking at the accounting aftermath thread and the answers you posted there. Your first ratio was wrong aswell. And if you look at the 2007 paper the question is practicallty identical. Its proves that we were wrong.

Sunny!!

bobjimmy wrote: »

I was looking at the accounting aftermath thread and the answers you posted there. Your first ratio was wrong aswell. And if you look at the 2007 paper the question is practicallty identical. Its proves that we were wrong.

yeah i just noticed the first ratio was wrong an additon error so i wont be loosing the full 10 might get 6.

The interest cover was right though, its net profit plus interest as interest is a negative figure so you add it. Even though interest hasnt brackets it was negative, that seems to have caught people. Shouldnt have done ratios:(

bobjimmy

Oh i get what ya mean now i never thought of it like that. Our teacher never did it with us like that. Im sorry your actually right. So if i got interest cover wrong and ROCE wrong
I should only lose like 10 marks in total.?? Does that sound right.? Your after putting me in a good humour now/

ChemHickey

Guys guys... Even though I do accounting and I know this is important, maybe ye should start PM-ing each other just to keep the thread on topic!

I'm sure ye'll get the 87/100 as they can only penalise you once for one mistake. So the incorrect figure should be counted as the correct figure for other ratios. The marking schemes online aren't the exact ones used by correctors. Those are near to the first draft, whereas the correctors use marking schemes which are constantly being changed and corrected. Don't rely too heavily on online marking schemes.

Sunny!!

bobjimmy wrote: »

Oh i get what ya mean now i never thought of it like that. Our teacher never did it with us like that. Im sorry your actually right. So if i got interest cover wrong and ROCE wrong
I should only lose like 10 marks in total.?? Does that sound right.? Your after putting me in a good humour now/

for interest cover if you wrote down the formula you'll get 4.
The written profitability will be 6/7 marks in part b in my opinion even less id say as the written part has such low marks in comparison to other years. The roce might only be 2/6 marks. You might have lost 8.

bobjimmy

Thanks it looks like im still on course for the A1 after all. It basically depends on whether or not i got my course.

Sunny!!

ChemHickey wrote: »

Guys guys... Even though I do accounting and I know this is important, maybe ye should start PM-ing each other just to keep the thread on topic!

I'm sure ye'll get the 87/100 as they can only penalise you once for one mistake. So the incorrect figure should be counted as the correct figure for other ratios. The marking schemes online aren't the exact ones used by correctors. Those are near to the first draft, whereas the correctors use marking schemes which are constantly being changed and corrected. Don't rely too heavily on online marking schemes.

I was told by a teacher which lets say is very experienced and has written books and he says the leaving cert accounting papers are corrected appalingly as some teachers dont take the incorrect figure onto the next account as correct, but i suppose thats the purpose of viewing scripts!

Sunny!!

bobjimmy wrote: »

Thanks it looks like im still on course for the A1 after all. It basically depends on whether or not i got my course.

same with me! but i suppose all we can do is wait:)

ChemHickey

Sunny!! wrote: »

I was told by a teacher which lets say is very experienced and has written books and he says the leaving cert accounting papers are corrected appalingly as some teachers dont take the incorrect figure onto the next account as correct, but i suppose thats the purpose of viewing scripts!

Ya, the chief correcting examiner lives up the road from me, and she's also my cousin's aunt :L She said they should only penalise you once. Also, she was annoyed with my teacher in her methods and she said if I came to her earlier for grinds etc I would have done ratios with her. I hope I did well enough on my service firm though :L

bobjimmy

What other questions did ye do.
I did the company, Ratios, Servive firm, and costing Q

ChemHickey

bobjimmy wrote: »

What other questions did ye do.
I did the company, Ratios, Servive firm, and costing Q

Farm Reval Service Cash flow Budgeting

Sunny!!

ChemHickey wrote: »

Ya, the chief correcting examiner lives up the road from me, and she's also my cousin's aunt :L She said they should only penalise you once. Also, she was annoyed with my teacher in her methods and she said if I came to her earlier for grinds etc I would have done ratios with her. I hope I did well enough on my service firm though :L

they should and i hope they do, but a couple of years ago a student of this teacher went from a C to an A after a recheck because of this issue, hope it doesnt happen to me!

Sunny!!

farm,reval,ratios,service,costing

bobjimmy

How did it go for ye? I expect to get full marks in my costing, Got my Service firm to balance so expect to get in or around full marks in that. But then the problems come because i expect to lose about 20 marks in my company A/C so if i lose any more than 20 in my ratios Q ill be after losing my A1. I was going to do the Cash Flow but there was the investment income and i didnt know what to do with that so i left it. Im sorry i did now.

Sunny!!

bobjimmy wrote: »

How did it go for ya? I expect to get full marks in my costing, Got my Service firm to balance so expect to get in or around full marks in that. But then the problems come because i expect to lose about 20 marks in my company A/C so if i lose any more than 20 in my ratios Q ill be after losing my A1. I was going to do the Cash Flow but there was the investment income and i didnt know what to do with that so i left it. Im sorry i did now.

im the same i would have got a nice 85 id say in the cashflow what was i thinking doing ratios! If i got 70 in ratios the A1 is gone.

bobjimmy

Ha ya i wouldnt mind but my teacher actually advised us to not do the ratios. Wish i listened to them now.

Sunny!!

bobjimmy wrote: »

Ha ya i wouldnt mind but my teacher actually advised us to not do the ratios. Wish i listened to them now.

mine did as well, at least with cashflow you get marks easily for headings etc and i probarly would have got it done quicker too. Should have worked on timing this year.

ChemHickey

Sunny!! wrote: »

mine did as well, at least with cashflow you get marks easily for headings etc and i probarly would have got it done quicker too. Should have worked on timing this year.

My cashflow worked out perfectly. I left out one heading, but I don't think any marks go for it.

I was out by something in my service but the top half worked so hopefully I'll only lose about 10 marks or so.

Budgeting, I'm hoping to get at least 70/80. If so, I'll be really happy as it's so easy to lose marks in it. Also, there was a trick in it, so I'm happy I noticed it :L

shinesun

Sorry to butt in here. What book would ye rec for accounting?
Hope ye all got what ye want.:)

Sunny!!

shinesun wrote: »

Sorry to butt in here. What book would ye rec for accounting?
Hope ye all got what ye want.:)

i would recommend just exam papers and revise wise. But if you want to buy a book the best is modern accounting

bobjimmy

I would but only if you enjoy getting things to work out. Its differnent with accounting. If you like it youll be good at it and be going for an A. Is a subject that requires constant practice. And if you do practice you will get rewarded.

ChemHickey

shinesun wrote: »

Sorry to butt in here. What book would ye rec for accounting?
Hope ye all got what ye want.:)

I'd recommend doing all the papers. Also, try to understand the principles behind the workings as it'd be easier to work them out then. I used the Christy tyrell book (I think that's his name. He's the Chief examiner in Accounting.) It was ok, bit long winded but you can't go wrong by it as he takes questions from the book for the exams.

bobjimmy

In my opinion you dont need a book. If you work from the exam papers and from mock papers you should be fine. Also Chemhickey made the most important point of all about understanding accounting. Last year i tried to learn off differnent workings which is fine if your looking for no more than a C1 which is what i got but is essential that you understand the workings and if you fully do there in no way you wont get an A1